Xt660z tenere

["D" FZ1]

The XT660Z TENERE is finally coming to NZ. They should be here in limited numbers by the end of September

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes//auction-238297908.htm

[shards]

$16K? They must be joking!! When you can get a new XT660R for about $11K, what really neccessary bits are you paying extra for?

[Taz]

The first jap manufacturer to take the adv market seriously and still they've stuffed it up. While the 660 is close there are still so many opportunities for weight saving and functionality. She's still very fat in the arse and once panniers are added she'll be fatter still. There's a good case for a centrally mounted muffler that will keep the rear end narrow and allow the luggage options to tuck in more. Would be nice to see Yamaha try to get this motorcycle down to 150kgs or less and the power is still too soft IMO. Imagine if Suzuki got serious about the DL650 and made a more dirt oriented version like the Terra Mostro but better still?

Andy.

[javawocky]

:sick: serious design FAIL

[Taz]

Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder. I quite like the looks mostly.

["D" FZ1]

$16K? They must be joking!! When you can get a new XT660R for about $11K, what really neccessary bits are you paying extra for?

The new XT660R is $12,895.00 + ORC. The Tenere has a 23 Litre fuel tank and a large screen as opposed to the XT660R,s 15 Litre tank.

[marks]

apart from a bit more HP and a LOT more $$
what does a XT660Z do that a 08/09 KLR doesnt?

[shards]

New XT660R at Waikato Yamaha for $10495.

[Taz]

apart from a bit more HP and a LOT more $$
what does a XT660Z do that a 08/09 KLR doesnt?

You can probably pull the chics with the yamaha as opposed to nancy boys with the KLR?? :lol::Pokey::dodge::whistle:

[shards]

Here we go again....thread degeneration.

[Oscar]

16k????

I struggle to see the value in that.

[dino3310]

shite 16k:gob:, that almost 2 DR's.
i do like the look but not as much as the original:shutup:

[StoneY]

It might be a legend- but its fuckin ugly man- why do these manufacturers try make a mud rocket look like a space shuttle ffs

UGLY- yuk and 16k? way overpriced for bloody dirt bike
(I had an 88 Tenere- that looked AWSOME compared to these new ones)

[marks]

Here we go again....thread degeneration.

No one mentioned a DR650 now did they......:no:
the thread only degenerates when degenerate people (DR650 owners) start posting. Anthrax is the rare exception that proves the rule - a degenerate who doesn't own a DR650 :yes:

How come you've go 2 XT's - are they X's or R's?

[Underground]

Save your money ,just buy this http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dual-purpose/auction-209507608.htm
or 4 of them for the price of a newey.

[dino3310]

if you got the Tenere tag of it she'd drop 3k

[Paladin]

$16k!!! NOT!!!!

I'd rather buy a new or used KTM 640A/690E for that kinda money!

Either the Yammy dealer or Yammy are takin the p*ss methinks!

[CrazyFrog]

Save your money ,just buy this http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dual-purpose/auction-209507608.htm
or 4 of them for the price of a newey.

Shameless plug there Underground! :yes: On ya boy!
I rode this bike last week, yes, a bargain for someone out there. Good value and very smooth after my buzzy KTM, but front end could do with some firming up.
As for the new Tenere, way overpriced for what you get... basically same engine, suspension as XT660R, but bigger tank range and more plastic to break. And it's toooooo heavy!
Prolly fun to ride, but then again, so is my KTM:woohoo:

[clint640]

I quite like the look of them. Porky & underpowered with mediocre suspension though.

Selling something like that for $16K in NZ is always going to be a big ask when you can get a DR650 for $9K or a KLR for 10. Look at the BMW X-Challenge & KTM 690 that they tried to sell for $17K, BMW had to slash $4K off to shift all the X-Ch's they had gathering dust, KTM have just dropped the price on the 690 by a grand to try & move some of the 08's they still have.

Cheers
Clint

[Box'a'bits]

apart from a bit more HP and a LOT more $$
what does a XT660Z HAVE that a 08/09 KLR doesnt?

Style...:whocares: A certain lack of blandness????

[Padmei]

Cool a new thread knocking bikes!!

Looks like kbers can now catch up with most of the rest of the world knocking the new Tenere. They've been around overseas a while now so if you look them up you'll find lots of ammo to repeat ad nauseam

However if you look at a few tenere threads you'l find their owners love them & farkle them to their hearts delight. Some say Yamaha missed their mark by not making it hardcore enough, while others say judging by the shift to the softer side of adv riding by many potential buyers Yamaha has played a pretty safe card by making it more road orientated.

I think they're horny & would love to have a ride on one.

[XF650]

I read on the interweb somewhere that Yamaha are targeting the BMWGS's with the Tenere.
That might explain the pricing?

[Peril]

I posted this back in a thread from April.
_______________________________
Did they give an indication on price?
I spoke to my preferred Yamaha dealer down here and asked if they'd heard anything.They thought they were ment to be here late last year and then I asked about price...he said it'll be quite a bit more than the current XT660,which would put it probably near $15k!
The DR650 with added extras suddenly looks a real bargain,not that they aren't at the moment though.
_______________________________

Seems they were pretty much right for pricing.I really feel at 16k,they aren't going to sell many,price it more sensibly and it wouldn't be a bad buy.

[Oscar]

Cool a new thread knocking bikes!!

Looks like kbers can now catch up with most of the rest of the world knocking the new Tenere. They've been around overseas a while now so if you look them up you'll find lots of ammo to repeat ad nauseam

However if you look at a few tenere threads you'l find their owners love them & farkle them to their hearts delight. Some say Yamaha missed their mark by not making it hardcore enough, while others say judging by the shift to the softer side of adv riding by many potential buyers Yamaha has played a pretty safe card by making it more road orientated.

I think they're horny & would love to have a ride on one.


By all means ride one when you've finished riding your high horse - then if you actually read the thread you'll find people aren't knocking the bike, but the price.

[dino3310]

heavy price but still cheaper than the Transalp XL700 at 17k,

i only hate the price cause i cant afford one, if i could afford one i wouldnt give a shit and i'ld buy it.

[Paladin]

heavy price but still cheaper than the Transalp XL700 at 17k,

i only hate the price cause i cant afford one, if i could afford one i wouldnt give a shit and i'ld buy it.

Yeah but even if you could afford one, would you pay it? I'd still keep the dosh and spend it on a KTM! ;)

Don't get me wrong, I kinda like the styling; its all a bit angular and transformer - ish, even a bit sorta futuristic(or is it lookin a bit militaristic LOL!); kinda interesting (ignoring the reviews that said it was plasticcy with vibrating/loose bits that is!), but even though I find the styling interesting i just can't see parting with that kind of cash for one myself!

Will be interesting to see what kind of value they hold in the Used bike market! Yammy might think they are aiming for potential BMW buyers but I'd bet the XT is gonna drop value quicker vs the Beemers & Katooms for sure!

[dino3310]

your right mate if i could afford it i wouldnt buy it, il'd import a later model of the DR800 instead :Punk:

[Padmei]

I think it is targetted at the 800GS / transalp market. I don't think pricing would be a major factor in punters buying one. There is a market for them as evidenced by those that have already put deposits down a long time ago.

XT660s & KtM690s haven't sold because people don't like them as evidenced buy dealers sweeping them out the doors.

If you are after a KTM 950/90 you will buy a KTM950/990 because nothing else would make you happy until you got one.

[JATZ]

your right mate if i could afford it i wouldnt buy it, il'd import a later model of the DR800 instead :Punk:

+1 on that, brother :yes:

[bart]

Been through a similar thing with the KTM 690E. Been waiting, and waiting, and waiting for the price to come down. No action, so fook it. Went and bought a DR650 with all the extras.:woohoo:

16 - 17K for a single banger dirt (ish) bike is crazy money. Have you seen what sort of a road bike you can buy for that $$$$. :weird:

[dino3310]

yep they might b a crazy price but theres always some one who will buy it

[young1]

I like the looks of them but am surprised by what they weigh. Price is steep but if you want one and have the money I am sure they will be bought.

Re other bikes, I am still waiting for KTM to announce a 690 Adv. They seem to have dropped the ball on that.

[Paladin]

your right mate if i could afford it i wouldnt buy it, il'd import a later model of the DR800 instead :Punk:


+1 on that, brother :yes:

Good plan guys!

:clap:

[James Deuce]

I like the looks of them but am surprised by what they weigh. Price is steep but if you want one and have the money I am sure they will be bought.

Re other bikes, I am still waiting for KTM to announce a 690 Adv. They seem to have dropped the ball on that.

No they were waiting for the next Dakar to release it, but got shat on by the organisers who have changed the capacity maximum limit to 450cc.

Mark my words.

[Peril]

No they were waiting for the next Dakar to release it, but got shat on by the organisers who have changed the capacity maximum limit to 450cc.

Mark my words.

They also changed the rules for the 1000cc bikes too,yet they still make them and they sell well.So no reason to can the 690 Adv for that reason as they'd still sell.
I'd love the new Tenere as I'm sure it'd be more reliable than my old shitter.But for that money,I think I'd buy a WR450 and fit a big tank and be more than happy.

[Oscar]

I like the looks of them but am surprised by what they weigh. Price is steep but if you want one and have the money I am sure they will be bought.

Re other bikes, I am still waiting for KTM to announce a 690 Adv. They seem to have dropped the ball on that.

I've seen a rumour about a 690 SMT.
I dunno how far behind the Adv will be.

[James Deuce]

They also changed the rules for the 1000cc bikes too,yet they still make them and they sell well.So no reason to can the 690 Adv for that reason as they'd still sell.
I'd love the new Tenere as I'm sure it'd be more reliable than my old shitter.But for that money,I think I'd buy a WR450 and fit a big tank and be more than happy.


Did you read what I posted, or are you taking the piss?

The release was scheduled to coincide with the next Dakar. The Dakar organisers shat on KTM big time by changing the capacity rules so they can't race the 690 in the Dakar.

I did NOT say that KTM wouldn't ever come up with a 690 Adv.

[NordieBoy]

Did you read what I posted, or are you taking the piss?

The release was scheduled to coincide with the next Dakar. The Dakar organisers shat on KTM big time by changing the capacity rules so they can't race the 690 in the Dakar.

I did NOT say that KTM wouldn't ever come up with a 690 Adv.

They're allowing the pro's to ride them with restrictors in 2010, only amateurs with restrictors in 2011 and noone in 2012.

[Peril]

Did you read what I posted, or are you taking the piss?

The release was scheduled to coincide with the next Dakar. The Dakar organisers shat on KTM big time by changing the capacity rules so they can't race the 690 in the Dakar.

I did NOT say that KTM wouldn't ever come up with a 690 Adv.

Sorry oh great one :not:.
I didn't realise they were doing a release like that as it still seems up in the air to wether or not they've even got a production version for the general public.

[cooneyr]

They're allowing the pro's to ride them with restrictors in 2010, only amateurs with restrictors in 2011 and noone in 2012.

Meaning that the 690's could return to dakar no holds barred in 2012? Why all this crap for this year then? Or am I mis-understanding?

Cheers R

[Paladin]

Meaning that the 690's could return to dakar no holds barred in 2012? Why all this crap for this year then? Or am I mis-understanding?

Cheers R

I think he means in 2012 noone can ride a 690 even if its restricted.

Either that or he means 2012 is a write off cos the world is ending thanks to the Mayans!
;)

[NordieBoy]

Nothing above 450cc from 2012 (at Dakar).

FIM will probably follow suit though.

A few of the other rallies the top guys run 450's anyway as they're too technical for the bigger bikes.

So KTM can't say they don't have any 450 class rally bikes ready.

What they were doing back in the piece was sleeving down 660's to 450cc and they were very succsessful.

[Waihou Thumper]

I like the looks of them but am surprised by what they weigh. Price is steep but if you want one and have the money I am sure they will be bought.

Re other bikes, I am still waiting for KTM to announce a 690 Adv. They seem to have dropped the ball on that.

No money, yes....Wait and see...:buggerd:now, nothing to choose from in the mid range is there....

[1KTM]

They r not making a 690adv and a 1190adv until 2011 that came from the boss of oz ktm:

[Paladin]

They r not making a 690adv and a 1190adv until 2011 that came from the boss of oz ktm:

Cool, I got time to save up then!

:banana:

[Waihou Thumper]

Cool, I got time to save up then!

:banana:

One way of looking at it...
I do see two 640A for sale on Trade Me...2007 and a 2005, worth a look...
Good buying for the 2005 model....Fark, wish I had a few dollars, I would get one of them....:clap:

[Squiggles]

2007

And looking for a trade for a DR... i wont say im not tempted, but i dont think i could do it justice :)

[NordieBoy]

And looking for a trade for a DR... i wont say im not tempted, but i dont think i could do it justice :)

Have a ride on a 640A first.

I hated Warewolf's tank. Too wide too soon. I couldn't get up over the front. Topo's 640E with the 18l tank was nice though. Woody's KLR with the big IMS had the same tank profile as the 640A however.

I found I like my DR even more after riding the others :D

[Squiggles]

Have a ride on a 640A first.

Testride a bike i want to buy? The DR was the first i've ever done that to. Still young, i mould to my bikes, not the other way round :headbang:

["D" FZ1]

Just found out that the new Tenere is going to be here a couple of weeks earlier than we thought. I should have one of each colour in store by Tuesday the 22nd (Next week)

Call in and see what they look like in the flesh.

["D" FZ1]

These are the two colours that we are getting.

["D" FZ1]

Oh. Can be viewed at Henderson Yamaha next week.

[Padmei]

Maybe you could give one way to KBers as a prize. Maybe best caption or sumting...

["D" FZ1]

The "TENERE'S" have arrived. In store now and they look AWESOME. Call in to HENDERSON YAMAHA and have a look.

[Eddieb]

Got pics for those of us too far away to 'pop in'?

[Taz]

Sat on one of these at the speed show. Way too tall for me. I can reach the ground comfortably on a KTM 525 but the yamaha is too tall and wide thru the seat. Shame really.

["D" FZ1]

Got pics for those of us too far away to 'pop in'?

If you go back a few posts you can see pics of the Black and the Blue version. We had the Black one on display at the Speed Show. I have just uncrated the Power Blue one and it looks stunning in the flesh. The pics don't do it justice.

[Padmei]

Yep well I'm going for a ride on one as soon as they get down here...:yes:

[NordieBoy]

Yep well I'm going for a ride on one as soon as they get down here...:yes:

And if I get it on video I'll add it to the compilation :laugh:

[NZsarge]

If you go back a few posts you can see pics of the Black and the Blue version. We had the Black one on display at the Speed Show. I have just uncrated the Power Blue one and it looks stunning in the flesh. The pics don't do it justice.

I was reading (don't ask me where coz for the life of me I can't remember) that there maybe a Super Tenere on the horizon somewhere, what say you?

[cooneyr]

I was reading (don't ask me where coz for the life of me I can't remember) that there maybe a Super Tenere on the horizon somewhere, what say you?

I've read the same. "Apparently" it was going tio be released at the bike show in Oct last year (intermot or something). MCN in the motherland keep making the shit up. XTZ1200 that looked more like a styled up TDM900 than a proper Tenere with a 21" front wheel and all that. I'm not clsoe to the industy to really know but I wouldnt hold my breath that it will appear or even if it does that it will actually be worthy of the Tenere name.

[Eddieb]

I've read the same. "Apparently" it was going tio be released at the bike show in Oct last year (intermot or something). MCN in the motherland keep making the shit up. XTZ1200 that looked more like a styled up TDM900 than a proper Tenere with a 21" front wheel and all that. I'm not clsoe to the industy to really know but I wouldnt hold my breath that it will appear or even if it does that it will actually be worthy of the Tenere name.

I wouldn't believe anything written in MCN about new bikes until you also hear it from a 'respectable' source.

They are the News Of The World (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/) of the motorcycling world.

["D" FZ1]

A few pics of the Power Blue model.

["D" FZ1]

...............

[babysteps]

I'm sorry "D" but that Fu$*in ugly with a capital U, I'd rather kiss my sister than be caught on that thing............:chase:

[MXNUT]

I'm sorry "D" but that Fu$*in ugly with a capital U, I'd rather kiss my sister than be caught on that thing............:chase:

We need a picture of your sister to decide ................... :confused:

[babysteps]

lol think Ugly Betty but taller

[cooneyr]

I wouldn't believe anything written in MCN about new bikes until you also hear it from a 'respectable' source.

They are the News Of The World (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/) of the motorcycling world.

I've picked that up which is why I'm not holding my breath. Seems they are very good at getting photo shop out and creating a stir over nothing.

The XT660Z doesnt look any uglier than a KLR. I'd reckon it is better looking. Just wish that somebody would come up with a well suspended version ala the non existent KTM 690 Adventure. I dont even care about the power that much. I only brought a 950 Adv S for the suspension - yer right :laugh:

["D" FZ1]

I'm sorry "D" but that Fu$*in ugly with a capital U, I'd rather kiss my sister than be caught on that thing............:chase:

And you ride a Pegaso!!!!! :confused:

[Waihou Thumper]

He also has a Vespa, so I think his opinion counts for something....don't you?
:jerry:....hehe

I don't like it, bring back the older Super Tenere shape, dual lights, beefy bike and all mano macho....:)

[babysteps]

Style and passion vs Lurch from the Munsters

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj250/moanaman/th_Pegaso001.jpg (http://s274.photobucket.com/albums/jj250/moanaman/?action=view&current=Pegaso001.jpg)

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj250/moanaman/th_003.jpg (http://s274.photobucket.com/albums/jj250/moanaman/?action=view&current=003.jpg)

No contest really :jerry:

[Padmei]

That is one sexy motorsickle. the Yammy that is, sorry babysteps...

[Waihou Thumper]

That is one sexy motorsickle. the Yammy that is, sorry babysteps...

Compared to the KLR....:chase:the KTM owner.....:laugh:

[Tony W]

That is one sexy motorsickle. the Yammy that is, sorry babysteps...


Me sorry too, Baby....:no:... that Yammy is almost as HOT as the XT 500C that I bought new off the brochure in 1976.

[dino3310]

its an ugly beast, but the kind of ugly you just wanna ride kinda like my ex:laugh:

[Taz]

Have I mentioned that they're bloody tall? huh? Huh? :oi-grr: And ya whack ya knee on those silly handles on the rear.

[Racing Dave]

I'm off to Auckland this weekend to ride the new (blue) model back to Chch, for a Kiwi Rider test. Later this year it'll be used for exploring for the Yamaha Ultimate Adventure (four-day ride getting to Blenheim for the three-day Yamaha Safari).

All will be revealed.

[Waihou Thumper]

Meant to hit your knees on the bars mate! :third:

[Toureg]

We likes it!! We wants it!! but then I can't know anything cos I liked 'Long way round' almost as much as 'Long time 10 dollar':shifty:

[clint640]

That is one sexy motorsickle. the Yammy that is, sorry babysteps...

Very unfair to rate the looks of a bike you haven't seen in the flesh but dunno if I like the blue much, The white/red or khaki ones look great though. Pity about the weight/power/suspension/price all being shit.

Cheers
Clint

[clint640]

I'm off to Auckland this weekend to ride the new (blue) model back to Chch, for a Kiwi Rider test..

National Park servo. 10am Saturday. Be there. It would be downright rude not to do Fishers track & the 42 traverse with us on the way down. :eek:

Cheers
Clint

[Racing Dave]

National Park servo. 10am Saturday. Be there. It would be downright rude not to do Fishers track & the 42 traverse with us on the way down. :eek:

Cheers
Clint

Thanks for the invite, but I doubt I can be there at that time, as there's sure to be a delay getting away from Auckland, and I'm only flying in that morning.

I hope you have a good ride, though, I've always enjoyed those tracks.

Cheers,
Dave B

["D" FZ1]

Very unfair to rate the looks of a bike you haven't seen in the flesh but dunno if I like the blue much, The white/red or khaki ones look great though.

Cheers
Clint

Like you say, you need to see them before you judge. I have a customer that wanted a Black model. He came in yesterday to view them both and bought the Blue model. The Power Blue is definitely my pick.

[pete376403]

Pity about the weight/power/suspension/price all being shit.
Cheers
Clint
As though that matters...

[Taz]

Pity about the weight/power/suspension/price all being shit.
Cheers
Clint

You forgot about Height :oi-grr:

I've seen the black one in the flesh and sat upon it. Is sexy in a way but the blue one looks nice in the picks. Too Tall and heavy though.

["D" FZ1]

You forgot about Height :oi-grr:

Too Tall and heavy though.


Depends if you are a vertically challenged or not. I had some guys sit on the Tenere at the speed show that made it look like a 250.

[jafar]

I had a sit on one @ Full Throttle in Pukekohe, nice feel to it, looks good. I'd :love: to take one for a test ride. :whistle:

Price is out there though:argh:

[Moki]

$16K? They must be joking!! When you can get a new XT660R for about $11K, what really neccessary bits are you paying extra for?


...your paying extra for the lardy 25kgs extra weight. 206kg??????? And I thought the KLR650 needed to see Jenny.....

[XF650]

Local Yami dealer has bought one for his own use, so called in for a quick look this morning. Too tall for me plus the weight seems quite high, incl massive muffler system under the rear fender. Other than that I actually quite like the style, even though it's in the BMW price range.
But what's with the tow hook, mounted to the lower fork clamp?

[Squiggles]

He came in yesterday to view them both and bought the Blue model.

Seemed pretty excited when i saw him on Sunday... Yammy makes quite a few fruity bits for them it seems :cool:

[pete376403]

But what's with the tow hook, mounted to the lower fork clamp?


Obviously Yamaha expect the Tenere to stuck in various places.

[Big Dave]

Bike at speedshow for Dave

[jafar]

...your paying extra for the lardy 25kgs extra weight. 206kg??????? And I thought the KLR650 needed to see Jenny.....

The transalp is 214kg although that is with a full tank & ready to roll.
KLR is claimed @ 175 kg the same as a G650 G/S BMW.
The F650 G/S (twin) is claimed to be 171kg dry.
Suzuki's DR 650 is claimed to be 166kg dry.
Jenny could be a busy girl :Oops:

[NordieBoy]

The transalp is 214kg although that is with a full tank & ready to roll.
KLR is claimed @ 175 kg the same as a G650 G/S BMW.
The F650 G/S (twin) is claimed to be 171kg dry.
Suzuki's DR 650 is claimed to be 166kg dry.
Jenny could be a busy girl :Oops:

We weighed a couple of IMS tanked DR650's wet at around 150kg.

[shards]

The only way to be SURE of a weight of a bike is to fill it up with gas and put it on a scale in front of your own eyes. I would trust sales "blurb" no more than I'd trust a convicted liar. FYI, XT660R, 181kg, wet.

[jafar]

We weighed a couple of IMS tanked DR650's wet at around 150kg.

If Suzuki are claiming them @ 166kg dry with a standard tank how did you manage to get it to 150kg with an oversized tank on it ?? :argh:

[Taz]

If Suzuki are claiming them @ 166kg dry with a standard tank how did you manage to get it to 150kg with an oversized tank on it ?? :argh:

Suzuki used to claim they were 147KG.
http://www.suzukicycles.org/DR-series/DR650.shtml

Some sites such as Bikez.com list curb (wet) weight as 166kg.

[Transalper]

The IMS plastic tanks are significantly lighter than the original metal ones.
That's the one thing that springs to my mind. I tend to think a full plastic IMS tank holding about 19 litres would weigh about the same as a full original metal one which only holds 13 litres.

[NordieBoy]

The IMS plastic tanks are significantly lighter than the original metal ones.
That's the one thing that springs to my mind. I tend to think a full plastic IMS tank holding about 19 litres would weigh about the same as a full original metal one which only holds 13 litres.

How heavy were our bikes?
I just pulled the 150kg out to stir things along.

[Squiggles]

Looked good at the shop but too tall for me :cry:

[Phreaky Phil]

...your paying extra for the lardy 25kgs extra weight. 206kg??????? And I thought the KLR650 needed to see Jenny.....The weight is wet with 23L of fuel. Still no lightweight though. They do look smart. I like them but they should be a twin cylinder I reckon. Then they'd be something to give rival the BMW parallel twins. Not sure about the screen either, very KTMish. They buffet the "bejesus" out of ya !

[dino3310]

The IMS plastic tanks are significantly lighter than the original metal ones.
That's the one thing that springs to my mind. I tend to think a full plastic IMS tank holding about 19 litres would weigh about the same as a full original metal one which only holds 13 litres.

a bit of thread topic but since fuels come into the conversation, i ask you if a litre of water is a kilo, How heavy is a litre of petrol?

[Phreaky Phil]

a bit of thread topic but since fuels come into the conversation, i ask you if a litre of water is a kilo, How heavy is a litre of petrol?
One litre of petrol weighs 0.72kg

[dino3310]

Thanks Phill:niceone:

my full tank weighs 20.88kgwhen full, BIG 199.88kg wet:yawn:

[pete376403]

08 KLR with a full (23 litre) fuel tank registered 191 kg on the interislander ferry weighbridge. That would suggest the claimed 172kg dry weight is pretty close
especially if dry means no oil in the engine or forks, no water in the battery, no brake fluids, no coolant in the radiator.

[JATZ]

Thanks Phill:niceone:

my full tank weighs 20.88kgwhen full, BIG 199.88kg wet:yawn:

More than that when it's lying on it's side, and for some reason they get heavier the later in the day it is :D

[dino3310]

:2thumbsupnot wrong brother, shes a bloody hard lift but amazing how fast you can lift it before a camera can get it:whistle:

[NordieBoy]

:2thumbsupnot wrong brother, shes a bloody hard lift but amazing how fast you can lift it before a camera can get it:whistle:

Depends who is driving the camera :D
http://www.photostorage.nelson.geek.nz/sports/motorsport/mybikes/Trips/20090103%20Dusty%20Butt%202009/slides/20090104-183112-000458.jpg

[jafar]

The weight is wet with 23L of fuel. Still no lightweight though. They do look smart. I like them but they should be a twin cylinder I reckon. Then they'd be something to give rival the BMW parallel twins. Not sure about the screen either, very KTMish. They buffet the "bejesus" out of ya !

TDM900 perhaps ??:whistle:

["D" FZ1]

Seemed pretty excited when i saw him on Sunday... Yammy makes quite a few fruity bits for them it seems :cool:

Yip. Very excited and there are a lot of extras available. Once we have fitted all the extras his bike will be on display in our shop for a couple of weeks until he needs it. I will post some pics on here once it is done.

["D" FZ1]

Bike at speedshow for Dave

Cheers Dave.

["D" FZ1]

But what's with the tow hook, mounted to the lower fork clamp?[/QUOTE]

The original Dakar model had a tow hitch to drag it out when it was buried a metre deep in sand. A nice Retro touch.

[dino3310]

Depends who is driving the camera :D


:lol: kinda like you were waiting for it to happen:whistle:

[JATZ]

Depends who is driving the camera :D

Nordie you bastard :angry2:......... 'bout time you deleted that one isn't it :whistle:
Least it's not video :D

[Woodman]

Went and sat on one of these today. Quite cool really, with a pretty slim feel to it. bit funny looking but ok, but the bestest part is the replaceable abs plastic bits on the side for when (if) you drop it . Bit too pricey for me though. $16k can be spent betterer for me anyway.

[warewolf]

Just wish that somebody would come up with a well suspended version ala the non existent KTM 690 Adventure.The "690 Travel" was announced at the dealer conference, IIRC. It is to the 690 Adventure what the F650GS is to the F650GS Dakar.


Some sites such as Bikez.com list curb (wet) weight as 166kg.Most of those sites are horrendously unreliable. We've had this discussion before; they usually put KTM's half-wet weights as wet, and they simply make stuff up, AFAICS. (edit: but 166kg probably isn't too far out for a 13L tank, that's 156kg half-wet)


How heavy were our bikes?
I just pulled the 150kg out to stir things along.Pretty sure your fettled DR was pretty close to my 640A. The latter was 158kg half-wet.


How heavy is a litre of petrol?95 RON is 0.737 kg/L (measured, and consistent with data on the interweb)

[Oscar]

The "690 Travel" was announced at the dealer conference, IIRC. It is to the 690 Adventure what the F650GS is to the F650GS Dakar.



That's a modified 690SM - see 990SMT (the "T" is for Travel).

[NordieBoy]

Pretty sure your fettled DR was pretty close to my 640A. The latter was 158kg half-wet.

Sounds right.
Both the DR's were a bit less than the KTM.
I had a heavy seat, TA had luggage and we both had half full IMS tanks.

[warewolf]

That's a modified 690SM - see 990SMT (the "T" is for Travel).If so, then I was misled. :doh: I was given the impression it would fix two of the major gripes of the 640A: seat height and vibes. A fairing on an SM is just not the same thing.

["D" FZ1]

Just sold the Black Tenere today so I have only got one left in Blue at the introductory price. A few pics with Akrapovics, Bash Plate and Aluminium Side Cases.

["D" FZ1]

Just had a call from my customer who purchased the Black Tenere yesterday and rode it back up North. He traded a BMW R1150GS. He was very impressed with the power, the handling from the standard suspension (he had just fitted $3k worth of Ohlins to his BMW) and the protection from the screen. All round a very happy customer :ride:

[El scooto]

Had a look at one in the rangiora yamaha. They look alright to me and not nearly as big as people have made out. But then again I'm used to the older S10 with upgraded syspension!

cheers

[Fluffy Cat]

To late, bought a KTM 990 ADV which replaced my XRV750. Both good bikes. The XT looks good but would have looked nicer with upside down forks.

[pete376403]

Thread on advrider about what happens when a new (4 days old) Tenere gets crashed. Plastic tanks are not as resilient as one would expect. http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=515577

[Padmei]

I went for a little blat on one around the yard at the bike shop yesterday. Felt nice & smooth but had a terrrible deccel pop.
An owner of one was there too & mentioned that hethought it was a tad underpowered. In saying that I'm not sure what bike he came off. I would have to take off the tow hook though - just not right.
The black rims make the tyres look bigger than what they are.

[marks]

something about the bike just screams 'poseur' to me.

If you want a modestly powered mid sized adv bike with good wind protection buy a klr and save $6k.

If you want a serious adv bike scrape a couple more grand together and get a gs650/800 or 690e:yes:.

its an overpriced cynical styling exercise created by some moron with a transformer fetish

[Crisis management]

its an overpriced cynical styling exercise created by some moron with a transformer fetish

Should sell well then.........

["D" FZ1]

Should sell well then.........

Yip. They are selling well. The guys that have bought them are really enjoying them.

[Padmei]

something about the bike just screams 'poseur' to me.

If you want a modestly powered mid sized adv bike with good wind protection buy a klr and save $6k.

If you want a serious adv bike scrape a couple more grand together and get a gs650/800 or 690e:yes:.

its an overpriced cynical styling exercise created by some moron with a transformer fetish

So all said & done you really like them don't ya....

[marks]

Yip. They are selling well. The guys that have bought them are really enjoying them.

And I really enjoy my klr as well. A mediocre bike can still be lots of fun. The klr is honest about its mediocrity and low technology and is priced accordingly. The XTZ is all flashed up and has a 60% price penalty but actually offers nothing more than a klr (except a slightly gruntier motor). $16k is only a couple of grand shy of being enough to buy a serious bike.

I suspect anyone who buys one is either new to the adv game or more concerned about how they look turning up at the cafe


So all said & done you really like them don't ya....

apart from having more power and looking like a childs toy - can you think of one thing it can do better than your $6k cheaper KLR?

[Woodman]

apart from having more power and looking like a childs toy - can you think of one thing it can do better than your $6k cheaper KLR?

Polarise opinions.....?

[Padmei]

Some people don't really care about all the specs. As been said on here before 'if it's the bike you lie awake thinking about all nite, it's the one you really want.'

If I had used my head instead of my heart I probably would have bought something different than the KLR. I didn't & still love my bike.

What if the KLR was a couple of grand dearer - would that have put you off? At what stage does the bike become not good value for money?

The other side is that unless you can travel around NZ trying to find a demo, it's bloody hard to ride a new model off the floor.

No matter what you're riding if you're having fun you're having fun

[marks]

Some people don't really care about all the specs. As been said on here before 'if it's the bike you lie awake thinking about all nite, it's the one you really want.'

its funny - all the bikes that give me wood are hi performance ones like 950se's or hp2's - bikes I love the idea of riding but generally accept that they are not really suited to my lack of self control and modest skills. The KLR was brought because it fitted a particular set of requirements and so was the DT230. Buying the WR450 was an ill-advised choice but I loved it then and still love it - something about its 'tread gently or I'll tear you a new asshole' (although as far as serious trail bikes go - its actually pretty tame) feel really does something to me.

so from the perspective of someone who loves bikes that are exciting by virtue of their high performance - someone who lies awake at night thinking about an xt660z seems pretty damn boring.

to each their own

[Padmei]

Fair enough.

Where does the WR fit in. Most of your pics are either DT or KLR. Do you do serious motocrossy stuff with the WR?

From all I've read (read mind you not ridden) I thought most trail bikes 250 or 450 were pretty usable until the throttle hand gets itchy.

[carver]

I was looking forward to this bike, but against the KTM690 Enduro its

heavy

overpriced

a bit ugly...

a 690 adventure would be better.

[cave weta]

To late, bought a KTM 990 ADV which replaced my XRV750. Both good bikes. The XT looks good but would have looked nicer with upside down forks.

hey ive got an XLV750... what is anXRV ?

Edit:just googled and see its the africa Twin.

[.chris]

I was looking forward to this bike, but against the KTM690 Enduro its

heavy

overpriced

a bit ugly...

a 690 adventure would be better.

I am not so sure about that, the seat on the tenere looks mighty comfortable and I bet it has a wider ratio gearbox.

I see the tenere as a more road orientated adv bike, the 690 more trail.
It is all about what you are going to do with it.

If the tenere had been available when I was buying it would have been on the short list.

[carver]

I am not so sure about that, the seat on the tenere looks mighty comfortable and I bet it has a wider ratio gearbox.

I see the tenere as a more road orientated adv bike, the 690 more trail.
It is all about what you are going to do with it.

If the tenere had been available when I was buying it would have been on the short list.

true true, but if your keen on road work, the KLR is a tarted up road bike.

the transalp would be a better bet being a twin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYrv-MhvTwc

and its only a thou more!

[marks]

Where does the WR fit in. Most of your pics are either DT or KLR. Do you do serious motocrossy stuff with the WR?

Generally the WR gets used whenever I go for a trail ride with my boy(s) in the Mungatooks. Don't normally take many photos cause a) you've seen it all before and b) we tend to ride in fairly dark single track and the photos don't often come out well.


From all I've read (read mind you not ridden) I thought most trail bikes 250 or 450 were pretty usable until the throttle hand gets itchy.

usable - yes - happy - no - not until the pace is upped a bit and the suspension starts to work the way it was meant to.

[warewolf]

From all I've read (read mind you not ridden) I thought most trail bikes 250 or 450 were pretty usable until the throttle hand gets itchy.Depends on quite how you define 'trail' bikes, I guess from your context you are talking about modern enduro bikes?

The 450s are much gruntier which makes them more forgiving/relaxing to ride, but then the extra grunt beats you up. The 250s can be thrashed all day, likely travelling faster, and you won't be completely and utterly knackered before the day is out. When the WR250F was released, a huge percentage of riders I spoke to had traded in their WR450F and LOVED the smaller engined bike, for the aforementioned reasons. Most reckoned they were faster with less effort than on the bigger bike.

When it comes to having fun, I've discovered the truth in the saying, "it is more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow."

[Padmei]

And it's more fun to pick up a fat bike slowly than a lite bike.... no wait...

[cooneyr]

...When it comes to having fun, I've discovered the truth in the saying, "it is more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow."

Aint that the truth. I'm having heaps of fun thrashing the XLR125 around town. I'm learning how to wheely and jump over speed humps, trying to get a peg down and other hooligan antics :whistle: Also I get to use all five gears where as I have to get off the throttle in first to maintain legal speeds and travel in 3rd on the KTM - 80 comes up very fast in first

Cheers R

[bart]

Yeah, I always had more fun on my ZXR750 than the ZX9R. :lol:

[Fluffy Cat]

Popped into Filco Nelson today and had a look at two in the flesh. One had the panniers and they look good for two grand.
They look good and better the closer you get. Good attention to detail, nice finish. About the same seat height as the 990 ADV.
If this had been in NZ 9 months ago it would have been close between this and the 990 for looks. For me the 990 wins on the vee twin lc8 motor and top notch WP suspension. But it would have been close. I still have my original XT600 tenere from 1986/87. Top bike.
The new one felt quite nimble and had a nice seat which would be an improvement on the old one. Could have gone for a test ride....naahh dangerous to the bank account.
If you are looking for an ADV this could be the one, then again the new Super Tenere is taking shape as we speak....though it seems to be a shaft drive.:Punk:

[Woodman]

yep, had a look at them today as well, they sure are pretty, but they would need to perform very well for the money they are asking, and looks aren't everything.

[Eddieb]

Are these things only good for 40,000km before a big rebuild? Doesn't seem right.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dual-purpose/auction-291592240.htm

Has done 42 000km but just had new
piston, rings and cylinder re-sleve, so
will be good for another 40 000km.

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/30/131061330_full.jpg

[Padmei]

Sounds like te owner doesn't want to stump up for the repair bill

[Taz]

Maybe it was still on it's original oil it came from the factory with :lol: and the owner mistook 40000km valve check for 40000km oil change? I would have thought these had a nikosil type cylinder coating. If they did and they've now machined that out and fitted a sleeve then you probably can only expect 40,000 before it requires another rebore/piston.

[clint640]

Are these things only good for 40,000km before a big rebuild? Doesn't seem right.


Unreliable jap POS. :shutup: Can't beat that KTM reliability I reckon. I'm going to give the 640 a rebuild at 100 000 km if it needs it or not.:yes:

Clint

[warewolf]

Interesting. In years gone by, the Euro stuff was lighter, higher performance and feature rich but a bit temperamental and/or fragile. Over the last 15 years the Euros have made their stuff reliable without sacrificing any of the good points. At the same time, the japs have improved the performance and features of their bikes so that on the spec sheet they look a lot more like the Euros. But the question is, at what cost? Jap bikes just don't seem anywhere near as reliable or robust as they used to. Talking to ppl in the trade, they just shake their head at the quality of the jap stuff these days.

Very broadly speaking, that is.

[Edit: Euros except BMW. They seem hell-bent on going the lighter-and-less-durable route, too, but I guess they had plenty of margin in that area.]

[Oscar]

Interesting. In years gone by, the Euro stuff was lighter, higher performance and feature rich but a bit temperamental and/or fragile. Over the last 15 years the Euros have made their stuff reliable without sacrificing any of the good points. At the same time, the japs have improved the performance and features of their bikes so that on the spec sheet they look a lot more like the Euros. But the question is, at what cost? Jap bikes just don't seem anywhere near as reliable or robust as they used to. Talking to ppl in the trade, they just shake their head at the quality of the jap stuff these days.

Very broadly speaking, that is.

[Edit: Euros except BMW. They seem hell-bent on going the lighter-and-less-durable route, too, but I guess they had plenty of margin in that area.]

And more expensive.
Yamaha, obviously guilty about Japanese whaling activities, have commenced building large Marine Mammals and beaching them in bike shops worldwide.

Not does the new Super Tenere weigh more than a 1200GS, in the UK it costs more!

[Night Falcon]

Jap bikes just don't seem anywhere near as reliable or robust as they used to. Talking to ppl in the trade, they just shake their head at the quality of the jap stuff these days. Very broadly speaking, that is.

When I took my 990A into local Honda dealer for WOF the mechanic couldn't stop oogling it. Pretty soon the workshop manager was pouring all over it as well. They were well impressed with the weight, suspension, design...well every thing really. The mechanic took it for a short blast and almost didnt come back to work! Their verdict...that there was a huge gap between what KTM had produced compared to Honda in the in the adventure market. well, I guess we already knew that!


On to the Tenere ... I cant understand how Yamaha got this bike so wrong. Its top heavy, too heavy, underpowered (because of the weight) and poorly sprung. It dosn't even come with hand guards as standard....I mean whats that about? It has a market I suppose but then so dose the Varadero. At 16K + orc its too expensive for what ya gettin....loyalists will disagree of course.

Heres a question for ya....would you by a new Tenere or a 2nd hand 990/950 for the same or possible less money?

[Padmei]

Tenere by a long shot. But then performance is secondary to me.

[Eddieb]

This one has just closed without selling and has been offered out at $8k.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/a.asp?id=289998377

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/69/130157469_full.jpg

[Eddieb]

Edit: Euros except BMW. They seem hell-bent on going the lighter-and-less-durable route, too, but I guess they had plenty of margin in that area.

Except the first ones. The R80G/S came up at 185 - 190 kg, depending on whether dry weight or kerb weight (All oils and fluids but empty gas tank) is quoted. After that they got on the steins and got a bit obese round the middle.

[bart]

Personally.....for that kind of coin...I could buy a new DR650, a dedicated dirt bike, and a scooter to ride to work. :p

but hey, if you've got the money, and you want a bike that'll do everything (badly), go the Tenere. :innocent:

[Frodo]

Are these things only good for 40,000km before a big rebuild? Doesn't seem right.

Has done 42 000km but just had new
piston, rings and cylinder re-sleve, so
will be good for another 40 000km.



I have an Aprilia Pegaso with the same motor. Have done 58,000km and running brilliantly. Doesn't burn any oil between changes. I'm counting on well over 100,000km before I do anything at all to the motor.

He must have run it out of oil or water or done something stoopid. The motor's pretty robust. The XT660 that went over the Siberian BAM road ran for three days on a mix of 800ml of oil plus water in the sump.

By the way, the XT660R isn't a Jap bike. The motor is definitely built in Italy and I think that the rest is built in France. Presume the Tenere is the same.

Cheers

[Padmei]

Apparently the earlier teneres had bad airfilters that could lead to damage.

[Crim]

I may wait for a few years to add this to my "if I win lottery list" - there are two on TM with moderate k's on them and they have both had motor rebuilds - bad luck, bad maintenance or bad design?

[Shadowjack]

Apparently the earlier teneres had bad airfilters that could lead to damage.

The Seller's Comments in one, and the Q&A inthe other, state that this is so.

[carver]

I may wait for a few years to add this to my "if I win lottery list" - there are two on TM with moderate k's on them and they have both had motor rebuilds - bad luck, bad maintenance or bad design?

it is a yamaha...overpriced, and not that great!