Chappy happy with NZPC opinion to date on newer model fairings

[neil_cb125t]

Hello all newer fairing haters....

just had this from NZPCA today... My fairings will remain on the bike until NZPC have a different opinion.

We all know that its my fairings that are making me do so well:stupid:

see you at round 4

chappy


Hi Neil
, The fairing ruling is a hot topic at present for the time been I am
happy for you to run with your present body work and will keep you up to
date on any progress with the ruling. From Jason at NZPC

[motorcyclesonline.net]

:done:Well there you go then - all of that nonproductive time spent beating up the keyboard
Hopefully the "Fairing haters" will find someone/something else to pick on - like can I use those tyre valve caps that glow in the dark lol

Go hard Chappy




Hello all newer fairing haters....

just had this from NZPCA today... My fairings will remain on the bike until NZPC have a different opinion.

We all know that its my fairings that are making me do so well:stupid:

see you at round 4

chappy


Hi Neil
, The fairing ruling is a hot topic at present for the time been I am
happy for you to run with your present body work and will keep you up to
date on any progress with the ruling. From Jason at NZPC

[mossy1200]

Hello all newer fairing haters....

just had this from NZPCA today... My fairings will remain on the bike until NZPC have a different opinion.

We all know that its my fairings that are making me do so well:stupid:

see you at round 4

chappy


Hi Neil
, The fairing ruling is a hot topic at present for the time been I am
happy for you to run with your present body work and will keep you up to
date on any progress with the ruling. From Jason at NZPC

Thats cool Neil.Thought I might be next with excess pearls in my paint.

[JayRacer37]

You cheating bloody PC racers...Can't you just be happy with racing old piles of shite?!?!?

:shutup: :sunny:

[mossy1200]

You cheating bloody PC racers...Can't you just be happy with racing old piles of shite?!?!?

:shutup: :sunny:
Those who start with the bigest pile of shite end up with the most new parts via parts failure.Bits fail on mine between races in the garage.

[JayRacer37]

Thats a very apt point actually...And after all that, you could've just bought a new bike ;)

I'm keen to have another go on Dad's K100, that was fun :)

[RDjase]

Those who start with the bigest pile of shite end up with the most new parts via parts failure.Bits fail on mine between races in the garage.

I built mine up from my "best worst bits" great fun per dollar :Punk

[Billy]

Hi Neil
, The fairing ruling is a hot topic at present for the time been I am
happy for you to run with your present body work and will keep you up to
date on any progress with the ruling. From Jason at NZPC[/I]
Good on you for getting it sorted out through the proper channels.Now print it off and stick it in your toolbox and wave it in anybodys face that complains at the track.Theres nothing anybody can do about it if youve got written proof

[mossy1200]

I built mine up from my "best worst bits" great fun per dollar :Punk
Problem with mine is that at any time there is 15 parts on tardme that relist every week over and over.There just isnt bits around.My spare wheels had to come from US.I had the chance to buy complete spare bike 12 months ago for parts and have regretted not getting it ever since.

[roadracingoldfart]

I'm keen to have another go on Dad's K100, that was fun :)


You cheeky young buck
There is a new rule that says all cylinders must be across the frame so North South German shitters are banned , especially white one's, now go away .

[roadracingoldfart]

Hello all newer fairing haters....

just had this from NZPCA today... My fairings will remain on the bike until NZPC have a different opinion.

We all know that its my fairings that are making me do so well:stupid:

see you at round 4

chappy


Hi Neil
, The fairing ruling is a hot topic at present for the time been I am
happy for you to run with your present body work and will keep you up to
date on any progress with the ruling. From Jason at NZPC


At last , intelligence rules.:Punk:

[gav]

Could you add some more detail regarding this thread? What was the issue at hand? What model bike was this concerning? Was this for just one bike in particular or an across the board concern? ie are fairings not allowed in PC racing? Wasnt it they were only ok if the production model had fairings fitted standard? Some more info please, thanks!

[mossy1200]

Could you add some more detail regarding this thread? What was the issue at hand? What model bike was this concerning? Was this for just one bike in particular or an across the board concern? ie are fairings not allowed in PC racing? Wasnt it they were only ok if the production model had fairings fitted standard? Some more info please, thanks!
Neils tail fairing was on the upper limit of fancy pants for pre89 but seems to have squeezed below the tolerance line of being an over blingy thingy.

[sharky]

Who was protesting......? I'm guessing it was AJ Hahahahaa.

[Shaun]

Could you add some more detail regarding this thread? What was the issue at hand? What model bike was this concerning? Was this for just one bike in particular or an across the board concern? ie are fairings not allowed in PC racing? Wasnt it they were only ok if the production model had fairings fitted standard? Some more info please, thanks!


no names from me Gav, but a snivly whinging person protested him over his fairings in the pre class at a winter series:2guns: Tosser complete he is!!!

PS, if I just lost a customer, GOOD

[sidecar bob]

Who wants to watch a post classic race where most of the bikes look 3 years old? Bit like watching pre '65 cars & seeing an '08 mondeo cleaning up, even if it is a '65 Anglia underneath.
The car guys are very paticular about the image of their vehicles, mostly to keep the public interested.
It will be your guys fault if your fans lose interest in your class & wander off.

[Benk]

Who wants to watch post classic race where most of the bikes look 3 years old? Bit like watching pre '65 cars & seeing a '08 mondeo cleaning up, even if it is a '65 Anglia underneath.
The car guys are very paticular about the image of their vehicles, mostly to keep the public interested.
It will be your guys fault if your fans lose interest in your class & wander off.

I tend to agree. Its more about the keeping in the spirit of the class than anything. That said, Im glad Neil didnt get penalised for it, as its pretty petty stuff.

[Yow Ling]

It will be your guys fault if your fans lose interest in your class & wander off.

Wow Post Classics has fans !!

[Benk]

Wow Post Classics has fans !!

Only the guys racing in it :third:

[sidecar bob]

Wow Post Classics has fans !!

Maybe not, & it certainly wont gain any if people cant work out what they are watching.
Go to the classic festival in February & see what kind of following they get with excellent & strictly enforced rules.

[Peter Smith]

Maybe not, & it certainly wont gain any if people cant work out what they are watching.
Go to the classic festival in February & see what kind of following they get with excellent & strictly enforced rules.

Yeah, I see your point.
I suppose a Manx Norton would look out of place with a Yamaha R1 fairing, or a fairing off the norton rotory race bike of a few years ago:laugh:

[codgyoleracer]

Who wants to watch a post classic race where most of the bikes look 3 years old? Bit like watching pre '65 cars & seeing an '08 mondeo cleaning up, even if it is a '65 Anglia underneath.
The car guys are very paticular about the image of their vehicles, mostly to keep the public interested.
It will be your guys fault if your fans lose interest in your class & wander off.

Interesting point & quite valid me thinks. Fully understand young Neil not wanting to change his fairings between PC & F3 races at a winter club fun meet though !.
Did the agrieved person not wish to talk to you one on one about it Neil ?

I suspect that in a Posties dedicated only meeting - the " look" of the machine may rise in importance ?
Cheers
Glen

[neil_cb125t]

Ha - cheating.... never.

I wonder when the last time an old piece of shit was leading F3?? and in contention for both F3 and a post classics title.....

Must be a great piece of shit!!


You cheating bloody PC racers...Can't you just be happy with racing old piles of shite?!?!?

:shutup: :sunny:

[neil_cb125t]

Basically when someone runs newer shaped fairings on a posties bike for 3 years - people get angry when you start to win... and beat PC SNRs.......

NO its the start to a tighter set of rules- sorry tighter monitoring of the rules.

Some people have been cheating - and then there is is people like myself that have a full blown ZXR400h1 with all the pre 89 bits. I just happen to have 03 fairings on it, as it doesn't look old and shit people thought its against the rules....


Could you add some more detail regarding this thread? What was the issue at hand? What model bike was this concerning? Was this for just one bike in particular or an across the board concern? ie are fairings not allowed in PC racing? Wasnt it they were only ok if the production model had fairings fitted standard? Some more info please, thanks!

[mossy1200]

I like your fairings Neil but unfortunatly I will try lap you in round 5.LOL

[neil_cb125t]

So would no one watch if the class had the V1000 britten in it, as it was produced pre 89... or an RC30.. or a Cagiva 500... an ELF with single sided swing arms on the back and the front!! all bikes that look like mine and go like stink??

also how many young guys do you see racing in classics?? And when we turn up we get it from all angles from the likes of this post. Once again ive run my bike with these fairings all over the country for 3 years, only when i beat the favourites or locals or who ever do people speak up.....

Also the Classic nortons, triumphs racers build there OWN frames..... is that of the era?? were the steels and construction methods the same 40 years ago - and does that give people an advantage??

some people like to have there bikes look old - some do not. If it doesnt give me an advantage then so....... its RACING not a bike show.




Who wants to watch a post classic race where most of the bikes look 3 years old? Bit like watching pre '65 cars & seeing an '08 mondeo cleaning up, even if it is a '65 Anglia underneath.
The car guys are very paticular about the image of their vehicles, mostly to keep the public interested.
It will be your guys fault if your fans lose interest in your class & wander off.

[neil_cb125t]

I have never had someone speak to me - ive had people bash me on KB, complain to Warren Wagner about me and complain to the NZPCA about me.

In round 2 i had my garage closely looked at by 3 40year olds who didnt introduce themselves, they looked at my bike then left.

I contacted the NZPCA in May to get an offical clarification on my fairings - as the honus is on me!!

I am glad that this will cease ( it has been stupidly over the top ) and i can focus on riding.

I want the big tick so i can go to a classics meeting - dont want to go to taupo or hampton and be turned away!!


Interesting point & quite valid me thinks. Fully understand young Neil not wanting to change his fairings between PC & F3 races at a winter club fun meet though !.
Did the agrieved person not wish to talk to you one on one about it Neil ?

I suspect that in a Posties dedicated only meeting - the " look" of the machine may rise in importance ?
Cheers
Glen

[neil_cb125t]

Its good to know its not me that thinks its stupid!!

cheers shaun!!

no names from me Gav, but a snivly whinging person protested him over his fairings in the pre class at a winter series:2guns: Tosser complete he is!!!

PS, if I just lost a customer, GOOD

[quickbuck]

Interesting point & quite valid me thinks. Fully understand young Neil not wanting to change his fairings between PC & F3 races at a winter club fun meet though !.
Did the agrieved person not wish to talk to you one on one about it Neil ?

I suspect that in a Posties dedicated only meeting - the " look" of the machine may rise in importance ?
Cheers
Glen

Thing is.... the pit crew can be VERY busy between races... especially if one is Red Flagged!!!!!
So, yup I don't want to be swapping fairings.

Neil is right, same plastic he has had for 3 years.. different Bog in it though...
It is just that we are now at the front, and the bike looks much better prepped ;) that people notice.....

Is that enough trumpet blowing there Neil?

[JayRacer37]

You cheeky young buck
There is a new rule that says all cylinders must be across the frame so North South German shitters are banned , especially white one's, now go away .

Thats the other trouble with PC people, they all want to build rules to outlaw threat bikes that arn't theirs!!!

Eh Chappy? :)

[Drew]

I was gutted the war pig wasn't allowed to wear the front end ouot of an 89 zxr750

[Peter Smith]

Basically when someone runs newer shaped fairings on a posties bike for 3 years - people get angry when you start to win... and beat PC SNRs.......

NO its the start to a tighter set of rules- sorry tighter monitoring of the rules.

Some people have been cheating - and then there is is people like myself that have a full blown ZXR400h1 with all the pre 89 bits. I just happen to have 03 fairings on it, as it doesn't look old and shit people thought its against the rules....

Just to clarify a few things to everyone, the pre'89 class was only officially recognised by the MNZ last year. Over the previous years each club has basically run their own rules.
Now that it is an official class the rules will need to start being enforced.
There will be a few issues to bring all the bikes into line with the rules and some time will be allowed for this.
But at the end of the day it is a period racing class, and it is more about the bikes resembling bikes of that era.
I doubt the compliants were regarding performance benifits of the later model fairings, as Chappy's bike would be just as quick with the original fairings, or with none at all.
I have the utmost respect for what Neil has done to his bike and his riding skills and I look forward to chasing him around Manfield at round 5.

[sidecar bob]

So would no one watch if the class had the V1000 britten in it, as it was produced pre 89... or an RC30.. or a Cagiva 500... an ELF with single sided swing arms on the back and the front!! all bikes that look like mine and go like stink??

also how many young guys do you see racing in classics?? And when we turn up we get it from all angles from the likes of this post. Once again ive run my bike with these fairings all over the country for 3 years, only when i beat the favourites or locals or who ever do people speak up.....

Also the Classic nortons, triumphs racers build there OWN frames..... is that of the era?? were the steels and construction methods the same 40 years ago - and does that give people an advantage??

some people like to have there bikes look old - some do not. If it doesnt give me an advantage then so....... its RACING not a bike show.

Its the old story, nobody notices until you start winning, i am very aware of this & bulid my machines accordingly, because i regularly win.
And, yes, if classic stuff is presented to appear nearer original, people can identify with it & will become interested in the class.
Young people that race classics?? Heard of Sam Smith Nick Cole or La Salle Carr?

[RDjase]

Problem with mine is that at any time there is 15 parts on tardme that relist every week over and over.There just isnt bits around.My spare wheels had to come from US.I had the chance to buy complete spare bike 12 months ago for parts and have regretted not getting it ever since.

I know what its like finding parts mate, i bought my 1st LC 16 years ago and have bought another 4 since then. I have finally got enough (just about) mint bits to do a restore on my 1st LC. The race bike has been thru the wars and i cant see that changing :laugh:
I will keep a eye out for FZR parts or a dead bike.

Are you racing round 4 on saturday?

[Sparky Bills]

Its great that you can keep your fairings.
But Neil you must understand where some peoples comments are coming from.
Not the whole newer fairings make you fast crap, but the wanting to keep postie bikes looking like they were back in the day comments.

Im not on their side you know that, but dont feel they are attacking you when you read/hear comments about that.

[mossy1200]

I know what its like finding parts mate, i bought my 1st LC 16 years ago and have bought another 4 since then. I have finally got enough (just about) mint bits to do a restore on my 1st LC. The race bike has been thru the wars and i cant see that changing :laugh:
I will keep a eye out for FZR parts or a dead bike.

Are you racing round 4 on saturday?
Ill be there as per the norm.I do have good collection now but i am regretting not buying a second race fzr when I had the chance because buying new discs and carb parts would have paid for it alone.Plus I would have had third set rims for intermediate tyres.LOL

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Some parts like fairings are hard to find and very expensive so I can understand people adapting what they can find at a good price.Getting inventive with old technology is also part of racing.Double bracing frames,400/600 fzrs,7/11 bike conversions are other examples of major upgrades that get grey in some rules.We have a rule that says original motor castings so is a 400/600 fzr a 400 or 600 cause if its 600 then it should have 600 swingarm and front forks etc.If its a 400 then it should have 400 engine castings.
Some people look at the leaders trying to explain the reason they do well as cheating,others enjoy conflict and some believe that Neils bike is not the correct shape.Now that Neil has permission to use the tail then personal opinion is all these people have(which they are entitled have)but lets face it if we lined all the pre89 bikes up more than one will have later model tail cones.

People dont come to see pre89 unless you meen my wife cause shes a champ.
People do come to see *fast laps aka 2.03 longtrack on smaller bike.
*misfortune aka outa gas last lap while winning
*thrills and spills aka handstand high side

Now who is creating interest?What do you think average spectators will remember about Neil and his bike when they leave the track?

Saying this I do like the look of my bike but exact replica bike meens less than trick bits hiding under the covers.(Not directed at any bike and no knowledge of any cheating but just hope its not going on).

On a happy note. Few more sleeps . Good luck to all .

[RDjase]

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Some parts like fairings are hard to find and very expensive so I can understand people adapting what they can find at a good price.Getting inventive with old technology is also part of racing.Double bracing frames,400/600 fzrs,7/11 bike conversions are other examples of major upgrades that get grey in some rules.We have a rule that says original motor castings so is a 400/600 fzr a 400 or 600 cause if its 600 then it should have 600 swingarm and front forks etc.If its a 400 then it should have 400 engine castings.


I have recently bought a VJ21 RGV250, 8/89 build date, the engine needs work(as expected) and i did have plans a fitting a RZ350 engine with some flat sides and chambers, Yammagammas got built in that era(with RG 250 tho)

Is this an allowed modification since all the parts are pre89?

Or does it work out that its not? like with the USDs only allowed on ZXRs because they were the only bike of that era fitted with them, not fitted to any other pre 89 bike

See you on Saturday:niceone:

[mossy1200]

I have recently bought a VJ21 RGV250, 8/89 build date, the engine needs work(as expected) and i did have plans a fitting a RZ350 engine with some flat sides and chambers, Yammagammas got built in that era(with RG 250 tho)

Is this an allowed modification since all the parts are pre89?

Or does it work out that its not? like with the USDs only allowed on ZXRs because they were the only bike of that era fitted with them, not fitted to any other pre 89 bike

See you on Saturday:niceone:
This is the grey bit cause one rule is original motor castings.RZ350 motor and castings by my interp means you are building rz350 therefore you must have rz forks and rz swingarm.the casting rule is strict and the fork rule is model specific and swingarm should be stock.How can it be within the rules.
If you had 7/11 then you could claim that people raced 7/11 bikes in or before 89 which is likely that would make your bike a hybrid pre89 replica etc but I think you would struggle to find a rz350/rgv250 bike that raced in or before 1989.This is where it is up to the rider to prove that it complies.If you have doubt contact someone who can confirm it for you and let them know what you intend to do.
Im no authority and what i see in a competition rule book is not what the next person will see but your build seems outside the rules as I read them.

[neil_cb125t]

yep i suppose cause im new to that story ( picked on cause now doing well ) it a bit of a shock....

ill take things away...

but leave the arguments for the track....


Its the old story, nobody notices until you start winning, i am very aware of this & bulid my machines accordingly, because i regularly win.
And, yes, if classic stuff is presented to appear nearer original, people can identify with it & will become interested in the class.
Young people that race classics?? Heard of Sam Smith Nick Cole or La Salle Carr?

[neil_cb125t]

The peoples to speak to are NZPCA - they are the highest auth on this stuff
They are pretty busy so can take a while to get back to you- but if you have answer form them then your in the clear!!

which feels great!!


I have recently bought a VJ21 RGV250, 8/89 build date, the engine needs work(as expected) and i did have plans a fitting a RZ350 engine with some flat sides and chambers, Yammagammas got built in that era(with RG 250 tho)

Is this an allowed modification since all the parts are pre89?

Or does it work out that its not? like with the USDs only allowed on ZXRs because they were the only bike of that era fitted with them, not fitted to any other pre 89 bike

See you on Saturday:niceone:

[quickbuck]

Its great that you can keep your fairings.
But Neil you must understand where some peoples comments are coming from.
Not the whole newer fairings make you fast crap, but the wanting to keep postie bikes looking like they were back in the day comments.

Im not on their side you know that, but dont feel they are attacking you when you read/hear comments about that.

With you on this one too.....
Looking at it, it isn't too hard at the end of the day.

Just need to get the bike in to the "Skin Gods" for a day or two....

Amazing how many Structural fasteners are no longer fit for use on aircraft......
I have access to the plastic, and the paint job won't take long....
We can make it look 1989 ZXR again, no worries there...
Will look better than brand new, but that is called presentation ;)

Truth is, Neil thinks he has got enough out of the boys when it comes to the bike....
I have only scratched the surface!!!
People are prepared to help the Sarge out too :)

[neil_cb125t]

Yeah i agree - you know me - i never oevr react....

i dont really like people telling me im driving people away from watching..... funny how this is all at club level!!

ill take it witha grain of salt.... and leave the scraps to be done on the track :2guns:


Its great that you can keep your fairings.
But Neil you must understand where some peoples comments are coming from.
Not the whole newer fairings make you fast crap, but the wanting to keep postie bikes looking like they were back in the day comments.

Im not on their side you know that, but dont feel they are attacking you when you read/hear comments about that.

[neil_cb125t]

:Hahaha yeah matey exactly thou i have some sim problems in F3....

maybe i need to go back to street stock - all the bikes were the same and standard.............:blink::blink:<_<<_<:no::no:

how you been anyway dude - havent seen you for ever!!!


Thats the other trouble with PC people, they all want to build rules to outlaw threat bikes that arn't theirs!!!

Eh Chappy? :)

[quickbuck]

i dont really like people telling me im driving people away from watching..... funny how this is all at club level!!


Good point....
Great VMCC has a crowd TO drive away......

Nationals on the other hand.... :whistle:

[roadracingoldfart]

Thats the other trouble with PC people, they all want to build rules to outlaw threat bikes that arn't theirs!!!

Eh Chappy? :)


Thats because we are all cheats , harden up Young Jeddi , You should know all about legal bikes , you dunn proddy racing lol .:shutup:


waits for a proddy rider to claim innocence

[RDjase]

This is the grey bit cause one rule is original motor castings.RZ350 motor and castings by my interp means you are building rz350 therefore you must have rz forks and rz swingarm.the casting rule is strict and the fork rule is model specific and swingarm should be stock.How can it be within the rules.
If you had 7/11 then you could claim that people raced 7/11 bikes in or before 89 which is likely that would make your bike a hybrid pre89 replica etc but I think you would struggle to find a rz350/rgv250 bike that raced in or before 1989.This is where it is up to the rider to prove that it complies.If you have doubt contact someone who can confirm it for you and let them know what you intend to do.
Im no authority and what i see in a competition rule book is not what the next person will see but your build seems outside the rules as I read them.

I will find my MNZ rule book and read the NZPCRA rules as well

Plan B , still do the yammagamma but as my new road bike (get rid of my Ducati) and finish my 87 TZR250 1KT as my pre 89 bike:2thumbsup

another question please, TZ250 ,1986 with RZ350 engine, Same deal as with the RGV ? or ok because the poms were probably racing hybreds TZ/RZ pre89

[mossy1200]

I will find my MNZ rule book and read the NZPCRA rules as well

Plan B , still do the yammagamma but as my new road bike (get rid of my Ducati) and finish my 87 TZR250 1KT as my pre 89 bike:2thumbsup

another question please, TZ250 ,1986 with RZ350 engine, Same deal as with the RGV ? or ok because the poms were probably racing hybreds TZ/RZ pre89
Its all about proving what your doing is matching what was done pre89 then your bike is a replica of a pre89 raced bike but the replica must include same swinger ,forks and shocks as the bike you are replicating.Thats my interp of the way the rules read for postclassic.But again Im no authority in the matter.
What I say means bugger all at the end of the day.
My biggest worry is that I will have to prove that the colours in my paintjob were avaliable in or before 1989.

Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups!

[quickbuck]

My biggest worry is that I will have to prove that the colours in my paintjob were avaliable in or before 1989.



Hell yeah those colours were available....
It isn't like it was black and white in 1989.....

[RDjase]

Its all about proving what your doing is matching what was done pre89 then your bike is a replica of a pre89 raced bike but the replica must include same swinger ,forks and shocks as the bike you are replicating.Thats my interp of the way the rules read for postclassic.But again Im no authority in the matter.
What I say means bugger all at the end of the day.
My biggest worry is that I will have to prove that the colours in my paintjob were avaliable in or before 1989.

Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups!

Cool, a mate(will hopefully be at manfeild on saturday) was/is planing the TZ/RZ(RD YPVS as he calls it since the poms didnt have RZs) I will get him to do the reasearch 1st, i think it should be OK as the poms did all sorts a Hybreds since they had so many classes. I will have to go thru some books i have , i think i remember a Stan Stephens race bike(with 68mm bore instead of 64) like that 1987ish. Hot 2stroke race bikes , gota love them aye:Punk:

[mossy1200]

Cool, a mate(will hopefully be at manfeild on saturday) was/is planing the TZ/RZ(RD YPVS as he calls it since the poms didnt have RZs) I will get him to do the reasearch 1st, i think it should be OK as the poms did all sorts a Hybreds since they had so many classes. I will have to go thru some books i have , i think i remember a Stan Stephens race bike(with 68mm bore instead of 64) like that 1987ish. Hot 2stroke race bikes , gota love them aye:Punk:
Do the resurch gather the proof but cover your arse by getting the ok before building.Look forward to seeing the little weapon.

[scracha]

It will be your guys fault if your fans lose interest in your class & wander off.

What fans? You been smoking crack or something? Fuck the fans....we're the ones spending the time/money and enjoying the racing. They can go to classic bike shows or watch car racing if the looks are so important to them.

[RDjase]

Do the resurch gather the proof but cover your arse by getting the ok before building.Look forward to seeing the little weapon.

Sweet as . when he gets to manfeild we will come over for a yak :Punk:

[mossy1200]

Hell yeah those colours were available....
It isn't like it was black and white in 1989.....
I never gave it any thought and in fact my painter mate painted it without my knowing the pearls were going in it at all and I wouldnt have given it any thought but after a win I gotta be carefull now.

[mossy1200]

What fans? You been smoking crack or something? Fuck the fans....we're the ones spending the time/money and enjoying the racing. They can go to classic bike shows or watch car racing if the looks are so important to them.

My wifes a fan.Im trying to encourage her to enjoy watching superbike so I can get me one.When this happens post classic will have no fan/fans again sorry.

[scracha]

My biggest worry is that I will have to prove that the colours in my paintjob were avaliable in or before 1989.
I'm not sure if you're bing sarcastic?

[Billy]

I never gave it any thought and in fact my painter mate painted it without my knowing the pearls were going in it at all and I wouldnt have given it any thought but after a win I gotta be carefull now.

Nup,Your safe,Pearl has been on the market since the 60s.Not that I think theyd be enforcing it anyway.Would they???

[scracha]

My wifes a fan.Im trying to encourage her to enjoy watching superbike so I can get me one.When this happens post classic will have no fan/fans again sorry.

You fell or that story? She told me she only comes to watch the shexy shappel brothers.

[mossy1200]

I'm not sure if you're bing sarcastic?
It was brought to my attention that my bike changed colour in the light in jest by another posty senior after winning my first race.It just seemed ironic the timing of the ribbing I received about something a little different to what I had in the prior round.Even a word said in jest can show a change in mindset when anything more than a personal achievement is met.

[mossy1200]

You fell or that story? She told me she only comes to watch the shexy shappel brothers.
Constantly I am reminded how shexy I USED to be......Almost Shappel like in my early days.

[roadracingoldfart]

I have a theory




I pre date the class by a long way so if my bike is slightly out of regulatory status i outweigh the differance with my age so im sweet , anything goes.:no:
As long as we all keep our outdated haircuts and wear flared jeans nobody can deny we are purists. <_<

[sidecar bob]

What fans? You been smoking crack or something? Fuck the fans....we're the ones spending the time/money and enjoying the racing. They can go to classic bike shows or watch car racing if the looks are so important to them.

"Me me me me me" & id assumed you were reasonably intelligent up until now.

[Kickaha]

"Me me me me me" & id assumed you were reasonably intelligent up until now.

Obviously as with so many things in life you were wrong:shifty:

[codgyoleracer]

I have a theory




I pre date the class by a long way so if my bike is slightly out of regulatory status i outweigh the differance with my age so im sweet , anything goes.:no:
As long as we all keep our outdated haircuts and wear flared jeans nobody can deny we are purists. <_<

,,,,,And Dont forget the mullet hairdoo

[scracha]

"Me me me me me" & id assumed you were reasonably intelligent up until now.

No, :stupid: Do you seriously anticipate lots of money heading in the direction of post classic racing from fans and sponsors? If so then I'll gladly ensure my bike is painted cocktail pink, my boots are pearl white and my head is adorned with a shite old bell Helmet. Otherwise myself and the rest of the field will continue racing for our own benefit.

[sidecar bob]

No, :stupid: Do you seriously anticipate lots of money heading in the direction of post classic racing from fans and sponsors? If so then I'll gladly ensure my bike is painted cocktail pink, my boots are pearl white and my head is adorned with a shite old bell Helmet. Otherwise myself and the rest of the field will continue racing for our own benefit.

Oh dear. :stupid: Why do you think the Taupo Road Race Spectacular entry price is so low you selfish weirdo??? Because it is being subsidised by the gate take of the spectators that you dont seem to need.
If you & all other competitors would like to enclose a cheque for aproximately double the entry fee this year im sure Scrivy could organise for the spectator gate to be locked on your behalf.
Actually, maybe your class could be canned altogether this year instead, seeing as its non benificial to the gate take.

[scracha]

Taupo Road Race Spectacular entry price is so low you selfish weirdo???

Selfish Weirdo....have you been stalking me or something?



Because it is being subsidised by the gate take of the spectators that you dont seem to need.

Fair enough. But perhaps we're not discussing the same thing. You're referring to what in my opinion, is NZ's best event. I'm referring to club racing. If the Nationals can't attract paying spectators then the clubs are already on the back-foot. As I believe you've intonated before, better promotion, non bike racing forms of entertainment and better facilities are pretty high on the list of "to dos" to get payihg spectators, TV cameras and sponsors. "Period" looking motorcycles surely can't be that high on the list?



Actually, maybe your class could be canned altogether this year instead, seeing as its non benificial to the gate take.
That's your perogative. Nobody expects you guys to endure whopping great losses every year and if having more F1/F2/etc helps balalance the books then guys in "loss making" classes like mine would understand why.

[sidecar bob]

Do you seriously anticipate lots of money heading in the direction of post classic racing from fans and sponsors?

With the attitude that is being displayed by the class competitors, absolutely not.

[Deano]

I wonder when the last time an old piece of shit was leading F3??


Probably before GW came on the scene on his girl's commuter.




Must be a great piece of shit!!

Not to take anything away from your obvious riding skills but with more HP than a stock SV, upside down forks and dual opposing brake pistons, it's hardly a piece of shit is it ?

[scracha]

With the attitude that is being displayed by the class competitors, absolutely not.

Point taken. My bad.

[Str8 Jacket]

And Dont forget the mullet hairdoo

There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with a 'Mullet Hairdo'. I heard that the more overgrown your mullet is, the sexier you are! :yes:

[Deano]

There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with a 'Mullet Hairdo'. I heard that the more overgrown your mullet is, the sexier you are! :yes:

You heard ? Was that while he whispered sweet nothings into your ear ? !!!

[scracha]

Found some fairings that will comply Neil

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1129363966#post1129363966

[malcy25]

What fans? You been smoking crack or something? Fuck the fans....we're the ones spending the time/money and enjoying the racing. They can go to classic bike shows or watch car racing if the looks are so important to them.

Wonder why the Puke classic festival has the biggest gate of any 2 wheel event at Puke. The promotion they do well, but you still need a good underlying product....people come out of the woodwork once a year to go look at the old bikes.

I read earlier this year in AMCN that the comparable event at Phillip Island, which is a 2 hour drive from Melbourne had a gate of 18,000 spectators over the weekend. The 3rd largest 2 wheeled event there. Only the GP and superbikes were bigger. Must be something in it.

The rule bing quoted in Neil's case is about keeping the bikes looking like old bikes / bikes of the period. Might be Mutton dressed as Mutton, but I'd least I'd like to know it's Mutton and not lamb..... My personal view for what it is worth, if you want to ride a modern looking bike, go buy one. I thought S/C Bob said it best!

I've read reference to F3 vs Posties and changing body work between events? Why? Why not just build a bike which meets both classes? PC is more restrictive, so build to that.

Okay , next one - I've read a lot crap here about what you can and can't do and what you mix and match and most of it is crap sorry. Here's how it is and referencing some of the points raised and distilling the rules:
1) ZXR400 USD forks can only be used on ZXR400's.
2) If you were lucky to have something like an true 888 Corsa with period Ohlins / Aprilia 250 Vtwin GP bike with period White Power, Y4EIR with period Ohlins, ex Rainey/Magee/Spencer/McKenzie 1989 YZR500 with period Ohlin's, They can all run.
3) If you have a FZR400 and want to run ZXR 400 USD's - go away.
4) The major component rules require that all of the major components MUST come from the period or be exact replica's of. These are Forks, brakes (Calipers/Discs), Carbs, engine cases, swing arm, frame.
5) there is no rule which says that the a bike must use the engine from the same manufacturer as the frame, as the swing arm etc. Nor is there a rule which says that you can't squeeze a bigger engine (ie FZR400/600) In fact in Aussie I have seen a number of Honda's and Kwaka's with swing arms from a particular Suzuki. But I would hope that people would build something which is consistent with what was actually done in the period though. Nor am I advocating "bitza's" built with anything laying around. If Drew wants to Put RWU ZXR750H1 forks into something, that can be done.
6) Modifications: Can't remember the rule currently, but mods across all of this are allowed. ie frame bracing, etc etc. But it should be consistent with what was done in the period. Ie taking a GSXR750H and making it a beam frame ain't going to cut it!
7) Replica parts - can be used in any proportion. Shit, things wear out, get bent. Manufacturers stop making OEM replacements. But they must be consistent with the original in respective of look/feel, dimensions, materials. Ie a steel tube frame recreated in alloy...nope!!! I know Spondon built 10 replica TZ750 frames 2-3 years ago to get bikes running again where motors had come back out of sidecars and the original chassis was long gone. Which is better - 10 more big funky strokers in the world or 10 engines laying idle....what about guys who spnak their bike up big time and need a replacement frame for a model not made in 20 years?
8) Period go fast bits can be used. This ain't production racing so if you can get a works kit OW swing arm for your OW - cool!
9) if you want to put an '85 TZ250 fairing and seat on your RZ350 - is cool. Though I personally would like to see it looking more like the RZ it really is.
10) If someone bitches about your paint colour. Tell them HTFU and show them the road.
11) Carry over models, ie bikes made after the cut off. These can be used, but MUST be IDENTICAL to the legal model. Ie a ZXR400H is, a ZXR400L is not. Parts of an L which are Identical to the H parts are okay.

Contrary to popular opinion, the postie boys are not control freaks. It's all about keeping the class rules consistent with what the bikes were using in the period in terms of major components, and what they looked like. ie with reason, like the clock stopped at that point and being fair for everyone, and balance the underlying dynamic of the rules being preservation of the bikes as close as possible to what was being run at the time.

You could argue, if the rules are set correctly up front and truly represent what the world looked like, there is little need for any subsequent rule changes.... If that is something which a rider can not fit in or willing to work within, is Posties the right class for them?

Tall Poppy syndrome: Sorry to disappoint some riders, but I know any number of illegal bikes that have been targeted that have not been at the pointy end, once of which was probably usually running last. Most guys are interested in getting the bikes right for the class. Obviously if you win, or your bike is obviously different or special, it will get more looks and more eyes mean more chance for someone to see something they may think is not kosha.

By the way, for info, the Purple/Pink V1000 Britten with the carbon fork legs / funny front end was 91 from memory.....

and lastly GSXR7/11's were common in the states I think. But irrespective, is legal anyway as the rules stand.

As you were.

[scracha]

3) If you have a FZR400 and want to run ZXR 400 USD's - go away.


So nobody ran ZXR400 USD's on any other model "back in the day" ??

[malcy25]

So nobody ran ZXR400 USD's on any other model "back in the day" ??

Never gonna say never, But let me see. ZXR400's were only a year old when the cut off hit and were not imported by Kawasaki NZ into NZ. You do the maths...

But, more importantly the rule was written that way to stop every bike now getting ZXR400 USD forks, whether they are CBX250's to FZR1000's, when it just never ever happened that way at the time. (and it would happen)

USD forks are just not a common fixture in the age group 1983 to dec 31st 1989 and were still very leading edge at the time. ZXR's are allowed them because they were OEM.

It's easier to get in front now with a rule like that than back pedal later.

Why, have you got a stock of ZXR forks to sell?!!

[sidecar bob]

So nobody ran ZXR400 USD's on any other model "back in the day" ??

Its about entertainment at reasonable cost, plus a level playing feild. If you want to run USD's you could race a superbike.

[scracha]

Its about entertainment at reasonable cost, plus a level playing feild. If you want to run USD's you could race a superbike.

Surely allowing the 400's to run USD forks would help level the playing field?

Nope, not interested in upside downers myself. This is all good, just trying to get some clarification of what's not allowed.



Never gonna say never, But let me see. ZXR400's were only a year old when the cut off hit and were not imported by Kawasaki NZ into NZ. You do the maths...

So the "specials" such as GSXR7/11's that we can emulate have to have been done in New Zealand?

[malcy25]

Surely allowing the 400's to run USD forks would help level the playing field?

Nope, not interested in upside downers myself. This is all good, just trying to get some clarification of what's not allowed.


So the "specials" such as GSXR7/11's that we can emulate have to have been done in New Zealand?

Why do we need to "level the playing field" to make some piece of pox win a race when it otherwise would have never ever in it's day? Competition is hard, sort of a motorised darwin theory!! Just we have an end date here for the evolution process in this instance.

Despite what they teach at schools nowdays, someone has to lose and we can't all be winners.

I have to admit I like my kit too, but I think at times too many riders are magpies attracted to shiny bits. They need to just use what they have properly. Adding random kit won't make your bike faster. Proper Set up will...and I'm as guilty as anyone. New Ohlins shock, hmmm rider is the problem after all!

Interestingly question of the day, what was the first Honda road bike that had OEM fitted USD forks.....and what year.

Specials: No worldwide is fine. I was just using that as an example of the reality (ie little) of the likelihood of ZXR400 forks being used on other bikes en mass.

But the primary thing here is that the forks were excluded from everything else to stop them now being fitted when they essentailly never were and just creatinga distortion of the time space continuum!:shit: It'll suck Manfeild into a black hole otherwise!!

[neil_cb125t]

The britten raced at Daytona in 1990....... sorry but it did.

my bikes an H1 and ive been cleared to run my fairings.... if people have a problem........ build a posties bike ( what ever size, doesnt seem to matter :done:)and come have a play..... you need more than what youd expect - specally on long track.

I get me self all worked out over this stuff... bottom line more people see me doing ok on a PC bike hopefully they will spend money on legal mods ( like what ive done ) and get stuck into the posties scene!!



Wonder why the Puke classic festival has the biggest gate of any 2 wheel event at Puke. The promotion they do well, but you still need a good underlying product....people come out of the woodwork once a year to go look at the old bikes.

I read earlier this year in AMCN that the comparable event at Phillip Island, which is a 2 hour drive from Melbourne had a gate of 18,000 spectators over the weekend. The 3rd largest 2 wheeled event there. Only the GP and superbikes were bigger. Must be something in it.

The rule bing quoted in Neil's case is about keeping the bikes looking like old bikes / bikes of the period. Might be Mutton dressed as Mutton, but I'd least I'd like to know it's Mutton and not lamb..... My personal view for what it is worth, if you want to ride a modern looking bike, go buy one. I thought S/C Bob said it best!

I've read reference to F3 vs Posties and changing body work between events? Why? Why not just build a bike which meets both classes? PC is more restrictive, so build to that.

Okay , next one - I've read a lot crap here about what you can and can't do and what you mix and match and most of it is crap sorry. Here's how it is and referencing some of the points raised and distilling the rules:
1) ZXR400 USD forks can only be used on ZXR400's.
2) If you were lucky to have something like an true 888 Corsa with period Ohlins / Aprilia 250 Vtwin GP bike with period White Power, Y4EIR with period Ohlins, ex Rainey/Magee/Spencer/McKenzie 1989 YZR500 with period Ohlin's, They can all run.
3) If you have a FZR400 and want to run ZXR 400 USD's - go away.
4) The major component rules require that all of the major components MUST come from the period or be exact replica's of. These are Forks, brakes (Calipers/Discs), Carbs, engine cases, swing arm, frame.
5) there is no rule which says that the a bike must use the engine from the same manufacturer as the frame, as the swing arm etc. Nor is there a rule which says that you can't squeeze a bigger engine (ie FZR400/600) In fact in Aussie I have seen a number of Honda's and Kwaka's with swing arms from a particular Suzuki. But I would hope that people would build something which is consistent with what was actually done in the period though. Nor am I advocating "bitza's" built with anything laying around. If Drew wants to Put RWU ZXR750H1 forks into something, that can be done.
6) Modifications: Can't remember the rule currently, but mods across all of this are allowed. ie frame bracing, etc etc. But it should be consistent with what was done in the period. Ie taking a GSXR750H and making it a beam frame ain't going to cut it!
7) Replica parts - can be used in any proportion. Shit, things wear out, get bent. Manufacturers stop making OEM replacements. But they must be consistent with the original in respective of look/feel, dimensions, materials. Ie a steel tube frame recreated in alloy...nope!!! I know Spondon built 10 replica TZ750 frames 2-3 years ago to get bikes running again where motors had come back out of sidecars and the original chassis was long gone. Which is better - 10 more big funky strokers in the world or 10 engines laying idle....what about guys who spnak their bike up big time and need a replacement frame for a model not made in 20 years?
8) Period go fast bits can be used. This ain't production racing so if you can get a works kit OW swing arm for your OW - cool!
9) if you want to put an '85 TZ250 fairing and seat on your RZ350 - is cool. Though I personally would like to see it looking more like the RZ it really is.
10) If someone bitches about your paint colour. Tell them HTFU and show them the road.
11) Carry over models, ie bikes made after the cut off. These can be used, but MUST be IDENTICAL to the legal model. Ie a ZXR400H is, a ZXR400L is not. Parts of an L which are Identical to the H parts are okay.

Contrary to popular opinion, the postie boys are not control freaks. It's all about keeping the class rules consistent with what the bikes were using in the period in terms of major components, and what they looked like. ie with reason, like the clock stopped at that point and being fair for everyone, and balance the underlying dynamic of the rules being preservation of the bikes as close as possible to what was being run at the time.

You could argue, if the rules are set correctly up front and truly represent what the world looked like, there is little need for any subsequent rule changes.... If that is something which a rider can not fit in or willing to work within, is Posties the right class for them?

Tall Poppy syndrome: Sorry to disappoint some riders, but I know any number of illegal bikes that have been targeted that have not been at the pointy end, once of which was probably usually running last. Most guys are interested in getting the bikes right for the class. Obviously if you win, or your bike is obviously different or special, it will get more looks and more eyes mean more chance for someone to see something they may think is not kosha.

By the way, for info, the Purple/Pink V1000 Britten with the carbon fork legs / funny front end was 91 from memory.....

and lastly GSXR7/11's were common in the states I think. But irrespective, is legal anyway as the rules stand.

As you were.

[neil_cb125t]

Totally!! and if glen jumps on a RG150 after a leg was amputated id still have problems.... but would be ineresting to find out when the last F3 title was given to a posties bike......




Probably before GW came on the scene on his girl's commuter.





Not to take anything away from your obvious riding skills but with more HP than a stock SV, upside down forks and dual opposing brake pistons, it's hardly a piece of shit is it ?

Is someone regreting racing in a LIMITED PRODUCTION CLASS... you know if you raced in F3... you could do all these mods...:done:


Your right - id never call mine a piece of crap - but i do rub it in peoples faces ( specally 600 riders faces ) when i beat em!!:2guns:

[Peter Smith]

Your right - id never call mine a piece of crap - but i do rub it in peoples faces ( specally 600 riders faces ) when i beat em!!:2guns:

And 750 riders and don't forget FZR1000 riders. Mossy who.:shutup:
Good on ya.
Take it easy on me though, aye mate. :laugh:

Good luck for the weekend.

[malcy25]

bottom line more people see me doing ok on a PC bike hopefully they will spend money on legal mods ( like what ive done ) and get stuck into the posties scene!!

Aye, that's the plan!

[mossy1200]

And 750 riders and don't forget FZR1000 riders. Mossy who.:shutup:
Good on ya.
Take it easy on me though, aye mate. :laugh:

Good luck for the weekend.

Im watching you Peter.Neil spanked me couple of times but I got riding lessons.Neil might go easy on you but you will be on my lap traffic list.LOL

[RDjase]

Hello all newer fairing haters....

just had this from NZPCA today... My fairings will remain on the bike until NZPC have a different opinion.

We all know that its my fairings that are making me do so well:stupid:

see you at round 4

chappy


Hi Neil
, The fairing ruling is a hot topic at present for the time been I am
happy for you to run with your present body work and will keep you up to
date on any progress with the ruling. From Jason at NZPC

25-2-6: Fairing
Fairing and streamlining is permitted if they are of the type and style in keeping with the period of competition.


So does this mean that this rule doesnt apply now? It is a MNZ rule and a NZPCRA rule

Im not worried what fairings you use Neil, and if the late fairings dont give you an advantage why dont you want to use the original and make your bike look like it did in 1989?

Would be cool for the spectaters and Post classic racers alike seeing a 1989 bike that looks like a 1989 bike take the F3 crown , than a new looking 20year old bike woundnt it?

[sidecar bob]

25-2-6: Fairing
Fairing and streamlining is permitted if they are of the type and style in keeping with the period of competition.


So does this mean that this rule doesnt apply now? It is a MNZ rule and a NZPCRA rule

Im not worried what fairings you use Neil, and if the late fairings dont give you an advantage why dont you want to use the original and make your bike look like it did in 1989?

Would be cool for the spectaters and Post classic racers alike seeing a 1989 bike that looks like a 1989 bike take the F3 crown , than a new looking 20year old bike woundnt it?

I dont understand it Jase, id have thought you'd look a bit lame winning a semi classic class on a brand new bike, i mean thats what the public see.
I tend to go the other way & make the gear look older than it actually is so we look more skilled cleaning up on old shit.

[malcy25]

Hi Neil
, The fairing ruling is a hot topic at present for the time been I am
happy for you to run with your present body work and will keep you up to
date on any progress with the ruling. From Jason at NZPC

the bit about "will keep you up to date with progress" I would read as there may be more coming in future about this?

I wouldn't rush out and buy modern body work.....

[Deano]

Is someone regreting racing in a LIMITED PRODUCTION CLASS... you know if you raced in F3... you could do all these mods...:done:


Hell no - no regrets here. Pro twins is a cheaper class and I get the best of both worlds cause I still get to play with the F3 field, both on the track and at the streets.

[Billy]

25-2-6: Fairing
Fairing and streamlining is permitted if they are of the type and style in keeping with the period of competition.


So does this mean that this rule doesnt apply now? It is a MNZ rule and a NZPCRA rule

Im not worried what fairings you use Neil, and if the late fairings dont give you an advantage why dont you want to use the original and make your bike look like it did in 1989?

Would be cool for the spectaters and Post classic racers alike seeing a 1989 bike that looks like a 1989 bike take the F3 crown , than a new looking 20year old bike woundnt it?

Yip,Some good points here,If its in the MNZ rulebook then a letter from the NZPCRA will not cut the mustard if there is an official protest.

ZXR 400 H bodywork is readily available from Glen at JUST FAIRINGS and yeah it was cool watching Andy Bolwell winning F3 3years ago with the standard bodywork on

[codgyoleracer]

A good 4 Fiddy , well set up can def still cut the mustard aye Billy. The Tiggy of jasons though should be humming this year and we all got somthing to worry about there ! (let alone a few 600 triples turning up......)
Good luck for the weekend neil & keep Mr BooKlay behind ya !
Glen

[scrivy]

I tend to go the other way & make the gear look older than it actually is so we look more skilled cleaning up on old shit.

Are you talking about the swingers and riders looking older??? I mean, come on Bob, there's now a verandah over the garage, more grey hair, and achy joints, and don't get me started on failing memory.....
Even our leathers are older than some of our competition!!!

We really don't have to try to make it look any older eh.............:shutup:

[malcy25]

sorry, off topic....


The britten raced at Daytona in 1990....... sorry but it did.

Neil

please re-read my comment "By the way, for info, the Purple/Pink V1000 Britten with the carbon fork legs / funny front end was 91 from memory....."

And in deed I am right. Late 91, beginning of 92. Britten did go to Daytona in 89/90 but NOT with the wishbone front suspension bike. It was not completed until very late 91. I was at Ruapuna in Jan 92 for the GP when Chris Haldane was riding his OW01 superbike, with a broken collar bone. The said collar bone being broken after Chris binned the Britten prototype when the carbon forks broke in the first run on the newly built bike.....They then had 8 weeks to redesign and build a new front end for Daytona 92. ie the bike on the right in the photo.


89/90 Daytona appearance were with the Version 2 bike and was ridden by Gary Goodfellow and IIRC sponsored by Don Knit and was fitted with WP USD's. Ie as per the bike on the left in the photo.

I also snuck down to Whitcoulls this morning and rechecked my facts with the book commissioned by Kirsten Britten just in case....:laugh:

Cheers

[malcy25]

I get me self all worked out over this stuff...

Races are not only won on the track........how much of it is people playing with your head. Getting you stressed, putting you off your game.....self doubt.....what else are they looking at...where will it come from next.....:bleh:

[sidecar bob]

Races are not only won on the track........how much of it is people playing with your head. Getting you stressed, putting you off your game.....self doubt.....what else are they looking at...where will it come from next.....:bleh:

Dammit, your on to us. :laugh:

[malcy25]

Dammit, your on to us. :laugh:

Bugger, did I give the game away.....

[scrivy]

Dammit, your on to us. :laugh:

Looks like we'll have to revert to the weight lose program again.......
1. Bite off all fingernails,
2. Shave head,
3. Shave pubes,
4. Have 3 wanks to remove extra baggage,
5. Trim nose and ear hairs,
6. Use turbo lax to empty bowels,
7. Don't eat for 2 days prior,
8. Get a Brazilian,
9. Drill holes in the chain links,
10. Drain out half the brake fluid,
11. Grind off half the tyre rubber (or use worn rubber),

Anything else???

[roadracingoldfart]

Looks like we'll have to revert to the weight lose program again.......
1. Bite off all fingernails,
2. Shave head,
3. Shave pubes,
4. Have 3 wanks to remove extra baggage,
5. Trim nose and ear hairs,
6. Use turbo lax to empty bowels,
7. Don't eat for 2 days prior,
8. Get a Brazilian,
9. Drill holes in the chain links,
10. Drain out half the brake fluid,
11. Grind off half the tyre rubber (or use worn rubber),

Anything else???


You could
1, drill holes in the frame rails.:blink:
2, remove all the extra steel cord from the radials.:shit:
3, fill tank with 5 laps worth of fuel for a 6 lapper.<_<
4, wear condoms over ya gloves and boots for aerodynamic assistance.:love:
5, remove every second bolt from the engine covers.:shifty:
6, have as many wanks as a sidecar swinger . :tugger:
( ohhh woops thats been covered already)

I am sure there is more but we all have to think and be prepared to share our great ideas.

[mossy1200]

You could
1, drill holes in the frame rails.:blink:
2, remove all the extra steel cord from the radials.:shit:
3, fill tank with 5 laps worth of fuel for a 6 lapper.<_<
4, wear condoms over ya gloves and boots for aerodynamic assistance.:love:
5, remove every second bolt from the engine covers.:shifty:
6, have as many wanks as a sidecar swinger . :tugger:
( ohhh woops thats been covered already)

I am sure there is more but we all have to think and be prepared to share our great ideas.
And I thought my bike was ready to go now I have hours of prep to do tonight.(Disclaimer excludes the wanks.I need what little Testosterone I have left)

[koba]

Why do we need to "level the playing field" to make some piece of pox win a race when it otherwise would have never ever in it's day? Competition is hard, sort of a motorised darwin theory!! Just we have an end date here for the evolution process in this instance.

Despite what they teach at schools nowdays, someone has to lose and we can't all be winners.

I have to admit I like my kit too, but I think at times too many riders are magpies attracted to shiny bits. They need to just use what they have properly. Adding random kit won't make your bike faster. Proper Set up will...and I'm as guilty as anyone. New Ohlins shock, hmmm rider is the problem after all!

Interestingly question of the day, what was the first Honda road bike that had OEM fitted USD forks.....and what year.

Specials: No worldwide is fine. I was just using that as an example of the reality (ie little) of the likelihood of ZXR400 forks being used on other bikes en mass.

But the primary thing here is that the forks were excluded from everything else to stop them now being fitted when they essentailly never were and just creatinga distortion of the time space continuum!:shit: It'll suck Manfeild into a black hole otherwise!!


Ok, I know this is a bit off topic but...

Can I run Pre '89 NC30 suspension and wheels on an NC21? (1986)

[mossy1200]

Ok, I know this is a bit off topic but...

Can I run Pre '89 NC30 suspension and wheels on an NC21? (1986)

wheels are only size restricted and no carbon wheels so would assume they be ok.I guess that if the forks are not usd and look the same as the NC21 you could.

Disclaimer(assumption is the mother of all fuck ups)

And why arnt you in bed getting good sleep before round 4?

[koba]

wheels are only size restricted and no carbon wheels so would assume they be ok.I guess that if the forks are not usd and look the same as the NC21 you could.

Disclaimer(assumption is the mother of all fuck ups)

And why arnt you in bed getting good sleep before round 4?

Just finishing the last beer... you?

I'm quite happy with the '21 at the moment and it will be OK to start with but I can see definate benefit in being able to run radials and decent legs.
After that I might look for more power.
Oh and better gearbox ratios.
hmm, can't forget ergonomics...

Shit maybe I shoul just get an NC30...

Nah, that would make it easy; I want to have a bash on the old girl first!

[mossy1200]

Just finishing the last beer... you?

I'm quite happy with the '21 at the moment and it will be OK to start with but I can see definate benefit in being able to run radials and decent legs.
After that I might look for more power.
Oh and better gearbox ratios.
hmm, can't forget ergonomics...

Shit maybe I shoul just get an NC30...

Nah, that would make it easy; I want to have a bash on the old girl first!

I dont drink and have been training for 3 months at the gym etc for tomorrow.NOT
All you need is a year where it rains every race day.

[koba]

I dont drink and have been training for 3 months at the gym etc for tomorrow.NOT
All you need is a year where it rains every race day.

Hmm... maybe subconsciosly (Can't spell) thats why I'm doing the winter series...

[quickbuck]

So the "specials" such as GSXR7/11's that we can emulate have to have been done in New Zealand?

A man from Timaru by the name of John Hepburn raced one....

[quickbuck]

Im not worried what fairings you use Neil, and if the late fairings dont give you an advantage why dont you want to use the original and make your bike look like it did in 1989?



Because.... Have you tried to buy a set of 1989 ZXR 400 fairings lately Jase??

They were an arm and a leg in 1989... Now they are twice that price!!! IF AVAILABLE!

The cheif spanner swinger of Team Air Force is aquiring bits of fairing slowley, as he can see that this is all turning to custard.... Just a matter of putting some 1950's structual hardware onto the sets to enable them to be changed quickly....

There enough of talking in the third person......

[RDjase]

25-2-6: Fairing
Fairing and streamlining is permitted if they are of the type and style in keeping with the period of competition.


So does this mean that this rule doesnt apply now? It is a MNZ rule and a NZPCRA rule

Im not worried what fairings you use Neil, and if the late fairings dont give you an advantage why dont you want to use the original and make your bike look like it did in 1989?

Would be cool for the spectaters and Post classic racers alike seeing a 1989 bike that looks like a 1989 bike take the F3 crown , than a new looking 20year old bike woundnt it?

I didnt go searching for a fairing rule to cause trouble Quickbuck, i was going thru the MNZ and NZPCRA rules to find out about the repower/mods I want to do to either my TZR or RGV and figure out what is the best option for the RZ engine


Because.... Have you tried to buy a set of 1989 ZXR 400 fairings lately Jase??

They were an arm and a leg in 1989... Now they are twice that price!!! IF AVAILABLE!

The cheif spanner swinger of Team Air Force is aquiring bits of fairing slowley, as he can see that this is all turning to custard.... Just a matter of putting some 1950's structual hardware onto the sets to enable them to be changed quickly....

There enough of talking in the third person......


I was at manfeild yesterday and went over to your pits twice during the day to say hi and it must have been when the F3 race was on as neils bike wasnt there,

Im not trying to make trouble at all, Neil does well because of a well setup bike and good riding, not the plastic surround it . Post classic racing is great fun ,


Heres some fairings for you,



Yip,Some good points here,If its in the MNZ rulebook then a letter from the NZPCRA will not cut the mustard if there is an official protest.

ZXR 400 H bodywork is readily available from Glen at JUST FAIRINGS and yeah it was cool watching Andy Bolwell winning F3 3years ago with the standard bodywork on

A mate that has a 89 ZXR said they are $480 for brand new fairings, dont know if its from the same place or when he got them , i can find out if you want ,

What happened to neils bike yesterday? he came up next to me after the hairpin in the warm up lap and it lost power. Bummer about that, good big feild yesterday too, It will be the 1st and last time i have been in front on him:lol:



Because.... Have you tried to buy a set of 1989 ZXR 400 fairings lately Jase??

They were an arm and a leg in 1989... Now they are twice that price!!! IF AVAILABLE!



No, I have never tried to buy ZXR or any fairings before, I have owned alot
of bikes of the years and The RGV is the 1st one with fairings, The TZR has got a few bits of fairing but i wont use any on it, I like naked bikes:lol:

[quickbuck]

See below.........


I didnt go searching for a fairing rule to cause trouble Quickbuck, i was going thru the MNZ and NZPCRA rules to find out about the repower/mods I want to do to either my TZR or RGV and figure out what is the best option for the RZ engine


Sweet As...

I was at manfeild yesterday and went over to your pits twice during the day to say hi and it must have been when the F3 race was on as neils bike wasnt there,

Yup.. Wpould have been holding the pit board out on the wall...

Im not trying to make trouble at all, Neil does well because of a well setup bike and good riding, not the plastic surround it . Post classic racing is great fun ,
Agreed... and a darn good team behind him ;)

Heres some fairings for you,


Might Give Glen a call... Very Happy with my CBR replicas....

A mate that has a 89 ZXR said they are $480 for brand new fairings, dont know if its from the same place or when he got them , i can find out if you want ,

What happened to neils bike yesterday? he came up next to me after the hairpin in the warm up lap and it lost power. Bummer about that, good big feild yesterday too, It will be the 1st and last time i have been in front on him:lol:

You said it! haven't worked out why yet... but ran out of electrickery! I think I know though... Will find out later.


No, I have never tried to buy ZXR or any fairings before, I have owned alot
of bikes of the years and The RGV is the 1st one with fairings, The TZR has got a few bits of fairing but i wont use any on it, I like naked bikes:lol:

[RDjase]

Lost power , bugger :Pokey:
Bloody fast for an electric bike:clap: You could try running it on petrol :lol:

But seriously, i saw him leaning on the fence after the hairpin, would have been a very long race to watch from there, No doubt you will have it all sorted shortly:banana:
C u at Round5

[santiago]

This is the grey bit cause one rule is original motor castings.RZ350 motor and castings by my interp means you are building rz350 therefore you must have rz forks and rz swingarm.the casting rule is strict and the fork rule is model specific and swingarm should be stock.How can it be within the rules.
If you had 7/11 then you could claim that people raced 7/11 bikes in or before 89 which is likely that would make your bike a hybrid pre89 replica etc but I think you would struggle to find a rz350/rgv250 bike that raced in or before 1989.This is where it is up to the rider to prove that it complies.If you have doubt contact someone who can confirm it for you and let them know what you intend to do.
Im no authority and what i see in a competition rule book is not what the next person will see but your build seems outside the rules as I read them.

I found this topic because I searched for yamma gamma info, I'm building one for pre 89, the way i see the rules: as long as all the parts used are pre 89, then its legal, that includes fitting USD ZXR forks to the suzuki frame, running a 17"rear wheel (rgv's 18" std) and fitting the RZ motor. All the parts would have been available in pre 89, so no problem.

[ellipsis]

....he he he...:)

[Kickaha]

I'm building one for pre 89, the way i see the rules: as long as all the parts used are pre 89, then its legal, that includes fitting USD ZXR forks to the suzuki frame, running a 17"rear wheel (rgv's 18" std) and fitting the RZ motor. All the parts would have been available in pre 89, so no problem.

I would clarify that with the NZPCRA or you may find the way you see the rules isn't correct, I think you will have to prove that those bikes were made and raced using those components pre89

Althoug if you don't intend to contest any NZPCRA meetings you might get away with it as the guys down here are a bit more lax on the interpetation of the rules

[gav]

I found this topic because I searched for yamma gamma info, I'm building one for pre 89, the way i see the rules: as long as all the parts used are pre 89, then its legal, that includes fitting USD ZXR forks to the suzuki frame, running a 17"rear wheel (rgv's 18" std) and fitting the RZ motor. All the parts would have been available in pre 89, so no problem.
As explained, the 89 ZXR400 wasnt available in NZ in 1989 so how do you think the front end would be?

[Kickaha]

As explained, the 89 ZXR400 wasnt available in NZ in 1989 so how do you think the front end would be?

Does it state anywhere it has to be available in NZ? haven't bothered to much with pre89 rules but the pre82 just say it has to be manufactured prior to end of Dec 82, nothing about being sold/available in any country

Of course when you can show something like a RZ350 was made before the end of 82 then they get all funny about it and get the rules changed to exclude them :whistle:

25.1 Introduction:
There shall be three groups of Post Class road racing machines:
(A) Pre 72 which shall consist of machines manufactured after January 1st 1963 and before October 30th 1972.
(B) Pre 82 which will consist of racing machines manufactured after the closing date of the Period 1972 class and before December 31st 1982.
(C) Pre 89 which will consist of racing machines manufactured after the closing date of the period 1982 class and before December 31st 1989.

Ah no you're fucked actually

25.5.4 Forks
Upside down forks are prohibited unless originally fitted to the bike model in the
period. Forks must be period items. Internal spring and valving modifications are
permitted.

White Power and Ohlins had very limited supplies of USD forks available to special
teams on their works or works issue motorcycles. These specific forks may be used if
originally fitted to the bike in question (eg 888 Corsa Superbike). The onus of proof is
on the rider.

http://www.mnz.co.nz/download/2010_MoMS_Chapter_25_Road_Racing_Post_Classic.pdf

[steveyb]

Cool, no further updates or contradictions, so it seems that later model fairings on top of period bikes is OK.
So, a set of NXA fairings will be going on the NF5 RS250, sweet!!

Anyone other than me see the foolishness in this attitude?

[ellipsis]

Cool, no further updates or contradictions, so it seems that later model fairings on top of period bikes is OK.
So, a set of NXA fairings will be going on the NF5 RS250, sweet!!

Anyone other than me see the foolishness in this attitude?

Im with you on that one, it seems that the rules dont seem to matter anymore, cant seem to figure out where the problem with reading the rules and adhering to them is so hard, seems that some people dont want to be fucked by the rules, I wonder if they play the rest of life like that....

[timg]

:o Who'd do that? :Oops: