How to get a deregistered bike on the road

[FROSTY]

Another thread raised this subject so I thought I'd give you guys n gals the facts on the compliance AND reCOMPLIANCE process as it stands TODAY.

First off there are usually four reasons a bike needs to be complied
The first is registration has lapsed. Simply put the owner has for some reason not registered the bike for more than 12 months
The second is a freshly imported vehicle from overseas
The third is that an insurance company or other organisation has deregistered the bike due to accident damage
The fourth is a modified motorcycle.

SO option 1 -REGISTRATION LAPSED.
First you need to provide proof of YOUR identity ,Proof you own the bike and that the bike is not stolen.
Proof of ownership is simply a receipt from the last registered owner with their FULL name and address--it pays to ask if they have moved house -if you can get them a copy of the registration certificate is gold.
Proof of your identity is your licence of course
Proof its not stolen involves a stroll to your local cop shop with the frame/number plate number. They will issue a form stating the bike is NOT of interest to them.
I] Next if the bike is manufactured after 1991 take the bike to a bike shop who will issue you with a brake certificate. This will cost you $50-$150 depending on the shop [/I]
A brake cert involves First getting the thickness of the disks when new. Then read the minimum thickness of the disks (its stamped on all post 91 disks usually between the bolts) Then then measure all the brake disks to ensure they are above minimum thickness at the thinnest part of the disk They also measure the brake pads for thicknessw .The (If you can get the form and have an accurate set of calipers you can do this yourself.)
BEFORE-taking the bike any further make sure all the indicator,tailights and headlight have standards marks on em. Make sure the headlight (s) points where they are soposed to and that the bike is up to WOF standard Tyre,chain,swingarm,steering head,fork seals not leaking and wheel bearing wise. Also make sure all footpegs etc are secure.
A WORD OF WARNNG--Once you take your bike for compliance you only have 28 days to rectify any /all faults found otherwise you have to get it reinspected--and pay the compliance fee again --so it pays to make sure it WILL pass before taking it to them
Woohoo --now with your bike and all your paperwork head to the nearest MOTORCYCLE compliance center.
Not all car compliance centeres do bikes. Easy way is to phone the VTNZ compliance line or the AA compliance line--they will advise your nearest inspection center
They will now sting you about $150- $250 to inspect the bike.
Once this is done You will be handed a brand new WOF and a blue piece of paper called an MR2A --This bit of paper means your bike is safe to be on the roads in NZ and all you need to do is register it. You have 24 months to do this.
Take your MR2a to the nearest Testing station and hand them your Filled out MR2A (you fill out your details like a normal rego form)
Pay them $230-its gone up in price and they will hand you a shiney new number plate and a rego sticker for 6 months --(minimum registration period for a rereg/new reg)-or a bit more if you want 12 months rego
JOB DONE
So total cost if simply lapsed rego around $450
Worth a mention- Quite often for bikes you can take your bike to a VTNZ or AA compliance center who will do the whole thing from start to finish for you as long as you have the paperwork (including brake cert) in order. . This can save a bit of hassle and possibly a few $

A FRESH IMPORT INTO NZ

You need the certificate of DEREGISTRATION from the country of origin. If it was a private sale it also pays to keep the registration documents and preferably the contact details of the seller.DON'T loose that dereg-its really important. This is your proof of ownership.
You Need to provide proof of your identity-Drivers licence is fine.
] Next regardless of the bikes age take the bike to a bike shop who will issue you with a brake certificate. This will cost you $50-$150 depending on the shop [/I]
A brake cert involves First getting the thickness of the disks when new. Then read the minimum thickness of the disks (its stamped on all post 91 disks usually between the bolts) Then then measure all the brake disks to ensure they are above minimum thickness at the thinnest part of the disk They also measure the brake pads for thickness.The (If you can get the form and have an accurate set of calipers you can do this yourself.)

BEFORE-taking the bike any further make sure all the indicator,tailights and headlight have standards marks on em. Make sure the headlight (s) points where they are soposed to (Imports from USA,Canada and Europe excluding UK have their headlights pointing the wrong way when on dipped beam this isn't allowed in NZ)You most likely will need to replace the headlight with a NZ compliant one Make sure that otherwise the bike is up to WOF standard .Tyre,chain,swingarm,steering head bearings,swingarm bearings,fork seals not leaking and wheel bearing wise. Also make sure all footpegs etc are secure.
A WORD OF WARNNG--Once you take your bike for compliance you only have 28 days to rectify any /all faults found otherwise you have to get it reinspected--and pay the compliance fee again --so it pays to make sure it WILL pass before taking it to them
You then follow EXACTLY the same steps as for a deregistered bike with the same sort of costs.

[FROSTY]

Option 3- THE BIKE HAS BEEN DEREGISTERED BY AN INSURANCE COMPANY-or other organisation.

First you need to provide proof of YOUR identity.Proof you own the bike and proof that the bike is not stolen.
Proof of ownership is simply a receipt from the last registered owner with their FULL name and address--it pays to ask if they have moved house -if you can get them a copy of the registration certificate is gold. If you have purchased the vehicle at auction or by tender you will be given a GST receipt This will act as proof of ownership--Make SURE all the bikes details are correct.
Proof of your identity ican be your licence or passport
Proof its not stolen involves a stroll to your local cop shop with the frame/number plate number. They will issue a form stating the bike is NOT of interest to them. If the bike is a stolen and recovered you might need to do some chasing up in order to get it taken off the police stolen vehicles register. This involves contacting the last owner and/or the insurance company.

BEFORE doing ANYTHING to the bike you should Get in touch with a motorcycle structural engineer.
The LTSA will supply you a list of local guys. (I use and recomend Alex Gee in ASuckland --He actually IS a biker so understands bike engineering.)
Make an appointment with him. Tell him the Make,model and Year of your bike. Some engineers come to you some need you to go to them.
Next its in your best interests to do the following.
Take off all the plastics,seat and the tank, except where the actual plastics support the headlight(s)
If the bikes 100% straight youll be going -"Frosty you ass whyd ya tell me to do that?"
If the bikes a bit not straight then you're going to have to take it to bits anyway.
The structural engineer is going to turn up with the FACTORY dimensions of the bike on his check sheets.
He will then measure your bike to ensure it matches those dimensions within the tolerences allowed,
He will check the wheelbase is correct,
He will check that the back wheel is right behind the front wheel.The sideways tollerence for this is 3.0mm
He will check that the wheels are straight up and down and that there arent cracks or dings the frame.He is also checking to see if the wheels themselves are bent.
The engineer will now look over the bike in a general manner to make sure the seat/rear subframe is sitting along the centerline of the bike and not twisted. He will also look at the front subframe to ensure the headlight beam is of pointing in the right direction.
This is where taking the plastics off is great.
NOW--if its out he will in wrighting tell you what part of the bike needs to be fixed and exaxctly how far it needs to go.
For example-Untwist the steering head-front axle centre across 15mm to the left or. Swingarm bent, rear wheel across 10mm to right.
How you fix it is up to you provided its repaired in a tradesman like and safe manner. It pays to do your sums -sometimes its better to replace the part thats bent --as long as its not the frame WARNING replaceing a swingarm can end up being a frustrating waste of effort. A second hand swingarm is likely from a damaged bike so might be as bent as th one you removed.
Once its fixed you need to call the engineer who will reinspect the bike to make sure its straight.
Once he is all happy he will issue you with his engineers report saying the bike is straight.
This will cost you $200-$300 depending on the engineer. This is generally a one off fee including any rechecking needed after the first inspection but do check first.
At this point I must comment that some engineers are prepared to look at the REPAIRED bike so if for example the front wheel is buckled or the swingarm is bent you can fix it before he looks at it. same with twisted rear subframes or front subframes--but again CHECK first with your engineer.
I] Next take the bike to a bike shop who will issue you with a brake certificate. This will cost you $50-$150 depending on the shop [/I]
A brake cert means they measure all the brakes to ensure everything is above minimum thickness and all lines etc are operating as they should.
OR--you could ask your engineer to issue one This will cost you $50-$150
(If you can get the form and have an accurate set of calipers you can do this yourself.)

NOW bolt all the plastics.tank etc back on.
BEFORE-taking the bike any further make sure all the indicator,tailights and headlight have standards marks on em. Make sure the headlight (s) points where they are soposed to and that the bike is up to WOF standard Tyre,chain,swingarm,steering head and wheel bearing wise. Also make sure all footpegs etc are secure.
A WORD OF WARNNG--Once you take your bike for compliance you only have 28 days to rectify any /all faults otherwise you have to get it reinspected--and pay the compliance fee again --so it pays to make sure it WILL pass

Woohoo --now with your bike and all your paperwork head to the nearest MOTORCYCLE compliance center.-Not all car compliance centers do bikes
They will now sting you about $150-$250 to inspect the bike.
Once this is done You will be handed a brand new WOF and a blue piece of paper called an MR2A --This bit of paper means your bike is safe to be on the roads in NZ and all you need to do is register it.
Take your MR2a to the nearest Testing station and hand them your Filled out MR2A (you fill out your details like a normal rego form)
Pay them $230 and they will hand you a shiney new number plate and a rego sticker for 6 months rego . -or pay a bit more for 12 months
JOB DONE
So accident damaged bike will cost you $600-$800 to get back on the road PLUS the cost of any repairs needed.
U] Worth a mention-[/U] Quite often for bikes you can take your bike to a VTNZ or AA compliance center who will do the COMPLIANCE from start to finish for you as long as you have the paperwork (including brake cert and engineers report) in order. . This can save a bit of hassle and possibly a few $


Option 4 MODIFIED BIKES.
This is where you NEED to be on really good terms with a bike structural engineer.
Right from the begining you need him on board with your project.
He will tell you what he needs from you and at what stage of the build he needs to see the bike.
If the bike is MODIFIED structurally in any way from stock then the engineer will make sure everything works in a safe manner ,that the work itself is sound and sutable for the purpose for which it is intended . Any welding done in critical component areas needs to be certified as sound. The certifyer then will issue a low volume build plate whick gets stuck to the bike. The plate specifically lists the modifacations made. The cost of this varies from $100 up depending on the amount of work the engineer ends up doing.
This will not affect the registration if the bike has current rego If it is deregistered then refer to the appropriate information listed above.
As a really good rule of thumb if the work is within the stuctural area of the bike --thats the triangle from the back of the back wheel forward to front wheel (not tyre) up to and including the steering head then back down the frame to the back wheel including the swingarm You NEED an engineer to certify the work.
TO BE CLEAR-changing exhausts, internal fork components,cosmetics and rear shock replacement with shock/shocks of same/similar characteristics are not normally concidered to be structural.

If Your bike seems to be ina grey area then I would contact the motor vehicle registration contact centre on 0800 108 809.or write to them: NZ Transport Agency, Transport Registry Centre, Private Bag 11777, Palmerston North 4442.

[FROSTY]

To date we have had a good response - could be another one or two - but this should give you good coverage.<O:p></O:p>
All these Certifiers are actually doing MOTORCYCLE certification - most have done a few this year. Alex Gee is the person focussed on Motorcycles.

Alex is actually a LVVTA member too. All the others are Light Vehicle.<O:p></O:p>
Bob Kistemaker Auckland vrc@actrix.co.nz <O:p></O:p>
Alex Gee " geeam@ihug.co.nz <O:p></O:p>
Ewan Clark " cardata@xtra.co.nz <O:p></O:p>
Tony Christieson Hamilton tonyspanelshop@xtra.co.nz <O:p></O:p>
Wayne Sowry Tauranga wsowry@xtra.co.nz <O:p></O:p>
Alan Collins Taupo forsterpb@xtra.co.nz <O:p></O:p>
Allan Kellett Gisbourne allan@kol.co.nz <O:p></O:p>
Terry Price Wanganui Restorations-Unlimited@xtra.co.nz <O:p></O:p>
Roger Greaney Napier ccr1@xtra.co.nz <O:p></O:p>
Deane McMillan Wellington demcmillan@actrix.co.nz <O:p></O:p>
Dave Bunn ChCh d.bunn@xtra.co.nz <O:p></O:p>
Daniel Robin " daniel@drcollision.co.nz <O:p></O:p>
Doug Ledbrook " doug@perfectautobody.co.nz <O:p></O:p>
Alan Henderson Timaru brownandshipman@xtra.co.nz <O:p></O:p>
Peter Fraser Dunedin actionpanel@xtra.co.nz <O:p></O:p>
Dave Shierlaw Invercargill precisionpanels@woosh.co.nz<O:p></O:p>

[mossy1200]

bumpyyeeeeeeee

I have certified my own brakes twice now.Interesting thing is that all you need is the form(ask bike shop for one).The law with cert is that the calipers must be measured by competent person.This does not mean it has to be bike shop.You must list the min disc spec wear limit and measure with calipers.Then record your results and sign form.Be aware that false declaration is not advised cause they look at the brakes when doing warrent.
Also bikes pre 1991 do not require brake declaration at all.

VTNZ charged me $320 dollars for the last one I did(note rego has risen since then).This figure included 6months rego and new plate and warrent of fitness.This was on a lapsed expired plate bike with vin number only.
There was no pre inspection at $300.
All the inspection is part of warrent which gets done at same time.
Crash damage bikes need further inspections.

[ready4whatever]

If your bike was registered after 1992 then you dont need the brake cert. take it to vtnz and if its all wof standard its $175 for wof plus compliance, then add on the 3 or 6 months rego on top of that

[mossy1200]

If your bike was registered after 1992 then you dont need the brake cert. take it to vtnz and if its all wof standard its $175 for wof plus compliance, then add on the 3 or 6 months rego on top of that

Min new plate rego is 6months and only other option is 12months.
Bike produced after and during 1991 required brake de and pre 91 do not.
Please note that I have done 7 dead plate bikes in last 3 years.

[FROSTY]

If the engineer says the frame is bent or the swingarm is bent then it needs to be straightened.
NOT something I reccomend you get into yourself.
I recomend Djebe Bruin In Auckland.
Or of course our old mate SHAUN HARRIS from MOTO DYNAMICS
Either one of these folks are pretty darn good at getting bent things straight.
Of course Shaun is also able to pick up your bike (virtually) north island wide and deliver it back to you all ready for reinspection.

[FROSTY]

I have certified my own brakes twice now.Interesting thing is that all you need is the form(ask bike shop for one).The law with cert is that the calipers must be measured by competent person.This does not mean it has to be bike shop.You must list the min disc spec wear limit and measure with calipers.Then record your results and sign form.Be aware that false declaration is not advised cause they look at the brakes when doing warrent.
Also bikes pre 1991 do not require brake declaration at all.

VTNZ charged me $320 dollars for the last one I did(note rego has risen since then).This figure included 6months rego and new plate and warrent of fitness.This was on a lapsed expired plate bike with vin number only.
There was no pre inspection at $300.
All the inspection is part of warrent which gets done at same time.
Crash damage bikes need further inspections.
Sorry dude I was getting all the info down and then getting the $$$ from my records --ya jumped da gun

[mossy1200]

Sorry dude I was getting all the info down and then getting the $$$ from my records --ya jumped da gun

Thats cool the brake dec is just 91 onwards and the form is just an A4 sheet that i got from the local bike shop and photo copied a few so i had spares.
Sign your own if you feel competent.

VTNZ in Newtown Welly did my last one for $320 with 6months rego and warrent included but would expect this would be $40 higher as the rego has gone up $80 per year now.

Police declaration is free but no point going in without either the old plate number or chasis number.They just check its not stolen or courts are not trying to sieze it on a court order from unpaid debt that had it as security against.FREE unlike doing 61 in 50 zone.

[mossy1200]

Sorry dude I was getting all the info down and then getting the $$$ from my records --ya jumped da gun

Dont you hate it when someone jumps on your thread when your editing.LOL
Someone usually quotes me before I check my spelling.

[Ixion]

Thats cool the brake dec is just 91 onwards and the form is just an A4 sheet that i got from the local bike shop and photo copied a few so i had spares.
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Is that the one that is in the Entry Certification Manual on the LTSA site?

[mossy1200]

Is that the one that is in the Entry Certification Manual on the LTSA site?

No thats for fresh imports.
Five steps to reregistering a vehicle
Step 1
Take the vehicle to a TSD agent with proof that it has been previously registered in New Zealand and that you're the person entitled to reregister the vehicle.

The proof of previous registration can be old registration papers or documentation that verifies the vehicle's VIN or chassis number, eg registration plates and a warrant of fitness checksheet, or registration plates and insurance policy documents that show the VIN or chassis number.

The TSD agent will need to be satisfied that these documents demonstrate that the vehicle, when originally registered, was designed and constructed according to the requirements applying at that time. For example, vehicles manufactured before 1991 don't need to meet as many vehicle standards.

Step 2
The TSD agent will inspect the vehicle, attach a VIN to it if necessary, and issue a record of certification for compliance with registration requirements. The TSD agent will charge a fee for the vehicle inspection and certification. Information about the vehicle will be added to the motor vehicle register.

Step 3
The vehicle qualifies for a warrant of fitness from the date it passes the TSD agent's inspection.

Step 4
The TSD agent can reregister and license the vehicle for you so that you can legally drive it on the road. The reregistration and licensing fee includes the cost of the new registration plates and the necessary licence labels. The vehicle can be reregistered immediately by the TSD agent, or within the period for which the record of certification is valid.

Step 5
Your vehicle may be driven on the road when it has its new registration plates, licence label, warrant of fitness label and (if applicable) RUC licence attached.

Note: Until the reregistration and relicensing process is complete, a vehicle can't be driven on the road – it must be towed or transported by another means.

The process may be more complicated and costly if the vehicle has been structurally damaged, deteriorated or modified in a way which could affect its safety performance, and the TSD agent refers it to a specialist certifier.

•Call our motor vehicle registration contact centre on 0800 108 809.
•Write to us: NZ Transport Agency, Transport Registry Centre, Private Bag 11777, Palmerston North 4442.

[birdhandler]

Seems to come up regularly
May be it ciuld be in the wiki ??

[Shaun]

If the engineer says the frame is bent or the swingarm is bent then it needs to be straightened.
NOT something I reccomend you get into yourself.
I recomend Djebe Bruin In Auckland.
Or of course our old mate SHAUN HARRIS from MOTO DYNAMICS
Either one of these folks are pretty darn good at getting bent things straight.
Of course Shaun is also able to pick up your bike (virtually) north island wide and deliver it back to you all ready for reinspection.



Thanks for the plug Frosty.

[rok-the-boat]

I have vinned one bike I brought with me from overseas, and another I bought and put on the road here - my current bike. It is 1982 and they made me get the brake cert even though I protested at the time - thanks for clarifying it. They do not understand their own rules ... the English, I mean.

[mossy1200]

I have vinned one bike I brought with me from overseas, and another I bought and put on the road here - my current bike. It is 1982 and they made me get the brake cert even though I protested at the time - thanks for clarifying it. They do not understand their own rules ... the English, I mean.
I have only put x New Zealand de rego bikes from time lapsed rego so the rules that applied for mine may not apply for a fresh import.
Bike shop told me that the reason cut off was 91 was that information for after 91 bike min discs was avaliable and pre 91 was not always avaliable.
most bikes after 91 came with wear limits on the factory disc.
i just bought new EBC discs for my race bike and they had min wear limits with them.

[FROSTY]

I have vinned one bike I brought with me from overseas, and another I bought and put on the road here - my current bike. It is 1982 and they made me get the brake cert even though I protested at the time - thanks for clarifying it. They do not understand their own rules ... the English, I mean.
Thanks for reminding me. Brake cert wise yep a fresh import is treated as a NEW bike.-ill ammend the post

[FROSTY]

Is there anything else that could be usefull here guys.
It looks like a lot of work but it isn't really

[trevsnz]

I've just got a Yamaha SR250 1980 just back on the road. i was luckly enough to have the plate on the bike. this bike was last rego in 1996 and put on hold till 2003 where it expired. I took it into a VTNZ which I was told they need the bike for the whole day. Cost was $145. the person who does the bike doesn't start till 9.00am At 9:20am I get a call to say its done and Passed and I can pick it up. that was Quick. Takes longer for a normal rego on my car LOL. Then Paid for 6 months rego, that cost $225 with the my new licence plate.. I even still have my old one.
Very easy :2thumbsup

[-BW-]

Hi. Does anyone have any info about returning a restored vintage to the road? Specifically regarding previous history. I have an old frame that was pulled from a shed with completely unknown history which I am building from scratch. Its a triumph and is of '63- '70 vintage, and most likely would have come into the country when new.
Aside from checking that its not stolen, what else am I supposed to do? Does anyone keep registration records of the frame number?

[mossy1200]

Hi. Does anyone have any info about returning a restored vintage to the road? Specifically regarding previous history. I have an old frame that was pulled from a shed with completely unknown history which I am building from scratch. Its a triumph and is of '63- '70 vintage, and most likely would have come into the country when new.
Aside from checking that its not stolen, what else am I supposed to do? Does anyone keep registration records of the frame number?

I did a bit of resurch when I was considering a oldy restore and came up with you need to get proof of date of manufacture.this only needs to be interweb photos of same model etc that are dated or specs sheets with photos including date of manufacture.Then you will need to get the chasis number police checked for thieft history.Any other plate history helps but not necessary thens it off to VTNZ as per revin process.

[-BW-]

I did a bit of resurch when I was considering a oldy restore and came up with you need to get proof of date of manufacture.this only needs to be interweb photos of same model etc that are dated or specs sheets with photos including date of manufacture.Then you will need to get the chasis number police checked for thieft history.Any other plate history helps but not necessary thens it off to VTNZ as per revin process.

Great thanks mossy! That helps a lot. I did a bit of ringing around and no one seemed to know what to do, at least I have a starting point now. Cheers.

[FROSTY]

Great thanks mossy! That helps a lot. I did a bit of ringing around and no one seemed to know what to do, at least I have a starting point now. Cheers.
Don't stuff around with "anyone" give Alex Gee a yell.

[wpoll]

So, mossy1200, do you have a copy of the brake cert. form you can scan and post? :-)

I'm trying to re-register an FXR150 for my son to ride and I've about jumped through enough hoops for one day - I want to thump someone, preferable someone in a suit....

*EDIT* Don't worry - got one from the good folk at VINZ... thanks anyway... :-)

[Scotty595]

Thanks for the info. Might be needing it soon :D

[RDjase]

Thanks for the info. Might be needing it soon :D

MVX got no live plates mate

[Scotty595]

MVX got no live plates mate

Nah got some old plates but has been sitting for ages so will need to be revinned

[neels]

I may be able to add a bit to this.

I've just re-registered my scooter, which is 125cc so therefore classified as a motorbike. It came with no plates and papers so I had no idea of it's previous history.

The process was more or less as described except for proof of age and fitness for use on the road, which can be done through the vintage car club. Any vehicle more than 29 years is an eligible vehicle and you can either join the club and get it for free or pay $75. There is a form to fill out with all the details, take a couple of photos and send it off. There may be an inspection required but not in my case as I knew the guy doing it and he'd already seen the thing, once this is done they issue you with a vehicle authenticity statement.

Take this with proof of ownership, police check form, drop it off at the VTNZ shop for a day and it comes out legal, in my case for about $270ish as it's over 40 years old.

[FROSTY]

WORD OF WARNING FOLKS---- A structural engineer CAN if he so chooses insist on seeing the bike PRE accident repair.
There is a suggestion that this will be enforced in future.

The intent of this has little to do with bikes but is to do with the recent dramatic increase in the number of accident deregistered cars being "repaired' and put back on the road. It has become economically viable to do so thanks to the gubbiments insistance on all fresh imports being of a specification that passes the 2000 emission laws.
Reregistered cars don't have to pass this law.

[FROSTY]

I may be able to add a bit to this.

I've just re-registered my scooter, which is 125cc so therefore classified as a motorbike. It came with no plates and papers so I had no idea of it's previous history.

The process was more or less as described except for proof of age and fitness for use on the road, which can be done through the vintage car club. Any vehicle more than 29 years is an eligible vehicle and you can either join the club and get it for free or pay $75. There is a form to fill out with all the details, take a couple of photos and send it off. There may be an inspection required but not in my case as I knew the guy doing it and he'd already seen the thing, once this is done they issue you with a vehicle authenticity statement.

Take this with proof of ownership, police check form, drop it off at the VTNZ shop for a day and it comes out legal, in my case for about $270ish as it's over 40 years old.
Thanks for that. This applies to all "classic" vehicles. -vehicles over 25 years old that were registered in New Zealand

[BAD DAD]

I noticed when my old bike was re-vinned that they riveted the new VIN plate to the chassis in a very inconvenient spot. Is it "legal" to relocate that plate, or can they be attatched anywhere visable?

[FROSTY]

Anywhere its attatched to the "chasis" of the vehicle. Ie the frame.

[FROSTY]

A very usefull website to look at is www.lvvta.org.nz (http://www.lvvta.org.nz) this is for modified vehicles

[neels]

I noticed when my old bike was re-vinned that they riveted the new VIN plate to the chassis in a very inconvenient spot. Is it "legal" to relocate that plate, or can they be attatched anywhere visable?
You too huh? On my scooter they riveted it onto the main frame tube underneath, which probably seemed a good place but unfortunately the main tube is also the exhaust and contains a muffler, so if I want to remove it I'll have to drill the rivets out.

[poorbastard]

This website may be of use as well. Has a few of the forms which need filling out including the one which you need to take to the police to sign.

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/virm-entry-cert/virm-entry-cert.html

[FROSTY]

To date we have had a good response - could be another one or two - but this should give you good coverage.<O:p></O:p>
All these Certifiers are actually doing MOTORCYCLE certification - most have done a few this year. Alex Gee is the person focussed on Motorcycles.

Alex is actually a LVVTA member too. All the others are Light Vehicle.<O:p></O:p>
Bob Kistemaker Auckland vrc@actrix.co.nz <O:p></O:p>
Alex Gee " geeam@ihug.co.nz <O:p></O:p>
Ewan Clark " cardata@xtra.co.nz <O:p></O:p>
Tony Christieson Hamilton tonyspanelshop@xtra.co.nz <O:p></O:p>
Wayne Sowry Tauranga wsowry@xtra.co.nz <O:p></O:p>
Alan Collins Taupo forsterpb@xtra.co.nz <O:p></O:p>
Allan Kellett Gisbourne allan@kol.co.nz <O:p></O:p>
Terry Price Wanganui Restorations-Unlimited@xtra.co.nz <O:p></O:p>
Roger Greaney Napier ccr1@xtra.co.nz <O:p></O:p>
Deane McMillan Wellington demcmillan@actrix.co.nz <O:p></O:p>
Dave Bunn ChCh d.bunn@xtra.co.nz <O:p></O:p>
Daniel Robin " daniel@drcollision.co.nz <O:p></O:p>
Doug Ledbrook " doug@perfectautobody.co.nz <O:p></O:p>
Alan Henderson Timaru brownandshipman@xtra.co.nz <O:p></O:p>
Peter Fraser Dunedin actionpanel@xtra.co.nz <O:p></O:p>
Dave Shierlaw Invercargill precisionpanels@woosh.co.nz<O:p></O:p>

[Ryster]

I got a bike last week and was given us for free, so we had no ownership papers or anything. It had been de registered for at least 3 years. i just went into the aa and got a vehicle licnesing form, filled it out took it back in with proof of identity and they gave me 6 months rego and a new number plate. I thought it would be alot harder than that but it was really easy.

[bert_is_evil]

Had the rego lapsed rather than being officially deregistered? How much did it cost?

[smoky]

Tony Christieson Hamilton tonyspanelshop@xtra.co.nz <O:p></O:p>


Not convinced that's the best in Hamilton - they send you to some one else for a chassis check - but don't check axel, wheel alignment, forks, rims, triple clamps.......bla bla bla', this ends up costing you twice as much - pay for the report then for the certificate (for ticking a few boxes)

Gil Tuffin can do them in Hamilton and does a proper job in house and completes the certificate same day $300 +GST ($337.50)
He's on this site somewhere

[swee]

I just got a copy of the brake declaration to get my bike Vin'd, the thickness is easy but how do you guys do a home job measurement of the runout?

[R6_kid]

Is there a difference between a vehicle written off as uneconomical to repair and written off due to structural damage - as far as requiring a frame cert is concerned? Or will the bike just be listed as "insurance writeoff"?

I have a bike which was written off "on sight" due to damaged front fender, false tank panel and exhaust being damaged - OEM parts = approx $5k, but very obvious no structural damage. I'm talking low speed drop, not a crash.

[Ixion]

AFAIK , no. If an insurance company deregister a bike, as a result of accident damage (not sure about stolen and recovered), the 'dead' rego is flagged as 'accident damaged' in the NZTA database. And to reregister it a frame cert will be required. Makes sense. Otherwise how do you know that a particular bike didn't suffer structural damage. OK, some may be obvious. But others, the assessor may list the cosmetic stuff, reckon that it ways exceeds the value so it will be a write off and not bother looking further for a slightly bent frame.

[The Pastor]

I would of thought to get a deregod bike on the rode, you'd turn the key and ride it

[Ixion]

That won't work. it's dereg'd becos it crashed. the easiest way to get it on the road is to kick it off the trailer. It'll be on the road then 9assuming you aprk the trailer in the proper place)

[skinny]

Perfect thread considering i just imported a biek from the US. Thanks !

[McWild]

Does anyone have any idea of the procedure for getting a 50cc bike on the road, registered as a moped?

I have a 1979 YB50 (*ahem*) that I think would make a hilarious runabout, and would also like to be able to legally ride it to large carparks to do stupid stuff on. Except it has no plates, history, road gear or VIN. It's just a bike.

Since mopeds don't even need a WOF, and even little pocket bikes can have plates on them, could it be as easy as going and asking and paying for a plate?

[Flip]

Give Ian at VTNZ Litchfield st a call. He was very help full when I did my old shitter.

Do you have any old rego docs or plates with the bike? It will make it easier if it has already been on the road here and you have evidence.

[n0regret5]

after reading the sr250 post i'm feeling a little more at ease with recomplying my gn..but question, if i have the plates and the last registration and wof tags, but no ownership papers, though do have police inspection form saying its not of any interest to them..is that all good? i got it from a mate who got it from his mum who bought it from an old neighbor to use as a farm bike.

[Al]

Thanks for this Frosty!
We are moving back to Auckland from the Northern Territory and I am freighting my BMW R1150RT with Taurus Logistics. Good mob, they supply the crate, etc and do most of the documentation.
I enquired here about de-registration and they said it wasn't necessary...!

Frosty, I might call on you for advice/help.... , if you don't mind! We are going to be living in Henderson (Edmonton Road)

[I'll C U Jimmy]

Cheers Frosty, this is shit-hot info. I've been down the re-certification road, but am looking into the structural modification options for my next project, so very timely, thanks!

[dynamite9585]

had to re-cert a bike today, this thread was extreamly helpful, knowing what to expect at each stage made the day a whole lot more comfortable.

[BikeCollector]

Reg has lapsed due to being a bike from a deceased estate,
I have;
-a transfer of ownership from the son that inherited the bike,
-a copy of an old wof sheet and the actual old wof and registration
-the original plates
I gather I don't need the brake cert due to bike age and the police no longer issue statements about vehicles no longer being of interest to them.. so could it be as simple as going to the VTNZ and asking/paying for new plates and then taking the bike in for a wof?
anyone else had a bike in these circumstances revinned?

[I'll C U Jimmy]

If reg has just lapsed, I think you are right, could be just a 'change of ownership' form and wof/reg but if its become de-registered ie 'off the books' you will need to get the 'not interested' form from the police. I had to get one to get a de-reg bike on the road in March.

[BikeCollector]

they said that because the bike was last registered in 2006, I need to drop it into a specific VTNZ ( not all of them do revinning).. leave it for 3 days for them to get the revinning done.. at least this way I'll get wof/ revinning, new plates and registration done all in the one place, can drop off on trailer and ride it home .. ( fingers crossed!)

[FROSTY]

BC VTNZ here in henderson will do it for you.If you want me too I'll look it over pre inspection for you. Theres a chance I might spot something you missed and save you taking it back to VTNZ for recheck

[Dirk]

I'm trying to register from scratch a 1983 VT500c Honda shadow i have no plate, papers or anything I gave VTNZ the frame number and they said there was no record of it anywhere, so i can't register it. Is there anything else i can do to find out the history of the bike?

[karmobRob]

Gidday,I have just won a tender for a 02 Victory,insurance write-off,but only cosmetic damage,here in Nelson.I plan to rebuild and custom it.Has anyone gone through the process here?

[portokiwi]

:yes: Great info for getting your :scooter: back on the road.

[Expert]

I'm trying to register from scratch a 1983 VT500c Honda shadow i have no plate, papers or anything I gave VTNZ the frame number and they said there was no record of it anywhere, so i can't register it. Is there anything else i can do to find out the history of the bike?

carjam the vin(frame) number. if nothing comes up and you cannot prove it has been previously registered elsewhere, forget it.

[Expert]

I'm trying to register from scratch a 1983 VT500c Honda shadow i have no plate, papers or anything I gave VTNZ the frame number and they said there was no record of it anywhere, so i can't register it. Is there anything else i can do to find out the history of the bike?

carjam the vin(frame) number, if nothing comes up and you have no other evidence at all or it being registered elsewhere, forget it.

[KiwiPhoenix]

I have a 1982 Yamaha XJ750 that I am rebuilding, have been looking into the registration status and it says it has "lapsed" so what do I need to do to get it back on the road?? (other than putting it back together in the first place :laugh:)

[neels]

I have a 1982 Yamaha XJ750 that I am rebuilding, have been looking into the registration status and it says it has "lapsed" so what do I need to do to get it back on the road?? (other than putting it back together in the first place :laugh:)
You're half way there in the fact that you can look up the rego number, it's on the system so there's no drama with re-registration. Basically you have to take it to VTNZ/AA/VINZ with proof of ownership or a declaration that it's not of interest to the police, pay your money for a recertification check and you leave with a wof and new plate.

[KiwiPhoenix]

You're half way there in the fact that you can look up the rego number, it's on the system so there's no drama with re-registration. Basically you have to take it to VTNZ/AA/VINZ with proof of ownership or a declaration that it's not of interest to the police, pay your money for a recertification check and you leave with a wof and new plate.

Cheers for that Neels! :woohoo: What places in Chch do the recertification check??

[neels]

Cheers for that Neels! :woohoo: What places in Chch do the recertification check??
Closest to you would be VINZ at the airport, probably pay to pop in and have a chat with them about what you need to do, and book in for a day when the motorbike man will be there.

[KiwiPhoenix]

Closest to you would be VINZ at the airport, probably pay to pop in and have a chat with them about what you need to do, and book in for a day when the motorbike man will be there.

Didn't know that there was one out this way!! Shows how much I know :blink: Bike isn't quite ready to be done as yet, but definitely handy to know what I need to know! Bike is still in bits!

[tig5]

Any of you guys had a frame checked by Deane in Wellington? I gave him a call about a bike with a bent front end I'm trying to get back on the road and from what I gathered from him I would have to pay a bike shop $300-$400 to "get it ready", then $300-$400 for a cert. I contacted Boyles Kawasaki and they said it usually cost around $250 "for all the paperwork" then they call in Deane. When I asked if Deane would then charge on top they said "thats up to him". Anyone gone through this process in Welli? I see poorbastard did but I'm too fresh here to PM him. Did I misunderstand or is it possible it will cost me $800 to get a frame cert on a scooter?

[mbikeman1]

when i carjam my bike im looking at revinning it comes up with Vehicle destroyed or become permanently useless.does this mean i will have to get a engineers report?

[Expert]

when i carjam my bike im looking at revinning it comes up with Vehicle destroyed or become permanently useless.does this mean i will have to get a engineers report?

I have seen that once and it was on a bike that had the frame numbers filed off. there's no way to prove a link with a numberless bike and any documents or numberplates you may have, they could have come from anywhere.
you will struggle with it i reckon, but give vinz or any other compliance place a call for a second opinion.
the bike i saw got wrecked for parts.

[Expert]

Any of you guys had a frame checked by Deane in Wellington? I gave him a call about a bike with a bent front end I'm trying to get back on the road and from what I gathered from him I would have to pay a bike shop $300-$400 to "get it ready", then $300-$400 for a cert. I contacted Boyles Kawasaki and they said it usually cost around $250 "for all the paperwork" then they call in Deane. When I asked if Deane would then charge on top they said "thats up to him". Anyone gone through this process in Welli? I see poorbastard did but I'm too fresh here to PM him. Did I misunderstand or is it possible it will cost me $800 to get a frame cert on a scooter?

what capacity is the scooter? if it's a 50 you don't need anything on it at all, as crazy as it sounds you can make a bike at home out of cardboard toilet roll tubes and as long as it's smaller that 50cc you can register it in the post shop without an inspection and drive on the road with all the trucks and other traffic.

[Dadpole]

Hmmm. Toilet roll tubes and a tiny motor you say... I feel a cunning plan taking shape.

[Devy]

hey does anyone know where i can get a brake decleration form? and if i can do it myself?

[timmehpwr]

I got a bike last week and was given us for free, so we had no ownership papers or anything. It had been de registered for at least 3 years. i just went into the aa and got a vehicle licnesing form, filled it out took it back in with proof of identity and they gave me 6 months rego and a new number plate. I thought it would be alot harder than that but it was really easy.

FYI I'm trying to re-registered a DRZ400E that was deregistered 6 years ago, and this trick did not work for me.

So I rang VTNZ who told me I needed a proof of ownership (letter from previous registered owner) and a brake declaration, so I paid $45 to the local Suzuki dealer and got it done this morning.

However, three days ago I had emailed NZTA asking if I actually needed a brake declaration as the bike was previously registered and it was not mentioned on their "Five Steps to Re-register a vehicle" checklist. I got sick of waiting so just booked it in and got one, but just now I received an email back from NZTA and they are saying "A brake declaration is only required on vehicle's that are entering the New Zealand fleet for the first time."

So I probably didn't need to spend that $45, oh well!

I am yet to take it through VTNZ for the check (waiting on a quieter exhaust pipe to arrive, it has a unrestricted offroad one on at the moment), hopefully update this post in a week or two with good news :>

[Fast Eddie]

good info on here its mint! phew, just read thru 5 pages seeing if anyone has answered this: (I have asked VTNZ and they just kept repeating I need dereg papers from overseas if its an import, or dereg papers from here if its kiwi..) how bout if the bike was never registered anywhere?
Can anything be done with a mid 90's japanese sportsbike that has no previous history in nz, I believe it was used as a racebike/track toy in the 90's but has full road kit for it, gauges fairings lights everything for road. just with the bits and pieces that came with it and the virtually no kms on the odometer all the road bits are like new it looks like someones track toy that prob was never registered anywhere from new only used on the track? I gave the chassis number etc to the police to run but all they could tell me was that it was not reported stolen.

Whos a magician? haha will pay ya handsomely to get it reg' its so tidy and it has everything it needs to go on the road and low kms it just seems a shame to not be able to reg it and ride it on the road? It has no history but a clean police record when run the tags that are on it. No history of it ever being registered or imported. No idea where its from myself, previous owner was pretty vague too. And previous owner before that claims its been in NZ for ages but no history on paper at all, it just seems to be a toy getting passed around for the last decade.

[Fast Eddie]

also i find it funny that here I am, trying to give the govt. a lot of registration money (1000cc) and licensing money with a basically brand new immaculate bike and they don't want to help out! seems like easy money to me. paperwork n red tape eh? always getting in the way

[timmehpwr]

okay heres what I did to get my 2000 DRZ400E re-registered after the previous owner handed the plates in 6 years ago..

1. Brake Declaration from Suzuki dealer $45 (don't think this is actually required tho - VTNZ told me it was, NZTA told me it wasn't...)
2. Letter from last registered owner confirming legitimate sale
3. Dropped it into VTNZ with paper work and $145 later + cost of 6 months registration its on the road with a new plate!! :D

[Fast Eddie]

okay heres what I did to get my 2000 DRZ400E re-registered after the previous owner handed the plates in 6 years ago..

1. Brake Declaration from Suzuki dealer $45 (don't think this is actually required tho - VTNZ told me it was, NZTA told me it wasn't...)
2. Letter from last registered owner confirming legitimate sale
3. Dropped it into VTNZ with paper work and $145 later + cost of 6 months registration its on the road with a new plate!! :D

But did you have record of the previous plate or anything related to the previous registration etc.. it isn't a problem re-reg'in dereg vehicles because they have been in the system before..

I want to reg this racebike which has all its road gear but NO history, its never ever been registered before in this country or any other but it is a road bike and has all its road gear.. hmmm I might take it past VTNZ again but I have a couple of years ago and they told me I need de-reg papers or something or nothing can be done which is sad

[FROSTY]

Fast eddie. If the bikes in from overseas having never been registered anywhere then good luck ol son.
BUT if it was imported into NZ and "sold" straight to a race team etc then your best avenue of investigation is to contact the NZ agent.If anybody can prove its legitimacy they can. From there you then go through the whole cycle.
Don't be suprised though if its a pre production model never actually intended to go on the road. You might find they are a bit less than helpfull if that is the case

[Fast Eddie]

Cheers - yea well I took it into MCR bike shop down here in Dunedin and they recon I just give them the bike, they do a brake cert/check? for 40 bucks per brake/120 bucks all up. And then they take it to VINZ and get it a VIN? It just sounded rather simple to me, too easy. I tried to explain its never been on the road before etc and that I have no history or record of it ever being road registered, But the bike shop insisted it wouldn't be a problem? I dunno.. I was going to give it a go but I don't want to spend money needlessly.

Waddya recon?

[Fast Eddie]

Oh and who did you mean by NZ Agent? cheers.

[FROSTY]

yamaha nz or suzuki nz etc

[Alexofbbulgaria]

I've just got a Yamaha SR250 1980 just back on the road. i was luckly enough to have the plate on the bike. this bike was last rego in 1996 and put on hold till 2003 where it expired. I took it into a VTNZ which I was told they need the bike for the whole day. Cost was $145. the person who does the bike doesn't start till 9.00am At 9:20am I get a call to say its done and Passed and I can pick it up. that was Quick. Takes longer for a normal rego on my car LOL. Then Paid for 6 months rego, that cost $225 with the my new licence plate.. I even still have my old one.
Very easy :2thumbsup

Which VTNZ is this??? I would love to find a place that is on the cheaper side of the 150 to 250 people say the inspections cost

[Alexofbbulgaria]

I just got a copy of the brake declaration to get my bike Vin'd, the thickness is easy but how do you guys do a home job measurement of the runout?

Is the deceleration different for every bike or is it the same declaration for all bikes? If it is the same please could you send it to me :)

[Alexofbbulgaria]

after reading the sr250 post i'm feeling a little more at ease with recomplying my gn..but question, if i have the plates and the last registration and wof tags, but no ownership papers, though do have police inspection form saying its not of any interest to them..is that all good? i got it from a mate who got it from his mum who bought it from an old neighbor to use as a farm bike.

How did the process go for your GN? I am getting a de-registered GN250 today and would be interested in hearing your story to see if it can help me when i do mine :)

[Alexofbbulgaria]

BC VTNZ here in henderson will do it for you.If you want me too I'll look it over pre inspection for you. Theres a chance I might spot something you missed and save you taking it back to VTNZ for recheck

Hey Frosty, if you are free would you mind also checking over mine before i send it in? I currently need a new front tyre and indicator casing then I think that it will be ready. It would be nice to get a second opinion before i send it in though :) I would like it just to fly through

The bike is a GN250 2007

[n0regret5]

How did the process go for your GN? I am getting a de-registered GN250 today and would be interested in hearing your story to see if it can help me when i do mine :)

Really easy. As long as everything is legal, you've got nothing to worry about

[Alexofbbulgaria]

Really easy. As long as everything is legal, you've got nothing to worry about

did ur bike have any rust on the front forkes like this?

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/10/225281210_full.jpg

[The Pastor]

Which VTNZ is this??? I would love to find a place that is on the cheaper side of the 150 to 250 people say the inspections cost

that price was from 3 years ago....

[n0regret5]

did ur bike have any rust on the front forkes like this?

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/10/225281210_full.jpg

No but as I understand if it's not on the slider bit that goes through the seal you may be ok. Don't quote me on that though.. It may need cleaning up (there's plenty of info online for that) or buy some new forks.. They're one of the most common bikes in NZ so shouldn't be too hard to find spare parts.

[awesker]

Hey Guys, Ive got a pretty dumb question but thought Id ask it here first than start a new thread.

My bike has had (I think) its rego put on hold from sometime around 2007, (I cant remember) and obviously has had its WOF expire. Who would be the best person to talk to so I can see where my bike lies legally? Like, if I need to go through the whole re-registering saga or what. Would it best to go into the post office, AA or something? VTNZ? Its still got its VIN# and I have the plate floating around somewhere if that helps.

Can someone also let me know if the information for Option #1 in the OP is still valid, Im not worried about prices, just steps to take.

Oh and lastly, who can do I talk to so I can some some proof of ownership paperwork? AA or something?

Cheers for any advice you can pass on, cant wait to get this RGV back on the road.

[Fast Eddie]

do you still have the number plate? and do you have a piece of paper that says you are the legal owner?
thats all you need, then take it to VTNZ or VINZ and they will do a slightly harder wof and then give you a new plate and licensing. its not that hard.

just take bike into VTNZ with old plate on it and you should be sweet.

if you don't have old plate it gets a little trickier but should still be able to trace its history easy enough.

regardless, VTNZ is prob your first port of call.

[awesker]

Yeah I've got the plate but I don't have any proof of ownership... Paperwork got lost in the ether. Any ideas where I can get a copy of that information?

edit: Called LSTA, they can send proof of ownership. Why didnt I think of that in the first place.. derp.

[Voltaire]

I have a deregistered Moto Guzz V50 Monza and I rang up VTNZ Sylvia Park, he said if its got a plate and a vin tag and I have a sale doc good to go no need for JP/Police letter.....but needs a brake check test by bike shop, I said was that not just post 1991 and he said all deregistered bikes.
I read earlier I could get the form and measure myself, I have micrometers. Any ideas on the Brake bit?
cheers
John

[actungbaby]

I have certified my own brakes twice now.Interesting thing is that all you need is the form(ask bike shop for one).The law with cert is that the calipers must be measured by competent person.This does not mean it has to be bike shop.You must list the min disc spec wear limit and measure with calipers.Then record your results and sign form.Be aware that false declaration is not advised cause they look at the brakes when doing warrent.
Also bikes pre 1991 do not require brake declaration at all.

VTNZ charged me $320 dollars for the last one I did(note rego has risen since then).This figure included 6months rego and new plate and warrent of fitness.This was on a lapsed expired plate bike with vin number only.
There was no pre inspection at $300.
All the inspection is part of warrent which gets done at same time.
Crash damage bikes need further inspections.

Thanks for that intresting point though why is it when my badley accident damaged vfr 750 i fixed repaired myself . i passed no problems

but the cbr 900rr with very mild faring damage because its lasped if its coorect what u say techincally it need bigger inspection

I know my lasped mx5 it was going need inspection where take nee hour or so inspection

but in general it just be more time spent id thought not taking thing to bits.

but in reality the black bike didnt need it only because of rego doesint make any sence to me other than extra income return.

i doubt have time to take bike to bits to check the frame all over .i look at it common sence to make sure you bike safe.

I noticed well , me and local parts guy the top triple clamp id striped ally had very small surface crack undeneth .

It whould not fhave we both agreed as where it was it was very well supported casting.

my bike the forks where actually sheared of on left side but didnt have any cracks in the frame which remarkable

testmony to how strong the frames on the vfr 750 are 1992.

The fork tube wasint just broken on one side it was only held on by the fork spring and metal been extruded

And stretched out on the break.whould take some force to do that.

[actungbaby]

I have a deregistered Moto Guzz V50 Monza and I rang up VTNZ Sylvia Park, he said if its got a plate and a vin tag and I have a sale doc good to go no need for JP/Police letter.....but needs a brake check test by bike shop, I said was that not just post 1991 and he said all deregistered bikes.
I read earlier I could get the form and measure myself, I have micrometers. Any ideas on the Brake bit?
cheers
John

hi john i noticed on ebay auction from seller motofix i deal with they had set brake rotors for my model cbr 900rr and listed good

discs plenty meat left 3.5mm i notiched where thinner than vfr 750 ones and thought shit must be worn out

But looked in service manually haynes i think good to go . dont qoute me on 3.5 i just going by vaugue memory just example

do serch on ebay for rotors they may mention the specs in the describtion . i never had problems with one time brought

Replacment rotors for vfr 750 and they passed .(second hand used) mind you guzzi be cast irom whouldint they say they last forever.

once brake a little bit u get rid that nasty rust ;-) mind you do guzzi need brakes hehe

[Shaun Harris]

who knows about the procedure to get a NEW ZEALAND built chassis package bike vinned and registered?

[Fast Eddie]

Let me get in on this, I've got a bike here in me shed which I put back together myself - never been registered in NZ and there is no history of it in NZ.. I bought the new frame ex Europe and the other bits came from a wrecked bike (I still have the wrecked bikes chassis but no number plate etc only a bill of sale from prev owner which is just scribbled on some pad paper and signed.

as it sits now it looks tidy and clean, everything is new on it, pads, discs, tyres, all bearings etc etc, no damage, everything works everything looks new.

All I want is to pay rego and pay wof and enjoy it.. being caught up in some crazy red tape or just people on the phone and at VINZ telling me different stories and basically telling me its not possible to register..

its a shame, I still ride it.. and yet to get in trouble on it.. but I have no problem with paying rego and getting wofs - more than happy to do it.. if only the govt would let me!

[nodrog]

who knows about the procedure to get a NEW ZEALAND built chassis package bike vinned and registered?

any vehicle certifier.

[Warr]

Let me get in on this,...- more than happy to do it.. if only the govt would let me!
According to NZ law the Frame is the bike.
You say the replacement frame came from Europe. VTNZ would need to see certificates from Europe that it is not stolen and a record of purchase and being imported into NZ. Then you have a chance of VTNZ VINing it and getting Rego & WOF.
If you dont have those documents it isnt going to happen.

Consider the old frame. Since you have a Bill Of Sale being proof of ownership you could get this Certified and Reg/WOF apart from its prob bent or rusted or worse.
But if it was together you have the legal paper trail VTNZ require.

I will suggest some other options in a PM

[GingerMidget]

Make sure the title doesn't contain the words salvage or wreck.
That adds a repair cert to your list, and that's a pain in the rear.

[Dave-]

How you fix it is up to you provided its repaired in a tradesman like and safe manner. It pays to do your sums -sometimes its better to replace the part thats bent --as long as its not the frame WARNING replaceing a swingarm can end up being a frustrating waste of effort. A second hand swingarm is likely from a damaged bike so might be as bent as th one you removed.
Once its fixed you need to call the engineer who will reinspect the bike to make sure its straight.
Once he is all happy he will issue you with his engineers report saying the bike is straight.


Out or curiosity, is there any time limit on this bit?

So do you have to complete the repairs within 28 days, 3 months or some arbitrary length of time?

Does the engineer recheck the whole bike or only the things you failed on?

[DanielM8]

Out or curiosity, is there any time limit on this bit?

So do you have to complete the repairs within 28 days, 3 months or some arbitrary length of time?

Does the engineer recheck the whole bike or only the things you failed on?

I believe the re cert inspection recheck is within 28 days in any case, regardless of the reason for failure.


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[Dave-]

I believe the re cert inspection recheck is within 28 days in any case, regardless of the reason for failure.


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that's the re-cert inspection, but I'm asking about the re-evaluation by the engineer.

[Mike.Gayner]

Let me get in on this, I've got a bike here in me shed which I put back together myself - never been registered in NZ and there is no history of it in NZ.. I bought the new frame ex Europe and the other bits came from a wrecked bike (I still have the wrecked bikes chassis but no number plate etc only a bill of sale from prev owner which is just scribbled on some pad paper and signed.

as it sits now it looks tidy and clean, everything is new on it, pads, discs, tyres, all bearings etc etc, no damage, everything works everything looks new.

All I want is to pay rego and pay wof and enjoy it.. being caught up in some crazy red tape or just people on the phone and at VINZ telling me different stories and basically telling me its not possible to register..

its a shame, I still ride it.. and yet to get in trouble on it.. but I have no problem with paying rego and getting wofs - more than happy to do it.. if only the govt would let me!

I understand your pain, Fast Eddie - the whole system is completely mired in bureaucracy. While I understand the WHY of all of this (keeping stolen cars off the system etc) I just don't agree that the system has been well considered. It also makes the concept of bespoke vehicles like yours untenable, which is sad.

[Fast Eddie]

I understand your pain, Fast Eddie - the whole system is completely mired in bureaucracy. While I understand the WHY of all of this (keeping stolen cars off the system etc) I just don't agree that the system has been well considered. It also makes the concept of bespoke vehicles like yours untenable, which is sad.

I know.. I keep the bike in the hope maybe one day it will happen.

Only suggestions that may work that I have had include a bit of cut and welding to swap chassis/vin numbers - which doesn't appeal to me haha. c'est la vie

[Grumph]

I know.. I keep the bike in the hope maybe one day it will happen.

Only suggestions that may work that I have had include a bit of cut and welding to swap chassis/vin numbers - which doesn't appeal to me haha. c'est la vie

Let wobbly know you have an unregisterable Aprilia....Next time he builds one of his Yam/prilla specials from a NZ registered bike, arrange a frame swap....

[Shaun Harris]

check out www.lvvta.org.nz


All the awnsers are on there, BUT!!!!!!! The certifier may ask for a lot of photos etc of the frame build to satisy them selves that it was done correctly and it is up to the certifier to get the cert done

[FROSTY]

Out or curiosity, is there any time limit on this bit?

So do you have to complete the repairs within 28 days, 3 months or some arbitrary length of time?

Does the engineer recheck the whole bike or only the things you failed on?
I'm going to have to take a pass on that one right now. the order you have to do things may have changed recently

[denill]

Have scrolled thru the thread but couldn't find my answer.

Can someone kindly help? Am looking at buying a 1952 Triumph. No plates, no rego number. What's the protocol? TIA".............

[DanielM8]

Have scrolled thru the thread but couldn't find my answer.

Can someone kindly help? Am looking at buying a 1952 Triumph. No plates, no rego number. What's the protocol? TIA".............

Does the previous owner have the old registration papers? If yes, that's all you need. If not, he needs to write/print you a receipt. It should be in a gst/tax invoice format and just state quantity 1x 1952 triumph .... Etc. and the vin number, then "as-is" and the purchase price. It should have the date of sale and sellers full name/address/signature.

You then take it in to an as compliance centre in your area and ask for a RE registration.. The receptionist will help you through the rest. These days it's all included, so for $250, they will Inspect it and give you a WOF.. You can buy the registration at the same place (minimum 6 months with plate, ~$200? On vintage bike).

That should be everything to get it back on the road.

The test is a bit more thorough than a WOF but hardly.. Just make sure it's up to warrantable standard before you take it in. Like a warrant, you get a 28 day recheck.


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[Mike.Gayner]

Have scrolled thru the thread but couldn't find my answer.

Can someone kindly help? Am looking at buying a 1952 Triumph. No plates, no rego number. What's the protocol? TIA".............

Not exactly the same facts, but I wrote this up about my experience:
http://a7avenger.wordpress.com/2014/06/09/re-registering-a-vehicle-in-new-zealand/

Hopefully you can get some value out of it. Short answer - you can register almost anything, but you might have to jump through some hoops and write a couple of cheques.

[denill]

Some good info here, including the blog.

In my case the TR5 does not come with any proof of rego.

[Mike.Gayner]

Some good info here, including the blog.

In my case the TR5 does not come with any proof of rego.

Still doable - get a letter from the police saying they have no interest in the frame or engine number, and get an ID from the Vintage Car Club ($100).

[DanielM8]

Still doable - get a letter from the police saying they have no interest in the frame or engine number, and get an ID from the Vintage Car Club ($100).

I didn't need the police letter when I did it. Was told they don't need it anymore.. Think they just use the police website and lookup the vin.


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[Mike.Gayner]

Daniel, I was advised the same thing, but I was also advised that more paperwork is better than less. The police request only took 2 days to process, and the constable that handled it ran a variety of checks to try (unsuccessfully) to locate the bike in the system or locate a previous owner. It's free and quick, so you may as well do it, particularly if you're short on documentation.

[marks]

Hi

Thanks Frosty for such excellent info.

I've just brought a Tiger 955 insurance write-off and need to go through the repair - re certification process

The LTSA site lists 2 engineers for Wellington - Steve Gaskin and Deane McMillan

Anyone dealt with either of these guys?

any info appreciated

Cheers


Mark

[Laava]

I didn't need the police letter when I did it. Was told they don't need it anymore.. Think they just use the police website and lookup the vin.


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You need a statutory declaration to say that you own the vehicle and it is not stolen.

[denill]

Would a 1952 Triumph require: Indicators & Brake Lamp?

[Mike.Gayner]

Would a 1952 Triumph require: Indicators & Brake Lamp?

Nope :) :)

[sonic_attack]

OK, fell over at the 2nd hurdle... Obtaining declaration from Police the VIN/REGO on my de-registered CB400N was of no interest to them.

They'll check and verbally tell me that the bike is of no interest to them, but not in writing. Because (allegedly) they can't give details of registered owner. OK, fair enough. I don't need the details of the registered owner, I just need a declaration stating the bike is of no interest to you, it's not stolen or reported stolen, it's not subject to any court order or a lean on possession - No, no written statement whatsoever.

Apparently no one has ever received a written declaration from the Police stating a motorcycle is of no interest to them. This has never happened (EVER) because the constable dealing with me has been a Police Officer for 10 years.
This is in Auckland Central Police station by the way... While strolling there I did consider these townies would just be a fuck-around, I was right.

So now WTF do I do?

I've already been to the postshop and tried the change of ownership, got nowhere because the vehicle is deregistered. CARJAM lists no details for either the VIN, nor the REGO plate for my de-registered Honda.

I anyone local in Auckland that could direct me to folk that won't be unhelpful in this situation? The situation being I've purchased an old bike, a few years (4 maybe) de-registered, I'm not the registered owner, I've no idea who the registered owner was as like any old shitter it's been passed around a bit and likely changed hands through swaps and deals. The bike itself doesn't need much, a clean up / tidy up and some indicators.

Which Police Station will issue declaration stating the item is of no interest to them firstly?

Thanks,

[FJRider]

OK, fell over at the 2nd hurdle... Obtaining declaration from Police the VIN/REGO on my de-registered CB400N was of no interest to them.

They'll check and verbally tell me that the bike is of no interest to them, but not in writing. Because (allegedly) they can't give details of registered owner. OK, fair enough. I don't need the details of the registered owner, I just need a declaration stating the bike is of no interest to you, it's not stolen or reported stolen, it's not subject to any court order or a lean on possession - No, no written statement whatsoever.



Apparently ... such Police clearance / Documentation is no longer required. For your stated reasons.





Persistence beats resistance ....

[sonic_attack]

Alrighty,

I've a receipt from the last "Owner" (Not registered owner..) I know the bike isn't stolen/of interest to police (they verbally told me). So I'll call a few different VTNZ's tomorrow.

[mossy1200]

Apparently no one has ever received a written declaration from the Police stating a motorcycle is of no interest to them.




Thanks,

Bollocks. Wellington central has done it for me 3 times and they even had a statement form premade that they entered details and signed. No cost and they did it one the spot took 5 mins to check the old plate and chasis details and finished.

Last one I did was 2 years ago so as others have suggested VTNZ may check the details now.

[FJRider]

Bollocks. Wellington central has done it for me 3 times and they even had a statement form premade that they entered details and signed. No cost and they did it one the spot took 5 mins to check the old plate and chasis details and finished.

Last one I did was 2 years ago so as others have suggested VTNZ may check the details now.

It is no longer required as ... (as some have already found) Police no longer make such written statements ...


My advise though ... is to ASK them anyway. Better to find out sooner than later.

[sonic_attack]

Roger that,

I figured I'd just walked into the wrong place. I find it impossible to believe there's no recourse for a vehicle who's last "registered" owners details have been lost over time. IE: there must be a solution, a relatively simple one.

As I said, I DO have a receipt of purchase from the fellow I purchased it from, though he wasn't the registered owner, likely just an owner from a long-ish list of owners after the bike was deregistered. It's just the hoops to jump through that're frustrating. It's like being stuck in some cycle of dealing with folk who should know, but don't and they just brush you off to the next agency, and of course you have to walk in there, you get nothing over the phone.

[Ixion]

Roger that,

I figured I'd just walked into the wrong place. I find it impossible to believe there's no recourse for a vehicle who's last "registered" owners details have been lost over time. IE: there must be a solution, a relatively simple one.

As I said, I DO have a receipt of purchase from the fellow I purchased it from, though he wasn't the registered owner, likely just an owner from a long-ish list of owners after the bike was deregistered. It's just the hoops to jump through that're frustrating. It's like being stuck in some cycle of dealing with folk who should know, but don't and they just brush you off to the next agency, and of course you have to walk in there, you get nothing over the phone.

Assuming

1. The bike wasn't deregistered because it was crashed (if it was you have more hoops to jump through)
2. That is was once registered in NZ (if it wasn't eg an immigrant's bike brought in in a container, you have a whole world of hassle, and it may not be worth it)

If it was once registered and you still have the plates, it's pretty easy. If you don't have the plates it's not a biggie, it will still be in that LANDATA system. No plates can get messy for older bikes (< 1980s), which were originally paper records. But it would be wise to try to find out why it was deregistered.

The police are no longer in the loop. That has been replaced by a statutory declaration (i.e. they've gone back to the old way).

Here is an excerpt from the VIRM (http://vehicleinspection.nzta.govt.nz/virms/entry-certification/i-and-c/required-documentation-and-registration/re-registering-a-vehicle)



1.2 Entitlement to register

The following documents may be used as proof of a clear ownership trail for a vehicle undergoing the re-registration process:

a signed receipt from the last registered owner
an original buyer tax invoice from some auction organisations as detailed in Reference material 69)
a signed statutory declaration. Note that there is no set format, but a statutory declaration must include the following statements:
1. ‘Solemnly and sincerely declare/affirm that’, and

2. ‘I make this solemn declaration conscientiously declaring the same to be true and by virtue of the Oaths and Declarations Act 1957’.

In all cases the person presenting the vehicle for re-registration must be the person listed on the supplied documentation and the following information must also be listed:

the vehicle’s make, model, VIN/chassis number
date of purchase
Name and address of seller (in the case of a Turners Auctions invoice, the Turners Auctions letterhead is acceptable).



Some (maybe not all) VTNZ have a standard template they will give you . It's not an official form, just a convenience, so it may vary from VTNZ to VTNZ and some may not have one. VTNZ Cavendish Drive in Manukau has one (and they are helpful and sensible). If I can figure out why the office scanner isn't working I’ll post up a scan of their one.

It’s pretty simple. You fill it in, don’t sign it, then find a JP and sign it in front of him. Your local Citizen’s Advice Bureau can put you in touch with a JP, most have one along at least one evening a week.

It’s post 1991 (Presumably) so you’ll need to take your brakes into a bike shop and get a brake declaration (They’ll have a form , or VTNZ will give you one). In theory you can do it yourself, might be pushing it.
Then take all your documentation (all of it) and the bike to the VTNZ. Up to you if you ride it or trailer it, VTNZ probably don’t care, the cop who stops you on the way may care

[sonic_attack]

Heyya,

Nah, 1981 CB400N. Just fell out of rego through regular lapsing.
309401

Rang Sylvia Park VTNZ today. I'll need statutory Declaration signed by JP. I have the form and will sort that at Auckland Central Library on Saturday arvo. So I asked the Woman about 3 times and the stat declaration and my License is all I'll need as far as that side goes. Unsure whether I'll need a brake declaration so dropped into Red Baron and got the form the other day anyway, and will go through that assuming I WILL have to. Doesn't seem a bad idea to turn up prepared anyway.

I'll stitch some indicators into it over the next couple weeks and check/repack/replace bearings and give it a general cleanup. It's not too untidy really, EconoHonda has sorted me a sweet and tidy seat. Apart from the seat and the missing lugs on the side-covers it seems fairly tight and solid. I don't see too many issues as far as road-worthiness goes.

I think I'm pretty well sorted. I'll update this with my own experience here in Auckland once it's all done. I was following the directions outlined in the first post, though the Police route seems to be a dead-end, at least here where I am anyway. This is basically the go to link when googling "reregistering motorcycle NZ" though the initial post is a little dated.

[Tazz]

Anyone have a source of the brake declaration form on line?

I can only find these three, but none of them seem to have the right wording to me (I don't need to replace anything), or do I just fill out the 'brake repair declaration' form, list the thickness of the discs and that's that?

It doesn't specifically say you need the thickness, but it seems to be part of the point of the whole exercise so that's what's thrown me.

https://vehicleinspection.nzta.govt.nz/virms/entry-certification/reference-materials/brake-declaration-templates

[Holy Roller]

The bike shop did mine for me

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[Shaun Harris]

Anyone have a source of the brake declaration form on line?

I can only find these three, but none of them seem to have the right wording to me (I don't need to replace anything), or do I just fill out the 'brake repair declaration' form, list the thickness of the discs and that's that?

It doesn't specifically say you need the thickness, but it seems to be part of the point of the whole exercise so that's what's thrown me.

https://vehicleinspection.nzta.govt.nz/virms/entry-certification/reference-materials/brake-declaration-templates


If it is all as per manufactured, it is fine. If lines are after market, the need to be the ones with the new accepted code on them

[Shaun Harris]

A simple thing to do, is get the Bike a pre registration Vin Number warrent check done, this proves the bike is legal for nz roads, and then take that to your vin agent

[Tazz]

A simple thing to do, is get the Bike a pre registration Vin Number warrent check done, this proves the bike is legal for nz roads, and then take that to your vin agent

Not a bad idea, common sense would say to do that...but, just wanting to avoid the costs as I've bought the bike to make money off (if that is ever possible :laugh:). It's just a lapsed rego, not a build project.

Mossy has done it himself a few times by the looks so will flick him a message.

Looking at it again it seems a bit more straight forward.

[Tazz]

Life is easier when you have the right form aye...

Hopefully anyone needing one in the future finds a PDF attached here.

Have never touched drum brakes so will be good to learn something new when measuring the rear.

[Shaun Harris]

Life is easier when you have the right form aye...

Hopefully anyone needing one in the future finds a PDF attached here.

Have never touched drum brakes so will be good to learn something new when measuring the rear.



To easy then

[akoni]

hi guys

i saw a brand new bike in japan motorshop which is not available in NZ.
i want to import it here, i already contacted a shipper japan to auckland for $750

my question is,
which one is better to import in terms of easier to road reg here in nz

BRAND NEW bike from japan motorshop dealer?
or
USED LOW MILEAGE from japan with registration papers already?

cause ive read that here in NZ it needs to have a dereg paper from japan before you can register it here.
but what if its a brand new bike from japan? fresh from dealer there zero mileage and ship directly here in NZ.

which one is better guys to import?
(note this motorbike model is not available here in NZ)

[cammy]

Hi,
I'm after some info if anyone is in the know
re: getting a bike Vined and registered for the first time in NZ.
I've bought second hand a trail bike, that I'd like to get on the road.
It's a KTM 450 EXC with all the road kit, just it hasn't had any Rego since
it was new.
I was told I need a Distribution Certificate from the KTM Dristributor but not sure
who they would be.

Cheers,
cammy

[Conquiztador]

hi guys

i saw a brand new bike in japan motorshop which is not available in NZ.
i want to import it here, i already contacted a shipper japan to auckland for $750

my question is,
which one is better to import in terms of easier to road reg here in nz

BRAND NEW bike from japan motorshop dealer?
or
USED LOW MILEAGE from japan with registration papers already?

cause ive read that here in NZ it needs to have a dereg paper from japan before you can register it here.
but what if its a brand new bike from japan? fresh from dealer there zero mileage and ship directly here in NZ.

which one is better guys to import?
(note this motorbike model is not available here in NZ)

Probably a little late now. But here goes: DO NOT PRIVATELY IMPORT A NEW/USED BIKE OF A MODEL THAT HAS NEVER BEEN SOLD IN NZ!! Every road worthy bike must be approved for NZ use. This is a costly (and often frustrating) exercise. Stick to models that have already been approved for NZ roads and your life will be so much better!

Someone else will have the info, but there are often small things that a bike from Japan (that is a model already OK'd for NZ use) needs to have done to be OK'd for NZ roads. This can be done without loosing your sanity.

[Conquiztador]

Hi,
I'm after some info if anyone is in the know
re: getting a bike Vined and registered for the first time in NZ.
I've bought second hand a trail bike, that I'd like to get on the road.
It's a KTM 450 EXC with all the road kit, just it hasn't had any Rego since
it was new.
I was told I need a Distribution Certificate from the KTM Dristributor but not sure
who they would be.

Cheers,
cammy

You are looking for KTM NZ: http://www.ktm.com/nz/contact-folder/contact/

As long as the bike was imported to NZ (they will have that info/those papers) you are half way there. Your KTM 450 EXC is road legal in NZ.

[george formby]

Probably a little late now. But here goes: DO NOT PRIVATELY IMPORT A NEW/USED BIKE OF A MODEL THAT HAS NEVER BEEN SOLD IN NZ!! Every road worthy bike must be approved for NZ use. This is a costly (and often frustrating) exercise. Stick to models that have already been approved for NZ roads and your life will be so much better!

Someone else will have the info, but there are often small things that a bike from Japan (that is a model already OK'd for NZ use) needs to have done to be OK'd for NZ roads. This can be done without loosing your sanity.

:sweatdropOh fuckedy fuck. So getting my ex Japan, ex UK, CRM on the road WILL be a nightmare? Arse.

[Conquiztador]

:sweatdropOh fuckedy fuck. So getting my ex Japan, ex UK, CRM on the road WILL be a nightmare? Arse.

I take that this means a Honda CRM. A dual purpose bike. As they have been imported to NZ by the Honda agent and there are ones on the road here, it should not be a major problem. The problem arises when bringing in an orphan that is the first one in NZ.

[biggo]

:sweatdropOh fuckedy fuck. So getting my ex Japan, ex UK, CRM on the road WILL be a nightmare? Arse.

As long as you have the de-reg cert from Japan you are sweet :)

[Dave-]

I take that this means a Honda CRM. A dual purpose bike. As they have been imported to NZ by the Honda agent and there are ones on the road here, it should not be a major problem. The problem arises when bringing in an orphan that is the first one in NZ.

This must be easier than having a totally custom made bike made compliant right?

[george formby]

As long as you have the de-reg cert from Japan you are sweet :)


Ex Japan, no. Ex UK yes, with quite a few years of DVLC history, too.

My reluctance to start the process stems from the horror stories I've heard. A guy locally imported his 750 Africa Twin from the UK and ended up having to completely strip the bike to remedy some "rust" that had been spotted on the frame. The Honda CRM 250R has been trail ridden and the bottom frame rails show it.. I'm not in a position for a motor out re-build should some jobs worth dictate it and the bike is otherwise in very good nick for it's vintage.

Still, it would make an excellent motard for my local nadgery.

[MGST]

A simple thing to do, is get the Bike a pre registration Vin Number warrent check done, this proves the bike is legal for nz roads, and then take that to your vin agent

How / where can I do this pre registration Vin Number check?

Can anyone recommend someone who has half a brain, can engage it, and works with you rather than against you? I need to get 2 bikes entry certified. I brought them home with me from OZ. I have all the paperwork. VTNZ / VINZ / AA want me to leave the bikes there for a day and a half for them to do their 1 hour inspection. I'm not leaving the bikes there unattended to get stolen abused / ridden / damaged. The bikes are rare / valuable, and parts are a nightmare in the case some dickhead inspector damages something.

If it they make it too hard, I'll just put them in the garage for 2 years so I don't have to pay GST, and then sell them to overseas.

[Bob_]

Life is easier when you have the right form aye...

Hopefully anyone needing one in the future finds a PDF attached here.

Have never touched drum brakes so will be good to learn something new when measuring the rear.

Does anyone have an example of a completed brake deceleration form? The form you need to complete is for "brake repair" and not explicitly for the re-registration process (I don't need to replace or repair the brakes).

Do I just it fill it in as it I were replacing all the components with used ones (ie the ones that are on there already?) plus explicitly state the discs are within manufactures tolerances?

Thanks for any info, would be handy to save $100 for 5 minutes work and a using a pair of calipers.

[Mike.Gayner]

Brake declaration is a very simple document. I had a mechanic do it, but I believe you can measure and write it out yourself.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9cCLElffq8vNFl2RXZicVFhVmc/view?usp=sharing

[Bob_]

Brake declaration is a very simple document. I had a mechanic do it, but I believe you can measure and write it out yourself.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9cCLElffq8vNFl2RXZicVFhVmc/view?usp=sharing

Thanks Mike,

That helps, although it is a completely different form to one listed by Tazz, anyone know if it has been updated?

[FJRider]

This is the NZTA one ... Not difficult to understand what to write in the spaces provided ...

https://vehicleinspection.nzta.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/21593/Brake-repair-declaration.pdf

Interesting reading here ...

http://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.nz/f18/getting-motorcycle-re-registered-results-27211/

[cods4]

Not sure what bikes they are, but if they were made before 1990 i believe you don't have to worry about the brake form. I didn't need to do it for my 1989 ZXR250 when I had it re-registered. It may be different if you are registering it in NZ for the first time.

I took mine to VINZ in Mt Wellington and had no issues. They just kept it for the one day for re-registration. I chose them because I had a very good experience with VINZ in chch a few years ago with getting a car re-registered. Won't ever take any vehicle to VTNZ again after a number of bad experiences at various branches.

[Bob_]

For those with the ability and desire to carry out the inspection yourself here is the nzta procedure you need to follow

http://vehicleinspection.nzta.govt.nz/virms/entry-certification/i-and-c/brakes/inspection-specifications

or pdf:

http://vehicleinspection.nzta.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0012/46011/I-and-C-8-2-inspection-specifications.pdf

[Tazz]

Thanks Mike,

That helps, although it is a completely different form to one listed by Tazz, anyone know if it has been updated?

If unsure I think you need to do what I did, which is go and ask the branch you will be taking the bike to what they want/need from you =)

[Wishbone]

Hi members, I am new to your site and wondered if you could help, please.
I have bought an imported race bike, unregistered, and would like to re-build it/ re-assemble it onto another frame of the same make and model.
Can I do this legally and what needs to be done. The bike is a 1999 Yamaha YZF-R6 and is in running order as it is.
All help and suggestions greatly appreciated. Thanks

[Mike.Gayner]

Hi members, I am new to your site and wondered if you could help, please.
I have bought an imported race bike, unregistered, and would like to re-build it/ re-assemble it onto another frame of the same make and model.
Can I do this legally and what needs to be done. The bike is a 1999 Yamaha YZF-R6 and is in running order as it is.
All help and suggestions greatly appreciated. Thanks

Do you have a specific question? You've only asked if it's legal to build a motorcycle - of course it is. Are you wanting to register the bike at the end of it? Registration follows the frame - does your donor frame have a rego? Whatever you're looking to do, it's unlikely to be smart or cost-effective on a 1999 R6.

[cods4]

The best way to go would be to get a straight frame from a bike that has been registered in New Zealand and the rego has either lapsed or is on hold. The key would be to get one that has not been deregistered due to being written off, because then you need to pay a repair certifier to inspect it.

Then obviously transfer everything across to the new frame and get the bike re-registered.

One more thing to look out for, when you take it to vinz or wherever to re-register it they will want to see proof that the bike was previously registered in New Zealand and that you are the legal owner of the bike. So when you get the doner bike ask for the old plates, registration label and ownership papers if possible. Then also write up a basic sale and purchase agreement and get the seller to sign it.

[Wishbone]

Do you have a specific question? You've only asked if it's legal to build a motorcycle - of course it is. Are you wanting to register the bike at the end of it? Registration follows the frame - does your donor frame have a rego? Whatever you're looking to do, it's unlikely to be smart or cost-effective on a 1999 R6.

Hi Mike, yeah I didn't make that too clear did I ... but you have. Thanks. I have a working race bike and want to get it registered for road use. I have purchased another frame and want to transfer everything over.
I just need to get proof of (past) ownership now and get to work. Thanks again.

[Wishbone]

The best way to go would be to get a straight frame from a bike that has been registered in New Zealand and the rego has either lapsed or is on hold. The key would be to get one that has not been deregistered due to being written off, because then you need to pay a repair certifier to inspect it.

Then obviously transfer everything across to the new frame and get the bike re-registered.

One more thing to look out for, when you take it to vinz or wherever to re-register it they will want to see proof that the bike was previously registered in New Zealand and that you are the legal owner of the bike. So when you get the doner bike ask for the old plates, registration label and ownership papers if possible. Then also write up a basic sale and purchase agreement and get the seller to sign it.

Thanks Scooter Boy, all clear now. Cheers

[Conquiztador]

The ones here who have been through the process, the ones who have read all that is in this brilliant thread and the ones who already know it all will learn very little from what you read in my post. But for the ones who are a little lost and confused or in the process of going down this road I hope I can shine some light on your struggle.

A few years ago I picked up a 2005 Suzuki GN from Turners damaged vehicle department. It was advertised on Trade Me. I was told the bikes plates had been handed in by Turners (as they do with most bikes that have even minor damage). I won the auction for $505. "A bargain" I was thinking.

* Mistake 1. I did not check the reason the bike had been de-registered and what was entered in the records online.

- Purchase Cost $505

I had sold some stuff to Hamilton and Auckland (deals included delivery) so I picked up the bike at the same time.

- Pickup cost $0

I put the bike in my shed with the intention to get it sorted tomorrow. Tomorrow became next month... next month became next year.

* Mistake 2. I never took any pics of the bike showing what state it was in when I got it.

I had promised the bike all sorted and on the road to someone and so I, at last, got stuck in.
First thing I did was to check the status of the registration. I found out that the bike was a NZ new bike (not imported s/h from Japan). I was also told by VTNZ that getting it back on the road was no problem. "Just bring it in, we do the check and paperwork and you be on the road".

* Mistake 3. I did not get a printout of the bikes status confirming what I had been told.

I then purchased the parts that I needed to get her back on the road:

- 4 x indicators (I found them at the local Suzuki shop. Much tidier black ones than the hideous silver ones the GN's are fitted with. There were 2 issues: The indicators I got (all 4 for $10) were from farm bikes (farmers often don't want/need them so they are not installed). The bulbs were for a 6volt system and were a smaller version that no bike shop seems to carry in 12v version. I found right size 12v ones on TM. Issue 1 solved! Issue 2: They did not have the 'e' marking that is required for a license/rego check. But I decided to chance it...

- Cost for indicators $10
- Cost for bulbs $12

I also needed a straight set of s/h handlebars ($30) and both side covers ($70 for 2)

- Cost for hadlebars and side covers $100

I spent a couple w/e's sorting all including clear laquering the tank after I had carefully tidied it up ready for paint (there was no dents). I used a rattle can and it turned out surprisingly well! I did some straightening of bits, but found no problems with frame, swing arm, forks or wheels! I fitted a set of mirrors I had lying around and after some final polishing she was ready. (I had expected that I would have to replace the battery, but it was in OK nick, so I left it in! I did an oil change and replaced oil and airfilter.

- Rattle can of clear $14
- Cost for oil and filters $80

I went to a JP and signed the declaration re where I bought the bike. (Needed if you do not have a invoice/receipt from the purchase (no, a hand written from a random seller will not do...)

I also filled in the Brake form and signed it.

So we were, at last, ready for a new licensing and rego plate! I took the GN in to VTNZ, gave them the signed forms (as above) expecting them to do a check, re-register her and give me a WOF... After charging me $179 for a relicensing/rego check and WOF they told me that the bike needed an engineers report as the GN had been written of by the insurance company...

- Cost $179

I was given the contact details for the only approved engineer to do the work in Napier. I spoke with him on the phone and dropped the bike off to where he does the work. Took him 2 weeks to do the job and the charge was $230. Luckily the bike was OK and needed no structural work. (He requested pictures from before I started the work on the bike, but I had none. That was a little of a problem he told me... I then offered to bring the bits I had changed, so I took indicators, the one old side covers and bent handlebars. I also wrote a detailed record of what I had done to the bike and left it on the bike). I was expecting to hear from him, but 2 weeks later I heard from the accounts lady who told me to pick up the bike. I did.

- Cost $230

Next day I took the bike back to VTNZ where the process was now simple. Give the engineers report, fill in paperwork to enter bike in register and I was given the new plates and the WOF. I also had to pay 6 months rego. All up $270 (as I had paid for the check before, this was for the plate and 6 months rego.

- Cost $270

So the "brilliant deal" had now cost me all up $1,400

A working older GN250 that is 'on the road' tends to go for between $800 - $1,500. You can pay more for a later model one or one that is in exeptionally good nick.

What would I do different next time:
Here:
1. I would make sure I knew the status of the bike (written off, de-regoed, lapsed or all legal for road). This would heavily affect the price I would pay. No way would I pay $1,400 for this bike if I had the plan of re-selling for a small profit. But if I was looking for a decent bike for someone I knew then yes, I would consider it.
2. If I today purchased the same bike for the same price I would wreck the bike and sell for parts. I estimate that would have been approx $1.500 giving me $1.000 profit with much less hassle!!

But hey, I know the bike, I know she is OK and I am happy to give her to someone I care about.

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[rok-the-boat]

I have a 2008 KTM530. The VIN is in the system but it has never been registered in NZ and it is an Australian import. I have a receipt from the previous owner and the police say they have no interest in the vehicle. No other documentation. Should I continue to try to get it registered or am I going to waste my $$$ and hit a brick wall? I have vinned two previous bikes but neither were this tricky. Any advice appreciated. Would be good to get this road legal so I can ride to some off road trails nearby.

PS The police told me they no longer do written statements of no interest, but they told me the vinning people could/would check if they needed to.

[biggo]

I have a 2008 KTM530. The VIN is in the system but it has never been registered in NZ and it is an Australian import. I have a receipt from the previous owner and the police say they have no interest in the vehicle. No other documentation. Should I continue to try to get it registered or am I going to waste my $$$ and hit a brick wall? I have vinned two previous bikes but neither were this tricky. Any advice appreciated. Would be good to get this road legal so I can ride to some off road trails nearby.

PS The police told me they no longer do written statements of no interest, but they told me the vinning people could/would check if they needed to.

You will need proof of previous registration in Australia and an audit trail back to the last registered owner . Or apply for alternate documents which can have mixed success

[rok-the-boat]

You will need proof of previous registration in Australia and an audit trail back to the last registered owner . Or apply for alternate documents which can have mixed success

OK - shall look into it. But the VIN is in the NZ system somehow, which must be a good thing.

[rok-the-boat]

My KTM530 VIN appears in a Carjam search. NZ new - but never been registered. Better than I thought as the previous owner told me he thought it was imported from Australia - maybe he got confused with Austria - ha ha.

Police say not stolen, as does Carjam, no money owing etc.

Looking good to proceed with the vinning process, once I sort out a few things. Shall order top end kit, new wheel bearings, brake master cylinders ... n such like.

[Conquiztador]

My KTM530 VIN appears in a Carjam search. NZ new - but never been registered. Better than I thought as the previous owner told me he thought it was imported from Australia - maybe he got confused with Austria - ha ha.

Police say not stolen, as does Carjam, no money owing etc.

Looking good to proceed with the vinning process, once I sort out a few things. Shall order top end kit, new wheel bearings, brake master cylinders ... n such like.

Did you get the bike on the road?

[smithy96]

just a few questions
1. how can i get previous owner details or current owner details?
2. since i'm assuming this bike bounced around with no papers. (my uncle brought it for a couple hundred and didn't do any paperwork.) do you think its still possible to get ownership papers and re-registered?
3.i have the frame number and engine number how can i find out the history and number plate fo the bike when last registerd.
i emailed blue wing honda and got this reply "It was then sold to our dealer Pink and Collison on the 28th September 1982." and they had o other records of it.

[sidecar bob]

Go to AA 3rd Avenue & see Andrew.
He will tell you what is required at this level.
There is a form you take to the court house, a declaration of sorts that you & a court registrar both sign to state that it's not stolen.
A rego number helps vastly.
Is there an old wof label inside the side cover or some other random place they stuck them in the past?
You will also need a brake declaration form from them to fill out.
You need to measure the brake drum diameter & brake shoe wear & provide information proving the original diameter etc, showing max wear limits.
That kind of info is usually in a Haynes manual or probably online now.

[jellywrestler]

just a few questions
1. how can i get previous owner details or current owner details?
2. since i'm assuming this bike bounced around with no papers. (my uncle brought it for a couple hundred and didn't do any paperwork.) do you think its still possible to get ownership papers and re-registered?
3.i have the frame number and engine number how can i find out the history and number plate fo the bike when last registerd.
i emailed blue wing honda and got this reply "It was then sold to our dealer Pink and Collison on the 28th September 1982." and they had o other records of it.

what is it, a big four, they were popular in those days

[smithy96]

thanks for the reply sidecar bob. will be doing that once were down a few more levels.


what is it, a big four, they were popular in those days

its 1982 cg125 honda. tiny little bit

[ratfink]

All the helpful info I read here assumes you have some sort of history for your bike. I have just bought a 1967 Triumph. The guy bought it as boxes of bits from the previous owner. Neither the guy I bought it off or the previous 2 owners ever had plates or papers. It was bought as a frame a and parts as a Conrod had let go and smashed the original cases. So I have no way to prove the vehicle was previously registered in NZ. The guy 2 owners ago got some second hand cases for it but never got around to assembling it, nor did the guy I bought it off. As far as I can ascertain the bike has been in bits for well over 20 years.
So, where do I start.

[jim.cox]

So, where do I start.

with the frame number

[Ser Olmy]

Had a search of the forum (and some general googling) but couldn't find an answer, so am posting my question here as it seems the most logical place.

Looking at the VIRMS for motorcycle repair certification (https://vehicleinspection.nzta.govt.nz/virms/light-vehicle-repair/motorcycles/measurements#tab2) some measurements are required. What is the difference between figure 10-2-2 "Steering head angle measurement" and figure 10-2-3 "Front wheel castor angle measurement"? Not sure if it's the beer talking but the measurements appear to be identical? Could someone ELI5 please?

[pete376403]

Had a search of the forum (and some general googling) but couldn't find an answer, so am posting my question here as it seems the most logical place.

Looking at the VIRMS for motorcycle repair certification (https://vehicleinspection.nzta.govt.nz/virms/light-vehicle-repair/motorcycles/measurements#tab2) some measurements are required. What is the difference between figure 10-2-2 "Steering head angle measurement" and figure 10-2-3 "Front wheel castor angle measurement"? Not sure if it's the beer talking but the measurements appear to be identical? Could someone ELI5 please?
If the triple clamp has an offset between the top and bottom yoke, the the angles of the steering head and the caster could be different. Could be a way of raking the forks out (ie like a chopper, in conjunction with longer fork tubes) or going the other way to quicken the steering, without cutting and welding the frame.

[Ser Olmy]

If the triple clamp has an offset between the top and bottom yoke, the the angles of the steering head and the caster could be different. Could be a way of raking the forks out (ie like a chopper, in conjunction with longer fork tubes) or going the other way to quicken the steering, without cutting and welding the frame.

Ohhh! Thanks! I (think I?) get it now. So the castor angle and steering head angle would be different when the forks are not parallel with the steering head/stem? (And therefore identical angles when forks and stem are parallel?)

Something just clicked in my brain. Is that a common configuration? I can see why choppers would require it, or there would be some hilarious arm movements to swing the handlebars to turn. But for other styles? Are there any performance or maintenance advantages to running non parallel?

[F5 Dave]

Look mate. Choppers are cool and not to be referred to as hilarious. Very serious and dangerous men ride such beasts. Everyone is watching and very impressed.

Loud pipes save lives.

In the wind righteous bro.

:scooter: