Traffic tickets triple in five years (NZ)

[bear]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3242078a10,00.html

Number of police tickets issued increased from 136,999 in 2000, to 395,913 in 2004. 189% increase.

The biggest increase was in tickets to drivers exceeding the speed limit by 11-15km where 161,916 tickets were issued in 2004, compared with 3785 in 2000. (Refer to link for full article)

[sAsLEX]

well i fell so much safer now knowing that all thoose vehicles are now lighter and carry less kinetic energy due to money now being taken out of them by all these tickets!!

Its good to see this ticketing regime has dropped the road toll so much as well,mmmm sh2........

[Lou Girardin]

AND IT'S NOT ABOUT REVENUE. OK.

[NC]

I guess they will have more high speed chaces on their hands, and deaths because of it.

[TwoSeven]

AND IT'S NOT ABOUT REVENUE. OK.

No but it does indicate how stupid some drivers are to keep getting them :)

[Lou Girardin]

No but it does indicate how stupid some drivers are to keep getting them :)

Well the stupidometer must be off scale if there's three times as many now. I blame the NCEA.
Anything that puts those 11km/h killers off the road is OK by me.
Funny thing though, the road toll hasn't dropped. :bs:

[scumdog]

No but it does indicate how stupid some drivers are to keep getting them :)

Last two tickets: 141kph AND 149kph, by jeeze they're really learning eh??
Effing wankers!!

[Lou Girardin]

Last two tickets: 141kph AND 149kph, by jeeze they're really learning eh??
Effing wankers!!

Seriously though, on some of your roads that would be a moderate cruising speed. Were they in any way dangerous?

[scumdog]

Seriously though, on some of your roads that would be a moderate cruising speed. Were they in any way dangerous?

BOTH had worn tyres, one would have been a hazard at 14kph let alone 149!!

[RiderInBlack]

BOTH had worn tyres, one would have been a hazard at 14kph let alone 149!!Hope you did them for their tyres then as that was the bigger risk to the public:msn-wink:

[scumdog]

Hope you did them for their tyres then as that was the bigger risk to the public:msn-wink:

2 X tickets for that too!!

[marmel]

It's interesting that the police generally take the flak for the traffic ticket situation when I think the policy itself is driven by the government. The police have a contract with the government which includes producing so many traffic hours. I wonder what the results would be if a poll was done of NZ Police and their thoughts on traffic policing in it's current state, I think it would lean towards the views of many on this board. But I guess at the end of the day the police on the streets do what they are told by their bosses, and their bosses do what they are told etc. Eventually it comes back to the commissioner and the minister of police and the contract. If we really want to change the situation we need to direct the comments in the right direction, which in my opinion is that little round building in central Wellington.

[scumdog]

It all comes down to $$$$ people, one fatal or serious injury crash prevented is many times the dollar value of a burglary or car theft prevented- or even an assault, that's the way the polies think folk - and YOU voted them in. :whistle:

[Ixion]

It all comes down to $$$$ people, one fatal or serious injury crash prevented is many times the dollar value of a burglary or car theft prevented- or even an assault, that's the way the polies think folk - and YOU voted them in. :whistle:

However - statistically the odds of a stolen car crashing are vastly greater than the norm. So preventing car theft would in itself reduce the road toll.

And although a fatal crash may be more $$$ than a burglary, is it more than a rape or murder. And we are repeatedly told by the police that rapists and murders almost always start out as burglars (used to justify their DNA database). And plenty of examples where a burglary has escalated to assault rape or even murder .

It's the broken windows thing. Send the message, as the police are at present (police in the abstract Commissioner sense, not you guys here) that burglary, theft, car conversion is OK, doesn't count, no-one cares; inevitable result, young at risk people will embark on a trail of such crimes. Having received the message loud and clear that the law is a joke, and that they can get away with helping themselves, doing what they want, without any real risk of repercussions, is it any wonder that they then move on to more serious crimes (like speeding PT)

[riffer]

...and YOU voted them in. :whistle:

No I didn't :(

I voted for the yogic flyers... :shifty:

[madboy]

It all comes down to $$$$ people, one fatal or serious injury crash prevented is many times the dollar value of a burglary or car theft prevented- or even an assault, that's the way the polies think folk - and YOU voted them in. :whistle:Surely you're on a pisstake asking for a bite there? What friggin difference will my vote make? Even if the rest of the country voted for the same party I did, will it make any difference? Hell no - no Govt in their right mind is gonna turn down such a stunning revenue gathering opportunity (more commonly referred to as "Road Policing Strategy"). National / Act / the whanau, what's the diff in that respect?

If they cut down on the road revenue, then they might have to spend more of the other roading taxes on the road, and oh shit, then they'd have to find some savings in areas not associated with cars. And can you imagine the outcry when thousands of lazy ass motherf*****s suddenly have to get off the benefit and into a job?? Oh f*** me no!

[Lou Girardin]

BOTH had worn tyres, one would have been a hazard at 14kph let alone 149!!

Well, why not speed dangerous. Put the tosser off the road for 6 months.

[Lou Girardin]

It's interesting that the police generally take the flak for the traffic ticket situation when I think the policy itself is driven by the government. The police have a contract with the government which includes producing so many traffic hours. I wonder what the results would be if a poll was done of NZ Police and their thoughts on traffic policing in it's current state, I think it would lean towards the views of many on this board. But I guess at the end of the day the police on the streets do what they are told by their bosses, and their bosses do what they are told etc. Eventually it comes back to the commissioner and the minister of police and the contract. If we really want to change the situation we need to direct the comments in the right direction, which in my opinion is that little round building in central Wellington.

The Police are supposed to be beyond political interference. At least that's what Georgie Hawkins says every time he's asked questions about their performance.

[scumdog]

Well, why not speed dangerous. Put the tosser off the road for 6 months.

Hell no, - "kill the goose that lays the golden egg"? no way, 'cos it may be a source of tickets for months to come!! :msn-wink: :shifty:

[idb]

No I didn't :(

I voted for the yogic flyers... :shifty:
Hey, I forgot about the yogic flyers!
Man, I wasted my vote there.........

[marmel]

The Police are supposed to be beyond political interference. At least that's what Georgie Hawkins says every time he's asked questions about their performance.

I think it's more like the police and government have a contract where the govt states this is what we want you to provide and your funding will be based on producing these results..... and then leave it up to the police to deliver. George Hawkins may say that he has no influence over police practices and procedures, which may be true for the day to day running of the outfit, but the very basis of police funding comes back to that contract so it has to have a huge influence on how police allocate resources.

If the police minister listened to joe public he could change the direction of policing by changing the contract but will that ever happen....not likely.

[JohnBoy]

the very basis of police funding comes back to that contract so it has to have a huge influence on how police allocate resources.


and thats what is so scary. how many more other crimes go unresolved/ punished because of this stratagy?? i thought the role of the police was to protect our communities, all they have proved to do is to scare the public about something as trivial is minor speeding.

[T.I.E]

i don't think penalities are hard and high enough. raise the ticket prices up. put recless drivers whom cause accidents/ death in prision, with a stiff penality.
and most of all educate people about driving etc.
driver education is shocking.
you should not pass a drivers liecence till you can ride a bike and drive a truck. then you might have some idea of the road.

[T.I.E]

and stop giving driver licences to every tom dick and harry from over seas. eg asians whom cause an accident and bugger off home to leave a mess behind.

[scumdog]

and stop giving driver licences to every tom dick and harry from over seas. eg asians whom cause an accident and bugger off home to leave a mess behind.

Easy on the Asians man, I get to see a lot of "licences" from all over the world and sometimes have to wonder "sure they have a licence but have they EVER driven a car before they got to New Zealand?" in a lot of cases probabaly not and even if they had what kind of driving was it?

Bumper to bumper on motorways or city streets I suspect. :confused:

[WINJA]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3242078a10,00.html

Number of police tickets issued increased from 136,999 in 2000, to 395,913 in 2004. 189% increase.

The biggest increase was in tickets to drivers exceeding the speed limit by 11-15km where 161,916 tickets were issued in 2004, compared with 3785 in 2000. (Refer to link for full article)
I DROVE THRU HAMILTRON TODAY AND THERE WAS A SIGN SAYING ROAD DEATHS WERE 3 TIMES HIGHER THAN THIS TIME LAST YEAR , ITS OBVIOUS THIS TICKETING STRATEGY IS NOT FUCKIN WORKING SO WHY CONTINUE, DOES A DOCTOR CONTINUE TO GIVE MEDICINE THAT IS NOT WORKING ? NO HE CHANGES WHAT HES DOING TO GET A RESULT ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT , FUCK THE PIGS ITS UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL OFFICER TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND STOP GIVING OUT POINTLESS TICKETS. FUCK THE PIGS I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THEM I WILL CONTINUE TO DO RUNNERS JUST LIKE MOST PEOPLE I KNOW DO

[Waylander]

DOES A DOCTOR CONTINUE TO GIVE MEDICINE THAT IS NOT WORKING ? NO HE CHANGES WHAT HES DOING TO GET A RESULT ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT ,
Well that depends on individual doctors. Sometimes they give you the most expensive thing that wont work on purpose just to get more money off ya. Also had a doc tell me I had broken my leg once when it was perfectly fine other than being sore from a fight I was in the day before. Never did trust doctors...

[RiderInBlack]

and stop giving driver licences to every tom dick and harry from over seas. eg asians whom cause an accident and bugger off home to leave a mess behind.Hey, how about we stop everyone from having a licience (seeing the average NZ driver are often considered pretty bad by a few other nations) and then noone will be able to drive and there will be no traffic accidents. Of course the Government and Police will have to get their funding from another sorce, like giving tickets for swearing (should be a lot of that because we would be all f*cked off with not being able get to work) :finger:

[scumdog]

I DROVE THRU HAMILTRON TODAY AND THERE WAS A SIGN SAYING ROAD DEATHS WERE 3 TIMES HIGHER THAN THIS TIME LAST YEAR , ITS OBVIOUS THIS TICKETING STRATEGY IS NOT FUCKIN WORKING SO WHY CONTINUE

Yeah, and I saw a sign saying "The End is Nigh" but the road kept on going and another one that said I could only go around the next corner at 85kph but I did it at 125kph ya just can't trust signs anymore eh!! :msn-wink:

[Waylander]

Yeah, and I saw a sign saying "The End is Nigh" but the road kept on going and another one that said I could only go around the next corner at 85kph but I did it at 125kph ya just can't trust signs anymore eh!! :msn-wink:
Bit like those signs they started using in dallas before I left. At an intersection they had signs saying that "X amount of tickets were issued at this intersection last month, don't be next." Well actually I shouldn't say that it's like those signes cause these worked. Red light tickets and accidents due to someone runnin the light did drop drastically. These were camera controlled intersections too so EVERYONE that ran the light got a ticket, even a few cops when thier lights wern't flashing.

[MrMelon]

Well that depends on individual doctors. Sometimes they give you the most expensive thing that wont work on purpose just to get more money off ya. Also had a doc tell me I had broken my leg once when it was perfectly fine other than being sore from a fight I was in the day before. Never did trust doctors...
Can't miss an opportunity to tell everyone how many fights you get in can you!?

Keep on keeping those streets safe for us!

[spudchucka]

THIS TICKETING STRATEGY IS NOT FUCKIN WORKING SO WHY CONTINUE,
Because there is always the chance that we might catch you.

[idb]

Yeah, and I saw a sign saying "The End is Nigh" but the road kept on going and another one that said I could only go around the next corner at 85kph but I did it at 125kph ya just can't trust signs anymore eh!! :msn-wink:
Maybe it was a typo and should have read "The Bend Is Nigh"...was it just before the 85k corner?

[Lou Girardin]

i don't think penalities are hard and high enough. raise the ticket prices up. put recless drivers whom cause accidents/ death in prision, with a stiff penality.
and most of all educate people about driving etc.
driver education is shocking.
you should not pass a drivers liecence till you can ride a bike and drive a truck. then you might have some idea of the road.

I don't like the sound of a "stiff penalty" while in prison. Bubba as a cellmate?

[Waylander]

Can't miss an opportunity to tell everyone how many fights you get in can you!?

Keep on keeping those streets safe for us!

Not a topic to mock me about...

[sAsLEX]

I DROVE THRU HAMILTRON TODAY AND THERE WAS A SIGN SAYING ROAD DEATHS WERE 3 TIMES HIGHER THAN THIS TIME LAST YEAR , ITS OBVIOUS THIS TICKETING STRATEGY IS NOT FUCKIN WORKING SO WHY CONTINUE, DOES A DOCTOR CONTINUE TO GIVE MEDICINE THAT IS NOT WORKING ?

one answer $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ its like the petrol tax that ends up going towards the DPB and everything else, just another tax they sneak in

[MrMelon]

Not a topic to mock me about...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/475000/images/_475660_meat150.jpg

[Waylander]

Not a threat Mr.merlon. Just don't mock me about it.

[WINJA]

Yeah, and I saw a sign saying "The End is Nigh" but the road kept on going and another one that said I could only go around the next corner at 85kph but I did it at 125kph ya just can't trust signs anymore eh!! :msn-wink:
THE SIGN WAS AT A PIG STATION IN HAMILTRON ON AVALON DRIVE

[WINJA]

Because there is always the chance that we might catch you.
GET A BIKE OR FUCK OFF TO ANOTHER SITE

[Zed]

GET A BIKE OR FUCK OFF TO ANOTHER SITEHey Winger, have you been to any KB rides or ridden with any other KBr's who could testify on here that you actually own a motorcycle? I mean "SUZUKI" in your profile could represent one of those horrid 800cc 2-door cages for all we know?

Cmon man, this "don't participate on KB unless you own a bike" garbage is wearing a bit thin don't you think. You sound like a severely broken record!

http://www.suzuki.cybercomm.nl/full_screen/Suzuki.JPEG

[WINJA]

Hey Winger, have you been to any KB rides or ridden with any other KBr's who could testify on here that you actually own a motorcycle? I mean "SUZUKI" in your profile could represent one of those horrid 800cc 2-door cages for all we know?

Cmon man, this "don't participate on KB unless you own a bike" garbage is wearing a bit thin don't you think. You sound like a severely broken record!

http://www.suzuki.cybercomm.nl/full_screen/Suzuki.JPEG
THAT CAR WOULD BE A STEP UP FROM THE BLACKBIRD, IS THAT YOUR NEW RIDE ZED. IM ON ONE OF MY SUZUKIS IN MY PROFILE PIC HAVE A LOOK AND LEARN SOMETHING. THIS SITE IS CALLED KIWIBIKER I DONT THINK A RELIGIOUS NUT OR A WASHED UP COP SHOULD BE HERE WITH NO BIKE.OTHER NORMAL PEOPLE WITH NO BIKE ARE OK BY ME .

[scumdog]

THE SIGN WAS AT A PIG STATION IN HAMILTRON ON AVALON DRIVE

How do you know that? You can't see Avalon Drive from the loony bin, hell you're so fool of shit, I mean c'monnn - HamilTRON?? that's where daleks live !!! :lol: :lol: :killingme

[WINJA]

How do you know that? You can't see Avalon Drive from the loony bin, hell you're so fool of shit, I mean c'monnn - HamilTRON?? that's where daleks live !!! :lol: :lol: :killingme
I CALL IT HAMILTRON CAUSE ITS THE CITY OF THE FUTURE.

[Waylander]

I CALL IT HAMILTRON CAUSE ITS THE CITY OF THE FUTURE.
You're shitting me right? What exactly is futuristic about this place? Other than it being nicer than Auckland...

[WINJA]

You're shitting me right? What exactly is futuristic about this place? Other than it being nicer than Auckland...
FIRSTLY ANYWHERE IS BETTER THAN AUCKLAND.
THE WAIKATO HOUSE PRICES ARE DOUBLING EVERY 4 TO 5 YEARS OPPOSED TO 8 TO 10 YEARS LIKE MOST OF NZ, THE CITY IS GROWING ITS A GOOD PLACE TO INVEST MANY COMPANIES ARE SHIFTING PRODUCTION AND HEAD OFFICES TO HAMILTON , CALL CENTRES ARE BEING SHIFTED OUT OF AUCK TO HAM.HAMILTON HAS GOOD BIKE SHOPS SOME WITH GOOD SERVICE.LOTS OF NICE ROADS AROUND HAM.HAMILTON WILL GROW FASTER THAN ANY OTHER CITY AS FAR AS I CAN SEE , THAT MAKES IT THE CITY OF THE FUTURE TO ME.

[Waylander]

FIRSTLY ANYWHERE IS BETTER THAN AUCKLAND.
THE WAIKATO HOUSE PRICES ARE DOUBLING EVERY 4 TO 5 YEARS OPPOSED TO 8 TO 10 YEARS LIKE MOST OF NZ, THE CITY IS GROWING ITS A GOOD PLACE TO INVEST MANY COMPANIES ARE SHIFTING PRODUCTION AND HEAD OFFICES TO HAMILTON , CALL CENTRES ARE BEING SHIFTED OUT OF AUCK TO HAM.HAMILTON HAS GOOD BIKE SHOPS SOME WITH GOOD SERVICE.LOTS OF NICE ROADS AROUND HAM.HAMILTON WILL GROW FASTER THAN ANY OTHER CITY AS FAR AS I CAN SEE , THAT MAKES IT THE CITY OF THE FUTURE TO ME.
Woah, never thought I would actually know a fan of this place. Maybe I'm just a bit spoiled by Dallas/Ft. Worth but it just doesn't seem that interesting. But if you say it's cool I'll give it a second chance lol.

[spudchucka]

GET A BIKE OR FUCK OFF TO ANOTHER SITE
Thanks but I think I'll stay to annoy you some more.

[scumdog]

FIRSTLY ANYWHERE IS BETTER THAN AUCKLAND.
THE WAIKATO HOUSE PRICES ARE DOUBLING EVERY 4 TO 5 YEARS OPPOSED TO 8 TO 10 YEARS LIKE MOST OF NZ, THE CITY IS GROWING ITS A GOOD PLACE TO INVEST MANY COMPANIES ARE SHIFTING PRODUCTION AND HEAD OFFICES TO HAMILTON , CALL CENTRES ARE BEING SHIFTED OUT OF AUCK TO HAM.HAMILTON HAS GOOD BIKE SHOPS SOME WITH GOOD SERVICE.LOTS OF NICE ROADS AROUND HAM.HAMILTON WILL GROW FASTER THAN ANY OTHER CITY AS FAR AS I CAN SEE , THAT MAKES IT THE CITY OF THE FUTURE TO ME.

Yeah but YOU are there!!!
(luckily for a lot of us on this site)