Schwantz puts the boot into Stoner.

[HenryDorsetCase]

nice.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/motorsport/2811393/Casey-Stoner-goes-walkabout



Schwantz told a teleconference: ''As a rider, my gut feeling is Casey needs to be out there competing. For me, to have signed a contract … you're signing a contract to compete unless something is medically wrong with you. I'm out there doing the best I can. Whether I can give 100 per cent every weekend or not is kind of the question.

''But for me it's a real disappointment, and I think Casey is a great competitor, and I think maybe a little bit more of this has to do with something behind the scenes that maybe none of us quite yet know about.

''Maybe that's just some Stoner hard feelings towards Ducati or towards the series… But to just decide you're going to skip three races and see if you feel any better at the end of it, to me, is a little bit out of the norm.

''What I have heard and what I have seen is that Casey has been struggling with some type of an illness, whether it was a stomach bug or whatever, at a bunch of the earlier grand prixs I went to. In the Czech Republic, he wasn't there, and still with no form of illness that has been diagnosed by doctors, that I've heard, anyway.''


nice. not.

[MIXONE]

He's only saying what the rest of us are thinking though.

[Maha]

Gone from hero to zero inside a year? Could be hard to take for someone so young. Needs is mummy.

[HenryDorsetCase]

inferring he is a bgb* or scared of the speed or he is lazy or not committed is way over the top in my view. Maybe its reverse psychology designed to bring the mongrel out in casey.


*big girls blouse

[Benk]

inferring he is a bgb* or scared of the speed or he is lazy or not committed is way over the top in my view. Maybe its reverse psychology designed to bring the mongrel out in casey.


*big girls blouse

Your right. Factory riders should be allowed a little "me" time mid season. Everybody should stop being so MEAN

[HenryDorsetCase]

Your right. Factory riders should be allowed a little "me" time mid season. Everybody should stop being so MEAN

:D

I dunno why everyone bags on him: he has spent seven odd years getting to where he is, battled thru the 125 and 250 ranks, and was World Champ: anybody who does that doesnt lack grit, stickability, or willingness to work. I think if he thought he could be there he would be, gut given he might have potentially another five or six or eight years in the top class (he is 23 and Rossi is 30, right) maybe he is taking a long view.

I dont know really, and its as pointless as talking about whats happening on Coronation Street (which is my yardstick for all that is pointless):

I think Kev went too far, my opinion.

[Benk]

I dunno why everyone bags on him:

Because its fun.



I dont know really, and its as pointless as talking about whats happening on Coronation Street (which is my yardstick for all that is pointless)

Cant comment on coro street. Flatmates have banned me :baby:

[Mort]

At the peak of his "illness" he could still get on the podium (can't remember what race it was).... god help him if he ever gets a serious injury (Like Doohan or Sheene).... He seems like a fragile character to me.... brilliant rider but weal otherwise.

Having said that, he may have looked at this season and thought if he was going to take the time off to get sorted he may as well get it done with whilst Rossi is on a roll.

I hope he comes back strong and gets stuck in again. He is too good to loose.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I had high hopes for Pedrosa and hRC and look how that turned out.

bring back Doohan I say, gammy leg and all.

[vifferman]

I was talking about Stoner with my wife, after reading the original Schwantz cooments (not your post). To me, Stoner is paid by Ducati to do well and make them look good. If he's off-colour, and not winning (but still getting high placings, apart from when he and Hayden went out on wets), then it's better than him sitting out races and someone like Kallio finishing further down the table. By sitting out 3 races, he's throwing away (potentially) 75 championship points for him and Ducati. If guys can ride with broken ankles, collarbones, fingers, etc. why can't he ride (even if it's not resulting in wins) with a tummy problem?
I don't know all the ins and outs of what's going on, but it seems like he needs to harden the fuck up and do what he's paid (quite handsomely!) to do. It makes him look like he's just being a sulky whining Aussie.

[HenryDorsetCase]

what he does have is Ducati by the balls... he is the only one who can ride their bike!

imagine having a significant other into racing! great effort. I have all my best racing conversations with my imaginary friends. They dont argue back like you bastards either. Unless you're all imaginary too........

[svr]

I'm a big Stoner fan - and you cannot question his `hardness', but if people can cycle the tour de france with broken collarbones...., and Doohan could race with a mangled leg...., etc, etc., Casey should be able to ride with a little virus!
And he was still going ok fer chrisakes.

[Benk]

And he was still going ok fer chrisakes.

And thats the key for me. If he was picking up 1 or 2 points a race, then yeah, its in their best interests to make sure hes 100%, but still scoring podiums is not exactly slow

[sAsLEX]

what he does have is Ducati by the balls... he is the only one who can ride their bike!


Rossi should swap for a race or two after he has clinched the title.....

No one was winning on Yamaha......

[Creeping Death]

Have been a Schwantz fan since he first entered 500GP's on the Pepsi Suzuki,even was a member of his official fan club,wore my prized Arai Lucky Strike replica with pride,pasted his sponsors stickers all over my GSXR back in the day and even though I wasn't there when he came to NZ earlier this year,had the utmost respect for the man.

That's out the window now.

The only person who know's if your up to it is YOU yourself.For Kev to question another riders desire to race is a complete "fuck you" moment to me.

Anyone remember when Wayne Rainey was paralysed in that accident at Misano which effectivley handed the Championship to Schwantz?And Kev himself said he might chuck it in at that time?

I'm still a Schwantz fan,but for him to sit in judgement not knowing the full story is absolute bullshit to me.

[sAsLEX]

Well I was going to post the photo-shopped picture of Max Biaggi sponsored by Kleenex.......


But google just asked me if I meant to search for Rossi or provided porn......


Maybe that's where Stoner and his wife could make a bit of coin?

Where is Gibernau these days?

[roadracingoldfart]

Have been a Schwantz fan since he first entered 500GP's on the Pepsi Suzuki,even was a member of his official fan club,wore my prized Arai Lucky Strike replica with pride,pasted his sponsors stickers all over my GSXR back in the day and even though I wasn't there when he came to NZ earlier this year,had the utmost respect for the man.

That's out the window now.

The only person who know's if your up to it is YOU yourself.For Kev to question another riders desire to race is a complete "fuck you" moment to me.

Anyone remember when Wayne Rainey was paralysed in that accident at Misano which effectivley handed the Championship to Schwantz?And Kev himself said he might chuck it in at that time?

I'm still a Schwantz fan,but for him to sit in judgement not knowing the full story is absolute bullshit to me.


100% agree with you.
I had an Aria in his colours too (but i rode a Honda :dodge: )
Lets wait till the return of Stoner before we all judge his ability to go hard again.
There have been tuff racers for decades riding with broken legs , arms , shoulders , ribs and all sorts of physical and mental issues in the way but there is only one body on the line , so only one person can decide if they ride or not.
Its not fair to be a fan of a rider only if they are winning.

[pritch]

I had an Aria in his colours too (but i rode a Honda :dodge: )

Assuming that you aren't referring to the music, :whistle: I have a Rossi hat and currently ride a Ducati. Who cares what the pedants make of it, it's your money... *



Its not fair to be a fan of a rider only if they are winning.

This is actually something that is apparently really important to Stoner. He is pissed-off that when he was winning everybody wanted a piece of him, but when he stopped winning people were much less anxious to meet or greet him.

All of which seems just a bit odd, because he says he hates all the attention.
He is a latter day Greta Garbo.

I've never met the boy of course but the sum total of what I've read does make him appear somewhat ummm precious(?). Notwithstanding that Mum and Dad made major sacrifices to get him started on his way to the top, perhaps he would benefit from some time away from them about now?


* I'd happily wear a Bayliss hat, but I wouldn't want a Stoner hat thanks...

[Charlied1]

I dont think we have the full story on stoner yet. That boy hasnt been right since Laguna 2008. No doubt about him being quick but his mind set is all over the place. Most fans appear to struggle to support him or give him the respect that he deserves. He may well go down as a flash in the pan world champ or as the rider that helped Ducati steal a march in the 1st year of the 800s. I hope he comes back because we need him and Lorenzo to keep Rossi honest.

[Pussy]

He's got a HAWT missus....

[Kiwi Graham]

I think individuals can 'ride around' an injury. But if that ínjury' is in your head thats a different kettle of fish! The Psychy is a tender piece of kit and if it aint in the right space your fucked.
The whole picture isn't out there about Stoners problem but assuming its not all physical I think its a good thing he's not out there dicing at 300+ k's.

[sAsLEX]

That boy hasnt been right since Laguna 2008.

<img src=http://www.automotophoto.com/misc/1488_ROSSI_LSGP_ALW_O8.jpg>

[Charlied1]

Yep thats the move that did it. Welcome to racing Casey.

[AllanB]

Common you lot - he's probably got a bad dose of Man-flu.

There is no way that you can go to work when you have Man-flu.

He needs some Lem-sip - fixes Man-flu a treat ;)

[Pussy]

Common you lot - he's probably got a bad dose of Man-flu.

There is no way that you can go to work when you have Man-flu.

He needs some Lem-sip - fixes Man-flu a treat ;)

Close... he actually needs a big bottle of htfu pills

[SS90]

Choosing my words carefully here,

I am of the opinion that Casey Stoner is simply a "victim" of the Aussie high performance sports academy.

World champ MotoGP racers arent' made, they are born.

HOWEVER,

Young Casey Stoner received the best "training" the world can offer, and a that level not many people can "handle it"

Just imagine what goes through that young guys mind every second of every day.

Rossi, as we all know can "handle it", that is why he is a "true champion"

Gibernau
Hayden
Stoner

All 3 FANTASTIC riders, but simply have shown that there is a (VERY) small percentage of people in this world that can run at this level for much more than a year.

Doohan, he was another one, he was able to run hard for years, and went out in style as well (ironically he was an Aussi!)

I don't think it is fair to make statements telling these guys to "harden up"

On their "softest" day, they are 1000 times harder than any of us mortals!
:scooter:

[quickbuck]

My ten cents worth.....

Love him or hate him, the lad can ride when he wants to... and is able to.
Now, we have all seen guys ride around injuries....

BUT what Stoner has I feel is far more serious than what has been released.... FAR MORE.

I feel our mate Kevin may well have a big humble pie to eat in the future with the comments he has made....

[nsrpaul]

He's got a HAWT missus....

2nd that:innocent:

[onearmedbandit]

Maybe Kev should join kiwibiker so he can get the full story rather than his useless inside info from merely being activily involved in MotoGP. Kev has always been strongly opinionated, and hardly ever wrong.

[gatch]

2nd that:innocent:

Motion passed, I'd wreck that chick.

[CookMySock]

Motion passed, I'd wreck that chick.I bet her tyres squeal real good.

Steve

[nsrpaul]

My ten cents worth.....

BUT what Stoner has I feel is far more serious than what has been released.... FAR MORE.

.

i had wondered the same, but hope not

[quickbuck]

i had wondered the same, but hope not

We all hope not....
Wouldn't be the first high profile racer to suffer a very serious illness during his career though.....

[Badjelly]

I'm a big Stoner fan - and you cannot question his `hardness', but if people can cycle the tour de france with broken collarbones...., and Doohan could race with a mangled leg...., etc, etc., Casey should be able to ride with a little virus!

He can ride with a little virus--he managed to get on the podium with his little virus--but can he recover from the virus while he's competing? His doctor told him no, his experience confirmed it, so he took his doctor's advice. Good on him. Dr Badjelly (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1129307129#post1129307129) says, always follow your doctor's advice.

[R6_kid]

BUT what Stoner has I feel is far more serious than what has been released.... FAR MORE.

Are you trying to say he has HIV/AIDS or something?

[inlinefour]

Stoner is a pussy. Either admit to whats wrong (?mental illness) or get back on the bike and do the best ya can. Its not like Ducati is doing particulrly well anyway...

[rachprice]

God forbid your health, whether mental or physical should be more important than competing.
Why would you want to continue racing when you know that by doing so you sabotage your ability to return to full health?
If by taking 3 races off allows him to return to his previous form, then he should!

Also, just because doctors don't know what is wrong with him does not mean it isn't something serious. Funnily enough medicine is full of uncertainty and atypical presentations of common disorders, then there are the crazy disorders that happen to one in a million that don't even cross their minds because they are so rare.

[sidecar bob]

He's got a HAWT missus....

The yardstick by which all men should be mesaured!!!

[roogazza]

The yardstick by which all men should be mesaured!!!

The mind boggles, maybe he should get some fluid into him. lol
Bet he wished he'd stayed after seeing Vale rolling on the ground ? G.

[scrivy]

Maybe Kev should join kiwibiker so he can get the full story rather than his useless inside info from merely being activily involved in MotoGP. Kev has always been strongly opinionated, and hardly ever wrong.

Shall I get him on the blower? :woohoo: :laugh:

[onearmedbandit]

Yeah why not?

[quickbuck]

Are you trying to say he has HIV/AIDS or something?

Nope, something much more comman.

[roadracingoldfart]

Nope, something much more comman.


Dont tell me hes fuckin human !!!!

Hell what will the anti Stoner brigade do if that gets out.?

If a guys sick , hes sick . If a guys not sick , a factory isnt going to reserve a ride for him because they like him , its because they rate his ability . He has a performance clause in his contract and they can ditch him if hes just being a blouse. There is alot of money tied up in a Moto GP rider and Ducati will not risk the damage to the brand if Stoner is just never going to do it for them again.

No im not a Stoner or Ducati fan either, Moto GP bores me , SBK is where i devote viewing time.
Thats my view anyhow.

Paul.