I don't get it?

[Biggles08]

Just received 'the riders brief' from AMCC (not sure why as I'm no longer a member but I digress) and was reading the 'Presidents Report for September' and came across this paragraph;

"Another top racer used to finish work at 5pm, and then race into town and pump gas from 6pm till midnight, he did this 4 nights a week. Then through the winter he also worked the weekends. And the big thing about these two is they had big dollar sponsors, and had been doing it for a while and had made a name for themselves. These guys had competed in the nationals and not just some winter series."

WTF is with that last sentence I really don't get it. Can someone explain it to me because at first glance it seems to me that the writer has little respect for all the hard work VMCC do throughout the winter months putting on a fantastic series. Not to mention belittling the decision of some of NZ's top riders such as Andrew Stroud, Hayden Fitzgerald, Craig Sheriffs, Glen Skachill and plenty more who enjoy competing in it. Have I got it wrong? What was the point he was trying to make here by including the word 'just' in this sentence?

Weird...:blink:

[KS34]

Doesn't read well at all does it. To me the sentence is saying. "These are real guys that don't f#@*k about with a meaningless (if thats a word or spelling) series in the winter that can't be counted as real racing" Piss poor really.

[scuzeme]

this is gunna be good

:jerry:

[johan]

Is this the newsletter you're refering to?

http://www.amcc.org.nz/Newsletter/Sep09/newsletter_Sep09.htm

[Biggles08]

Is this the newsletter you're refering to?

http://www.amcc.org.nz/Newsletter/Sep09/newsletter_Sep09.htm

Wow! online :woohoo: Yeah thats it Johan.

[SixPackBack]

If recent past comments are to be counted El Presidente is boxing way outside his weight division.

[mossy1200]

Im gunna keep flying under the radar at the Winter Time Wasted Series until one day there will be pre89 in Nationals then WHAM I will be worthy.

[Robert Taylor]

Just received 'the riders brief' from AMCC (not sure why as I'm no longer a member but I digress) and was reading the 'Presidents Report for September' and came across this paragraph;

"Another top racer used to finish work at 5pm, and then race into town and pump gas from 6pm till midnight, he did this 4 nights a week. Then through the winter he also worked the weekends. And the big thing about these two is they had big dollar sponsors, and had been doing it for a while and had made a name for themselves. These guys had competed in the nationals and not just some winter series."

WTF is with that last sentence I really don't get it. Can someone explain it to me because at first glance it seems to me that the writer has little respect for all the hard work VMCC do throughout the winter months putting on a fantastic series. Not to mention belittling the decision of some of NZ's top riders such as Andrew Stroud, Hayden Fitzgerald, Craig Sheriffs, Glen Skachill and plenty more who enjoy competing in it. Have I got it wrong? What was the point he was trying to make here by including the word 'just' in this sentence?

Weird...:blink:

The wording is ''unfortunate'' but I dont read any malice into it.

[Billy]

The wording is ''unfortunate'' but I dont read any malice into it.

Yip,Agree 100% Robert.I dont think anybody would seriously believe Chris was having a go at the Vic club as is implied.You dont need to be a rocket scientist to work out what hes getting at

[lostinflyz]

in the context of the whole thing it seems to me hes just qauntifying his stories at the start.

to me hes just saying that was the dedication some guys gave to racing full year, nation wide

[gixerracer]

Yip,Agree 100% Robert.I dont think anybody would seriously believe Chris was having a go at the Vic club as is implied.You dont need to be a rocket scientist to work out what hes getting at

Seems you worked it out pretty fast so I guess your right:yes:

It's a point to all the younger people that dont want to put in the hard work to achieve, they expect everyone to pay for everything so they can have nice shoes and clothes and flash cars etc and just fill in there weekends on mum and das credit cards.
The commitment just isnt there anymore maybe to many other options in the world these days

[roadracingoldfart]

Seems you worked it out pretty fast so I guess your right:yes:

It's a point to all the younger people that dont want to put in the hard work to achieve, they expect everyone to pay for everything so they can have nice shoes and clothes and flash cars etc and just fill in there weekends on mum and das credit cards.
The commitment just isnt there anymore maybe to many other options in the world these days


Ahhhh what would you know ???? get a Honda :innocent::shutup::yes:

[Biggles08]

Yip,Agree 100% Robert.I dont think anybody would seriously believe Chris was having a go at the Vic club as is implied.You dont need to be a rocket scientist to work out what hes getting at

Well he's 'had a go' at another club directly to my face before so it would not nescassarily be out of character....but hey, you may be right but it is definately 'unfortunate' wording as Robert has said.

[Peter Smith]

It's a point to all the younger people that dont want to put in the hard work to achieve, they expect everyone to pay for everything so they can have nice shoes and clothes and flash cars etc and just fill in there weekends on mum and das credit cards.
The commitment just isnt there anymore maybe to many other options in the world these days

That's how I read it too.
He was commenting on the commitment of a couple of top level riders, and not having a dig at any clubs.

It's interesting how people can get different meanings from reading the same article. :girlfight:

[Peter Smith]

Im gunna keep flying under the radar at the Winter Time Wasted Series until one day there will be pre89 in Nationals then WHAM I will be worthy.

ALL HAIL SIR MOSSY THE GREAT.:moon::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[CookMySock]

These guys had competed in the nationals and not just some winter series."

[...]at first glance it seems to me that the writer has little respect for all the hard work VMCC do throughout the winter months putting on a fantastic series.These guys aren't PR communication specialists. Their job is to manage some aspect of racing, not sit around sanitising their wording so every conceivable iteration of it doesn't prod someones' already fragile self-esteem.

Forget it and move on. They have a job to do, and so do you.

Steve

[Biggles08]

These guys aren't PR communication specialists. Their job is to manage some aspect of racing, not sit around sanitising their wording so every conceivable iteration of it doesn't prod someones' already fragile self-esteem.

Forget it and move on. They have a job to do, and so do you.

Steve

you are right in your first sentence DangerousBastard and from there you are unfortunately quite wrong.

It is 'their job' to become (if they are not already) communication specialists if they want to write a newsletter to members. Furthermore, if you think I have a 'fragile' self esteem you clearly do not know me :sweatdrop!

Actually, you are also right in your last sentence and to this point - I am doing my job pretty fucking well....is AMCC and its leader? (Debate shall follow I'm sure).

This is exactly why the racing scene is where it is.....medocrity is praised as "doing their job well!" When in fact it still is mediocre! The bar needs to be raised and THEN people who meet it will be praised!

[CookMySock]

Well you can't fix the world, bro. Let it go. Stick to what you know best, and do it well. :niceone:

Steve

[Rcktfsh]

Well I reckon the racers he knew had it lucky, in my day they had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night,
half an hour before they went to bed, eat a lump
of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day do and pay mill
owner for permission to come to work, and when they got home,
their Dad would kill em, and dance about on thei graves
singing "Hallelujah."
But you try and tell the young people today that... and they won't
believe ya'.

[Skunk]

Well you can't fix the world, bro. Let it go. Stick to what you know best, and do it well. :niceone:

Steve
There aren't enough volunteers for us all to stick to what we know best - there'd be no racing if that was the case. Organisers do the best they can (in their 'spare' time) so the rest can race. That's how it is. None that I know are paid anything - sometimes not even a thanks.

[CookMySock]

There aren't enough volunteers for us all to stick to what we know best - there'd be no racing if that was the case. Organisers do the best they can (in their 'spare' time) so the rest can race. That's how it is. None that I know are paid anything - sometimes not even a thanks.Sometimes things are crap, but unless you want to do it yourself you just have to let them do it their own way. If you think thats hard, try training staff. Everyone does it their own way.

Let it go. Once you are on the track everything will be fine, and if its not fine, it will be good enough.

Steve

[Skunk]

Sometimes things are crap, but unless you want to do it yourself you just have to let them do it their own way. If you think thats hard, try training staff. Everyone does it their own way.

Let it go. Once you are on the track everything will be fine, and if its not fine, it will be good enough.

Steve
Try organising a race meeting without upsetting any riders and following all the rules using people who are there because they want to help, not necessarily because they have the skills/knowledge (those that do are worth their weight in Gold)...

Training staff is a piece of cake.

I'm never on the track - though I wish I was.

[wharfy]

Well I reckon the racers he knew had it lucky, in my day they had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night,
half an hour before they went to bed, eat a lump
of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day do and pay mill
owner for permission to come to work, and when they got home,
their Dad would kill em, and dance about on thei graves
singing "Hallelujah."
But you try and tell the young people today that... and they won't
believe ya'.

Luxury lick road clean wi tongue

[roadracingoldfart]

Well I reckon the racers he knew had it lucky, in my day they had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night,
half an hour before they went to bed, eat a lump
of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day do and pay mill
owner for permission to come to work, and when they got home,
their Dad would kill em, and dance about on thei graves
singing "Hallelujah."
But you try and tell the young people today that... and they won't
believe ya'.


Luxury lick road clean wi tongue




Do you get wafers with that ???

[slowpoke]

Hmmmm, all up the whole article is a bit of a strange read, I reckon.

The bloke is encouraging people to work their boxes off to finance their racing (all good) but then seems to be totally discourage them from adjusting their own suspension (WTF?). I could blather on but it's easy throwing stones from back here.

I'm pretty much over the whole "back in the day" rhetoric. There has been, and always will be, folks who prefer to talk about it rather than do it. We don't have a monopoly on people saying racing is too expensive, or geared towards the big spenders. There would have been just as many folks "back in the day" complaining about not being able to afford an RG500 like Stu Avant's or a Macintosh like Freeth's or a Steve Roberts wonderbike like Hiscock's.

Likewise there are just as many people around now making sacrifices to pay for their racing. In an era of staff cutbacks extra work is difficult to come by so instead guys are giving up club racing to concentrate on a crack at the Nat's, or are working away from home and families for extended periods to provide the extra income, etc etc.

If anything the racers now have probably got less incentive, with the virtually non-existent profile of bike racing in NZ, no world class riders venturing down under to inspire them or learn from, and the days of a rider winning a top ride overseas on talent alone a la Slight or Crafar are long gone: bring some BIG bucks or a large advertising market with ya or forget it. Yet they do it anyway.

Times change, is what I'm tryin' to say. Kids are encouraged to aim for tertiary education and the debt that goes with it, rather than score an apprenticeship and earning capacity (admittedly small) at an early age, children are leaving home later in life, yet family time is at a premium with both parents working etc etc. Things aren't better or worse, they're just different: different economic cimate, social climate, priorities etc etc

The only thing that doesn't change is that as long as you can still buy or make somethin' with two wheels and a donk strapped, wired or glued between 'em, folks will wanna race 'em.

[montsta56]

Well said Slowpoke.:niceone:

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

good response slowpoke!

[wharfy]

Hmmmm, all up the whole article is a bit of a strange read, I reckon.

The bloke is encouraging people to work their boxes off to finance their racing (all good) but then seems to be totally discourage them from adjusting their own suspension (WTF?). I could blather on but it's easy throwing stones from back here.

I'm pretty much over the whole "back in the day" rhetoric. There has been, and always will be, folks who prefer to talk about it rather than do it. We don't have a monopoly on people saying racing is too expensive, or geared towards the big spenders. There would have been just as many folks "back in the day" complaining about not being able to afford an RG500 like Stu Avant's or a Macintosh like Freeth's or a Steve Roberts wonderbike like Hiscock's.

Likewise there are just as many people around now making sacrifices to pay for their racing. In an era of staff cutbacks extra work is difficult to come by so instead guys are giving up club racing to concentrate on a crack at the Nat's, or are working away from home and families for extended periods to provide the extra income, etc etc.

If anything the racers now have probably got less incentive, with the virtually non-existent profile of bike racing in NZ, no world class riders venturing down under to inspire them or learn from, and the days of a rider winning a top ride overseas on talent alone a la Slight or Crafar are long gone: bring some BIG bucks or a large advertising market with ya or forget it. Yet they do it anyway.

Times change, is what I'm tryin' to say. Kids are encouraged to aim for tertiary education and the debt that goes with it, rather than score an apprenticeship and earning capacity (admittedly small) at an early age, children are leaving home later in life, yet family time is at a premium with both parents working etc etc. Things aren't better or worse, they're just different: different economic cimate, social climate, priorities etc etc

The only thing that doesn't change is that as long as you can still buy or make somethin' with two wheels and a donk strapped, wired or glued between 'em, folks will wanna race 'em.

nostalgia ain't what it used to be .....

[Rcktfsh]

Hmmmm, all up the whole article is a bit of a strange read, I reckon.


If anything the racers now have probably got less incentive, with the virtually non-existent profile of bike racing in NZ, no world class riders venturing down under to inspire them or learn from, and the days of a rider winning a top ride overseas on talent alone a la Slight or Crafar are long gone: bring some BIG bucks or a large advertising market with ya or forget it. .

I agree with you slowpoke that profile is crap but contend we still have quality racing. Gareth Jones is a good example of a young rider benefitting from our racing, racing in the dutch championships for a small team he is leading that series. After making the most of a handfull of wild card entries in the german superbike championships he has now been signed to ride the BMW S1000R for Alpha Technik - Van Zon - BMW Motorrad at the final round of the IDM at Hockenheim. This ride has come from talent not sponsorship. He has often commented to the european press that coming into there season straight from hard racing in nz has helped him.

[Rcktfsh]

nostalgia ain't what it used to be .....

Don't get me started on the decline of nostalgia, in my day.......

[Robert Taylor]

Don't get me started on the decline of nostalgia, in my day.......

I recently unpacked a whole pile of ''New zealand Motorcycle News'' From the late 70s, a time when I actually hankered to ride motorcycles. No different then, people were grizzling about the cost of racing, not as rosy as the current CEO of MNZ would like to have everyone believe....

[oyster]

No, I think the report in the mag is all tongue in cheek, and quite funny actually. Let's hope he's not serious!
Take the Aug edition:
In ref to the North Island Nat rounds being a month apart
"which would get the backs up of some racers, especially those who don't like to travel across the Cook Straight too often. Not that it will affect too many, as there is only a dedicated few from the mainland that travel north, and most of those are our up and coming 125 racers."
Really? A few, meaning3? How come in 2008 44% of the totat points scored in the Nats were by members of Motorcycling Canterbury. Were these the 3 that were the champions of the 2 premier SP classes, and the only Grand Prix class? (same club again)
And the ref to 125GP riders, does this imply they don't count as important?

Later in the article "Hampton Downs will also surprise those from down country, that think central North Island tracks are best."
Well I guess "down country" to an Aucklander means Hamilton. To many it's the South Island, where the best tracks are certainly are, not in the mid North Island! Where was he thinking of?

No, it's really funny stuff, take as that

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Well he's 'had a go' at another club directly to my face before so it would not nescassarily be out of character....but hey, you may be right but it is definately 'unfortunate' wording as Robert has said.

Go gettem MArcus, ya nasty little fuck. :spanking:

[slowpoke]

I agree with you slowpoke that profile is crap but contend we still have quality racing. Gareth Jones is a good example of a young rider benefitting from our racing....

Sorry to labour the point but Gareth isn't a Kiwi. He's a nice bloke, talented as hell, only 22(I think) and hopefuly he's benefited from the competition here, but he's not a product of NZ. Which is my point: we have little chance of producing someone similar at a similar age....unless they go overseas from a young age. We just don't have the tracks, or depth of competition, or an internationally respected championship (and soon to be machinery) etc etc to give someone the tools to succeed at a young enough age to interest a good team on a big stage....and riding for a crap team is just a ticket home again.


I recently unpacked a whole pile of ''New zealand Motorcycle News'' From the late 70s, a time when I actually hankered to ride motorcycles. No different then, people were grizzling about the cost of racing, not as rosy as the current CEO of MNZ would like to have everyone believe....

So just like the ol' fish 'n chips we can expect our Ohlins goodies to arrive wrapped in old NZMN pages? Can I add a couple of paua fritters to that cartridge order please, Robert?


No, I think the report in the mag is all tongue in cheek, and quite funny actually. Let's hope he's not serious!
Take the Aug edition:
In ref to the North Island Nat rounds being a month apart
"which would get the backs up of some racers, especially those who don't like to travel across the Cook Straight too often. Not that it will affect too many, as there is only a dedicated few from the mainland that travel north, and most of those are our up and coming 125 racers."
Really? A few, meaning3? How come in 2008 44% of the totat points scored in the Nats were by members of Motorcycling Canterbury. Were these the 3 that were the champions of the 2 premier SP classes, and the only Grand Prix class? (same club again)
And the ref to 125GP riders, does this imply they don't count as important?

Later in the article "Hampton Downs will also surprise those from down country, that think central North Island tracks are best."
Well I guess "down country" to an Aucklander means Hamilton. To many it's the South Island, where the best tracks are certainly are, not in the mid North Island! Where was he thinking of?

No, it's really funny stuff, take as that

Yep, funny as hell really. Red's Triple R team, the most successful team in NZ of recent years (Bugden, Charlett, Smith), is based on the mainland and involves a hell of a lot more than just 2 or 3 riders hopping over the ditch.

The comment on Hampton Downs is just non-sensical! The whole M/C community is hangin' out like Ron Jeremy's ol' fella for HD to be ride ready so there won't be any suprises there.....but it ain't ready yet, and until it is every track in the country has got the wood on Puke', whether he likes it or not.

[Rcktfsh]

[QUOTE=slowpoke;1129388862]Sorry to labour the point but Gareth isn't a Kiwi. He's a nice bloke, talented as hell, only 22(I think) and hopefuly he's benefited from the competition here, but he's not a product of NZ. Which is my point: we have little chance of producing someone similar at a similar age....unless they go overseas from a young age. We just don't have the tracks, or depth of competition, or an internationally respected championship (and soon to be machinery) etc etc to give someone the tools to succeed at a young enough age to interest a good team on a big stage....and riding for a crap team is just a ticket home again.



Definitely not a kiwi as his mangled english proves but he has learnt alot of his race craft in NZ over the last 2 years and RT Motorsports (his dutch team) are a small low profile outfit which hasn't stopped him being noticed by larger ones. For the kiwi riders like Sam Smith who battled glosely with Jones last year it hopefully gives them the confidence to follow in his foot steps.

[wharfy]

The whole M/C community is hangin' out like Ron Jeremy's ol' fella for HD to be ride ready so there won't be any suprises there.....but it ain't ready yet, and until it is every track in the country has got the wood on Puke', whether he likes it or not.

"Ron Jeremy" !!! Your showing your age a bit mate :)

[scrivy]

The whole M/C community is hangin' out like Ron Jeremy's ol' fella for HD to be ride ready so there won't be any suprises there.....but it ain't ready yet, and until it is every track in the country has got the wood on Puke', whether he likes it or not.

Is that called the 'Hampton Downs Syndrome'........:whistle:;):pinch:

[slowpoke]

"Ron Jeremy" !!! Your showing your age a bit mate :)

Waddayamean? He's just a hairy 25 year old going by the porn we've got offshore.....ok, ok, so it might be totally up to date......

[scracha]

"Another top racer used to finish work at 5pm, and then race into town and pump gas from 6pm till midnight, he did this 4 nights a week. Then through the winter he also worked the weekends.


Just ignore the mindless rantings of another whining selfish old cunt who can't remember how easy his generation had everything. Does he write the 'el presidente reports in the pub, on the bag of a fag packet after a half dozen handles?

[prettybillie]

Sometimes things are crap, but unless you want to do it yourself you just have to let them do it their own way. If you think thats hard, try training staff. Everyone does it their own way.

Let it go. Once you are on the track everything will be fine, and if its not fine, it will be good enough.

Steve

Good point really - we are all happy to bag the organisers of a meet or a track day or a practice day when we don't like how it is run however all the moaners seem to be the ones who are not prepared to stand up, join a committee and make the changes they want to see. If you don't like it, stop moaning and become part of the change makers.

[Skunk]

Good point really - we are all happy to bag the organisers of a meet or a track day or a practice day when we don't like how it is run however all the moaners seem to be the ones who are not prepared to stand up, join a committee and make the changes they want to see. If you don't like it, stop moaning and become part of the change makers.
Our whole committee thanks you. We do our best.

[Peter Smith]

Good point really - we are all happy to bag the organisers of a meet or a track day or a practice day when we don't like how it is run however all the moaners seem to be the ones who are not prepared to stand up, join a committee and make the changes they want to see. If you don't like it, stop moaning and become part of the change makers.

Bingo, what she said, withs bells on.

[Biggles08]

I agree, there is little point in merely bagging people for the sake of it. However some people do little to help themselves! This article seems pretty pointless to me and has no logical substance apart from appearing as some weird self indulgence by the writer. It is written in a manner that shows little respect for a club (VMCC) that actually is thriving and performing well! This 'Presidents Report' is a bad piece of writing that highlights an ignorant viewpoint on a well run winter series that is far more competitive and attended than any event that AMCC has held recently! So why highlight this????

[malcy25]

I agree, there is little point in merely bagging people for the sake of it. However some people do little to help themselves! This article seems pretty pointless to me and has no logical substance apart from appearing as some weird self indulgence by the writer. It is written in a manner that shows little respect for a club (VMCC) that actually is thriving and performing well! This 'Presidents Report' is a bad piece of writing that highlights an ignorant viewpoint on a well run winter series that is far more competitive and attended than any event that AMCC has held recently! So why highlight this????

Q: So where does it say it was the VMCC winter series?

A: Doesn't. You drew the inference it was VMCC in your first post.

Q: Where does it bag how another series was run?

A: It doesn't. The only comments to this effect is what you have written.

Logical Sustance? Plenty.
1) Many racers don't know where or how to start getting outside funding for their racing. Costello is talking through the basics that many new racers have no concept of.

Go back 10 or so years ago and the AMCC was running a scholarship programme where they would give away up to $2000 a year to a racer. There were a few very simple requirements. 1) The club was provided with a presentation by any rider in the club on how they would use the money to further their racing or move to a next step (buckets to club series, Club to National, National to International, didn't care which). They selected one rider each year. 2) The selected rider ran a sticker on his bike, and provided reports back to the club newsletter and hopefully a thankyou at the end.

The aim was to get riders to think about presentation and essentially create a proposal they could give to other potential personal sponsors.

This was done a number of years and the club required little in return. Not nothing, just something basic and many riders struggled to even tell the organisation that was funding their racing what they did or even how they got on.

Many struggled to put even a basic presentation together or what they should do or include. Many years there were few applicants. This was almost free money or funding with little in the way of strings attached and riders couldn't even construct a basic presentation (only needed to be written).

The way I see it, nothing has changed much and many new racers still need to understand the basics on what they need to do if they want to atract sponsorship. These editorials are outlining this at a high level and is relevevant to a sector of the racing scene.

Open your eyes a little and you would see that.

2) Club/winter series vs national's? It's all about set your sights high. How many woman do you know, who are just dying to have that cubic zirconia ring.....

[malcy25]

Just ignore the mindless rantings of another whining selfish old cunt who can't remember how easy his generation had everything. Does he write the 'el presidente reports in the pub, on the bag of a fag packet after a half dozen handles?

Selfish?

1) Yeah, go ask him how many hours he puts in a week running the club and what it costs him in his back pocket each year. (hint $5-10k) through lost earnings and probably 20-40 hours a week on top of his day job.

And it's not like he's getting the fun of racing a bike for that, plus carries all the stress....
2) At Puke, who's ute is used as the pick up vehicle each meeting dragging broken bikes back
3) Who's ute is used by all and sundry as the work horse
4) who's ute is used to cart all the equipment to / from the circuit each meeting
5) So he grew up in the time of "Milk & Honey" I bet he had control of when he was born. Not!
6) Refer Robert Taylor's comment above - 30 years ago people were moaning about costs then. So was it that much easier? No.

C**Ts: last time I looked, they were useful....

So, tell me again, how exactly is he being selfish?

Maybe instead we should ignore the mindless ramblings of another whining selfish racer.

[prettybillie]

At the end of the day bud - we ALL know you have very little respect for the AMCC and even less for their president - so in future if you get something sent to you like this, just simply don't read it. Throw it out and move on. It's that simple! You seem to have spent a lot of time analysing this piece of writing when I'm sure you've got better things to do.

[Biggles08]

Q: So where does it say it was the VMCC winter series?

A: Doesn't. You drew the inference it was VMCC in your first post.

Q: Where does it bag how another series was run?

A: It doesn't. The only comments to this effect is what you have written.

FFS Malcy I believe it to be you that needs to "open your eyes" if you can't see the link that everyone knows was VMCC. How many winter series are there that potential AMCC members might know about and compete in...answer that please? Oh hell, I'll play your game A: ONLY VMCC!



Logical Sustance? Plenty.
1) Many racers don't know where or how to start getting outside funding for their racing. Costello is talking through the basics that many new racers have no concept of.

I agree completely with you here but disagree that this piece of writing will help any of these you are refering to.



Go back 10 or so years ago and the AMCC was running a scholarship programme where they would give away up to $2000 a year to a racer. There were a few very simple requirements. 1) The club was provided with a presentation by any rider in the club on how they would use the money to further their racing or move to a next step (buckets to club series, Club to National, National to International, didn't care which). They selected one rider each year. 2) The selected rider ran a sticker on his bike, and provided reports back to the club newsletter and hopefully a thankyou at the end.

The aim was to get riders to think about presentation and essentially create a proposal they could give to other potential personal sponsors.

This was done a number of years and the club required little in return. Not nothing, just something basic and many riders struggled to even tell the organisation that was funding their racing what they did or even how they got on.

Many struggled to put even a basic presentation together or what they should do or include. Many years there were few applicants. This was almost free money or funding with little in the way of strings attached and riders couldn't even construct a basic presentation (only needed to be written).

The way I see it, nothing has changed much and many new racers still need to understand the basics on what they need to do if they want to atract sponsorship. These editorials are outlining this at a high level and is relevevant to a sector of the racing scene.

Sounds like "in the good ol days" AMCC and its leader(s) had a bit of vision and enthusiasim.....the way i see it LOTS has changed!



Open your eyes a little and you would see that.

my eyes are very open malcy....how about your mind? Is that open to new ideas?



2) Club/winter series vs national's? It's all about set your sights high. How many woman do you know, who are just dying to have that cubic zirconia ring..... If this really was what he was trying to elude to with no underhanded cheap shot at another club intended, why didn't he use the club he is president of and the AMCC summer series as the example to try and aspire more than? I'll help you out and see how you think it would read "These guys had competed in the nationals and not just some AMCC summer series."

open your eyes Malcy!:eek5:

[Biggles08]

At the end of the day bud - we ALL know you have very little respect for the AMCC and even less for their president - so in future if you get something sent to you like this, just simply don't read it. Throw it out and move on. It's that simple! You seem to have spent a lot of time analysing this piece of writing when I'm sure you've got better things to do.

AMCC is an inert item and as such I have no feelings towards it as a club either good or bad. I do certainly believe the AMCC leadership needs to take a long hard look at what is happening right under their noses. I do have some hope for the future for this club once things start changing as I'm sure many would agree needs to happen. Its no so much a witch hunt that is required but a re-evaluation of where things have got to, how they got to that stage, and how to change. Items like this one show me that the AMCC President still seems to be hell bent on doing WHATEVER he wants to do rather than listening to people around him with good ideas. Hell maybe even learning off other clubs instead of bagging them!

Also, If everyone ignored problems they would never be changed. there is a saying that I'll paraphrase but its along the lines of "A sign of insainity is doing the same things over and over again expecting a different result." First problems need to be realized and accepted as such, then everyone can get on with working towards fixing the problem. From where I'm sitting it appears 90% of AMCC's issues lay with its leader's lack of accepting that there IS a problem!

[Benk]

Haha, let it diiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.............

[prettybillie]

Also, If everyone ignored problems they would never be changed. there is a saying that I'll paraphrase but its along the lines of "A sign of insainity is doing the same things over and over again expecting a different result." First problems need to be realized and accepted as such, then everyone can get on with working towards fixing the problem. From where I'm sitting it appears 90% of AMCC's issues lay with its leader's lack of accepting that there IS a problem!

Do I hear you volunteering yourself for the AMCC President's role. All in favour say "I"

[malcy25]

FFS Malcy I believe it to be you that needs to "open your eyes" if you can't see the link that everyone knows was VMCC. How many winter series are there that potential AMCC members might know about and compete in...answer that please? Oh hell, I'll play your game A: ONLY VMCC!

I agree completely with you here but disagree that this piece of writing will help any of these you are refering to.

Sounds like "in the good ol days" AMCC and its leader(s) had a bit of vision and enthusiasim.....the way i see it LOTS has changed!

my eyes are very open malcy....how about your mind? Is that open to new ideas?

If this really was what he was trying to elude to with no underhanded cheap shot at another club intended, why didn't he use the club he is president of and the AMCC summer series as the example to try and aspire more than? I'll help you out and see how you think it would read "These guys had competed in the nationals and not just some AMCC summer series."

open your eyes Malcy!:eek5:

Still takin' the bait I see....



I agree completely with you here but disagree that this piece of writing will help any of these you are refering to.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt. I have seen the results - many many riders do not know even where to start and what is involved in attracting sponsors, or what they need to provide in return. I'll credit you with the fact that you have, and you have gone outside the industry which is bloody good. However, you are the exception, but that is clouding your view of the world. Not everyone by far has have had the skills or results you have and need the direct high level steerage.


Sounds like "in the good ol days" AMCC and its leader(s) had a bit of vision and enthusiasim.....the way i see it LOTS has changed!

my eyes are very open malcy....how about your mind? Is that open to new ideas?

Thanks, I see it as one of the best of many things I have helped develop & instigate over the years at various levels in the motorcycle sport community in NZ. I guess that by default must mean I am open to new ideas (gosh, it could be even said that at various times I created results, not just ideas.....)

Q: You know why the scholarship stopped?
A: Mostly rider apathy. They wouldn't get off the arse for almost no strings attached cash. When they did, some didn't even bother to tell the sponsor what they did.

As benk says, let it diiiiiieeeeeeee, get over it, stop fixating on him. I doubt he is on you...
:bye:

[scracha]

Q: So where does it say it was the VMCC winter series?

Please send me details of another winter series in the North Island. I'm always keen to get more races in.


Selfish?
So, tell me again, how exactly is he being selfish?


Fair points, but for the love of ged can baby boomers stop implying that today's racers are all lasy wee $hites who've had everything handed on a plate?

"Another top racer used to finish work at 5pm, and then race into town and pump gas from 6pm till midnight, he did this 4 nights a week. Then through the winter he also worked the weekends"

Patronising or what?

Finishing well after 5pm, taking work home with them and working quite a few weekends, often away from home is the norm for a hell of a lot of racers.

[Biggles08]

Do I hear you volunteering yourself for the AMCC President's role. All in favour say "I" Nay! I think your more suited to that role PB! :woohoo:

[prettybillie]

Nay! I think your more suited to that role PB! :woohoo:

What and have bastards like you abusing me all the time for doing the job I don't get paid to do.......I'll pass thanks mate :bleh:

[Skunk]

What and have bastards like you abusing me all the time for doing the job I don't get paid to do.......I'll pass thanks mate :bleh:
Join the club :lol:

[Biggles08]

What and have bastards like you abusing me all the time for doing the job I don't get paid to do.......I'll pass thanks mate :bleh:

I would think you would love it....then you could have endless reasons to be a bitch right back at 'bastards like me':nya:

[scott411]

What and have bastards like you abusing me all the time for doing the job I don't get paid to do.......I'll pass thanks mate :bleh:

the best thing said in this whole thread, the truth is less people are putting there hands up for jobs in clubs, and MNZ (there is a road race and safety comissioners roll up for grabs if anyone wants them),

websites and people bashing the club helpers on here are not making it any easier, you need races and officials to make a decent race meeting,

ill give you some credit Biggles, at least you make yourself known who you are,

[Biggles08]

the best thing said in this whole thread, the truth is less people are putting there hands up for jobs in clubs, and MNZ (there is a road race and safety comissioners roll up for grabs if anyone wants them),

websites and people bashing the club helpers on here are not making it any easier, you need races and officials to make a decent race meeting,

ill give you some credit Biggles, at least you make yourself known who you are,

Just to be very clear scott411...I am NOT bashing anyone...including the Club President, I am however criticising his performance and methods. Who else would you suggest should hold club leaders accountable if not their very own (ex) members? Its all very well to say that these forums dont help for people to want to stand up...but remember where most of the volunteers actually come from...here usually. Forums are a fantastic way for people to say what is really going on. I won't get into it here as there are plenty of other threads to discuss the pros and cons about forums. This thread was only a reaction to reading a poorly drafted report that I still believe was written with a bad undertone.

[prettybillie]

I would think you would love it....then you could have endless reasons to be a bitch right back at 'bastards like me':nya:

Really? I think all the clubs across New Zealand have extremely professional presidents who, unlike me, don't waste their time bitching about and to bastards like you...........this tread bores me now.....going to see what shit I can stir in another one :bash:

[Teambwr47]

Biggles,

From what i know of you you've been in the sport of racing for a relatively short space of time but seem to want to change an awful lot of things...

With respect you're going to find that a lot of people put a lot of time into running events for you and i to race at. Like me you will (I had) have dreams of making it to professional level racing but the reality is you will always remain an amateur and the sport will be your hobby.

I've raced at most levels and a hell of lot of people have volunteered their time as organisers/medics/marshals etc to provide events for me to enjoy 15 years of racing at from club to BSB racing. Along the way I've met many people some of whom I've not agreed with in terms of decisions most notable of which was the head or the ACU in the UK who was also head of one of the main UK clubs New Era.

I know Chris Costello from racing with the AMCC this past season and while he says it in an unusal fashion sometimes he has the interests of the sport and riders at heart even if that is in his own ideas and views.

You have moaned on a regular basis about Pukekohe and the AMCC... mate don't ride at Pukekohe and don't enter AMCC events....end of your issues!

In the meantime many of us will be out at Pukekohe in October for round 1.

[Biggles08]

Biggles,

From what i know of you you've been in the sport of racing for a relatively short space of time but seem to want to change an awful lot of things...

With respect you're going to find that a lot of people put a lot of time into running events for you and i to race at. Like me you will (I had) have dreams of making it to professional level racing but the reality is you will always remain an amateur and the sport will be your hobby.

I've raced at most levels and a hell of lot of people have volunteered their time as organisers/medics/marshals etc to provide events for me to enjoy 15 years of racing at from club to BSB racing. Along the way I've met many people some of whom I've not agreed with in terms of decisions most notable of which was the head or the ACU in the UK who was also head of one of the main UK clubs New Era.

I know Chris Costello from racing with the AMCC this past season and while he says it in an unusal fashion sometimes he has the interests of the sport and riders at heart even if that is in his own ideas and views.

You have moaned on a regular basis about Pukekohe and the AMCC... mate don't ride at Pukekohe and don't enter AMCC events....end of your issues!

In the meantime many of us will be out at Pukekohe in October for round 1.

Now here at last is a post that is worth its weight in gold! Honestly bud I really couldn't agree more with most of what you have said apart from the first sentence of yours...I don't want to change that much really.

With regards to Chris Costelo I have no issues with him as a person...as in fact I don't know him that well so it would be unfair for me to have formed one about him on a personal level. I also don't doubt he has (or maybe had) at his core a sense of 'doing the best for this sport,' However, he is simply holding back AMCC from moving forward now. I have heard from many people he would love to step down but feels there is no one to take his spot. The simple fact is, if he really believes this then he is doing more harm by staying there....step aside and the spot will be filled...by someone. Even if only for a temporary time. By feeling like this it trickles down the ranks all the way to you and I and what happens is AMCC end up with 3-4 bikes competing in the AMCC 'superbike' class at the 2009 summer series! That’s pathetic considering Auckland IS the largest population base in NZ!?! You can't blame riders 'apathy' or that its 'too expensive now' or any other excuse...it’s simple...it was not an attractive series to partake in for MANY reasons (as I have pointed out many times before).

As for my opinion of Pukekohe...that’s well documented. I still can't understand though why people continue to defend it? I understand why people choose to ride/race there but people are still defending it as a good facility and even worse some people still believe it is safe?! I actually enjoy riding at Pukekohe believe it or not! It is a fast track and the only one like it. It is bumpy and interesting to ride because of it BUT...and it’s a big BUT (mmmm...I like big butts and I cannot lie) it is crap because it is dangerous for no run off...that’s why I don't want to race there (although I will say I have never said that I won't). Because of why I like it is exactly the reason it is dangerous too...when we push hard we are at the edge of performance of both rider and machine...it’s not a matter of if we crash it’s a matter of when....so when we crash, I don't want a concrete wall as my buffer.

Now I cannot agree more about all the people who give up their time for us to race. But this is peripheral to the topic here. In fact if I was one of these people who gave my time up to be a marshal or to help set up the course etc I would be more vocal about what was wrong! I would be more pissed that only 3-4 bikes turned up to race in the superbikes...I would be considering why bother?!?! I would want things to change even more! I am not the enemy of AMCC as defenders of the club seem to misinterpret my posts to be...I'm actually for AMCC and want it to become better. It will never start to get better if major things don't change and that is completely out of all but a few people’s hands.

Marcus

[Tony.OK]

Marcus everything can be over anylised mate, and people can read into something that the next person doesn't see. I read the letter and to be honest it had a different effect on me in that it made me feel guilty for not trying harder.
Some of your posts can also come across in a way that you may not have intended, which is why people may be biting.

I've only had one experience with the AMCC which was Paeroa, and frankly it was the best racing experience I've had to date, if they can run that event then they must be doing something right.
And that kind of makes the Puke "danger" thing a mute point, Paeroa is dangerous the whole way round but people flock there to put themselves at risk do they not?

Don't be so sure that another will fill a spot either fella, the spots on MNZ are still vacant, it takes a very dedicated person to devote so much free time to a sport they don't even participate in, and it only takes a few knockers to upset the apple kart compared with a much higher level of praise.

You're doing well with support dude, and unfortunately we've entered this sport at a low point for many, ride yer bike, don't take it too seriously, and have a ball while ya can mate.

And I'm not having a dig, just a view from a different perspective.

So lets get to round 5 and have a blast doin skids aye?:Punk:

[Biggles08]

Marcus everything can be over anylised mate, and people can read into something that the next person doesn't see. I read the letter and to be honest it had a different effect on me in that it made me feel guilty for not trying harder.
Some of your posts can also come across in a way that you may not have intended, which is why people may be biting.

I've only had one experience with the AMCC which was Paeroa, and frankly it was the best racing experience I've had to date, if they can run that event then they must be doing something right.
And that kind of makes the Puke "danger" thing a mute point, Paeroa is dangerous the whole way round but people flock there to put themselves at risk do they not?

Don't be so sure that another will fill a spot either fella, the spots on MNZ are still vacant, it takes a very dedicated person to devote so much free time to a sport they don't even participate in, and it only takes a few knockers to upset the apple kart compared with a much higher level of praise.

You're doing well with support dude, and unfortunately we've entered this sport at a low point for many, ride yer bike, don't take it too seriously, and have a ball while ya can mate.

And I'm not having a dig, just a view from a different perspective.

So lets get to round 5 and have a blast doin skids aye?:Punk:

Fair enough TOK...I'm kinda over it anyway now...I think the point has been made and that was all I intended.

On your other note, if we're honest Tony...the only reason Paeroa is wanted to be attended by racers is two reasons....firstly everyone wants to race in front of a large crowd...and Paeroa is probably the largest most will ever race in front of (And this is due to B.O.T.S advertising that is not AMCC organized I would point out too). And the second reason is because anyone who has managed to secure sponsors for thier racing wants them to be there for the same reason as the first; large crowds. And incidently, this is the only reason I will race the streets as I'm contracted to do it and need to 'bite the bullet' so to speak. If I had a choice I would only race circuits as I came racing to get off the roads and reduce the risk believe it or not!

I have only been racing for less than a year and I would have to say that in this short time I have realized what 'politics' are involved in racing. I find it hard to ignore average performance when someone seems hell bent on convincing everyone their performance is flawless. Both VMCC and PMCC run a tighter program and race day than AMCC ever has in my experience. I do realize they have been around a lot longer than the short time I have and most likely it has been an unfortunate coincidence that the events I have competed in at AMCC have be abysmal...and us the riders were blamed EVERYTIME!?! Anyway, as said in the opening sentence I'm over it....and hopefully someone, somewhere will try to pay attention to what I'm really trying to say rather than take it so personally.

See you at R5 (well the arse of your purdy hondah anyway):Punk:!

[Benk]

the only reason Paeroa is wanted to be attended by racers is two reasons....firstly everyone wants to race in front of a large crowd...and Paeroa is probably the largest most will ever race in front of (And this is due to B.O.T.S advertising that is not AMCC organized I would point out too). And the second reason is because anyone who has managed to secure sponsors for thier racing wants them to be there for the same reason as the first; large crowds.

You forgot the third and most important. Because its fun.

[Biggles08]

You forgot the third and most important. Because its fun.

The circuit or the experience? I haven't done it, but I would imagine it is fun because of the two reasons I stated :wari:

[Peter Smith]

With regards to Chris Costelo I have no issues with him as a person...as in fact I don't know him that well so it would be unfair for me to have formed one about him on a personal level. I also don't doubt he has (or maybe had) at his core a sense of 'doing the best for this sport,' However, he is simply holding back AMCC from moving forward now. I have heard from many people he would love to step down but feels there is no one to take his spot. The simple fact is, if he really believes this then he is doing more harm by staying there....step aside and the spot will be filled...by someone. Even if only for a temporary time. By feeling like this it trickles down the ranks all the way to you and I and what happens is AMCC end up with 3-4 bikes competing in the AMCC 'superbike' class at the 2009 summer series! That’s pathetic considering Auckland IS the largest population base in NZ!?! You can't blame riders 'apathy' or that its 'too expensive now' or any other excuse...it’s simple...it was not an attractive series to partake in for MANY reasons (as I have pointed out many times before).

Marcus

You can't seriously blame Chris for only 3-4 bikes in the superbike class.:blink:

I race at meetings where I have no idea who the club committee members are.

Like you I have only been back into racing this year. I've join the AMCC and the NZPCRA. I am now on the NZPCRA committee and am busy promoting the club and its events. There are different personalities and points of view, but in the end we all want the club to succeed.
If you really want the AMCC to move forward get more involved with them, go to their club meetings and discuss your ideas, and promote their events.

[Biggles08]

You can't seriously blame Chris for only 3-4 bikes in the superbike class.:blink:

I race at meetings where I have no idea who the club committee members are.

Like you I have only been back into racing this year. I've join the AMCC and the NZPCRA. I am now on the NZPCRA committee and am busy promoting the club and its events. There are different personalities and points of view, but in the end we all want the club to succeed.
If you really want the AMCC to move forward get more involved with them, go to their club meetings and discuss your ideas, and promote their events.

There is a long list of reasons why there was only 3-4 bikes at the last round of the last Summer Series Peter so no I don't 'blame' Chris for this specifically. Change is required and it is slow in happening because of people not letting it happen...Chris has some of the blame here IMO.

I always get the 'if you want things to change get more involved' speech Peter and quite honestly I'm sick of explaining why I don't have to be on the committee to be involved! The simple fact is I am 'getting involved' right now by posting here...why can't you realize that? Everyone knows who I am and either agrees with me or doesn't. Chris has made mention in previous 'Presidents Reports' about this very forum (not in nice light either I might add) so my ideas are being discussed. Why is this so wrong just because it is on a forum?

[Peter Smith]

On your other note, if we're honest Tony...the only reason Paeroa is wanted to be attended by racers is two reasons....firstly everyone wants to race in front of a large crowd...and Paeroa is probably the largest most will ever race in front of (And this is due to B.O.T.S advertising that is not AMCC organized I would point out too). And the second reason is because anyone who has managed to secure sponsors for thier racing wants them to be there for the same reason as the first; large crowds.

I don't have any sponsors and don't give a rip about the crowds.

I have raced there many years ago and was scared sh**less. I don't like street racing.
I'll be racing there this year to support the club.

[Benk]

The circuit or the experience? I haven't done it, but I would imagine it is fun because of the two reasons I stated :wari:

Id race it again if there was no people watching. The spectators do amplify things, but it was way different than a race track.

[prettybillie]

There is a long list of reasons why there was only 3-4 bikes at the last round of the last Summer Series Peter so no I don't 'blame' Chris for this specifically. Change is required and it is slow in happening because of people not letting it happen...Chris has some of the blame here IMO.

I always get the 'if you want things to change get more involved' speech Peter and quite honestly I'm sick of explaining why I don't have to be on the committee to be involved! The simple fact is I am 'getting involved' right now by posting here...why can't you realize that? Everyone knows who I am and either agrees with me or doesn't. Chris has made mention in previous 'Presidents Reports' about this very forum (not in nice light either I might add) so my ideas are being discussed. Why is this so wrong just because it is on a forum?

FFS - bitching about people on a forum is not getting involved.

You've made very few relevant points here other than making it more known that you are not a fan of AMCC or Chris Costello.....we get it! You don't think either are doing a very good job.

How about rather than running the club and people down actually post some relevant ideas of how you think things could be run better, or even better, actually get off your arse and join a committee.

TBH because you have a huge history of negativity towards AMCC in general, at the end of the day I would be very surprised if anything you said would be taken on board.

You moan and moan and moan, but have every excuse under the sun for not actually getting on a committee and making a change.

Give it up dude - you're not a member of the club, you aren't racing at the AMCC rounds, therefore nothing the club or it's president does has any impact on you whatsoever....

And dude - all this bitching over a report in a fucken newsletter!!! You got nothing better to do buddy????!!!!!

[jrandom]

Meow, scratch, hiss

:lol:

Glad to see there's no bad blood between you two.

[prettybillie]

:lol:

Glad to see there's no bad blood between you two.

Glad to see you're still a gigantic shit stirring bastard :Offtopic:

[Devil]

:lol:

Glad to see there's no bad blood between you two.

More polite than I could have managed!

[Pussy]

:lol:

Glad to see there's no bad blood between you two.


Glad to see you're still a gigantic shit stirring bastard :Offtopic:

Ah.... feel the love!

[slowpoke]

Along the way I've met many people some of whom I've not agreed with in terms of decisions most notable of which was the head or the ACU in the UK who was also head of one of the main UK clubs New Era.



You aren't Guy Martin in disguise are ya Brian? You don't have a laptop at home with a couple of fingers stuck inside it?

[scuzeme]

Hey guys im just gunna push live pause cause my popcorns run out and so has my diet Pepsi and my throat is horse from crying "Jerry Jerry" can youse hang on for a few seconds.

Just a thought for you Marcus and you PB, i bet if Marcus did crash at Puke, Leanne you would be one of the first to offer him a ride to Hospital and help put his Bike on the trailer.
If one of us ever goes down on the track or on the road then a thread like this teaches all of us how really childish these arguments really are, dont you think.

Confucious say "Sometime loudest protest is made by longest silence", in other words if any of you didnt like what Marcus said, your lack of response to his thread would have made the thread look irelevent and rather silly, but instead the dog has had his day and hey...maybe we can get another 80 replies.

Ok im back on the lazyboy and the play button has been pushed...........resume :innocent:

[slowpoke]

Hey guys im just gunna push live pause cause my popcorns run out and so has my diet Pepsi and my throat is horse from crying "Jerry Jerry" can youse hang on for a few seconds.

Just a thought for you Marcus and you Leanne, i bet if Marcus did crash at Puke, Leanne you would be one of the first to offer him a ride to Hospital and help put his Bike on the trailer.
If one of us ever goes down on the track or on the road then a thread like this teaches all of us how really childish these arguments really are, dont you think.

Confucious say "Sometime loudest protest is made by longest silence", in other words if any of you didnt like what Marcus said, your lack of response to his thread would have made the thread look irelevent and rather silly, but instead the dog has had his day and hey...maybe we can get another 80 replies.

Ok im back on the lazyboy and the play button has been pushed...........resume :innocent:

Hmmmm, I'm startin' to see how you managed to get your mits on that lovely bike(s). To paraphrase Booboo: "you're smarter than the average bear, Yogi"

[Biggles08]

FFS - bitching about people on a forum is not getting involved.

You've made very few relevant points here other than making it more known that you are not a fan of AMCC or Chris Costello.....we get it! You don't think either are doing a very good job.

How about rather than running the club and people down actually post some relevant ideas of how you think things could be run better, or even better, actually get off your arse and join a committee.

TBH because you have a huge history of negativity towards AMCC in general, at the end of the day I would be very surprised if anything you said would be taken on board.

You moan and moan and moan, but have every excuse under the sun for not actually getting on a committee and making a change.

Give it up dude - you're not a member of the club, you aren't racing at the AMCC rounds, therefore nothing the club or it's president does has any impact on you whatsoever....

And dude - all this bitching over a report in a fucken newsletter!!! You got nothing better to do buddy????!!!!!

Obviously I have given you too much credit in the past PB...you have taken eveything personally and here I was hoping you may be part of the solution...apparently not with this response:slap:.

[scott411]

Obviously I have given you too much credit in the past PB...you have taken eveything personally and here I was hoping you may be part of the solution...apparently not with this response:slap:.

she has a shit load more chance of being the solution by getting involved with the running of meetings, rather than just giving thoughts out on the internet,

[Biggles08]

she has a shit load more chance of being the solution by getting involved with the running of meetings, rather than just giving thoughts out on the internet,

Really...so what you are saying is what is the point in posting here? Are you of the thought that there Is there no good reason to challenge the status quo by stating it here on this little unused forum that nobody frequents?:confused:

righto.

[Peter Smith]

Obviously I have given you too much credit in the past PB...you have taken eveything personally and here I was hoping you may be part of the solution...apparently not with this response:slap:.

Dude, lay off PB, she is doing her best to get behind motorcycle racing in the Auckland area, while all I've heard you do is bitch and complain.
You obviously don't want to help, so stop bitchin ya cry baby.:crybaby:

[Biggles08]

Dude, lay off PB, she is doing her best to get behind motorcycle racing in the Auckland area, while all I've heard you do is bitch and complain.
You obviously don't want to help, so stop bitchin ya cry baby.:crybaby:

Re-Read her post again Peter. I'm not crying either.

[scott411]

Really...so what you are saying is what is the point in posting here? Are you of the thought that there Is there no good reason to challenge the status quo by stating it here on this little unused forum that nobody frequents?:confused:

righto.

not saying that at all, i am saying doing work on the ground is probebly 10 x more important,

discussion can be good, but doing stuff is far more usefull,

[Biggles08]

Ok so a serious question here. Why am I getting so much grief from some people here regarding this topic? Seriously? I am not moaning or crying or merely bitching about people and I certainly AM very involved in motorcycling so why can I not express my concerns about a club that seems in a lot of trouble? Why am I the enemy? If you lot cared about this club so much surely you should consider what I am saying at least for a bit before attacking me and stating inaccurate presumptions on my intentions.

[SixPackBack]

she has a shit load more chance of being the solution by getting involved with the running of meetings, rather than just giving thoughts out on the internet,

I disagree. An absence of real leadership and a vision of the future will see the AMCC continuing on the same old tired path, no amount of hard-work will help AMCC perform to its maximum potential. The current leader may be a suitable lieutenant to inspire the troops, but as a leader and business manager he mires the AMCC in the 70's. A casual perusal of the club news letter [A piss poor attempt your average 16 year old could better] and his outrageous comments of club helpers [many of whom also frequent KB], coupled with a complete absence of vision mark him as totally unsuitable.
Many folk [such as biggles] have enough savvy to realise that without a collective shift in the AMCC mind set true potential will never be realised, and that getting involved with the club in its present form exasperates the problems.
Get rid of El Presidente, spend at least 120K a year hiring a professional business manager for the next 5 years and revolutionise the AMCC.

[scott411]

imo you are attacking the club and its unpaid officals, like you have done in posts before, we all get you do not like the amcc and what it does,

you claim you are getting attacked for expressing you opinion, yet this post started out attacking someone else's opinion piece,

[Biggles08]

not saying that at all, i am saying doing work on the ground is probebly 10 x more important,

discussion can be good, but doing stuff is far more usefull,

I disagree and if you have had any sort of involvement with a company going through a 'change of guard' accepting there is a problem is far more important initially followed by action plans and then feet on the ground. From what I have seen in this thread there is a BIG need for accepting the fact that there is a problem here and what I am suggesting is indeed accurate! Trust me, I'm not saying what I am saying just to shit stir (as I have been known to do in the past) I am saying this to create some awareness and discussion as it seems little has changed from the begining of the year.

[scott411]

I disagree. An absence of real leadership and a vision of the future will see the AMCC continuing on the same old tired path, no amount of hard-work will help AMCC perform to its maximum potential. The current leader may be a suitable lieutenant to inspire the troops, but as a leader and business manager he mires the AMCC in the 70's. A casual perusal of the club news letter [A piss poor attempt your average 16 year old could better] and his outrageous comments of club helpers [many of whom also frequent KB], coupled with a complete absence of vision mark him as totally unsuitable.
Many folk [such as biggles] have enough savvy to realise that without a collective shift in the AMCC mind set true potential will never be realised, and that getting involved with the club in its present form exasperates the problems.
Get rid of El Presidente, spend at least 120K a year hiring a professional business manager for the next 5 years and revolutionise the AMCC.

i like the fact you have put some thought into it and have a bit of a plan, if you beleive in it stand for the president next agm,

[Biggles08]

imo you are attacking the club and its unpaid officals, like you have done in posts before, we all get you do not like the amcc and what it does,

you claim you are getting attacked for expressing you opinion, yet this post started out attacking someone else's opinion piece,

You are reading into what I am saying completely wrong if this is what you honestly see. You really don't get it... try and comprehend that it is VERY hard to write a critical opinion on things that are not going well when there are people such as yourself wanting to read it inaccurately and 'shoot the messenger.' You say I have attacked AMCC in the past...BS...I have been criticle on certain events that have occured...and I might point out rightly so too! I have offered thoughts on how to improve things both on this forum and directly to the club president so don't presume you know my intentions. Try not to get so emotional and at least agree that there is a problem.

[Biggles08]

i like the fact you have put some thought into it and have a bit of a plan, if you beleive in it stand for the president next agm,

FFS Scott....does everyone with a vision need to "stand for the committee" cause essentially you are acknowledging that the current one has none!

There is a job for everyone and not everyone can be a 'Club President' or a member of the committee. I for one am such a person. Just because of this oppinion you write off half the talent that is involved in AMCC. Maybe I could help in marketing or promotion and helping create a vision for the club but as Sixpackback has correctly pointed out....Bigger fish need attending to first!

Its mindboggling to me to see the ignorance of people like you (that is not meant in a derogitory way too btw) who fail to see the forrest for the trees! I AM NOT PART OF THE PROBLEM JUST BECAUSE I HIGHLIGHT THE PROBLEM!

[scott411]

maybe i am reading to much into what you said, but then i think the same can be said about you reading to much into Chris attacking the vic club, we all interpret things differently,

You say I have attacked AMCC in the past...BS...I have been criticle on certain events that have occured...and I might point out rightly so too!

there is a fine line between the two, and again different people see things different,

[SixPackBack]

i like the fact you have put some thought into it and have a bit of a plan, if you beleive in it stand for the president next agm,

I have given you the answer scott411, hire a professional leader with real vision.

[Biggles08]

I have given you the answer scott411, hire a professional leader with real vision.

Far too obvious...and besides how will AMCC pay for that?:innocent:

[scott411]

Its mindboggling to me to see the ignorance of people like you (that is not meant in a derogitory way too btw) who fail to see the forrest for the trees! I AM NOT PART OF THE PROBLEM JUST BECAUSE I HIGHLIGHT THE PROBLEM!

i am in many groups, so can you please tell me who else is like me?

i am not saying that you need to stand yourself, but do you think the committee of the amcc purposly run things to piss people off?,

what i am saying is if you do not like it change it, do not ask other people to change it for you,

if you are not part of the solution you are essentally part of the problem are you not?, and i do not personally think that writing your thoughts on a website is a solutions,

i guess we are never going to agree, because i can not see the point in attacking a volenteer unless you are prepared to do it yourself, solutions are not written on websites, they are acted upon,

[Biggles08]

maybe i am reading to much into what you said, but then i think the same can be said about you reading to much into Chris attacking the vic club, we all interpret things differently,


there is a fine line between the two, and again different people see things different,

No there isn't...attacking the club is a completely different thing than being critical on issues that occur.

Re CC and the newsletter I have no way to know his intentions behind what he wrote BUT I have heard him with my own two ears belittleing the PMCC summer series and bagging them with NO reason to do so. So when you take history and that sentence I think I'm right to interpret in this manner. And like I said in a previous post why did he not use "...not just the AMCC Summer Series" as his catch phrase if he meant no malace?

[SixPackBack]

Far too obvious...and besides how will AMCC pay for that?:innocent:

Big question to answer. I suspect much like myself you have a good idea where to start the process and what the AMCC could evolve into, funding the revolution is only one issue of consideration, and given the potential a minor one.

[scott411]

I have given you the answer scott411, hire a professional leader with real vision.

i do not see that as an answer personally,

i think that will create more problems, if you want proof look at MNZ, they have a prefessional CEO with a vision, (as did the 2 CEOs before him)

being involved with a club that has some poeple paid, it becomes a shitfight when you start paying some positions, and not others,

as i said, that is only my opinion,

[SixPackBack]

i do not see that as an answer personally,

i think that will create more problems, if you want proof look at MNZ, they have a prefessional CEO with a vision, (as did the 2 CEOs before him)

being involved with a club that has some poeple paid, it becomes a shitfight when you start paying some positions, and not others,

as i said, that is only my opinion,

'Persactly why the status quo will stay and perhaps never change at the AMCC, as previously mentioned the collective mindset needs to change, and before an executive leader is hired the club needs to agree on some ground rules, the most important of which would be intolerance towards disruption.
In short [and plain English], hiring a professional is a total waste of time if said individual has to spend their entire time fighting the club.

[Biggles08]

i am in many groups, so can you please tell me who else is like me?

people who fail to see I'm not creating a problem merely highlighting one



i am not saying that you need to stand yourself, but do you think the committee of the amcc purposly run things to piss people off?,

Thats just silly and of course I don't think that! I don't see your point here



what i am saying is if you do not like it change it, do not ask other people to change it for you,

Wrong! like I have said before....this time read it....everyone has a different role to play in every organization....DON'T presume you know what mine is!



if you are not part of the solution you are essentally part of the problem are you not?, and i do not personally think that writing your thoughts on a website is a solutions,

Once again I will say it so read it as I'm getting sick of repeating myself ....a solution is a process that involves FIRSTLY acknowledgement that there is a problem.....that has not happened yet and YOU are more of the problem if you can't see this! Posting on 'a website' is kind of understating the actual truth wouldn't you say? This is a powerful tool and the internet is here to stay. Those whom do not recognised this will be left behind. Check out my Biggles Racing Facebook page scott...if you know what that is (sorry that was a bit cheeky:shifty:).



i guess we are never going to agree, because i can not see the point in attacking a volenteer unless you are prepared to do it yourself, solutions are not written on websites, they are acted upon,

refer to the point above...It needs to be acknowledged first then change implimented, it can't go the other way.

[scott411]

'Persactly why the status quo will stay and perhaps never change at the AMCC, as previously mentioned the collective mindset needs to change, and before an executive leader is hired the club needs to agree on some ground rules, the most important of which would be intolerance towards disruption.
In short [and plain English], hiring a professional is a total waste of time if said individual has to spend their entire time fighting the club.

agree 100% with what you said here, and i think it is not alone with the amcc, but though the whole sport of motorcycle racing in nz, promotors are what are needed imo

[scott411]

This is a powerful tool and the internet is here to stay. Those whom do not recognised this will be left behind. Check out my Biggles Racing Facebook page scott...if you know what that is (sorry that was a bit cheeky:shifty:).

since we are being cheeky, i only really follow national level racers, ;) ;)

seriously tho,

i understand what you are saying, i still have a bit of a problem the way you are doing it but we are all different in that,

i am not sure if you have worked in a club (weather being in motorcycle racing or not) but you get a certain pride in it, and you do not want others to let it decline, i am sure Chris would step aside if he felt someone was going to grow the club, i know i would with the club i am president of,

[Biggles08]

since we are being cheeky, i only really follow national level racers, ;) ;)

seriously tho,

i understand what you are saying, i still have a bit of a problem the way you are doing it but we are all different in that,

i am not sure if you have worked in a club (weather being in motorcycle racing or not) but you get a certain pride in it, and you do not want others to let it decline, i am sure Chris would step aside if he felt someone was going to grow the club, i know i would with the club i am president of,

hahaha....touche scott! and I can understand this too. Like I have said, I'm not trying to bash CC personally as some whould have you believe, I just see things need to change....and maybe that pride is slightly getting in the way.

[Burrt Badger]

Biggles. There are two solutions available. Get off your puritanical arse and stand as President of AMCC, or join another club that does things the way you want them done. Don't bitch and moan and expect other people to fix things. Stand up and be a man, not a pathetic little weasel who attacks a person that has given up countless hours to organise race meetings for riders to race at. Don't blame AMCC for Pukekohe Circuit, the club works with the facility provided and has spent a shit load of money on crash bales to make the place as safe as they can. Note the "as safe as they can" bit.
If you feel that the AMCC administration is so far off line, and can provide evidence of this, then I will call call for a Special General Meeting. Send me a PM with the details. Otherwise, sit down, shut up and grow up.

[Devil]

Who are you?

[Biggles08]

Biggles. There are two solutions available. Get off your puritanical arse and stand as President of AMCC, or join another club that does things the way you want them done. Don't bitch and moan and expect other people to fix things. Stand up and be a man, not a pathetic little weasel who attacks a person that has given up countless hours to organise race meetings for riders to race at. Don't blame AMCC for Pukekohe Circuit, the club works with the facility provided and has spent a shit load of money on crash bales to make the place as safe as they can. Note the "as safe as they can" bit.
If you feel that the AMCC administration is so far off line, and can provide evidence of this, then I will call call for a Special General Meeting. Send me a PM with the details. Otherwise, sit down, shut up and grow up.

You have a problem with comprehension Burtbadger....most of what you have said in this post does not even closely resemble anything that I am trying to explain/highlight or suggests things that have already been covered so I won't bother...its too hard explaining simple things to simple minds. Re-read my posts again and then your one...you will see what you have presumed I am saying is completely wrong.

[scuzeme]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burrt Badger View Post
Biggles. There are two solutions available. Get off your puritanical arse and stand as President of AMCC, or join another club that does things the way you want them done. Don't bitch and moan and expect other people to fix things. Stand up and be a man, not a pathetic little weasel who attacks a person that has given up countless hours to organise race meetings for riders to race at. Don't blame AMCC for Pukekohe Circuit, the club works with the facility provided and has spent a shit load of money on crash bales to make the place as safe as they can. Note the "as safe as they can" bit.
If you feel that the AMCC administration is so far off line, and can provide evidence of this, then I will call call for a Special General Meeting. Send me a PM with the details. Otherwise, sit down, shut up and grow up.


Puritanical:

–adjective
1. very strict in moral or religious matters, often excessively so; rigidly austere.
2. (sometimes initial capital letter) of, pertaining to, or characteristic of Puritans or Puritanism.

Pathetic:

–adjective
1. causing or evoking pity, sympathetic sadness, sorrow, etc.; pitiful; pitiable: a pathetic letter; a pathetic sight.
2. affecting or moving the feelings.
3. pertaining to or caused by the feelings.
4. miserably or contemptibly inadequate: In return for our investment we get a pathetic three percent interest.

And my personal favorite

Weasel

–noun
1. any small carnivore of the genus Marcus, of the family Marcus's last name, having a very very small penis, slender body and feeding chiefly on small rodents.
2. any of various similar animals of the family Mustelidae.
3. a cunning, sneaky person.
4. a tracked vehicle resembling a tractor, used in snow.
5. Slang. an informer; stool pigeon.

Very amusing stuff

[boomer]

Biggles. There are two solutions available. Get off your puritanical arse and stand as President of AMCC, or join another club that does things the way you want them done. Don't bitch and moan and expect other people to fix things. Stand up and be a man, not a pathetic little weasel who attacks a person that has given up countless hours to organise race meetings for riders to race at. Don't blame AMCC for Pukekohe Circuit, the club works with the facility provided and has spent a shit load of money on crash bales to make the place as safe as they can. Note the "as safe as they can" bit.
If you feel that the AMCC administration is so far off line, and can provide evidence of this, then I will call call for a Special General Meeting. Send me a PM with the details. Otherwise, sit down, shut up and grow up.

You're a feisty one aren't you?!

From what you're saying, you either manage the rules yourself i.e. become el presidente or shut up...?!

So i then gather that the members don;t have any say in teh matter?


You're not in the army now Burt, me old. :niceone:

[prettybillie]

Just a thought for you Marcus and you PB, i bet if Marcus did crash at Puke, PB you would be one of the first to offer him a ride to Hospital and help put his Bike on the trailer.
If one of us ever goes down on the track or on the road then a thread like this teaches all of us how really childish these arguments really are, dont you think.
:innocent:

It's all just for shits and giggles - we all know no-one takes anything in these forums seriously and if you do you'd probably be ready to jump off the harbour bridge with the amount of abuse and crap talked on here......:jerry:

And you're right - I'd scrape him off the track but of course go and make sure the bike is okay first - priorities :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Biggles08]

It's all just for shits and giggles - we all know no-one takes anything in these forums seriously and if you do you'd probably be ready to jump off the harbour bridge with the amount of abuse and crap talked on here......:jerry:

And you're right - I'd scrape him off the track but of course go and make sure the bike is okay first - priorities :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

I'm just on my way to the bridge now....

[prettybillie]

I'm just on my way to the bridge now....

Well I ain't scraping you off the bottom of the sea - I can't swim and don't care enough to try :bleh:

[dipshit]

"Another top racer used to finish work at 5pm, and then race into town and pump gas from 6pm till midnight, he did this 4 nights a week. Then through the winter he also worked the weekends. And the big thing about these two is they had big dollar sponsors, and had been doing it for a while and had made a name for themselves. These guys had competed in the nationals and not just some winter series."


I wonder how long ago he was talking about? In the early 90's the winter series wasn't that competitive. I even placed 8th in the SI winter series in open class one year... and that was without even competing any rounds at Ruapuna. I only raced at Levels and Teretonga. (even then missed one of those rounds)

[Biggles08]

I wonder how long ago he was talking about? In the early 90's the winter series wasn't that competitive. I even placed 8th in the SI winter series in open class one year... and that was without even competing any rounds at Ruapuna. I only raced at Levels and Teretonga. (even then missed one of those rounds)

That being the case or not dipshit, respect for other clubs and people should be a common courtesy..especially considering the current situation. Its a common english term used to belittle anything or anyone you are refering to...eg "He just works at macdonalds" rather than "He works at macdonalds."

Not very appropriate.