Manfeild help?

[SWERVE]

Hi all.
We are coming up from ChCh for the next round in sept.:woohoo:
#1 Whats the story as regards to power for tyre warmers etc........ is there power available (if so what connectors used) Is it complimentary or extra$$$
Or do we need to bring the generator.

#2 Can somebody write me a description of a lap of short circuit......ie turn 1 - rt hander /off camber etc etc. (PM me if you wish) Have a circuit map to refer too.
Just like to get a feel for the layout before i try it for real and as we are on dial up all your onboards vids just take way to long to download.:bash:

Any help would be appreciated thanks.:scooter:

[Skunk]

There's power in every shed and pit bay. I think it's either free or $5. Bring an extension cord and power board (as you would normally I guess).

The track is not flat. That's all I can tell you. Sketchy has a single lap on his website (www.skachillracing.co.nz scroll down to "Manfeild Test Day 29-05-09" ) which would be worth the dial up time.


Garage Hire:
Manfeild: 14 single garages with power at a cost of $75 each per day are available from the Manfeild Park office on
the day. Covered stalls with limited power are available at no cost on a first-in-first-served basis. 8 (double bay) pit
lane garages are also available $200 per day. There are 2 older double garages available for $150 per day. To hire
contact the Manfeild office directly or email steve@manfeild.co.nz.
Please check prices when booking.

[quallman1234]

There is plently of power if you get in early and get a 'stable' or going all out and hire a pit garage. Stables are free. Pit's cost X amount.

Refer to here for a map.
http://www.manfeild.co.nz/infopage10.asp

There are a couple patches throughout the track, but nothing that bad. Best its been since ive been racing there. (Started 07').
And of course the track is very banked.

[Tony.OK]

Heres one I did in another thread (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1894587&postcount=8)...........may be of some help:blink:


Original Thread (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1894587#post1894587)

[sinfull]

My take on it Merve !
Brake marker turn 1 at full speed (not the start) Try using the end of the concrete pit lane wall, 2nd gear with a 15/47 gearing, come in wide and apex late will give ya better drive (unless your protecting ya line) slight on camber here and good gains can be made out braking others and driving inside them !

Turn 2 flat out, and back to 2nd for turn 3, watch T3 as its 1 of only 2 left handers and ya tyres wont have warmed to it after 4 laps even, many have fallen here, usually as ya apex and on the gas, has a slight on camber but they call it splash for a reason, start out wide and apex late on this left hander and you'll have a flat out run through turn 4 to the hairpin !

Been told to cut T4 and then straight up high on the camber of T5 hairpin (big high camber) which gives you big drive up the straight toward higgins T6, but i still keep it tight and end up wide (sometimes too wide) and yes i get eaten up here !

Higgins T6 is another high camber where you can brake very late and get some good drive by stay left and apexing late or protect ya line by keeping it tight, a good overtaking corner as it is a wide one, you might get some rear slide on the inside line (seen a couple of highsides here) Second gear for me !

Flat out and go for top down the back straight ! You will prolly still be hanging off 2 hundy mtrs up the straight as it turns right slightly, be aware that where you will want to shuffle back on the seat, the track has a slight rise and can cause a slight tank slap as you move yr arse, I often stay hanging till the sweeper !

The sweeper is just that, good high camber and very fast, he who has the nads can take it here without braking !
One line i got shown by Bernard is As ya head down the straight move to the left, then apex early so your heading toward the D on the third (i think from mem) Dunlop sign, down 2 as ya head up the camber which by rights will slow you enough without braking (hehe i'll tell ya when the nads grow a bit more)

Many will brake early and treat the whole thing as a sweeper and you can gain a lot of ground on em by double apexing, with the first one fairly early and keep the speed on till very late heading up the camber ! The higher up ya are, the more drive ya got on others on the exit and top end up the other end of the straight (something i have thought of trying is to stay high till you can see the gap between the glid markings, then dropping it over and apex late, Ya want to head for the clear track between the grid lines as they can be slippery !

[sinfull]

Heres one I did in another thread (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1894587&postcount=8)...........may be of some help:blink:


Original Thread (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1894587#post1894587)

Wot he said hahaha bloody RSI

[SWERVE]

Thanks guys.
Guess its alot tighter on space than what we are used to down here.
Will bring generator in case we dont get in the gate soon enough.:scooter:
Guess there is plenty of outside space for an ezy-up.

really looking forward to racing with you guys......like the layout of circuit.......think it will suit 675.:rockon:

[JayRacer37]

Fun track Merv. Nothing like down here. Being able to link corners arn't as important as being able to use all the track wisely through just one turn. The banking can be a headf**ker. It's the opposite to South Is tracks and takes some getting used to if you've been on flat tracks, you can get away with a lot more. Turn one is the only flat corner. Apex too early and you will run wide. Some people brake wide, some brake pointing in tight and 'flop' it on its side when you get to the paint - I come in fairly tight. Turn two, tip in as late as you can, and get in really tight to the paint - the bump mid corner is worse the wider you get. Splash is a pain - as Sinfull said, left handers are rare at Manfeild. don't get too wide on the way in here, the line is fairly natural but some people (In my opinion) stay too far right on the tip in, and waste time. Use a good portion of the exit but don't forget to give yourself room for turn four. Use all the exit here and right straight up the banking for the hairpin (same as Sinfull). Turn the bike hard and try to fire across the apex without running to wide (better to give mid-corner speed away here, than giving away exit speed). Higgins is simple, but don't run too high up the banking, often staying really low is good. I like how Sinfull describes the Sweeper, the double apex is the way to go. Use all the track on the exit but watch out for the camber going flat on the top 1/5th of the track - plenty of highsides here. I use a bit of the kerb occasionally.


Also, I havn't ridden there in quite some time so I don't know what the track condition is like but it's usually pretty bad compared to Ruapuna. Lots of mid-corner bumps, particullary watch running offline in the mid/exit of the sweeper. You will see what I mean when you get there :)

[sinfull]

Thanks guys.
Guess its alot tighter on space than what we are used to down here.
Will bring generator in case we dont get in the gate soon enough.:scooter:
Guess there is plenty of outside space for an ezy-up.

really looking forward to racing with you guys......like the layout of circuit.......think it will suit 675.:rockon:

I always bring my geny mate, unfortunately it wont run 4 sets of warmers !
Your staying close on the friday night aint ya ? If ya get there by 7-7.30 you'll get stall space and time for a walk round the track if your into it ! but yeah truckloads of room for easyups !

Other thing i got told by a fast 675 team is to use a 15/46 sproket combo
I'm still on 15/47 as i'm well off that pace !
Oh and Skunk is right too, bring extra multi boards as there is only one power outlet to every 8 or so bikes !

If you are limited for space i have tyre changing gear compressor tools etc which your welcome to use !

[SWERVE]

Thanks Sinfull.
Thats given me a pretty good starting point. We are staying in Palmy so should be at the track at 7.00am. 46 rear is the only one i haven,t got but can get pretty close to that ratio. Obviously not a particually high speed circuit (the gearing suggests lots of 2nd/3rd gear pull needed).:rockon:

Thanks Jay.
Im looking forward to racing somewhere that isnt "flat as" And the banking sounds good. Sounds like the haipin at Oulten Park (UK) awesome when ya get ya head round it. Sounds abit more like a typical short english circuit (i should feel right at home) And i prefer clockwise too.:scooter:

PS.if ya like banking Rockingham in Uk is the one........ you use part of the Nascar outer ring. Buzzing along the top next too the wall flat in 5th is awesome. And then there is the drop onto the infield.:woohoo:

[ajturbo]

My take on it Merve !
Brake marker turn 1 at full speed (not the start) Try using the end of the concrete pit lane wall, 2nd gear with a 15/47 gearing, come in wide and apex late will give ya better drive (unless your protecting ya line) slight on camber here and good gains can be made out braking others and driving inside them !

Turn 2 flat out, and back to 2nd for turn 3, watch T3 as its 1 of only 2 left handers and ya tyres wont have warmed to it after 4 laps even, many have fallen here, usually as ya apex and on the gas, has a slight on camber but they call it splash for a reason, start out wide and apex late on this left hander and you'll have a flat out run through turn 4 to the hairpin !

Been told to cut T4 and then straight up high on the camber of T5 hairpin (big high camber) which gives you big drive up the straight toward higgins T6, but i still keep it tight and end up wide (sometimes too wide) and yes i get eaten up here !

Higgins T6 is another high camber where you can brake very late and get some good drive by stay left and apexing late or protect ya line by keeping it tight, a good overtaking corner as it is a wide one, you might get some rear slide on the inside line (seen a couple of highsides here) Second gear for me !

Flat out and go for top down the back straight ! You will prolly still be hanging off 2 hundy mtrs up the straight as it turns right slightly, be aware that where you will want to shuffle back on the seat, the track has a slight rise and can cause a slight tank slap as you move yr arse, I often stay hanging till the sweeper !

The sweeper is just that, good high camber and very fast, he who has the nads can take it here without braking !
One line i got shown by Bernard is As ya head down the straight move to the left, then apex early so your heading toward the D on the third (i think from mem) Dunlop sign, down 2 as ya head up the camber which by rights will slow you enough without braking (hehe i'll tell ya when the nads grow a bit more)


wow.. you really want to beat this guy..!!

now tell him the truth big boy...!!

you brake markers a WAY to soon...









oh you MEANT it to be like that....

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

[QUOTE=sinfull;1129372637]
The sweeper is just that, good high camber and very fast, he who has the nads can take it here without braking !
One line i got shown by Bernard is As ya head down the straight move to the left, then apex early so your heading toward the D on the third (i think from mem) Dunlop sign, down 2 as ya head up the camber which by rights will slow you enough without braking (hehe i'll tell ya when the nads grow a bit more)

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are you serious? taking dunlop without brakes? :gob:

[sinfull]

wow.. you really want to beat this guy..!!

now tell him the truth big boy...!!

you brake markers a WAY to soon...









oh you MEANT it to be like that.... Haha he aint on an RG AJ ( Deliberately left markers out too bro haha apart from one and i did say try it there first)



are you serious? taking dunlop without brakes? :gob: Did say i aint got the nads lol, attempted it once (and don't get me wrong here, I've only raced at Manfeild 3 or 4 times, I aint fast by any means, so not at the speeds others might get to the end of the back str8, backed off the gas rather early too) then fucked up, thought OMG i'm going in way too hot (too late to touch the brake), fixated a bit on the wall and had to conciously snap myself out of it and throw it over, remember thinking i can do this, i have to lol ! Scared the crap out of me ! I brake every time now, but thinking back the rush of fear was pretty cool !
I'm sure Jay or someone more experienced will correct me if i was put crook, or back it up ?

[scracha]

T1. Nasty bump on outside of it if you stay really wide and turn in a bit late...your balls will know about it if you hit it. You can brake really late here, past the wall and just after the first braking marker as there's loads of grip. 3rd gear for me as it's quite fast. Possible to highside on exit.

T2. Flat out. There's a bump about 1/3 from the inside so go high or go low.

T3. Yuk. I drop 2 gears and commute around it as my balls shrink.

T4. Deceptive corner. You can highside a 400 here on the gas even when it's bone dry.

Hairpin. Fark knows. I'm rubbish at it. Grip and bumps seem to change here evey month. Brake early until you get used to it....if you miss your turn in and carry a little bit too much speed you will almost certainly be on your arse. Exit speed is all important. Don't go too wide on exit as less grip. 2nd gear for moi.

Higgins T6. Cambered and pretty fast. 3rd gear for moi or 4th if track is super sticky. Keep it tight on the exit as the outside seems to be highside city. Lots and lots of crashes here. Tank slap where little kink well after exit.

Sweeper. Yeah, double apex it. Bang it down a gear and dab brakes just before clenching your arse cheecks, getting on gas and turning it as late as you dare. Camber goes off towards the outside though so don't leave it too late. Be aware of smacking into other bikes taking strange lines through here.

[JayRacer37]

Haha he aint on an RG AJ ( Deliberately left markers out too bro haha apart from one and i did say try it there first)

Did say i aint got the nads lol, attempted it once (and don't get me wrong here, I've only raced at Manfeild 3 or 4 times, I aint fast by any means, so not at the speeds others might get to the end of the back str8, backed off the gas rather early too) then fucked up, thought OMG i'm going in way too hot (too late to touch the brake), fixated a bit on the wall and had to conciously snap myself out of it and throw it over, remember thinking i can do this, i have to lol ! Scared the crap out of me ! I brake every time now, but thinking back the rush of fear was pretty cool !
I'm sure Jay or someone more experienced will correct me if i was put crook, or back it up ?

To be fair, I have heard plenty of stories about the Sweeper, but I've never gone around there without braking, even if its just grazing the lever. If your attacking the corner hard on the gas you will need to be braking to get some speed off! Although, if you use the banking right, you barely need to brake at all, just to scrub some speed, I think that was what you were aiming at eh Sinfull?

[ajturbo]

To be fair, I have heard plenty of stories about the Sweeper, but I've never gone around there without braking, even if its just grazing the lever. If your attacking the corner hard on the gas you will need to be braking to get some speed off! Although, if you use the banking right, you barely need to brake at all, just to scrub some speed, I think that was what you were aiming at eh Sinfull?
and what would you know...crash?:chase:

[sinfull]

To be fair, I have heard plenty of stories about the Sweeper, but I've never gone around there without braking, even if its just grazing the lever. If your attacking the corner hard on the gas you will need to be braking to get some speed off! Although, if you use the banking right, you barely need to brake at all, just to scrub some speed, I think that was what you were aiming at eh Sinfull?
Thanks Jay, Yeah Pretty much ! Words used were slightly different, but i took em to mean, if ya get the apex's right you could do it all under engine braking !

Would hate to put anyone crook and have em say "you said it could be done" ! Cause i sure as hell cant do it lol Sure as hell like to be able to !

[JayRacer37]

and what would you know...crash?:chase:

Not ever there though, Slow...? :scooter: :rockon:

[SWERVE]

Hey guys some very good info in there thanks.:clap:
Just trying to get a vision in my head before the trip.
Obviously wanna be there early enough to walk track.............. with the notes given from you guys.
Might even be there early enough on fri to have a walk round and a chat.

At least my bike is easy to see ( orange like the saftey vests..........so you can all avoid me wobbling round to start with):banana:

[Peter Smith]

Might even be there early enough on fri to have a walk round and a chat.


Friday is a test day organised by Manfield. $100. Check out their web site.
I haven't raced there for 15 years, so I'm gonna do the test day.
Might see ya there?

[Marknz]

Good thread, 'cause I'm fooked if I can figure out the sweeper.

Swerve, see if you can get there earlier on the Friday and join in the test day. It could prove very valuable.

[SWERVE]

Would love to do the test day...............however i like most of you is just a mere mortal who only has so many days holiday a year.
And it all gets taken up with bike racing one way or another.:innocent:
Just have to keep buying that yellow ticket i guess:soon:

[wharfy]

Good thread, 'cause I'm fooked if I can figure out the sweeper.

Swerve, see if you can get there earlier on the Friday and join in the test day. It could prove very valuable.
Me and all, but I know that the tyre wall comes up FAST when you "fail to negotiate the bend" as they say in crash reports. And that is at the paltry speed I managed to attain coming off the extension. I would not like to see one of the fast guys loose it there at the speeds they are doing, they would hit those tyre REALLY hard !!!

[Marknz]

I need to find someone to follow around there at the test day. I just looked at Sketchy Racers video of that test lap of his... there is no way in hell I'm going in to that corner that hot :no: :shit: not with this pair of gonads anyways :laugh:

[quickbuck]

I would not like to see one of the fast guys loose it there at the speeds they are doing, they would hit those tyre REALLY hard !!!

Mate, I have seen one Greg Murphy hit that wall... well actually fly over it full noise on reverse track... In a Formula Atlantic car
It was very quiet for what seemed like half an hour before Greg came out of the trees and waved to the crowd....
We all thought the worst... and looking at the tree the car brushed... he was very lucky.

Now, back to bikes... Yup Bugger hitting those tyres at full steam.
Maybe Manfeild could be upgraded with an air fence or two??

[quickbuck]

I need to find someone to follow around there at the test day. I just looked at Sketchy Racers video of that test lap of his... there is no way in hell I'm going in to that corner that hot :no: :shit: not with this pair of gonads anyways :laugh:

Have a follow of our #422 bike (Lee).... Sparkybills reckons he is Nuts!
But he takes the line I reckon is the best.... then people wonder where the F I'm going too..... Until, somehow, I end up in front of them down the straight....