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PZR
22nd October 2003, 19:59
Pinched from Bike Points Riding Tips written by Steve Brouggy

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Riding Techniques : Confidence NZ

Steve Brouggy reckons the average garden variety rider lacks confidence - but there's help at hand.

The Australian Oxford Dictionary defines confidence as being: firm trust; a feeling of reliance or certainty; a feeling of self reliance; boldness. Brave words indeed when it comes to riding a motorcycle don't you think?

In my experience, the average garden-variety motorcycle rider rarely has a feeling of "firm trust" or "certainty" in their riding.
Interestingly I've often seen what appears to be "boldness" on display. At least I think it was boldness, but usually it turns out to be just plain old testosterone...

So rather than asking "what is confidence?" The question really becomes: "what creates confidence?" Do you find a particular riding situation that always makes you feel uncomfortable? Is there something that always grabs your attention when riding? Have you noticed an increasing feeling of trepidation when facing certain corners?

If you answered yes to any of the above questions, then you have a confidence problem. No, I don't mean that you don't know what to say when meeting girls for the first time... I mean that there is something happening while riding that you're not really sure of.

Riding a motorcycle is like any other activity. There are certain rules that govern it and these rules must be adhered to. The big difference between riding a motorcycle and another activity, like playing golf for example, is that you place yourself in a potentially life-threatening situation just about every time you get on the bike. This means that you (the conscious you) and your body (the thing you live in) are constantly having discussions about the relative safety of what you're doing.

Reason being, your body doesn't really care what you want to do, it has one purpose and, one purpose only, to stay alive. The more you threaten it, the more it will respond.

This concept is nothing new to those that have either attended schools or have read, seen or listened to any of Keith Code's A Twist of the Wrist series of tomes. Survival reactions (SRs) have been well noted in all of them, so the real question is not so much whether they exist or what effect they have, but rather, how do you overcome them?

Some of you will be familiar with my poor attempts at humour, and my liking for simple one-sentence explanations. During the day I bring to life what I like to call the "Brouggy philosophy of life number one" - if it's not conscious, you're not in control. Meaning, if you don't know you're doing something, then how do you fix it? The reality is, you can't.

You have no control until you first gain an awareness of what is taking place. The problem is that then we'd have to admit our faults and acknowledge our errors. This seems to be particularly difficult for some people. Unfortunately we often seem to think that some things should just come 'naturally.' Meaning that you 'just do it.' Riding a motorcycle seems to be one of those activities.

All that aside, to overcome a situation that is affecting your confidence, you need to follow the process. The first step to fixing a problem is recognising it. The second step is to find the information on how to fix the problem. The third step is to apply it and get an awareness on the result.

Most human beings don't like to know that they are doing something wrong. Even the most open-minded people have limits on how self-effacing they can be. We all like to think that we are okay. That's why sometimes you need another perspective other than your own.

I never cease to be amazed how riders perceive their riding vis-a-vis my viewpoint of them: it's impossible to be objective about yourself. You can't see yourself truly as others see you and sometimes their view is more accurate than your own.

My suggestion? If you're having a problem with something that seems to be getting worse, do something about it. Fess up and tell someone that you can trust and see what they have to say. What's that..? You don't have any friends! Okay, you can call me if you really must. Who knows, together we might just discover what the problem is.

Confidence problems don't get better by themselves. If nothing changes, nothing changes. As a matter of fact to do nothing, could be considered insane. A little strong you think? Try this on for size - the definition of insanity is "To repeat the same process and expect a different result". Call me... Call me now...

Good luck with your riding.


CONFIDENCE

Motoracer
22nd October 2003, 20:19
Cheers for that, was quite insightfull:niceone:

Jackrat
22nd October 2003, 21:16
And then there is a thing called over confidence,one will find out about that shortly after splating off the front of a car,hiting a wet white line at speed,coming to a halt after leaving several layers of skin on the road,being shunted by a car from behind,all of which has happened to me over the last thirty years of riding.
Bugger confidence,lets here it for paranoid,Their all out to get us I tell ya.I have a ton of confidence in me an my bike,It,s all them other buggers I,m worryed about.
Cheers.

k14
22nd October 2003, 21:52
Couldnt have said it better myself Jackrat.

I couldnt believe it today. I was riding through a roundabout and there was a granny in her suzuki sewingmachine coming from my left. She just kept on going without looking at me. If i hadn't antipicated it, from paranoia, i would have t-boned her.

My confidence is fine. It's the confidence in all the cagers that is the problem. Their clear lack of attention towards riders pisses me off to no end.

Does this happen to everyone else?? Or is it just me?

MikeL
23rd October 2003, 07:19
Originally posted by k14


Does this happen to everyone else?? Or is it just me?

You're not alone. Behaviour at roundabouts has deteriorated particularly over the last couple of years. It's not just cagers not seeing bikes - I still have near misses when I'm in the car. I think that there's an equal spread of carelessness/inattention, arrogance/selfishness and ignorance about the give way rule. You get three different reactions when you toot and they notice you (if they notice you): the first lot look a bit embarrassed, the second lot give you the finger, and the third lot have such a look of astonishment on their face that you realize that they had no idea they were supposed to give way. It's this lot that worry me - where did these people get their licence? Off the back of a Weetbix box?
:argh:

Jackrat
23rd October 2003, 07:20
It,s not just you.
I was listening to the raidio a couple of days ago,when the DJ says he was in town an cut this biker off,the biker had the gaul to kick in his drivers door panel at the next set of lights.Well he reckons he don,t care as he is surrounded by a steel cage,so who is going to win anyway.Fuuuuuuuuuuck!!!!!!!!!.
I,m not listening to that station no more.
Remember just because people say your paranoid,Don,t mean their not out to get ya.

jrandom
23rd October 2003, 10:35
Originally posted by PZR
Steve Brouggy reckons the average garden variety rider lacks confidence - but there's help at hand.

Bugger that. My problem is that the bike doesn't have enough confidence in *me*! :D

Good article too, btw.

And yes, the look of slack-jawed surprise I've had from some drivers as I swerve around their right side with a finger on the horn through a roundabout after nearly T-boning them just has to be seen to be believed :angry2:

Coldkiwi
23rd October 2003, 11:17
Originally posted by Jackrat
It,s not just you.
I was listening to the raidio a couple of days ago,when the DJ says he was in town an cut this biker off,the biker had the gaul to kick in his drivers door panel at the next set of lights.Well he reckons he don,t care as he is surrounded by a steel cage,so who is going to win anyway.Fuuuuuuuuuuck!!!!!!!!!.
I,m not listening to that station no more.
Remember just because people say your paranoid,Don,t mean their not out to get ya.

What sodding waste-of-airspace station was that!? Go the biker! Sounds like the cage driver is a real prick... the biker should've taken his lights and mirror out too.

The real problem for that DJ is that sometime in the future, he may well be the fly and not the swat (car v 18 wheeler) and he'll have the same attitude. Poor ignorant bastard

 

Rossi Gal
23rd October 2003, 11:28
shit tell me about it!! my mate was taken out twice in one week on fu#king round-a-bouts!
good on him for kicking in the door!
:argh:

jrandom
23rd October 2003, 11:41
Originally posted by Jackrat
the biker had the gaul to kick in his drivers door panel at the next set of lights

Wot, he was pillioning an obnoxious Frenchman?

gpercivl
23rd October 2003, 13:30
Originally posted by jrandom
Wot, he was pillioning an obnoxious Frenchman?

Have to drink some Majic Potion then...:niceone:

wkid_one
23rd October 2003, 18:03
most accidents will occur when confidence > capacity.........

MadDuck
23rd October 2003, 20:42
Can i just say ...without causing outcry.

I unfortnately drive a cage from time to time... nearly took one biker out although i am ever vigilant. But when you wear black helmet, black jacket and black jeans and ride a black bike it is really tough to see in the setting sun.

Food for thought ?

Motoracer
23rd October 2003, 21:18
Did he/she have his/her lights on? If yes then there isn't much more he/she could have done as not every one is willing to wear one of them reflective vests around. If he/she didn't have the lights on, he/she would be a dumb ass and I have seen some around!! (saying that, I would like to say that I have been on a ride at 10 PM in Kaiua with a mate with a shot charging system, Ooooopss... had to blast half of the way back using my mate's headlights with him being in the front. Kind of exelerating but very silly to think of now:o).

Jackrat
23rd October 2003, 21:31
Hmmmm,I wear black jacket,helmet,jeans an ride a black bike.
It has been long proven black provides the best silhouette.
But then, thats not really the point being made,the point is really the attitude of the DJ from HAUKAKI.Besides black is beautiful.
As for your own situation,you stated you almost hit a bike,well I take it you didn,t flip it off with a smart comment,rather you gave it some thought and came to the conclusion that it was a combination of sun strike and being in the wrong place at the wrong time,I can fully understand that as it can happen to any of us,The difference is of course the attitude that comes after .
Cheers.

James Deuce
24th October 2003, 09:22
The LTSA and the Poolice have trained everyone to believe that bad things only happen to people who speed or drink and drive.

Welcome to your safe roads, citizens.

Jim2

merv
24th October 2003, 11:19
.... and what do you all think of the new "Don't worry, be happy" advert? To me the message is now worries - crash, bash, wrecked car, injured biker etc etc, but no worries. Just that calm easy going way like everyone is all high on dope with not a care in the world. We don't have to look out at intersections its real fun to crash like that.

Urban Terrorist
24th October 2003, 11:56
Hmmm.. time to stop listening to Hauraki I guess. Which DJ was it ?
Good point Jim2. The speed and drunk driving thing is an easy sell to the public I guess. Joe and Suzie Bloggs can all lump them into a group and say "oh well, THEY are the problem"as they drive to/from work in a soundproofed, airconditioned MORE FM comfort zone, preoccupied with office politics, which celeb/sports stars are bonking each other, what to have for dinner or how to get one step ahead of the Jones next door. The idea of paying attention as they point a 1500kg weapon of mass destruction down the road barely registers unless it's an immediate threat to them.

jrandom
24th October 2003, 12:02
Originally posted by merv
.... and what do you all think of the new "Don't worry, be happy" advert?

Only thing I noticed particularly was that the biker dropped the bike *before* he hit the car. WTF good would that do? IIRC that young chap featured on that SCU show a while back who rode into the side of a truck at 70kmh on a sunny day after locking the back brake and forgetting the front (d'oh) did the same thing - dropped the bike before he hit. That killed him, because he wrapped his neck around a truck wheel.

Why don't folks stay upright and use the brakes and the nice sticky rubber to reduce the impact speed? Geez. I'll take my chances up in the air, TYVM...

aff-man
24th October 2003, 12:07
Getting back to the topic at hand i find that i know my capabilities and the bike is bloody capable enough but in a suburban area (yes and they include bloody round-abouts and the people who change thier mind mid way but leave the indicator on) I ride really really defensivley untill someone does something stupid then i kinda think i have the ability and so does the bike so take this you muddy-funksters but usually my lack of confidence comes more from the fear of cops than anything else especially on the open road. I will look at the speedo going into cornersin case there is a special some-one waiting on the other side for me:argh: :argh:

aff-man
24th October 2003, 12:09
and about the add, my brother noticed that a white holden appears in most of the accidents and that was such a stunt fall from the biker. The person who got hit also looked like they were either well padded of had heaps of natural padding:D

jrandom
24th October 2003, 12:11
Originally posted by aff-man
heaps of natural padding

Works for me.

Fat bastards on small bikes represent!

:Punk:

Motoracer
24th October 2003, 12:30
Originally posted by jrandom
Why don't folks stay upright and use the brakes and the nice sticky rubber to reduce the impact speed? Geez. I'll take my chances up in the air, TYVM...

And for that reason learing stoppies can possibly save lives. Specially rolling ones will teach you a lot about your bike's limits.

Note: This is only possible ofcourse, just as long as your bike is stoppieable.:)

Jackrat
24th October 2003, 14:44
The DJ on HAURAKI???.Don,t know who he was but it was 4pm
Wednesday.Next time I see a Hauraki car an I,m in my Nissan Patrol,,,,,,,,Nah couldn,t do that aye
:roadkill: :rolleyes:

Urban Terrorist
24th October 2003, 21:41
In a Patrol ? Just give them the SMIDSY routine, then tell them it's their own fault anyway for driving something so triflingly small and unsafe as a car ;)

Sheep Dags
25th October 2003, 13:41
yea you guys know it was all stunts aye? my flatmate is mates with the guy that did all the stunts, including the bike... i think the only one he didnt do was the person being hit by the car. i reckon it's a great add :D