Switching to a CRF150R

[crfchick]

I’d really love some feedback and info on CRF150R’s (big wheel) please! What are they like to ride? Advantages and disadvantages compared to other bikes, reliability, maintenance, things to watch out, good for trail rides? etc…
I have been riding for about a year and have a CRF230 but it’s too heavy – especially when I’ve crashed off multiple times! I have read Midget’s post about getting a 150 but I don’t want a 2 stroke (I’m not aggressive enough!). I’m just under 5 foot 6. Any suggestions?
Thanks!!

[vr4king]

A kid who lives down the road from me has one and he hauls serious ass on it makes us guys look like fools

Nice bike id love to get the mrs one but damm they $$$$

[crfchick]

A kid who lives down the road from me has one and he hauls serious ass on it makes us guys look like fools

Nice bike id love to get the mrs one but damm they $$$$
Thanks for the feedback! I know - they are expensive arent they?!! Eek! I'm keeping my eyes on trademe but also considering other options (due to price!)

[B0000M]

unfortunately your options are seriously limited, its either the CRF150, or one of the 85's (CR / KX / RM / YZ / SX) to the best of my knowledge these are the only bikes in this size bracket that fit into the "serious" category

most of the girls on here seem to be going for 85s.

[L Rider]

I would say an 85 but note in your 1st post you're not wanting one.
You've said that you don't ride aggressive enough - i learnt to ride on one so was far from aggressive. They're not as evil as many pple are lead to believe.

Only options i would say are the 150 or a 2t 85. I don't know anything about the CRF150 so not much help.

[Reckless]

In saying the hereunder I haven't ridden a 150r or even tried one but a few thoughts!!!
I suppose we should look more seriously at the CRF150r Big and small wheel!!!
We've all been complaining about the lack of choice in a real bike in the short leg or short in experience bracket!
Honda may have made one for us and we still go off an buy 85's, try and mod them and put up with their less than perfect power delivery for trail riding. Or is this wrong??

Maybe if we supported this bracket others would enter into it!! Like an 85exc or a 125exc small wheel!! Pity its a bloody four stroke but in saying that I bought the heavy old CRF150F for my girl because it had the power that would be best for her even if I have to get off and lift it every time she falls off!
150R is still 18kg heavier than a 85 but 24kg lighter than the 150f. 833mm or 866mm seat height is good! Honda make good bikes??

Maybe this CRF150r deserves more attention. I've heard the gearboxes are a bit suss and do they need as much maintenance as say a 250r? Depends on the rider I suppose would you get 100+ hours outa one trail riding? I'd forgo the electric start if the rest fitted well or am I completly wrong are they really an MX bike!! I've heard they are all go or stop even for a four stroke and no good for enduro with the same frequent oil changes and cham maintenance etc???
Any other opinions to help crfchick??

Edit: Was talking to the local Honda dealer and he said MX bike all the way! 4 hour oil changes, Hi performance maintenance and MX power delivery! Apparently they go like a cut cat!
So bugger it! Still a big hole in the market!!

Still be good for you to try one out CRF chick and give us your feedback though??

[crfchick]

Thanks for your ideas guys! And for the info Reckless! You've given me a lot to think about - yeah I really want something that is reliable and good for trail rides but without the weight of the CRF230! I dont mind forgoing the electric start if it means its lighter.
I did wonder how much maintenance the 150R's require compared with the 230, and interesting point you make Reckless about the gear boxes being a bit suss - anyone else heard of problems like this?
Thanks again!

[B0000M]

the 1500r is a high strung race bike and therefore requires race maintenance, the 230 is almost a farmbike, so could get away with almost farm bike maintenance.

the 85s need to be maintained, the 150s id say would be even more maintenance intensive due to the amount of small moving parts moving really really fast.

go for a ride on an 85, theyre not as bad as everone who DOESNT have one says they are. also flywheel weights make a big difference on an 85

[SpikedPunch]

Agreed with B0000M. Not to sound like a broken record, but the kx100s another option, just throwing it out there.

[B0000M]

yea and the hundys, from what i saw though they are few and far between

[scott411]

the 150r's rev higher than a 250F, so they would need similar if not slightly more maintence, any of the 85's would be a good option, they are very light and can be detuned to take the edge out of the power band, alot of people use them for trail riding,

[crfchick]

Oooh, a "high strung race bike"? Hmmm. Smooth power or is it all or nothing? I totally love my 230 but its just the damn weight of the thing!
Are the 85's quite little though? Just from what I've heard from Midget (I know you LOVE your bike though Midget!!) I dont think a 2t would suit me.
I need to "bring out the inner mongrel" as buffstar wrote yesterday about the dead tadpole!
The only other thing I thought about was a 250 without all the mod-cons (no elec start etc) but dont think this would save on much weight???

[vr4king]

yeah they are lighter but as i have found out not suited to short inseams and they are alot harder to kick over then the ol 2ts,I dont think a 250f is the answer here

do KTM make a 125 enduro 2t?

[Reckless]

do KTM make a 125 enduro 2t?

Yes they do 125exc but its got a 985mm seat height 60mm taller than my 200exc at 925mm?? Far to tall for 99% of the people looking in this bracket!

[courts]

yeah they are lighter but as i have found out not suited to short inseams and they are alot harder to kick over then the ol 2ts,I dont think a 250f is the answer here

do KTM make a 125 enduro 2t?

Gasgas make ec125 NOOBI has one.and tm make one too i think....

[Reckless]

Gasgas make ec125 NOOBI has one.and tm make one too i think....

yeh mate but are they little like the 85's or the 150r, 150f, 230f thats the catch!

There's a whole bunch of Ladies, teenagers, upgraders from the 150F or 230F tt100 etc that need a real Enduro bike but simply don't fit any other bikes!
My daughter will be here soon so I suppose I'll be bastardising a KX85 or a CR85 like everyone else.
Been thread after thread on this someones gonna make a killing if they actually ever make one!!

PS I wonder if a CRF230 engine would go into a crf150R chassis? Now there's an idea. expensive but!!!

[vr4king]

Yeah was thinking about the 125 enduro simply for the weight issue im sure it wouldnt be to hard to lower the 125 and the maintenence will be eaiser on the pocket than the 150r

[scott411]

there is the KLX140 which is somewhere close to what you talk about,

still electric start, but motor is lower tune than 150r, so no maintence issue, suspension is better than 150F or DRZ/TTR125,s not quite at the 85cc mx bike tho,

[courts]

ttr125 yamaha leccy start but thats probably too small and big displacement drop. reckon 150r is the way to go if you dont mind doing a little work on ya bikes. my wife had a ttr230 and had the same problem when dropping the bike a bit. if i was shopping again for her id get her a 150r (if i could afford it) or 150f just for size -she's5'6".
Being able to pick up and manhandle your bike when required is a huge advantage.

[Midget200]

there is the KLX140 which is somewhere close to what you talk about,

still electric start, but motor is lower tune than 150r, so no maintence issue, suspension is better than 150F or DRZ/TTR125,s not quite at the 85cc mx bike tho,

Yeah I have to chip in here! I had a KLX140 before the CRF250! It's not got a lot of power. I rode the CRF230 and found them quite alike, although the CRF had a little more grunt!

Yeah the 85, cool bike! Pity you're not up here! I've put a flywheel on it and getting use to the kick! Come on crfchick, try a 2 stroke. You get use to the power. You're brave enough to be on a dirt bike, you can get aggressive!

I've heard the 150 is like a race bike and is really fast, but needs a lot of maintenance! Sounds like you'd be better off with a 125. They're light and although height will be a problem, get it lowered! You're tall, you're lucky!

[vr4king]

Yeah I have to chip in here! I had a KLX140 before the CRF250! It's not got a lot of power. I rode the CRF230 and found them quite alike, although the CRF had a little more grunt!

Yeah the 85, cool bike! Pity you're not up here! I've put a flywheel on it and getting use to the kick! Come on crfchick, try a 2 stroke. You get use to the power. You're brave enough to be on a dirt bike, you can get aggressive!

I've heard the 150 is like a race bike and is really fast, but needs a lot of maintenance! Sounds like you'd be better off with a 125. They're light and although height will be a problem, get it lowered! You're tall, you're lucky!

Off topic here you went from a crf250 to an 85?..........Can i ask why?

[Midget200]

Off topic here you went from a crf250 to an 85?..........Can i ask why?

Yeah the CRF250 was just too heavy, it was 115 kilos. The 85 is 65, I think. I thought the kick start would be a pain, but it's fine! I've put a flywheel weight on the bike to give it more bottom end! Can't really tell the difference, but other people can. I'm getting a FMF muffler and pipe, which is meant to smooth out the power and give more bottom end! I'm only 5 foot half an inch so there's no perfect bike for me.

[B0000M]

same reason my mrs did.

shes now got a CR85 with pipe, muffler & flywheel weight. for the brief time before getting pregnant that she rode it she loved it, and is very keen to get back on it when she 'recovers'

[IIIRII]

Noobie rode a xr 100 then a cfr150 then the gg 125
The gg is a pretty tall bike, I would think too tall for anyone shorter than him , when we first got it , it was too tall for him but his legs have gotten longer ....
Only other option I considered for him was the kdx200 which IMHO would have been a step backwards

[vr4king]

Yeah the CRF250 was just too heavy, it was 115 kilos. The 85 is 65, I think. I thought the kick start would be a pain, but it's fine! I've put a flywheel weight on the bike to give it more bottom end! Can't really tell the difference, but other people can. I'm getting a FMF muffler and pipe, which is meant to smooth out the power and give more bottom end! I'm only 5 foot half an inch so there's no perfect bike for me.


Fair enough then
Weight was the only reason i didnt get an X too and i did notice a huge diff between the X and the R

[tommorth]

PS I wonder if a CRF230 engine would go into a crf150R chassis? Now there's an idea. expensive but!!!

pretty sure it fits in the cr80 chassis have seen a couple for sale on trademe with the xr200 donk .If you did the work your self would be a resonably cheap build

[cheese]

I think that going to a 125 is a terrible idea. Too snappy. 85's are still snappy, but smaller frame which gives more confidence.

If you're happy with the expense of a 150 and the maintenance, I'd go for it.

If you are tempted to a get a 85, get one with a power valve. I think that the Kawa does and the Suzi does? I think to upgrade it to a 100cc, you just need a new barrel???

2 strokes are not scary bikes with massive "power bands" (I hate that term). Try one before you rule it out. You will save alot of money.

[B0000M]

where can i buy a stronger power band? and do they make them for cr 250s? :laugh::laugh:

[tommorth]

where can i buy a stronger power band? and do they make them for cr 250s? :laugh::laugh:

go to mitre ten buy all of there bungy cords attatch one end to bike stretch on to tree .......

[noobi]

go to mitre ten buy all of there bungy cords attatch one end to bike stretch on to tree .......

no, thats what happens when you close the throttle on a four stroke :blink:


I think that going to a 125 is a terrible idea. Too snappy.

you have obviously never ridden my bike. its about as sedate as a enduro 125 can be there is NO noticeable powerband, no on/off switch power
also, its much smaller than the ktm seat hight wise. im 5' 7'' with boots, and can put both feet on the ground comfortably. also theres lots of seat to cut out if you wanted more room. and i think koubalink? make lowering links for them

[crfchick]

Thanks guys!! Wow! No wonder I was dreaming about riding 2 strokes all night - you've really got me thinking!
Still leaning towards the idea of a 150R though...but I should ride a 2t before I rule them out huh?
How much more maintenance are we talking with a 150R, more frequent oil changes and what else? And how much maintenance does a 85 2t need in comparison please?

[crfchick]

Yeah I have to chip in here! I had a KLX140 before the CRF250! It's not got a lot of power. I rode the CRF230 and found them quite alike, although the CRF had a little more grunt!

Yeah the 85, cool bike! Pity you're not up here! I've put a flywheel on it and getting use to the kick! Come on crfchick, try a 2 stroke. You get use to the power. You're brave enough to be on a dirt bike, you can get aggressive!

I've heard the 150 is like a race bike and is really fast, but needs a lot of maintenance! Sounds like you'd be better off with a 125. They're light and although height will be a problem, get it lowered! You're tall, you're lucky!
I wish I was up your way too Midget! I've heard so much about your bike! I'm tempted to come up to the Sandpit once you've got your new muffler and pipe and check it out, hehe!
Does anyone in Welly ride a "tamed down" KX85 or similar?

[Midget200]

I wish I was up your way too Midget! I've heard so much about your bike! I'm tempted to come up to the Sandpit once you've got your new muffler and pipe and check it out, hehe!
Does anyone in Welly ride a "tamed down" KX85 or similar?

I'd go into Kawasaki down there and see if you can have a sit, or even a ride of one! Of course I'm all for them now. The weight is absolutely amazing. I have much more confidence to ride the blues, and even the reds! The oil change was easy peasy! The filter is so tiny, it's easy as well, compared to the 250. In my box of goodies with the bike I got all the parts for an entire rebuild at 100 hours. It's heaps cheaper than my old bike to do pistons, etc.

I'm doing the oil every 8 hours and filter every ride, well nearly every ride! That's all, no other maintenance!

[crfchick]

I'd go into Kawasaki down there and see if you can have a sit, or even a ride of one! Of course I'm all for them now. The weight is absolutely amazing. I have much more confidence to ride the blues, and even the reds! The oil change was easy peasy! The filter is so tiny, it's easy as well, compared to the 250. In my box of goodies with the bike I got all the parts for an entire rebuild at 100 hours. It's heaps cheaper than my old bike to do pistons, etc.

I'm doing the oil every 8 hours and filter every ride, well nearly every ride! That's all, no other maintenance!
Filter every ride?! Wow! I guess thats not so bad though maintenance wise

[B0000M]

Filter every ride?! Wow! I guess thats not so bad though maintenance wise

air filter

there is no oil filter.

[Reckless]

Filter every ride?! Wow! I guess thats not so bad though maintenance wise


air filter

there is no oil filter.

and she means clean it not replace it!
Just means a Kero wash, then a dynamo wash, let it dry and re filter oil it!

[Midget200]

and she means clean it not replace it!
Just means a Kero wash, then a dynamo wash, let it dry and re filter oil it!

Geez you guys, CRF Chick doesn't think I'm buying AIR, AIR, AIR filters all the time! She knows all about air filters, oil changes and oil filters!!!! We just need to get our heads around how to make them go faster!!!! Then maybe we'll be ready to find out where the petrol goes in!!!!!!

[clmintie]

Geez you guys, CRF Chick doesn't think I'm buying AIR, AIR, AIR filters all the time! She knows all about air filters, oil changes and oil filters!!!! We just need to get our heads around how to make them go faster!!!! Then maybe we'll be ready to find out where the petrol goes in!!!!!!


I thinlk you already know how to put petrol in your bikes.....:devil2:


Caption for pic below, said in best David Attenborough voice....


Watch as the female nourishes her young..............

[vr4king]

What is new 85 worth these days?

[Reckless]

Geez you guys, CRF Chick doesn't think I'm buying AIR, AIR, AIR filters all the time! She knows all about air filters, oil changes and oil filters!!!! We just need to get our heads around how to make them go faster!!!! Then maybe we'll be ready to find out where the petrol goes in!!!!!!

I think an apology is in order!
Sorry I didn't mean to inadvertently make out you didn't know what you where doing!!:love:

[crfchick]

No worries! I really appreciate all the advise you guys have!
Yep, us girls surprise even ourselves sometimes don't we Midget, with our oil and filter changing skills etc!

[crfchick]

p.s love the photo!!

[scott411]

What is new 85 worth these days?

new 2010 KX85 Big wheel is $6299

09 RM85 Big Wheel is $5795

both come with spares kit that includes full piston kits,

[crfchick]

new 2010 KX85 Big wheel is $6299

09 RM85 Big Wheel is $5795

both come with spares kit that includes full piston kits,
How do these prices compare with a new 150R just out of curiosity? Thanks!

[inlinefour]

I’d really love some feedback and info on CRF150R’s (big wheel) please! What are they like to ride? Advantages and disadvantages compared to other bikes, reliability, maintenance, things to watch out, good for trail rides? etc…
I have been riding for about a year and have a CRF230 but it’s too heavy – especially when I’ve crashed off multiple times! I have read Midget’s post about getting a 150 but I don’t want a 2 stroke (I’m not aggressive enough!). I’m just under 5 foot 6. Any suggestions?
Thanks!!

Anything with small wheels cannot be lent over, like a real motorcycle. Hence if your riding a crappy bike with crappy little wheels, your not riding or even learning how to ride a real motorcycle. Scoots etc have a limit on how far you can lean it over, where as a motorcycle with the larger wheels will lean much further, adding safety, control, more speed and enjoyment to your riding experience. Ive ridden a scoot with little wheels many a time and the only one I particularly liked was the Mrs's street magic. However when she made me promise to stop doing stoppies, it just became another rubbish scoot to me and I went back to riding a real motorcycle. :laugh:

[scott411]

How do these prices compare with a new 150R just out of curiosity? Thanks!

according to their website they are $9500 for a big wheel,

[B0000M]

Anything with small wheels cannot be lent over, like a real motorcycle. Hence if your riding a crappy bike with crappy little wheels, your not riding or even learning how to ride a real motorcycle. Scoots etc have a limit on how far you can lean it over, where as a motorcycle with the larger wheels will lean much further, adding safety, control, more speed and enjoyment to your riding experience. Ive ridden a scoot with little wheels many a time and the only one I particularly liked was the Mrs's street magic. However when she made me promise to stop doing stoppies, it just became another rubbish scoot to me and I went back to riding a real motorcycle. :laugh:

lol

this one takes the cake! its even less relevant than ever before.

well done.

[Sammikins]

Anything with small wheels cannot be lent over, like a real motorcycle. Hence if your riding a crappy bike with crappy little wheels, your not riding or even learning how to ride a real motorcycle. Scoots etc have a limit on how far you can lean it over, where as a motorcycle with the larger wheels will lean much further, adding safety, control, more speed and enjoyment to your riding experience. Ive ridden a scoot with little wheels many a time and the only one I particularly liked was the Mrs's street magic. However when she made me promise to stop doing stoppies, it just became another rubbish scoot to me and I went back to riding a real motorcycle. :laugh:

Unbelievable... :mellow:


:no:

[B0000M]

Unbelievable... :mellow:


:no:

i even issued some big bad 'rep' lol

[Midget200]

I thinlk you already know how to put petrol in your bikes.....:devil2:


Caption for pic below, said in best David Attenborough voice....


Watch as the female nourishes her young..............

Ah it's a lovely thing to watch, tender and loving, my baby! Can't believe you dug that one out CL MINTIE! Thanks for that! Couldn't be more apt!

[Midget200]

Anything with small wheels cannot be lent over, like a real motorcycle. Hence if your riding a crappy bike with crappy little wheels, your not riding or even learning how to ride a real motorcycle. Scoots etc have a limit on how far you can lean it over, where as a motorcycle with the larger wheels will lean much further, adding safety, control, more speed and enjoyment to your riding experience. Ive ridden a scoot with little wheels many a time and the only one I particularly liked was the Mrs's street magic. However when she made me promise to stop doing stoppies, it just became another rubbish scoot to me and I went back to riding a real motorcycle. :laugh:

What the F...!!! Geez man what planet are you on! I think a few of us girls on 'crappy bikes with crappy little wheels' could whip your ass! Maybe you should head out to Woodhill one Wednesday and see if we lean over at all! Un fu..... believable!!!! Get a life!!!

[Midget200]

I think an apology is in order!
Sorry I didn't mean to inadvertently make out you didn't know what you where doing!!:love:

That's okay Reckless I may get over it some time in the future!! Boo hoo! To be honest I don't know what I'm doing most of the time!!! :2guns:

[B0000M]

according to their website they are $9500 for a big wheel,

JESUS!! isnt a brand new 125 less than that?

[scott411]

JESUS!! isnt a brand new 125 less than that?

yes a brand new RM125 is $8995,

[krad_nz]

Pretty sure KTM do a 105 XC? Don't know if they're available in NZ though.

KTM105 (http://www.moto123.com/motorcycles-specs/KTM/2009,105%20XC,.spy)

68kg, 900mm seat height though.

[Reckless]

Pretty sure KTM do a 105 XC? Don't know if they're available in NZ though.

KTM105 (http://www.moto123.com/motorcycles-specs/KTM/2009,105%20XC,.spy)

68kg, 900mm seat height though.

And what do I find when I go looking for a review to see where the Xc fits into things (ie more enduro or MX).
A bloody 09 Kawasaki KX100???

So maybe the bikes to fit the hole we are always talking about are out there???
And I have to apologise for all my quips at the manufacturers and get into our guys instead!!

Scott tell us if the KX100 is the berries over the KX85 for trail riding and for our girls etc!!!!
Jeepers midget is going to be pissed if the perfect for her is manufactured but no one stocks it LOL!!!

One review here http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-reviews/ktm/2009-ktm-105-xc-ar74868.html they do test the 105 in a enduro environment! but no time at the mo to delve any further!! Good find Krad!

[SpikedPunch]

And what do I find when I go looking for a review to see where the Xc fits into things (ie enduro or MX).
A bloody 09 Kawasaki KX100???

So maybe the bikes to fit the hole we are always talking about are out there???
And I have to apologise for all my quips at the manufacturers and get into our guys instead!!

Scott tell us if the KX100 is the berries over the KX85 for trail riding and for our girls etc!!!!
Jeepers midget is going to be pissed if the perfect for her is manufactured but no one stocks it LOL!!!

One review here http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-reviews/ktm/2009-ktm-105-xc-ar74868.html they do test the 105 in a enduro environment! but no time at the mo to delve any further!! Good find Krad!

You can get 100s in NZ, just not new ones. I have been known to hassle certain kawasaki dealers about this but it's not been fruitful so far!!!:innocent: If we could get new KX 100s, I would probably have saved up for one instead of my current, which lived in a garage for about a year before I got it...New bikes for 'little people' are so much cheaper. (I'm looking at the positive side of being 'fun sized' :p) The american girls who are midgety by and large rate the kx100s, quite a few of them later switch to the ktm 105s, supposed better suspension or whatnot, but I'm certainly not an expert on that! Anyway I like my 100, it's cool :)

Except when it dies in the middle of two man boo hoo hoo :crybaby:

[cheese]

Off topic, but is your bike going better now? What was the issue?

[Ktmboy]

And what do I find when I go looking for a review to see where the Xc fits into things (ie more enduro or MX).
A bloody 09 Kawasaki KX100???

So maybe the bikes to fit the hole we are always talking about are out there???
And I have to apologise for all my quips at the manufacturers and get into our guys instead!!

Scott tell us if the KX100 is the berries over the KX85 for trail riding and for our girls etc!!!!
Jeepers midget is going to be pissed if the perfect for her is manufactured but no one stocks it LOL!!!

One review here http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-reviews/ktm/2009-ktm-105-xc-ar74868.html they do test the 105 in a enduro environment! but no time at the mo to delve any further!! Good find Krad!

Yep. On the money there!!

[SpikedPunch]

Off topic, but is your bike going better now? What was the issue?

TBH we haven't really looked at it that much, shameful yes, but the tow vehicle committed hari kiri the same day, and without that we can't go riding anyway. Basically it bites the big one and is gonna cost a whole lot of Gs whatever we do which really really sucks! I'm terrible because every time Krad suggests we fix it (my bike) I suggest we go see a movie or go to lunch or anything other than work on my bike because it's been so often lately it drives me mental when it used to be fun/interesting! Tho I thought I might try giving it a whack the other night and then remembered I have no idea how to work a multimeter without killing myself to death. Bike is sitting all conveniently in bits in the kitchen waiting for krad to guide me thru it since electrical things aren't my strong point (Hi krad!-guess what we're doing this weekend! :innocent:)
I can empathise with you now cheesey, You probably head out more than me these days, no riding for ages.....:crybaby:

[cheese]

Ooh thats a big claim! I ride fuck all!! LOL Between China, work, family, sprained wrists (got 1-2 more physio appointments) and mangled fingers, riding has been a pretty low priority this year.

I think that we should all have another NAR meeting and fix your bike!!

[clmintie]

I think that we should all have another NAR meeting and fix your bike!!

That sounds like a good idea, I'll offer my services as bike transporter guy to get it there...... With the combined KB knowledge available we should be able to at least get the spark plug in the right way round.......:laugh:

[scott411]

Scott tell us if the KX100 is the berries over the KX85 for trail riding and for our girls etc!!!!



the KX100 does have a bit more torque than a 85, basically it is the 85cc big wheel with a bigger piston, you can change 85 over if you really want, there is not that many parts that are different, the KTM105 is pretty similar, i think KTM even sell and upgrade kit for the 85cc,

i think a KX85 with a flywheel weight would be pretty close IMO,

kawasaki has never brought in large amounts of KX100's, so they are not that comman, Suzuki brought in a shipment of 04 RM100, which are KX100's with yellow plastics that were made during 04-06 when kawasaki and suzuki were sharing models, there are a few of these around, but they are pretty sort after and i have not seen one second hand for a while,

[Midget200]

TBH we haven't really looked at it that much, shameful yes, but the tow vehicle committed hari kiri the same day, and without that we can't go riding anyway. Basically it bites the big one and is gonna cost a whole lot of Gs whatever we do which really really sucks! I'm terrible because every time Krad suggests we fix it (my bike) I suggest we go see a movie or go to lunch or anything other than work on my bike because it's been so often lately it drives me mental when it used to be fun/interesting! Tho I thought I might try giving it a whack the other night and then remembered I have no idea how to work a multimeter without killing myself to death. Bike is sitting all conveniently in bits in the kitchen waiting for krad to guide me thru it since electrical things aren't my strong point (Hi krad!-guess what we're doing this weekend! :innocent:)
I can empathise with you now cheesey, You probably head out more than me these days, no riding for ages.....:crybaby:

Geez Spiked Punch you were going so well, why don't you bite the bullet and take it into Spectrum and get it looked at! I know it's a cost but isn't it worth it! You want to get it ready for the summer season with all the trail rides. An unreliable bike takes all the fun away! You were so keen! If you don't want to take it in and get fixed you've got these great KB'ers keen to help!

[barty5]

Ooh thats a big claim! I ride fuck all!! LOL Between China, work, family, sprained wrists (got 1-2 more physio appointments) and mangled fingers, riding has been a pretty low priority this year.

I think that we should all have another NAR meeting and fix your bike!!

Fine by me when ever

[oldskool]

Fine by me when ever
cool. my bike is due for a new set of rings. I live close to spikey so could bring both over.

[Reckless]

the KX100 does have a bit more torque than a 85, basically it is the 85cc big wheel with a bigger piston, you can change 85 over if you really want, there is not that many parts that are different, the KTM105 is pretty similar, i think KTM even sell and upgrade kit for the 85cc,

i think a KX85 with a flywheel weight would be pretty close IMO,

kawasaki has never brought in large amounts of KX100's, so they are not that comman, Suzuki brought in a shipment of 04 RM100, which are KX100's with yellow plastics that were made during 04-06 when kawasaki and suzuki were sharing models, there are a few of these around, but they are pretty sort after and i have not seen one second hand for a while,

OK so a KX85 weighted, is similar to a KX100 so from that a I take it the KX100 with a fly wheel weight would fit the bill peeeerfectly as a trail bike? Shit you could even prefit it in your shop and charge the extra $100!
So why don't you get a few in! The market is def there if KB is anything to go by!!!!
Steve from Triple X imported 125exc's off his own bat and now Ktm are importing them in the range. I must talk to him about the 105??
But from what I can judge the opportunity is there for you Scott "first in first served" jeepers you've already admitted the old Rm100 is in high demand??
Or are we going to have to go overseas ourselves and cop it from KB for importing them?? LOL!!! poor old Krasher never would have known what he was starting with that thread!!!
Do it!!! LOL!!!

[barty5]

cool. my bike is due for a new set of rings. I live close to spikey so could bring both over.


could work on next friday if anyone is keen?????????????

[oldskool]

could work on next friday if anyone is keen?????????????
Isn't that 2man weekend? Might be cutting it a bit fine for me if I find I need another part.

[barty5]

Isn't that 2man weekend? Might be cutting it a bit fine for me if I find I need another part.

good point i have the kids the following week but sure we could work something long as some one was here before 5:30 so i could shoot over and pick them up.

[Sammikins]

good point i have the kids the following week but sure we could work something long as some one was here before 5:30 so i could shoot over and pick them up.

Done. :sunny:

[SpikedPunch]

Aw, you guys...This is why I love the dirty division :love::sunny:

P.s 100s on tardme:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-217180438.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-221470836.htm

[scott411]

OK so a KX85 weighted, is similar to a KX100 so from that a I take it the KX100 with a fly wheel weight would fit the bill peeeerfectly as a trail bike? Shit you could even prefit it in your shop and charge the extra $100!


turth is i have never had a firm offer to get one, if someone really wanted a new one i would get one, but they would be a touch dearer than a 85 big wheel,

when they are brought in they never sell that well for some reason, Suzuki had to special off all the RM100's when they had them, KX500's were the same, the second hand market was always great for them, but they never sold that well brand new, they sold 2-3 of them a year, except the last year when they were going to be discountued and they did a big push and an indent order, they sold 10 or 12 that year (04), still not that many for the whoel country

[B0000M]

i would suggest the reason the 100s never sold well new is that most 85s are bought new to be mx race bikes, and nowhere that im aware of has a mx race class suitable for 100cc bikes.

without people buying them new, there are few to buy 2nd hand


could be entirely wrong though.

[scott411]

i would suggest the reason the 100s never sold well new is that most 85s are bought new to be mx race bikes, and nowhere that im aware of has a mx race class suitable for 100cc bikes.

without people buying them new, there are few to buy 2nd hand


could be entirely wrong though.

your 100% right i think, there was no race class so no sales for them,

[crfchick]

Aw, you guys...This is why I love the dirty division :love::sunny:

P.s 100s on tardme:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-217180438.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-221470836.htm
Thanks for those Trade me listings Spiked Punch! Oooh I quite like the look of the Suzuki...but I'm still not sold on the 2 strokes :mellow:

[Reckless]

turth is i have never had a firm offer to get one, if someone really wanted a new one i would get one, but they would be a touch dearer than a 85 big wheel,

when they are brought in they never sell that well for some reason, Suzuki had to special off all the RM100's when they had them, KX500's were the same, the second hand market was always great for them, but they never sold that well brand new, they sold 2-3 of them a year, except the last year when they were going to be discountued and they did a big push and an indent order, they sold 10 or 12 that year (04), still not that many for the whoel country

Can't blame you for not bringing them in if there is no demand, There's thread after thread here looking for something a bit more trail based. I dunno the 100 seems a better base for that than the 85??
Ah well you know your industry best, I'm not gonna tell you how to suck eggs!
When my daughter gets a bit better in her CRf150F and starts needing a better suspended bike I'll give you a call! Unless they start bringing in 105 Xc's, but they'd be expensive I suppose. Doesn't sound like I'd have any trouble selling it after either!

[B0000M]

Thanks for those Trade me listings Spiked Punch! Oooh I quite like the look of the Suzuki...but I'm still not sold on the 2 strokes :mellow:

ride one for a day an u will be

[inlinefour]

What the F...!!! Geez man what planet are you on! I think a few of us girls on 'crappy bikes with crappy little wheels' could whip your ass! Maybe you should head out to Woodhill one Wednesday and see if we lean over at all! Un fu..... believable!!!! Get a life!!!

Obviously you dont know your arse from your elbow and when I rode I would have happily come out riding, as I allways did. I guess you enjoy doing the groupie ass wipping. I think you should pull your foot out of your mouth and engage the brain.
:blink:

[inlinefour]

Unbelievable... :mellow:


:no:


I wouldnt expect anything different from someone who idolises a child molester, drug addict and self harmer in their sig. Are you as huge a drop kick as he was also? :laugh:

[inlinefour]

lol

this one takes the cake! its even less relevant than ever before.

well done.

Your one of the irritating morons who thinks they know it all and will resort to shitty remarks with negative rep, pull your thumb out of your mouth boy and engage your brain. I had 15 motorcycles at the time of my accident, including the MX bike I was riding at the time. If you dont understand what is written/typed, the chance is that those who fall into that category are dumbarses and it would appear that there are several here on this thread. :jerry:

[B0000M]

mate, i dont think i know it all. but i do know that in this thread, and in the off road section of the kb forum, we arent talking about scooters and how far you can lean a bike over.

going by your profile list of bikes, you appear to me to be yet another road biker who randomly sees a topic on the main page they think is road related, and then comes in and makes a totally irrelevant post which has absoloutely nothing to do with whats going on in the thread.
more so the fact that it may even be possible that you CAN lean the small bike over MORE than the bigger bike due to reduced width. which would make you wrong even if you were saying a relevant point- which your not.
i cant be arsed right now going out to the shed to measure which size bike will lean over further though.

[inlinefour]

mate, i dont think i know it all. but i do know that in this thread, and in the off road section of the kb forum, we arent talking about scooters and how far you can lean a bike over.

going by your profile list of bikes, you appear to me to be yet another road biker who randomly sees a topic on the main page they think is road related, and then comes in and makes a totally irrelevant post which has absoloutely nothing to do with whats going on in the thread.
more so the fact that it may even be possible that you CAN lean the small bike over MORE than the bigger bike due to reduced width. which would make you wrong even if you were saying a relevant point- which your not.
i cant be arsed right now going out to the shed to measure which size bike will lean over further though.

Dude, you lot just assume pretty much it all from other peoples' posts/profiles and Im guessing that this wouldnt be the first time and sure as shit wont be your last that you got it totally wrong, yet made an utter arsewipe of yourself online. Ive spent most of my time on a motorcycle riding a road legal enduro bike and there usually was a 2-stroke MX bike, at least, in the garage. Im also one of the riders who grew up learning to ride with a 2-stroke road bike, with an equally if not more enjoyable powerband.
So your telling me you lot spit the dummy everytime someone who owns a road/sportsbike posts something you dont like, or you have decided in your pea brains that they have made an "irrelevant post"? That would have to make you the KiwiBiker dirt dickhead division aye.
But just to prove my point and show your pea brain that you assume far too much from another person's post, I will reword myself so the dopey dipstick division can understand and I'll type slow so you can keep up. I mentioned the size of the bike because it related to the size of the wheel. Many bikers, like myself, will call anything with small wheels a scooter. This is irrelevant of if its a dirt bike or a vespa, or anything in between. You mention the width of a bike, Im not sure why as it has no relevance to my post at all. When mentioned about a bigger bike having more control, it was because they have bigger/wider tyres, which can keep bike planted much better than any bike with smaller wheels. Its the same concept as how a cage with its 4 wheels (think high preformance 4WDs if your pea brain is lagging behind) will allways be better planted to the ground, as well as have better traction and handling. Thats a simple fact of life, ever wonder why they dont have mini-bike supercross with the huge jumps? Hopefully you'll realise like everyone else, it would be too friggin dangerous. So hopefully you'll have a better idea of what Im on about now and I apologise for crediting you with enough intellegance to understand what I had previously posted. Maybe here you need a subdivision and call yourself Dopey the dipstick from dirt division? As for the dumbarse who just typed "HUH??!" on my red rep, you know who you are. Im surprised you can tie your own shoe laces when you get dressed, or do you need some help? :buggerd::Pokey:

[scott411]

i disagree with your statement that smaller wheels make a dirtbike more difficult to lean over, when we are talking about going down in weight of the bikes as we are here the smaller wheeled 85cc or 150f will be much easier to handle.

i can lay a 85cc mx bike further over than a 450 mx bike, mainley due to low weight, bigger wheels have some other advantages on a dirtbike but cornering is not one of them,

[Reckless]

Agreed Scott,

He's probably comparing a ZX10 to a scooter as referred to in his post, not a big wheel compared to a small wheel which only has in inch or so difference but same chassis and tyre width. I take that assumption from this statement Anything with small wheels cannot be lent over, like a real motorcycle he doesn't seem to think a cr85 etc is a real MX bike!! Yeh right tui!!! He needed to go to the junior MX champs and see the buggers go on those! Then he goes on in the last post about smaller bikes having smaller width tyres etc but if he knew what the heck he was talking about, the bikes we where on about ie Cr85 CRF150F and Ktm105xc have same/similar width tyres as a full size 125 or 250! Shit my 200 runs 120's from factory same width as a 450. We where not comparing a mini to a full size bike we where comparing a big wheel to a small wheel in the same range DUH!!! But no doubt he'll throw some more abuse at the above as well!

Then he resorts to all sorts of crap to show his real character!
Here's a few cut and paste's for a laugh!!

Obviously you don't know your arse from your elbow
groupie ass whipping
pull your foot out of your mouth and engage the brain
idolises a child molester,
Are you as huge a drop kick as he was also?
Your one of the irritating morons who thinks they know it all
pull your thumb out of your mouth boy and engage your brain.
category are dumbarses and it would appear that there are several here on this thread
yet made an utter arsewipe of yourself online
decided in your pea brains
KiwiBiker dirt dickhead division
But just to prove my point and show your pea brain
the dopey dipstick division
I'll type slow so you can keep up
As for the dumbarse

Quality input aye! Never given much red rep out but this guy came real close!
You gotta laugh though!!
I can't be bothered spending anymore time on this so I'll leave it to you guys! :girlfight:

[B0000M]

edit, - nah too harsh

[camchain]

i disagree with your statement that smaller wheels make a dirtbike more difficult to lean over, when we are talking about going down in weight of the bikes as we are here the smaller wheeled 85cc or 150f will be much easier to handle.

i can lay a 85cc mx bike further over than a 450 mx bike, mainley due to low weight, bigger wheels have some other advantages on a dirtbike but cornering is not one of them,
Good example of handling, and steering. Scott411 is a classy dude.

[IIIRII]

Inline 4 ,
If you communicate like this in real life face to face ,I would be amazed if you have any teeth left....
Rightly or wrongly, from my perspective, you have not actually given any real evidence from an engineering , scientific or physics point of view but only belittled others points of view.
All your assumptions are based on what you say is right because you say it .....
I think your comments are without any justification or substance.

Im happy to discuss this in real engineering and scientic terms if you are up to it.

[B0000M]

Inline 4 ,
If you communicate like this in real life face to face ,I would be amazed if you have any teeth left....
Rightly or wrongly, from my perspective, you have not actually given any real evidence from an engineering , scientific or physics point of view but only belittled others points of view.
All your assumptions are based on what you say is right because you say it .....
I think your comments are without any justification or substance.

Im happy to discuss this in real engineering and scientic terms if you are up to it.

i heard inline4 invented science and engineering :clap:

[Midget200]

i disagree with your statement that smaller wheels make a dirtbike more difficult to lean over, when we are talking about going down in weight of the bikes as we are here the smaller wheeled 85cc or 150f will be much easier to handle.

i can lay a 85cc mx bike further over than a 450 mx bike, mainley due to low weight, bigger wheels have some other advantages on a dirtbike but cornering is not one of them,

At the risk of getting another torrent of abuse from the one who thinks he knows all about leaning bikes over and me being a 'groupie', Scott411 do you think there's any point in bigger wheels for the KX85, or is this even possible? Would it be beneficial? I have the big wheel 85 now! Finding it harder than the 250 to push through the soft sand and the woops!

[scott411]

that is down side of smaller wheels, they tend to struggle a bit more in whoops and deep sand,

putting bigger wheels on a 85 would take alot of engineering and then steering angles and rake and trail would be out of wack and it i think it would be very bad handling,

i think a better option would be making a 125 (weather it be a kx or any other brand) a bit shorter, it can be done alot easier than making a 85 bigger, and you will go up a bit in weight but have a bit more power as well, they have a larger range of power than an 85 which would help as well.

[inlinefour]

Agreed Scott,

He's probably comparing a ZX10 to a scooter as referred to in his post, not a big wheel compared to a small wheel which only has in inch or so difference but same chassis and tyre width. I take that assumption from this statement Anything with small wheels cannot be lent over, like a real motorcycle he doesn't seem to think a cr85 etc is a real MX bike!! Yeh right tui!!! He needed to go to the junior MX champs and see the buggers go on those! Then he goes on in the last post about smaller bikes having smaller width tyres etc but if he knew what the heck he was talking about, the bikes we where on about ie Cr85 CRF150F and Ktm105xc have same/similar width tyres as a full size 125 or 250! Shit my 200 runs 120's from factory same width as a 450. We where not comparing a mini to a full size bike we where comparing a big wheel to a small wheel in the same range DUH!!! But no doubt he'll throw some more abuse at the above as well!

Then he resorts to all sorts of crap to show his real character!
Here's a few cut and paste's for a laugh!!

Obviously you don't know your arse from your elbow
groupie ass whipping
pull your foot out of your mouth and engage the brain
idolises a child molester,
Are you as huge a drop kick as he was also?
Your one of the irritating morons who thinks they know it all
pull your thumb out of your mouth boy and engage your brain.
category are dumbarses and it would appear that there are several here on this thread
yet made an utter arsewipe of yourself online
decided in your pea brains
KiwiBiker dirt dickhead division
But just to prove my point and show your pea brain
the dopey dipstick division
I'll type slow so you can keep up
As for the dumbarse

Quality input aye! Never given much red rep out but this guy came real close!
You gotta laugh though!!
I can't be bothered spending anymore time on this so I'll leave it to you guys! :girlfight:

Sounds like you lot are in the trade of keeping your side of the (mass)debate going no matter what. I see someone got upset over a few words (s)he didnt like, fancey that. Ive been talking like that all my life when I come accross utter morons and usually they just get upset, because the truth hurts. I see that someone mentioned that the knobblies are all the same size!?! Obviously some people have never seen, let alone ridden a real big bike. Check out the size knobblies that a IT490, TT600, DR750 etc etc etc can have on them and you'll realise that some people making all the noise, really dont know much. Some of the biggest width knobblies Ive seen was on some of the older skool dirt/enduro/mx bikes around. Perhaps this is why some of the younger folk know stuff all around here?

[IIIRII]

Ive been talking like that all my life when I come accross utter morons and usually they just get upset, because the truth hurts
Clearly you are the moron ....
Once again you state that you know all and everyone else is stupid ...

Again, say something with substance and fact or shut up as the more you try to dig yourself out of the shit, the deeper you fall.

Comments like "I know because I know ,make you look ,actually considerable past stupid and wavering on "special needs"

[Ktmboy]

Sounds like you lot are in the trade of keeping your side of the (mass)debate going no matter what. I see someone got upset over a few words (s)he didnt like, fancey that. Ive been talking like that all my life when I come accross utter morons and usually they just get upset, because the truth hurts. I see that someone mentioned that the knobblies are all the same size!?! Obviously some people have never seen, let alone ridden a real big bike. Check out the size knobblies that a IT490, TT600, DR750 etc etc etc can have on them and you'll realise that some people making all the noise, really dont know much. Some of the biggest width knobblies Ive seen was on some of the older skool dirt/enduro/mx bikes around. Perhaps this is why some of the younger folk know stuff all around here?

I don't normally get involved in crap like this but you really have over stepped the mark.
To call someone (that actually in many ways resembles your wife)a "groupie ass whipping" is absolutely wrong.

Best you try to sort out your frustration and anger in some other medium.

Go away and don't come back. Yes I have sooo much more experience than you, so don't even go there about how much you know.

Bye bye.

[B0000M]

he seems to go on and on a lot for a guy who cant even ride a bike.

[Rupe]

I'd just ignor him, he's just on a wind up mission.

Get it back on topic, and lets help out find some educated answers for one of the female riders (that we need more of).

[inlinefour]

I don't normally get involved in crap like this but you really have over stepped the mark.
To call someone (that actually in many ways resembles your wife)a "groupie ass whipping" is absolutely wrong.

Best you try to sort out your frustration and anger in some other medium.

Go away and don't come back. Yes I have sooo much more experience than you, so don't even go there about how much you know.

Bye bye.

Oh of course you have more experience than me! I only started riding when I was 6 and rode alot until I was 35, when I had my accident. All of those years motorcycling was my much prefferred activity and once I was working I started restoring old Jap bikes. So you must be an utter bikie guru as well as being annoyingly politically correct. The really good thing about this thread is that other motorcyclists who know a thing or two about what Ive been on about, will be laughing about the dribble bullshit coments made by you lot. Oh and I hate to have to spell it out again on this thread, but nothing Ive typed has been in anger, its just been a troll, fed by ijiots who are happy to show how little they know, on a public forum. Go figure... :whocares:


Clearly you are the moron ....
Once again you state that you know all and everyone else is stupid ...

Again, say something with substance and fact or shut up as the more you try to dig yourself out of the shit, the deeper you fall.

Comments like "I know because I know ,make you look ,actually considerable past stupid and wavering on "special needs"

How old are you and can you tie your shoe laces by yourself yet? Just because you lot like to think you know alot and boost each others' egos by agreeing that you all know alot about motorcycles, it does not make it so. If you cant read and see the valid points Ive made in my posts and are just crying about the comments you lot dont like, then thats your problem. Bikers used to be a relitively hard bunch, but all thats on this thread are a bunch of misguided, know it all softcocks.

All you dipsticks and dipshits alike go and talk to a few ppl here who know me well and then you'll be told the facts about how much I know and how well I used to ride, as well as how much riding I did.

[flyingcr250]

Oh of course you have more experience than me! I only started riding when I was 6 and rode alot until I was 35, when I had my accident. All of those years motorcycling was my much prefferred activity and once I was working I started restoring old Jap bikes. So you must be an utter bikie guru as well as being annoyingly politically correct. The really good thing about this thread is that other motorcyclists who know a thing or two about what Ive been on about, will be laughing about the dribble bullshit coments made by you lot. Oh and I hate to have to spell it out again on this thread, but nothing Ive typed has been in anger, its just been a troll, fed by ijiots who are happy to show how little they know, on a public forum. Go figure... :whocares:



How old are you and can you tie your shoe laces by yourself yet? Just because you lot like to think you know alot and boost each others' egos by agreeing that you all know alot about motorcycles, it does not make it so. If you cant read and see the valid points Ive made in my posts and are just crying about the comments you lot dont like, then thats your problem. Bikers used to be a relitively hard bunch, but all thats on this thread are a bunch of misguided, know it all softcocks.

All you dipsticks and dipshits alike go and talk to a few ppl here who know me well and then you'll be told the facts about how much I know and how well I used to ride, as well as how much riding I did.


andy, andy, andy. did lou leave you to play on the computer all by your self?
how do these threads all turn out like this?
its just sad.:crybaby:

[Midget200]

I'd just ignor him, he's just on a wind up mission.

Get it back on topic, and lets help out find some educated answers for one of the female riders (that we need more of).

Yeah Rupe, thanks for that and KTM Boy, and Scott and for the other constructive posts! Wow us girls get so much help from here, we don't need to get discouraged from putting up posts by assholes giving us grief! Poor CRFChick won't want to put anymore posts up when this happens! Thank god she got some good advice from you guys before this dickhead started crapping on! It's not easy asking for help in this medium and we all want constructive help from you guys who know us and really want to help!

[crfchick]

Yeah Rupe, thanks for that and KTM Boy, and Scott and for the other constructive posts! Wow us girls get so much help from here, we don't need to get discouraged from putting up posts by assholes giving us grief! Poor CRFChick won't want to put anymore posts up when this happens! Thank god she got some good advice from you guys before this dickhead started crapping on! It's not easy asking for help in this medium and we all want constructive help from you guys who know us and really want to help!
Hell yeah! Aside from that one idiot gurgling on about shit I got some awesome advice! Thank you guys all so much! Gave me plenty of options to weigh up - I'll keep you posted!

[B0000M]

Oh of course you have more experience than me! I only started riding when I was 6 and rode alot until I was 35, when I had my accident. All of those years motorcycling was my much prefferred activity and once I was working I started restoring old Jap bikes.


you lot like to think you know alot and boost each others' egos by agreeing that you all know alot about motorcycles,


but all thats on this thread are a bunch of misguided, know it all softcocks.


and how well I used to ride, as well as how much riding I did.

haha, cool, we'll give you a yell next time we need advise on which bike from the late 70's and early 80s to choose

ever wondered why they dont make DR750s and all that other 3 ton shit anymore?

i think you'll find theres some real talent that lurks in this forum, though there are a few softcocks too.

i see you like to talk about just how much of a fucken fantastic rider you were, why dont you list a few of your highlights of your success? eg national placings etc?

also, seeing as you know so much about motorcycles, we might as well just all pm you every time we have questions, but i doubt we'd get factual answers....

[IIIRII]

How old are you and can you tie your shoe laces by yourself yet? Just because you lot like to think you know alot and boost each others' egos by agreeing that you all know alot about motorcycles, it does not make it so. If you cant read and see the valid points Ive made in my posts and are just crying about the comments you

Hi,My age is irrelevant ,but if you must know Im 48 and yes I can tie my own shoe laces.
All I have asked is that you make some attempt to communicate like an adult.
At least make some attempt to justify your overwhelming desire to undermine what others have to say.
Im not agreeing or dissagreeing, Im simply asking can you justify your opinion with FACTS rather than emotions.
You have not added any value at all to the discussion but only make a fool of yourself by constantly going back to your own rather vague and still unsubstanciated dribble.

Do you understand
Rotational mass
Gyroscopic effect
Unsprung weight
Centre of gravity

Etc:
Would you like to discuss these areas and there effect on motorcycles and cars, like a grown up ?
Or am I just another moron in your opinion ?

[buffstar]

Obviously you dont know your arse from your elbow and when I rode I would have happily come out riding, as I allways did. I guess you enjoy doing the groupie ass wipping. I think you should pull your foot out of your mouth and engage the brain.
:blink:


I wouldnt expect anything different from someone who idolises a child molester, drug addict and self harmer in their sig. Are you as huge a drop kick as he was also? :laugh:


Your one of the irritating morons who thinks they know it all and will resort to shitty remarks with negative rep, pull your thumb out of your mouth boy and engage your brain. I had 15 motorcycles at the time of my accident, including the MX bike I was riding at the time. If you dont understand what is written/typed, the chance is that those who fall into that category are dumbarses and it would appear that there are several here on this thread. :jerry:


Jaysus!!!! Who invited the angry crippled guy? :Playnice:

fkn rock in here and start shit with my Midget ........ thats not very nice, considering your probably still taller than her in your fucking chair pal :girlfight:

[Reckless]

Sounds like you lot are in the trade of keeping your side of the (mass)debate going no matter what. I see someone got upset over a few words (s)he didnt like, fancey that. Ive been talking like that all my life when I come accross utter morons and usually they just get upset, because the truth hurts. I see that someone mentioned that the knobblies are all the same size!?! Obviously some people have never seen, let alone ridden a real big bike. Check out the size knobblies that a IT490, TT600, DR750 etc etc etc can have on them and you'll realise that some people making all the noise, really dont know much. Some of the biggest width knobblies Ive seen was on some of the older skool dirt/enduro/mx bikes around. Perhaps this is why some of the younger folk know stuff all around here?

I've done this!! I've ridden that!! yeh whatever!!
I've ridden for 35years to but got better things to do than to entertain your sad life!!
Over and out!!!

[B0000M]

looks like he isnt coming back. thats a shame, i was having fun lol

[Sammikins]

I wouldnt expect anything different from someone who idolises a child molester, drug addict and self harmer in their sig. Are you as huge a drop kick as he was also? :laugh:

You guys are gonna love this... check the bad rep this fucker left me: "I would expect a bit more from a drz rider than huh? I also rode a fully tricked road legal drz400 plus vintage mx & a trails bike. So whats your excuse for sounding like Homer?"

Sure, if getting out there and actually RIDING my cruddy little DRZ makes me a dropkick then I guess I am; sure beats being a narcissistic mud-slinging bigot that sits in front of his computer tugging himself while spouting off endless bullshit about fossilized bikes, scooters, and how far he can lean his road bike. Take your "vintage" and shove it. This is 2009. :motu::tugger::moon:

[noobi]

You guys are gonna love this... check the bad rep this fucker left me: "I would expect a bit more from a drz rider than huh? I also rode a fully tricked road legal drz400 plus vintage mx & a trails bike. So whats your excuse for sounding like Homer?"


i think its rather funny that he thinks that what brand bike you ride has much to do with personality. ie his sig, that honda riders are homos.... you would be cool cuz you ride a drz.....this maybe true with road bikes but dirt bikes you just ride the one that best fits the criteria, like what this thread it trying to find out

:banana:


wtf is a trAIls bike???? arnt they either trials bikes or trail bikes

[oldskool]

Sounds to me everyone is winding up getting primed and ready for a bloody good ride over the weekend! Tough skins are par for the course in motor-racing and don't we just love revving each other up. You gotta love it! :clap::headbang:

I balance the total outlay of the bike against the fun-factor. To me the CRF150R is overpriced because; 'Would you get anymore overall satisfaction with the 150R compared to a less expensive 2t 80/85?'

[Sammikins]

I dunno, to be honest I'm still not 100% convinced on the 2T thing but I can't justify the cost of a 150R, although the Honda salesman was very convincing when trying to sell me one, apparently they brought them out to replace the 85 and go just as hard.

[B0000M]

I dunno, to be honest I'm still not 100% convinced on the 2T thing but I can't justify the cost of a 150R, although the Honda salesman was very convincing when trying to sell me one, apparently they brought them out to replace the 85 and go just as hard.

thats entirely true. they do go just as hard, except they cost twice as much. and have more small parts moving really really fast to break / wear out

[vr4king]

Still a very cool bike though.......

[Sammikins]

I'd get one if they were cheaper

[L Rider]

I dunno, to be honest I'm still not 100% convinced on the 2T thing but I can't justify the cost of a 150R, although the Honda salesman was very convincing when trying to sell me one, apparently they brought them out to replace the 85 and go just as hard.

Thawt you were set on a 85 2t??? you sold your bike yet?

[Reckless]

I'd get one if they were cheaper

Give Scott a call Sammy about the suitability of those KX100's we where talking about earlier. He'll give you a price to import one. Or see what they are worth on ebay? I read a write up on them by a bike mag about a year ago they reckoned they are an excellent basis for an enduro bike. I think they only added a fly wheel weight then FMF fatty pipe? The bigger wheels be better in the sand than the 85 but Scott will know much better about them. Don't know if the extra 15 cc's over the 85 will give it more torque or not, but the bike mag reckoned it did?? Bit taller Kx85 840mm seat vs KX100 870mm so see what fits? My CRf150f you rode is 830mm. There where a couple of second hand RM100 and KX100 links posted on here as well. I reckon the 100 will make a better trial bike but ask scott I'm pretty sure he won't try and sell you what he's got in stock rather than whats best for you. Probably the way I will go for my daughter after the CRF150 as the Ktm105Xc will be to expensive?

[L Rider]

Give Scott a call Sammy about the suitability of those KX100's we where talking about earlier. He'll give you a price to import one. Or see what they are worth on ebay? I read a write up on them by a bike mag about a year ago they reckoned they are an excellent basis for an enduro bike. I think they only added a fly wheel weight then FMF fatty pipe? The bigger wheels be better in the sand than the 85 but Scott will know much better about them. Don't know if the extra 15 cc's over the 85 will give it more torque or not, but the bike mag reckoned it did?? Bit taller Kx85 840mm seat vs KX100 870mm so see what fits? My CRf150f you rode is 830mm. There where a couple of second hand RM100 and KX100 links posted on here as well. I reckon the 100 will make a better trial bike but ask scott I'm pretty sure he won't try and sell you what he's got in stock rather than whats best for you. Probably the way I will go for my daughter after the CRF150 as the Ktm105Xc will be to expensive?

The 100's have the bit more down low. Spikedpunch reckons they're great - probably not rite now while she's having problems with hers but prior to that.

[SpikedPunch]

The 100's have the bit more down low. Spikedpunch reckons they're great - probably not rite now while she's having problems with hers but prior to that.

Haha yeah :) Sam's ridden mine before, she knows the score!
The best bike is the bike you like riding the most, JMO :banana:

[Sammikins]

Maaaan had my bike on tradies for months and not a single bite!! Dunno, dunno dunno dunno what to do... Until my bike is sold I can't buy anything anyway, gives me time to try out all you guys's bikes ahahha :2thumbsup

[L Rider]

Maaaan had my bike on tradies for months and not a single bite!! Dunno, dunno dunno dunno what to do... Until my bike is sold I can't buy anything anyway, gives me time to try out all you guys's bikes ahahha :2thumbsup

Tried listing it elsewhere? motorcycle trader, trade & exchange, on here???

[Sammikins]

Tried listing it elsewhere? motorcycle trader, trade & exchange, on here???

Man, gonna have to do something, need the cash!!

[L Rider]

Man, gonna have to do something, need the cash!!

the cash for a new bike i hope????

[Sammikins]

the cash for a new bike i hope????

LMAO yes but am buying a cheaper bike than what I wanna sell Darren for... leaving me a little surplus to sort out some stuff... mind you it's not like I ever ride any more, its been months!! :(

[oldguy]

Maaaan had my bike on tradies for months and not a single bite!! Dunno, dunno dunno dunno what to do... Until my bike is sold I can't buy anything anyway, gives me time to try out all you guys's bikes ahahha :2thumbsup

Theres an RMZ250 sitting in my workshop not doing anything at all, you are more than welcome to try it out, I can't get to ride it, so some one may as well.
otherwise it may seize up.

[oldskool]

Theres an RMZ250 sitting in my workshop not doing anything at all, you are more than welcome to try it out, I can't get to ride it, so some one may as well.
otherwise it may seize up.
Sure I'll swing by, pick it up and use it for the 2man this Sunday. :buggerd:

[Sammikins]

Theres an RMZ250 sitting in my workshop not doing anything at all, you are more than welcome to try it out, I can't get to ride it, so some one may as well.
otherwise it may seize up.

LMAO I can predict two scenarios: I'll either toodle around for about half an hour until the bike stops going and give it back to you with a gunked up spark plug; OR come visit me in hospital and I'll give you directions to the tree I left it wrapped around after I wasted myself. :2thumbsup

[oldguy]

Sure I'll swing by, pick it up and use it for the 2man this Sunday. :buggerd:
If you want no worries, I'm just a PM away,


LMAO I can predict two scenarios: I'll either toodle around for about half an hour until the bike stops going and give it back to you with a gunked up spark plug; OR come visit me in hospital and I'll give you directions to the tree I left it wrapped around after I wasted myself. :2thumbsup

Think Positive Girl, don't think your that bad are you :(

[L Rider]

Sure I'll swing by, pick it up and use it for the 2man this Sunday. :buggerd:

Reckon you'll go faster on this huh?:banana:

[oldskool]

If you want no worries, I'm just a PM away,




Thanks for that but I'd much rather see yah there riding it!!





Reckon you'll go faster on this huh?
Oh bloody oath I would. I wouldn't be trailing behind Noobs anymore!

[clmintie]

Theres an RMZ250 sitting in my workshop not doing anything at all, you are more than welcome to try it out, I can't get to ride it, so some one may as well.
otherwise it may seize up.

Is it a case of no transport, or something more sinister, like family commitments?

I might be able to help with transport.....

[oldguy]

Is it a case of no transport, or something more sinister, like family commitments?

I might be able to help with transport.....
All good mate, thinking of building a trailer to hook up to the buell now that would look cool, 2 cool bikes just look at my sig pic imagine the RMZ on a little trailer
just got to get my ass into gear, and finish my wagon.

[jt119]

All good mate, thinking of building a trailer to hook up to the buell now that would look cool, 2 cool bikes just look at my sig pic imagine the RMZ on a little trailer
just got to get my ass into gear, and finish my wagon.

ya if its just transport ive got a three bike trailer and only 5 mins south of you

[oldskool]

ya if its just transport ive got a three bike trailer and only 5 mins south of you
I think it'd be a case of you stopping by TWISTING HIS ARM and throwing the RMZ on the trailer. John just needs a bit of gentle persuasion! :oi-grr:

[green machine]

Same goes here John.....i usually just have my bike on my ute,and meet up with the rest of the boys along the way.....i'll pm ya a few days in advance when i'm riding next,and see if you're keen

[oldguy]

ya if its just transport ive got a three bike trailer and only 5 mins south of you
Thanks for the offer...... but I think I'll give it a miss.


I think it'd be a case of you stopping by TWISTING HIS ARM and throwing the RMZ on the trailer. John just needs a bit of gentle persuasion! :oi-grr:
Didn't think I was that predictable :doh:

I feel guilty, talking :Offtopic:stuff in this thread.:Oops:

[inlinefour]

You guys are gonna love this... check the bad rep this fucker left me: "I would expect a bit more from a drz rider than huh? I also rode a fully tricked road legal drz400 plus vintage mx & a trails bike. So whats your excuse for sounding like Homer?"

Sure, if getting out there and actually RIDING my cruddy little DRZ makes me a dropkick then I guess I am; sure beats being a narcissistic mud-slinging bigot that sits in front of his computer tugging himself while spouting off endless bullshit about fossilized bikes, scooters, and how far he can lean his road bike. Take your "vintage" and shove it. This is 2009. :motu::tugger::moon:

Yea and sadly in 2009 society is full of politically correct dropkicks who like to think they know what they are talking about, but apart from stroking each others' over inflated egos, know very little and are not doing much more. Sorry to say that I have no need for tugging myself, period. It does not work, nor can I feel it, which also means that I dont get sexually frustrated, ever. It makes me wonder why you would mention it though, do you need some special alone time just for yourself?

[inlinefour]

I've done this!! I've ridden that!! yeh whatever!!
I've ridden for 35years to but got better things to do than to entertain your sad life!!
Over and out!!!

If thats the case why have you bothered to make any reply on this post? If you have better things to be doing, like you say, then surely you would be out there doing them? :clap:

[krad_nz]

You're an idiot.

[inlinefour]

Jaysus!!!! Who invited the angry crippled guy? :Playnice:

fkn rock in here and start shit with my Midget ........ thats not very nice, considering your probably still taller than her in your fucking chair pal :girlfight:

Sad bit about it was that it started off as a troll, trying to get ppl to take the bait. But in this age of political correctness thats taken over the youth of today, they just cried foul and got upset over the words that they didnt like. These same people are the future of NZ, or so its said. Oh and I was not invited, Ive been here along time and althogh they have tried to get rid of me, Im the annoying prick of this website, so just get over it and carry on with what your doing. Just let it be known though, if someone is saying stupid shit about motorcycling and I see it, its going to get a mention. If you want to know just how full o shyte the sportsbike riders are, check out the road riders who put their knee out on NZ roads while riding. Anyone who knows what they are doing on a sports bike will know that you can only do that on a smooth race track. The majority of roads in NZ will destroy anything allowed to touch it at speed, hence they really dont get their knee right down and if it touched, its likely to throw the rider that off balance that they would have a spectacular crash. Kinda explains some of the motorcycles crashes that happens in NZ aye... :devil2:

[inlinefour]

You're an idiot.

They say it takes one to tell one and I guess there is some truth in that. Anyone who has "my mum says I look cool" under their name, has to be an idiot!

[krad_nz]

Clearly you don't understand self-deprecating humour.

[flyingcr250]

Sad bit about it was that it started off as a troll, trying to get ppl to take the bait. But in this age of political correctness thats taken over the youth of today, they just cried foul and got upset over the words that they didnt like. These same people are the future of NZ, or so its said. Oh and I was not invited, Ive been here along time and althogh they have tried to get rid of me, Im the annoying prick of this website, so just get over it and carry on with what your doing. Just let it be known though, if someone is saying stupid shit about motorcycling and I see it, its going to get a mention. If you want to know just how full o shyte the sportsbike riders are, check out the road riders who put their knee out on NZ roads while riding. Anyone who knows what they are doing on a sports bike will know that you can only do that on a smooth race track. The majority of roads in NZ will destroy anything allowed to touch it at speed, hence they really dont get their knee right down and if it touched, its likely to throw the rider that off balance that they would have a spectacular crash. Kinda explains some of the motorcycles crashes that happens in NZ aye... :devil2:

:zzzz::zzzz::zzzz::zzzz: what was this thread about again?? was someone buying a new bike? hows that going?

[inlinefour]

:zzzz::zzzz::zzzz::zzzz: what was this thread about again?? was someone buying a new bike? hows that going?

They sorted it out and decided what they was best getting. Are you having a slow day or what? More to the point, why are you not out riding???:sleep:

[inlinefour]

Clearly you don't understand self-deprecating humour.

You would be surprised over what I understand, a Ba and post grad diploma taught me all sorts of useful info. The thing that some here do not understand is that sarcasim is only one of the things that I am good at. While some are getting upset, Im just laughing. The wise ones are laughing with me at the PC generation...:devil2:

[flyingcr250]

They sorted it out and decided what they was best getting. Are you having a slow day or what? More to the point, why are you not out riding???:sleep:

because i fell off my bike and now im in a wheel chair:devil2:

[B0000M]

You would be surprised over what I understand, a Ba and post grad diploma taught me all sorts of useful info. The thing that some here do not understand is that sarcasim is only one of the things that I am good at. While some are getting upset, Im just laughing. The wise ones are laughing with me at the PC generation...:devil2:


so youve been to school as well, whats your qualification? probably travel and tourism or something equally irrelevant. :clap:

as for the riding thing, i've been out today on my jetski, and tomorrow i will be on my bike. what about you?

[IIIRII]

Inline four
I seriously feel sorry for you, first of all nothing you have said anywhere on this thread makes any sense at all and now all you are atempting to do is undo your comments using some kind of "it was a troll" excuse.
Its all well and good accusing everyone else of being a moron and not having a life, but take a step back and have a good look at what you have contributed to this thread.

No doubt you are very proud of yourself for being the annoying guy everyone hates on these forums, Im sure you think that is something everyone wants to espire too.

Unfortunatley in the real world your actions and comments have made it more than obvious that in actual fact you are the lifeless moron who is happy with the vacuum between his ears and everyone else is somehow sub standard.

Please fuck off.

[B0000M]

Inline four .................................................. .................................................. ..................


Please fuck off.

o come on, cant we keep this him / this thread going? its provided me with shitloads of entertainment!

:clap::clap::clap:

[Reckless]

Sad bit about it was that it started off as a troll,

Yeh right! Tui moment there lads !!!!


o come on, cant we keep this him / this thread going? its provided me with shitloads of entertainment!

:clap::clap::clap:

you gotta laugh as I have previously stated LOL!!!
Is he actually in a wheelchair I didn't know?? Not that it matters in the least in my opinion if a person is a dork he's one standing or sitting!!!

[jt119]

They sorted it out and decided what they was best getting. Are you having a slow day or what? More to the point, why are you not out riding???:sleep:why havnt you put a 2t 250 on your chair and some 19 wheels made up some bars and gone out riding the sand pit . get one of them nazi helmets and have a blast sounds like you got the time and brains and get some black shades to go with the helmet and chrome it

[B0000M]

why havnt you put a 2t 250 on your chair and some 19 wheels made up some bars and gone out riding the sand pit . get one of them nazi helmets and have a blast sounds like you got the time and brains and get some black shades to go with the helmet and chrome it

its not like you can have an accident and become crippled

[flyingcr250]

its not like you can have an accident and become crippled

i was waiting for it, and it finally arrived. ha ha ha THATS GOLD!:clap:

[oldguy]

Come on guys, just let it go, all your doing is throwing petrol on a fire to try and put it out.
starting to become personal
just ignore........

[inlinefour]

why havnt you put a 2t 250 on your chair and some 19 wheels made up some bars and gone out riding the sand pit . get one of them nazi helmets and have a blast sounds like you got the time and brains and get some black shades to go with the helmet and chrome it

Because I dont get into the type of crap that you do, so you'll have in go and play in there alone. :yawn:

[inlinefour]

[QUOTE=Reckless;1129378651]Yeh right! Tui moment there lads !!!!QUOTE]

No, it just makes ppl idiots for feeding the troll and then later complaining that the troll is sticking around. Some of these concepts I would have thought that at least some of you might have known, like dont feed a troll, but I guess I was wrong?:Oops:

[B0000M]

No, it just makes ppl idiots for feeding the troll and then later complaining that the troll is sticking around. Some of these concepts I would have thought that at least some of you might have known, like dont feed a troll, but I guess I was wrong?:Oops:

so what do trolls like to eat?

[inlinefour]

so youve been to school as well, whats your qualification? probably travel and tourism or something equally irrelevant. :clap:

as for the riding thing, i've been out today on my jetski, and tomorrow i will be on my bike. what about you?

Your really good at assuming it all, must a pain how you get it wrong. Ive been cruising the coastal walkway in the handcycle in my profile pic, yes thats actually me there. I have no idea of what I'll be getting up to tomorrow, there is plenty to do, its just the deciding what. For all the finger pointing and preforming you lot do, you have quite a nack of making yourself look lke twats. :crazy:

[cheese]

so what do trolls like to eat?

According to wiki answers

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_do_trolls_eat

People that go over their bridges.

However year 3 and 4 school children claim the following -

What do Trolls eat ?

Trolls eat fish and other underwater animals. They sometimes eat their own bogeys and other disgusting things. Trolls also eat four legged animals. They eat human bits as well.

anyway, so back to bikes. Maybe you should just get a DRZ400 motor, a CR85 frame and some wheels of a quad so you can lean it over in them corners.

[vr4king]

go the 150r:angry2::angry2:

[inlinefour]

because i fell off my bike and now im in a wheel chair:devil2:

Oh dear, how sad, never mind. Life goes on.

[inlinefour]

so what do trolls like to eat?

Stupid posts like this one. But then again your the number 1 trained seal. :yawn:

[B0000M]

Your really good at assuming it all, must a pain how you get it wrong. Ive been cruising the coastal walkway in the handcycle in my profile pic, yes thats actually me there. I have no idea of what I'll be getting up to tomorrow, there is plenty to do, its just the deciding what. For all the finger pointing and preforming you lot do, you have quite a nack of making yourself look lke twats. :crazy:

funnily enough im the guy in my profile pic too, also im the guy in my avatar

you didnt answer my question though- whats your amazing qualification?

wasnt assuming, just stabbing a guess

[B0000M]

According to wiki answers

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_do_trolls_eat

People that go over their bridges.

However year 3 and 4 school children claim the following -

What do Trolls eat ?

Trolls eat fish and other underwater animals. They sometimes eat their own bogeys and other disgusting things. Trolls also eat four legged animals. They eat human bits as well.

anyway, so back to bikes. Maybe you should just get a DRZ400 motor, a CR85 frame and some wheels of a quad so you can lean it over in them corners.


perhaps he was looking for fish and other underwater animals whilst cruising the coastal walkway in the handicycle

[B0000M]

Stupid posts like this one. But then again your the number 1 trained seal. :yawn:

im not familiar with the ins and outs of being a seal, please explain

[inlinefour]

im not familiar with the ins and outs of being a seal, please explain

Well it must come naturally for you as you dont need any input.


funnily enough im the guy in my profile pic too, also im the guy in my avatar

you didnt answer my question though- whats your amazing qualification?

wasnt assuming, just stabbing a guess

Does my qualification have to meet your approval or something?

Im guessing that your the type of individual that has to have the last word, no matter what. Thats fine and please do. But this thread has played itself out completely to the point its become boring. I'll leave you ladies to it and search for another thread worthy of casting some bait out into. :bash:

[Midget200]

Well it must come naturally for you as you dont need any input.



Does my qualification have to meet your approval or something?

Im guessing that your the type of individual that has to have the last word, no matter what. Thats fine and please do. But this thread has played itself out completely to the point its become boring. I'll leave you ladies to it and search for another thread worthy of casting some bait out into. :bash:

Well thanks inlinefour from me, CRFChick and all the females that ask for help on these forums! We'll be thinking twice for sure. Do you even remember what the thread was about before you assassinated it! Geez you didn't help with any advice, so why bother wasting your time. Good idea to get onto another thread for sure and let us get back on topic!

Once again, thanks guys for the constructive input! CRF Chick don't arrive out at Woodhill on a scooter or moped for god's sake, you can't lean them over at all in the sand!!!! Well that's what I've learnt! Anyway heading out to the 2 man now. I'll be the one with the bike that doesn't lean over at all as it's only an 85!!!!!

[inlinefour]

Well thanks inlinefour from me, CRFChick and all the females that ask for help on these forums! We'll be thinking twice for sure. Do you even remember what the thread was about before you assassinated it! Geez you didn't help with any advice, so why bother wasting your time. Good idea to get onto another thread for sure and let us get back on topic!

Once again, thanks guys for the constructive input! CRF Chick don't arrive out at Woodhill on a scooter or moped for god's sake, you can't lean them over at all in the sand!!!! Well that's what I've learnt! Anyway heading out to the 2 man now. I'll be the one with the bike that doesn't lean over at all as it's only an 85!!!!!

lol :whocares:

[Reckless]

lol :whocares:

So who has to have the last word????

[Midget200]

So who has to have the last word????

Yeah what a dickwad! You had the last word! Oh no now I've had the last word! Where were you today anyway!

[B0000M]

oh no!, now i have the last word. let that last word be:

fuckers!

[Sammikins]

Sorry to say that I have no need for tugging myself, period. It does not work, nor can I feel it, which also means that I dont get sexually frustrated, ever.

Too... :sick: much... :sick: infor.... :sick: mation.... :puke:

[inlinefour]

Too... :sick: much... :sick: infor.... :sick: mation.... :puke:

Thats cool, you shouldnt have asked. :whocares:

As for the other clowns, you both can have the last word...:shutup:

[buffstar]

Hey CRFChick!!!!!

hows your decision going re: which bike you gonna burn off into the sunset on?

I have ridden a 150, this was before I got my 230....... I found it to be too small and gutless, not as reliable and steady as the 230 was for me.

I have only met you one time, and you did not seem to be that much smaller in stature to me (not like our wee friend Midget LOL!!) So dont know that a 150 would be suited to you?

Personally I went from my lovely, reliable, user friendly CRF230 to a wanky barstardy hard to start - easy to stall CRF250R........ I would not recommend you go that way if you are not confidant in yourself and your abilities....... My Ego is almost as large as my mouth - and I have found it a very frustrating struggle at times!!! (Poor old Ego finds it hard you see when things go up shit creek :no:)

My genuine advice to you would be hang on to ya 230 until you are ready to GO F*&^KN HARD!!!! tis a great bike for building your confidance and experiance on - when you get to the stage where the power is not enuf ....... get a 250 or......... GET A PERM :laugh:

[Sammikins]

Hey CRFChick!!!!!

hows your decision going re: which bike you gonna burn off into the sunset on?

I have ridden a 150, this was before I got my 230....... I found it to be too small and gutless, not as reliable and steady as the 230 was for me.

I have only met you one time, and you did not seem to be that much smaller in stature to me (not like our wee friend Midget LOL!!) So dont know that a 150 would be suited to you?

Personally I went from my lovely, reliable, user friendly CRF230 to a wanky barstardy hard to start - easy to stall CRF250R........ I would not recommend you go that way if you are not confidant in yourself and your abilities....... My Ego is almost as large as my mouth - and I have found it a very frustrating struggle at times!!! (Poor old Ego finds it hard you see when things go up shit creek :no:)

My genuine advice to you would be hang on to ya 230 until you are ready to GO F*&^KN HARD!!!! tis a great bike for building your confidance and experiance on - when you get to the stage where the power is not enuf ....... get a 250 or......... GET A PERM :laugh:

I was considering a 230 but everyone was grizzling over the weight and 'farminess' of the bike...

[buffstar]

I was considering a 230 but everyone was grizzling over the weight and 'farminess' of the bike...


My reply to that would be - It sits between your legs baby not only that but a mate of mine took my 230 out on the motox track at Kimmys and it certainly didnt look farmy when he was jumping the table tops and doing all his insane trix on it (front wheel stoppies and all bro!!) was MEAN!!! Far out I wish i could DO THAT STUFF ARRRRRRGHGHGHGHGHJGHGH11111:2guns::2guns::2guns::2 guns::2guns:


Whoops.......... peace n love n stuff :wari:

[Sammikins]

My reply to that would be - It sits between your legs baby not only that but a mate of mine took my 230 out on the motox track at Kimmys and it certainly didnt look farmy when he was jumping the table tops and doing all his insane trix on it (front wheel stoppies and all bro!!) was MEAN!!! Far out I wish i could DO THAT STUFF ARRRRRRGHGHGHGHGHJGHGH11111:2guns::2guns::2guns::2 guns::2guns:


Whoops.......... peace n love n stuff :wari:

Hmmm.... maybe would be keen to scab a ride on a 230 if anyone out there has one??

[B0000M]

I have ridden a 150, this was before I got my 230....... I found it to be too small and gutless, not as reliable and steady as the 230 was for me.


did your ride the 150f or the 150r?

[Sammikins]

did your ride the 150f or the 150r?

just the 150f... was better than my drz but not enough to justify buying one, I'd grow out of it very quickly

[B0000M]

oh. i was asking buffstar

the 150f and 230f are the same bike arent they aside from the engine?

the 150r is a totally different bike alltogether than those 2

[Sammikins]

oh. i was asking buffstar

the 150f and 230f are the same bike arent they aside from the engine?

the 150r is a totally different bike alltogether than those 2

woops :shutup:

sat on a 230, it felt heaps taller than the 150

[scott411]

the CRF150F has 19" front and 16" rear wheels, and the CRF250 has 21 and 18's, they are a different chassis completly between the two,

[Sammikins]

the CRF150F has 19" front and 16" rear wheels, and the CRF250 has 21 and 18's, they are a different chassis completly between the two,

but what about the 230?

[crfchick]

Hey CRFChick!!!!!

hows your decision going re: which bike you gonna burn off into the sunset on?

I have ridden a 150, this was before I got my 230....... I found it to be too small and gutless, not as reliable and steady as the 230 was for me.

I have only met you one time, and you did not seem to be that much smaller in stature to me (not like our wee friend Midget LOL!!) So dont know that a 150 would be suited to you?

Personally I went from my lovely, reliable, user friendly CRF230 to a wanky barstardy hard to start - easy to stall CRF250R........ I would not recommend you go that way if you are not confidant in yourself and your abilities....... My Ego is almost as large as my mouth - and I have found it a very frustrating struggle at times!!! (Poor old Ego finds it hard you see when things go up shit creek :no:)

My genuine advice to you would be hang on to ya 230 until you are ready to GO F*&^KN HARD!!!! tis a great bike for building your confidance and experiance on - when you get to the stage where the power is not enuf ....... get a 250 or......... GET A PERM :laugh:
Thanks for the advise Buffy!! I'm curious also if you rode the 150F or 150R?
I adore my 230, rode it on the weekend and it went perfectly, is a great bike for me apart from being heavy! I sat on a 150R in the shop and it seems to be the same height as the 230...with any luck will get to test ride one soon (fingers crossed!!)
The 230's are lovely user friendly bikes arent they?!
How did you find the 250's weight wise though Buffy?

[cheese]

but what about the 230?

don't get a 230, they are pretty shit. Don't get me wrong, good reliable bike, but you can't set up the suspension at all and you get drum rear brakes. FFS drum brakes!! welcome to 1970 technology!

Just get a 85 in whatever colour you like the best and ride the wheels off it!

[scott411]

but what about the 230?


sorry i ment the 230 has the 21 and 18" wheels

[B0000M]

sorry i ment the 230 has the 21 and 18" wheels

it does? i thought they were smaller...(im probably wrong) i know the 250x has 21 / 18

[Midget200]

don't get a 230, they are pretty shit. Don't get me wrong, good reliable bike, but you can't set up the suspension at all and you get drum rear brakes. FFS drum brakes!! welcome to 1970 technology!

Just get a 85 in whatever colour you like the best and ride the wheels off it!

I'd have to agree, the 85, when I get use to the lack of lower end power and use the clutch more, it will be nearly the perfect bike. Wish I could change the wheels but Scott has let me know that won't work, so I'll just suck that bit in! The 85 went well on the Women's Ironman, loved it around the tight stuff. Picking it up is a breeze, can get yourself out of any problems! On the open stuff it goes for it! Gets bogged down in the deep sand, but if you're short you have to compromise and learn to 'ride' it better!

I tried the Honda 230 and felt it didn't have much more power than the 140. Tried the Yamaha version, same problem, heavy and not that much more power. Well that's my 2 cents worth.

[oldguy]

No one game enough to say it so I will, what about the KDX 200 its got just about all you are looking for. A&R's daughter went from the CRF230 to a KDX200
they are designed as a trail/endro bike, so coming from the 230 you will have no trouble adapting, it's easy too ride, light, plenty of power, and not too shabby on an MX track, where as going the MX bike way, your going to have to change a little of your riding style for the way the bike is setup.
I don't know you, so Im not too sure if the seat hight would be a problem, but I think they can be lowered.
I can say this with out prejudice, as I don't own one, but i think it is at least worth considering.
Have a chat with ether, Scott, Clmintie, or A&R

Cheers John.

[B0000M]

No one game enough to say it so I will, what about the KDX 200 .

trouble is they are still heavy, which for the smaller ladies seems to be the biggest issue, - they cant pick a 100+ kg bike up once theyve had a couple of crashes, this is where the 65~ kg 85's win that 35kg makes a BIG difference

[scott411]

Booom does have a point here, they are a fair bit lighter than a CRF230, but a fair bit heavier than a 85,

is worth considering tho if you want something a bit bigger than an 85cc, they are fairly easy to lower if height is an issue,

[oldguy]

trouble is they are still heavy, which for the smaller ladies seems to be the biggest issue, - they cant pick a 100+ kg bike up once theyve had a couple of crashes, this is where the 65~ kg 85's win that 35kg makes a BIG difference
Cheers for that, didn't relies,:doh:

[Midget200]

Booom does have a point here, they are a fair bit lighter than a CRF230, but a fair bit heavier than a 85,

is worth considering tho if you want something a bit bigger than an 85cc, they are fairly easy to lower if height is an issue,

Yeah CRF Chick that's a thought! They're quite mellow, although they're a 2 stroke. I've ridden one and liked it! I would definitely consider one if I wasn't 5 foot nothing! They can be lowered, but just not that much. Yeah add that to your list! That was actually the nicest bike I've ever ridden! Good power, lighter than the 250. You're not that short, so it could be lowered to fit you! I think, without having much knowledge of course. It would be less maintenance than the 150!

[SpikedPunch]

Yeah CRF Chick that's a thought! They're quite mellow, although they're a 2 stroke. I've ridden one and liked it! I would definitely consider one if I wasn't 5 foot nothing! They can be lowered, but just not that much. Yeah add that to your list! That was actually the nicest bike I've ever ridden! Good power, lighter than the 250. You're not that short, so it could be lowered to fit you! I think, without having much knowledge of course. It would be less maintenance than the 150!

Yup, the KDX is a cool bike! If they made them in a small size, I'd have one. I really like krad's. I think the little 100 is more nimble in the tight stuff (for me, cause I can manhandle it a bit more), but the kdx has nice smooth power and kicks my 100's bum on the open stuff! Admittedly the littler bike wins for me cause of the weight, but that's just what's important to me in a bike, cause I crash lots. If I didn't crash so much a heavier bike might be ok! I can pick up a kdx alright at 5'1" (would just prefer not to), anyone with a bit more leg leverage would be sweet probably.

[vr4king]

Well this may have no barring what so ever in your decision but heres where i stand

Im just a tad under 5.4ft and have never weighed more than 59kgs(yes i am built like jockey)

I think picking up a bike is more technique as opposed to pure strengh
My father used to ride big heavy ass road bikes and i could always manage to pick these up(yes he used to get me to ride them dont ask)

My only real gripe is the damm seat height on these modern bikes,But hey look at Ricky Carmicheal the guy is also 5ft fuck all and well he sure knows how to ride a bike doesnt he

I think you just gotta ride what you feel comfortable on just as importent what your budget allows(a broken bike that you cant afford to fix is no fun)

If it was me personally i certianly wouldn't discredit a 2 stroke just cause of there supposedly "hit" its a myth you just get used to it after that anything before the pipe just isnt fun hehehehe plus they like to be abused so do it when i realised that my clutch on my cr125 is only there to be beaten it made for soooo much more fun riding

just my 5c............Oh I still like 150r hahahaha they are just down right cool

[Reckless]

Everything in the last few posts still brings me round to a KX100 for my daughters next bike. Slightly higher seat height, more torque, low end power, more power overall so if you mellow it out it will still pull ok, disk brakes, good suspension nice and light, bigger wheels.
Quite frankly I'd rather buy a fly wheel weight and a pipe for an imported 08 KX100 than shag about maintaining a crf150R every ride. We had a KX85 it was to much of a fire eater. Even if I have to get one in or buy an 04 model here be cheaper in the long run for a better suited bike. Someone please convince me I'm wrong? LOL!!!

[SpikedPunch]

Everything in the last few posts still brings me round to a KX100 for my daughters next bike. Slightly higher seat height, more torque, low end power, more power overall so if you mellow it out it will still pull ok, disk brakes, good suspension nice and light, bigger wheels.
Quite frankly I'd rather buy a fly wheel weight and a pipe for an imported 08 KX100 than shag about maintaining a crf150R every ride. We had a KX85 it was to much of a fire eater. Even if I have to get one in or buy an 04 model here be cheaper in the long run for a better suited bike. Someone please convince me I'm wrong? LOL!!!
If we're out at the sandpit at the same time she can give mine a spin, I don't have a fww though. May get one in the future, was planning on it originally just have found other less fun things to spend my hard earned on and sort of forgot about it :) Will get a pipe eventually too, just don't see the need just yet. Sure would be nice tho!

[scott411]

the KX100 is not really any mellower than an 85, just the power comes in a little earlier,

imo a flywheel weighted 85cc big wheel is a better trail ride bike than a std 100, a 100 with a flywheel weight is a bit better again,

and they are exactly the same size as a big wheel KX85,

[krad_nz]

SpikedPunch you're RM100/KX100 should be able to keep up my KDX once its got a pipe etc on it. Power to weight and all that.

[oldguy]

Well this may have no barring what so ever in your decision but heres where i stand

Im just a tad under 5.4ft and have never weighed more than 59kgs(yes i am built like jockey)

I think picking up a bike is more technique as opposed to pure strengh
My father used to ride big heavy ass road bikes and i could always manage to pick these up(yes he used to get me to ride them dont ask)

My only real gripe is the damm seat height on these modern bikes,But hey look at Ricky Carmicheal the guy is also 5ft fuck all and well he sure knows how to ride a bike doesnt he

I think you just gotta ride what you feel comfortable on just as importent what your budget allows(a broken bike that you cant afford to fix is no fun)

If it was me personally i certianly wouldn't discredit a 2 stroke just cause of there supposedly "hit" its a myth you just get used to it after that anything before the pipe just isnt fun hehehehe plus they like to be abused so do it when i realised that my clutch on my cr125 is only there to be beaten it made for soooo much more fun riding

just my 5c............Oh I still like 150r hahahaha they are just down right cool

I agree, a lot of picking up a bike is technique, and I too am short, struggle to get a leg over mine, and on tiptoes when stationary, once moving hight really doesn't come into it.

[oldguy]

CRF150R to be honest, seams a waste trail riding them,
They are better suited to an MX track, because of the maintenance side of things, you can get away with using the 2T because of cost.

But I love the sound of an MX four stroke, then again all my vehicles are loud thumpers :Punk:

[crfchick]

Ok! I will add the KDX200 to my list and do a bit more research on it! Thanks guys!!
Oh and slightly off topic, what is the technique to picking up a bike then? Any suggestions would be much appreciated!

[B0000M]

Ok! I will add the KDX200 to my list and do a bit more research on it! Thanks guys!!
Oh and slightly off topic, what is the technique to picking up a bike then? Any suggestions would be much appreciated!

well heres some things that spring to mind

i see people doing is trying to pick their bike up towards them. eg when its lying on the ground, they are standing at the wheels, reaching over it. this teqnique is best for making you tired, and also works well if you would like to drop your bike again whilst you lose balance.

another failed technique is picking it up from the other (correct) side- pick it up by the bars, you dont have much leverage picking it up from the seat region, and youre likely to snap bits off.

another one is if you're half way up a steep hill and have fallen off, dont try picking the bike up while its facing up the hill, youll probably just have it slide down the hill again. best bet is (if possible) semi lift it and get it so its facing across the hill, top side of the bike facing the top of the hill, then get on it, using you're upper leg for balance (this should be easy cos theres a fucken steep hill on your side) then turn and ride it back down - then start again on the hill. faster than last time :rockon:

if you do find yourself fallen off on a hill and the bike is lying downways - eg the bike is semi upside down; semi lift it and drag the front wheel so the bike is facing down the hill. then stand it up with the front brake on, and ride it down the hill, again try the hill again, but faster

[scott411]

ill add a bit to picking the bike up,

when picking it up by the bars, use both hands on the lower side of the bars, (closer to the ground) it lets you get your leverage lower, rather than trying to pick it up by both grips,

[crfchick]

Awesome advise! Thanks, I'll try to put this into practise the next time I crash off!!

[Reckless]

One of the adventure rider posted a vid about their girls and smaller rider picking up there big 690 adventure bikes.

It was to squat down backwards, put the small of your back into the seat, reverse your hands and grab the seat lip or anywhere you can and straighten your legs, then walk backwards till the bike reaches point of balance, turn and you have it. Sounds tricky but was really simple on the U tube vid.

Ah shit found it after typing that here goes

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Was going to teach it to my daughter just in case she got stuck anywhere out on her own with the 150f. Haha Might be good for you 450 riders as well :yes:

[tnarg]

Haha love the part where he says play dead and some one will stop to help.

[B0000M]

Haha love the part where he says play dead and some one will stop to help.

you would be amazed how many people wont. often on trails when ive been out with the mrs, ive let her go ahead then there will be plenty of riders between us, she will go down, get pinned under the bike, and nobody will have stopped by the time i get there.

i used to think almost all trailriders were good cunts who would stop to help another rider in need. i was mistaken

there is still a fairly good proportion that do want to stop and help.

oddly i find more people stop to try to offer me help than the mrs.... maybe theyre scared of girls?

[crfchick]

you would be amazed how many people wont. often on trails when ive been out with the mrs, ive let her go ahead then there will be plenty of riders between us, she will go down, get pinned under the bike, and nobody will have stopped by the time i get there.

i used to think almost all trailriders were good cunts who would stop to help another rider in need. i was mistaken
Yeah - especially when your back wheel is mostly submerged in sand! But after awhile usually a good samaratin comes along and helps out (just have to be patient sometimes!).
Great vid clip - definately something else to keep in mind!

[vr4king]

Well they do have those NASTY girl germs..........

[Sammikins]

what's the difference between a kdx200 and a kx125? Cos i liked the height and feel of the kx125 but too scared of the powers

[B0000M]

what's the difference between a kdx200 and a kx125? Cos i liked the height and feel of the kx125 but too scared of the powers

heaps more mellow than a 125, another 10kg or so heavier though

[Garth55]

My x girlfriend had a cr 85r We only trail ride and play ride. I put a fly wheel weight on it and it made it alot more user friendly, but she still flipeds it all the time on decent hill climbs, so she traded up and got a crf 150r and she loves it, climbs anything now. Its just not as easy to start once they get hot. The 2 stroke only needs gear box changed every 6-8 hrs,and piston and rings every 80 hrs. The 4 stroke needs gearbox oil, motor oil and oil filter changed 6-8 hrs,plus valves adjusted every 20-30 hrs, piston and rings approx 60-80rs for trail riding. Hope this is of some use for you, Good luck ;-)

[Sammikins]

My x girlfriend had a cr 85r We only trail ride and play ride. I put a fly wheel weight on it and it made it alot more user friendly, but she still flipeds it all the time on decent hill climbs, so she traded up and got a crf 150r and she loves it, climbs anything now. Its just not as easy to start once they get hot. The 2 stroke only needs gear box changed every 6-8 hrs,and piston and rings every 80 hrs. The 4 stroke needs gearbox oil, motor oil and oil filter changed 6-8 hrs,plus valves adjusted every 20-30 hrs, piston and rings approx 60-80rs for trail riding. Hope this is of some use for you, Good luck ;-)

See I'm not totally cool with the flipping thing. I like my neck not broken.

Thanks Garth that's good info...

[buffstar]

did your ride the 150f or the 150r?

Dude Im seriously not sure....... um I just swear like a guy.
I do know that it was in no way a 2 stroke - if that answers your question I'm doing really well


Thanks for the advise Buffy!! I'm curious also if you rode the 150F or 150R?
I adore my 230, rode it on the weekend and it went perfectly, is a great bike for me apart from being heavy! I sat on a 150R in the shop and it seems to be the same height as the 230...with any luck will get to test ride one soon (fingers crossed!!)
The 230's are lovely user friendly bikes arent they?!
How did you find the 250's weight wise though Buffy?

Yeah man i loved my 230, and sometimes when Im frustrated with the 250 i wish i hadnt sold it. but then............ when all is rocking on the 250 I feel like DA MAN!!! LOL AT ME!!!!!!
250 is way lighter like waaaay way lighter, more manouverable (query spelling) bootloads more power - which is scary at times but then reverts back to OH YEAH ME DA MAAAANNNNN :not:

[L Rider]

See I'm not totally cool with the flipping thing. I like my neck not broken.

Thanks Garth that's good info...

Sammy i have not flipped mine yet (touch wood) although i haven't done that many hills on it either. I've seen kids flip them on the flat so its always possible. You gotta learn throttle & clutch contol.

[L Rider]

My x girlfriend had a cr 85r We only trail ride and play ride. I put a fly wheel weight on it and it made it alot more user friendly, but she still flipeds it all the time on decent hill climbs, so she traded up and got a crf 150r and she loves it, climbs anything now. Its just not as easy to start once they get hot. The 2 stroke only needs gear box changed every 6-8 hrs,and piston and rings every 80 hrs. The 4 stroke needs gearbox oil, motor oil and oil filter changed 6-8 hrs,plus valves adjusted every 20-30 hrs, piston and rings approx 60-80rs for trail riding. Hope this is of some use for you, Good luck ;-)

It thawt piston & rings on the 85 was more often than 80 hours??? We were told around 40hrs

[B0000M]

Dude Im seriously not sure....... um I just swear like a guy.
I do know that it was in no way a 2 stroke - if that answers your question I'm doing really well


lol, the 150R goes like a cut cat, the 150f doesnt... 150R = race suspension, upside down forks, disc brakes etc

150f looks more like the 230

[B0000M]

It thawt piston & rings on the 85 was more often than 80 hours??? We were told around 40hrs

the book says sometihng like change them every 15 minutes.... leave them as long as you like and still have compression really

[B0000M]

Sammy i have not flipped mine yet (touch wood) although i haven't done that many hills on it either. I've seen kids flip them on the flat so its always possible. You gotta learn throttle & clutch contol.

come on, 8 year olds can do it, surely you can too!

theyre not scary like everyone who doesnt have one says.

go for a ride on one

[Garth55]

40 hrs if you are racing, Trail riding 60-80 hrs. Running at 40-to-1 ;-)

[L Rider]

40 hrs if you are racing, Trail riding 60-80 hrs. Running at 40-to-1 ;-)

Awesum thanks for that info mine should last longer than i had thought then:woohoo: I'm still learning to so the bike has far from been thrashed

[Garth55]

Just make sure you change your gearbox oil regularly. I change mine after every ride, I use castrol gtx 20w-50. You can get it from the warehouse. I use castrol power 1 tts racing oil for the pre mix, with fresh petrol at 40-1 . I change piston and rings at 80 hrs on my 250r ;-)

[buffstar]

lol, the 150R goes like a cut cat, the 150f doesnt... 150R = race suspension, upside down forks, disc brakes etc

150f looks more like the 230


okey dokey yep twas the f (for fucked) that I rode and man was it crap. My b/f was telling me the 150r is a mean as bike motox set up yeah? he also said it would piss all over my old 230 but would be going backwards for me..... size etc as i am not a wee girl.

BEST OF LUCK WITH YOUR DECISION CRFCHICK LOOK FOWARD TO HEARING WHAT FLAVOUR THE NEW ARRIVAL WILL BE :scooter: would be cool to catch up and ride with you again:wari:

[B0000M]

okey dokey yep twas the f (for fucked) that I rode and man was it crap. My b/f was telling me the 150r is a mean as bike motox set up yeah? he also said it would piss all over my old 230 but would be going backwards for me..... size etc as i am not a wee girl.

BEST OF LUCK WITH YOUR DECISION CRFCHICK LOOK FOWARD TO HEARING WHAT FLAVOUR THE NEW ARRIVAL WILL BE :scooter: would be cool to catch up and ride with you again:wari:

yeah he's right. the 150R is honda's replacement for the 85 2t seeing as they stupidly stopped making the 2 strokes.

if you're comfortable on a 250r then that is the best place for u!

[little.whittle]

Yes they do 125exc but its got a 985mm seat height 60mm taller than my 200exc at 925mm?? Far to tall for 99% of the people looking in this bracket!

Easy to fix.... get a lower step seat. the 125 sx is much lighter but has no stand and the suspension not so soft.

[little.whittle]

:2thumbsup
Yes they do 125exc but its got a 985mm seat height 60mm taller than my 200exc at 925mm?? Far to tall for 99% of the people looking in this bracket!

Easy to fix... get a lower step seat. the 125 sx is much lighter but has no stand and the suspension not so soft.

[quallman1234]

Did you buy one in the end?

Still gotta have a go on my kdx, ive cleaned up all the plastics, so it doesn't look soo nasty anymore.

[crfchick]

Did you buy one in the end?

Still gotta have a go on my kdx, ive cleaned up all the plastics, so it doesn't look soo nasty anymore.
Am still leaning towards the 150R, am keeping an eye out for a good deal now. Only concern is that the bike could be too short for me when standing on the pegs but I guess you get used to what you ride, dont you?
I'll take you up on that quallman, thanks! 2 strokes still scare the crap out of me though.

[TarshKTM125]

Am still leaning towards the 150R, am keeping an eye out for a good deal now. Only concern is that the bike could be too short for me when standing on the pegs but I guess you get used to what you ride, dont you?
I'll take you up on that quallman, thanks! 2 strokes still scare the crap out of me though.
You should try a 125 2st before you buy anything. I was shit scared of them before I tried one. You get used to the power and they are so light, easy to start and ride. I've done 250hrs on mine and had no major probs. As there is not as many moving parts as a 4st there is not much that will go wrong if you look after it. I have had a 4st and they are more expensive to maintain. You can have a go on mine if you are ever at the same ride.:scooter:

[SpikedPunch]

I would looove to try a 1252t but my 28" inseam disagrees :bleh:

[L Rider]

I would looove to try a 1252t but my 28" inseam disagrees :bleh:

Lol, you'll just hafta ride without being able to touch the ground!
One day i'll try John's - still too scared to though as i can only get the toes on one foot on the ground.

[crfchick]

You should try a 125 2st before you buy anything. I was shit scared of them before I tried one. You get used to the power and they are so light, easy to start and ride. I've done 250hrs on mine and had no major probs. As there is not as many moving parts as a 4st there is not much that will go wrong if you look after it. I have had a 4st and they are more expensive to maintain. You can have a go on mine if you are ever at the same ride.:scooter:
Thank you! I'd like that! Thing is I dont think I'm an aggressive enough/good enough rider to keep the bike in the powerband - I tend to just cruise along at trail rides! And most people I know down here ride 4 strokes so havent yet had the chance to have a go on a 2t.
Like I often say to Midget - wish I lived up your way!
P.s If you are ever down Welly/lower north island way I'd be really keen to get some training off you Tarsh. There's only so much I can learn from watching the guys ride, tehe!