George Orwell would cry in his beer

[SixPackBack]

Coppers to become Judge, Jury and executioner..........Once they learn to tie their shoelaces we should be good to go:argue:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10596092

Police officers would become prosecutor and judge, dispensing on-the-spot punishments for minor crimes under plans to turn patrol cars into "mobile stations".
The proposal - an attempt to reduce costs and manpower, save time and free up police stations and courts - is one recommendation to be presented to Government in the police Fit for the Future project.

Mastercard or Visa?...........'Course they won't have any trouble implementing said changes. But they will all need to be armed.:Pokey:
Cunts.

[YellowDog]

Oh dear.

I am sure there are a lot of good cops around who are able to make logical and unbiased decsions.

But there are also a lot of self opinionated egotistical retards in the job looking to carve their mark.

Not such a good idea.

[Clockwork]

This is scarey, this idea comes from the Police! Where do they get off even suggesting this sort of thing? Are we to become a Police state?

"Police had been considering the ideas for a few years but the recession had "accelerated the thinking" and the Government had this year asked for a report on future policing and ways money used on current projects could be reinvested.

"What the Government is asking for, quite rightly, is it getting value for money in police services - are we providing the public with what they expect," Mr Pope said. - Mr Pope? aka the detective that got the Scott Watson conviction, he must have found that whole trial process so troublesome.

Police were still working on how the proposals could be implemented.

It was not known how long it would take to complete the report, but police were treating the matter with urgency."

[Swoop]

Hopefully they will have eftpos in the patrol car...

[boomer]

Coppers to become Judge, Jury and executioner..........Once they learn to tie their shoelaces we should be good to go:argue:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10596092

Police officers would become prosecutor and judge, dispensing on-the-spot punishments for minor crimes under plans to turn patrol cars into "mobile stations".
The proposal - an attempt to reduce costs and manpower, save time and free up police stations and courts - is one recommendation to be presented to Government in the police Fit for the Future project.

Mastercard or Visa?...........'Course they won't have any trouble implementing said changes. But they will all need to be armed.:Pokey:
Cunts.


you'll be fooked ..

"Mr Pope said police were still working out what type of offending this would cover, but it would probably be crimes prosecuted under the Summary Offences Act, which included disorderly behaviour, vandalism, tagging and indecent exposure."


that'll be $5.95 please Mr Sixpack.. cash or cheque...? !

[PrincessBandit]

Interesting that they say "minor" offences are what they'd be dealing with. To me that does smack of being able to up the ante on what they decide to sting you for, whereas they might have been more inclined to let off with warning rather than go through the hassle of "the system".

Mr Gotlieb though completely rubs me up the wrong way, just as Mare Drhysdale (or however you spell her name) every time she opens her mouth.

They did say it was only up for consideration though didn't they? Fingers crossed.....

Just as well for me it's in my nature to be a good girl :msn-wink:, but still, if it does become legal maybe others might change their ways on the road and in public for the better. (She said optimistically).

[SS90]

Here is a list of what the act (summary offences act 1981)

Contents
Title
1 Short Title and commencement
2 Interpretation
Offences Against Public Order
3 Disorderly behaviour
4 Offensive behaviour or language
5 Disorderly behaviour on private premises
5A Disorderly assembly
6 Associating with convicted thieves
6A Associating with violent offenders
6B Associating with serious drug offenders
6C Proof of habitual association
7 Fighting in public place
8 Publishing document or thing explaining manufacture of explosives, etc
Offences Against Persons or Property
9 Common assault
10 Assault on Police, prison, or traffic officer
10A Ill-treatment or wilful neglect of child
10B Leaving child without reasonable supervision and care
11 Wilful damage
11A Graffiti vandalism, tagging, defacing, etc
11B Possession of graffiti implements
12 Acts endangering safety
13 Things endangering safety
13A Possession of knives
14 Possession of burglary tools
Spraycans
14A Sale of spraycans to people under 18 prohibited
14B Access to spraycans in shops to be restricted
Offences Resembling Forgery or Fraud
15 Seeking donations by false pretence
16 Acting as medium with intent to deceive
17 Publishing false notice of birth, marriage, civil union, or death
18 Imitation of Court documents
19 Imitation of official documents
20 False claim of qualifications
Official Information
20A Unauthorised disclosure of certain official information
Intimidation, Obstruction, and Hindering Police
21 Intimidation
22 Obstructing public way
23 Resisting Police, prison, or traffic officer
24 False allegation or report to Police
25 Advertising reward for stolen property
Indecency
26 Soliciting [Repealed]
27 Indecent exposure
Loitering and Trespass
28 Being found in public place preparing to commit crime
29 Being found on property, etc, without reasonable excuse
30 Peeping or peering into dwellinghouse
31 Trespass on a ship
Offences Resembling Nuisance
32 Excreting in public place
33 Billsticking
34 Throwing stones
35 Setting off or throwing fireworks
36 Lighting fires
37 Disturbing meetings
38 Drinking in public place
Infringement Offences
38A Infringement offences
38B Commission of infringement offence
38C Infringement notices
38D Payment of infringement fees
38E Regulations
Search, Arrest, and Jurisdiction
39 Arrest
40 Jurisdiction
41 Information alleging imitation of Court documents
42 Information alleging false claim of qualifications
43 No jury trial for offence of assault
44 Defendant may be convicted of lesser charge of disorderly behaviour
45 Seizure and forfeiture
45A Attachment order default
Amendments and Repeals
46 Military Decorations and Distinctive Badges Act 1918 amended
4A Offences in respect of military decorations
47 Machinery Act 1950 amended [Repealed]
48 New sections inserted in Crimes Act 1961
202A Possession of offensive weapons or disabling substances
202B Powers in respect of crime against section 202A
227A Power of search for goods stolen or unlawfully obtained in transit
49 Alcoholism and Drug Addiction Act 1966 amended
37A Persons found intoxicated in public place
50
51 Amendments and repeals
Schedule 1
Enactments Consequentially Amended
[Repealed]
Schedule 2
Enactments Consequentially Repealed
Schedule 3
Crimes Involving Violence
Schedule 4
Serious Drug Offences
Reprint notes
An Act to reform and restate the law relating to summary offences, and to replace the Police Offences Act 1927 and its amendments
BE IT ENACTED by the General Assembly of New Zealand in Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:

Now, it doesn't take a genius to realise that there is NO WAY that the Government can (or will) give such powers to the Police, even in some far stretched imaginary reality, if such a thing became reality, there would need to be a special Police squad assembled JUST FOR THAT PURPOSE, it's just not logical that this would happen.

I interpret the news item as an inflamitory article, designed to get the publics attention reminding us that Police resources are already stretched, and because of budget cutbacks, New Zealand is simply not going to get the police increase it needs.

What better way to stir up the taxpayer with a few comments suggesting that the Police are going to ask for powers like the article suggests?

It triggers reactions in people who would normally bury their head in the sand, because, (most) people are law abiding, and (in general) not often effected by crime, other than perhaps getting burgled, most Kiwi's only see real crime on T.V.

When a Senior Police officer makes a statement as he did, it reminds us ALL that crime is big problem in New Zealand (in case we forgot) and hey, now it's going to effect US ALL ( imagine, never being in trouble with the Law, and, sadly, get in a situation in town where, to protect yourself/kids/wife/friend/Mother you have no option but to get involved in a scuffle with an aggressive drunken lout.

From what is being suggested, (in the somewhat vague article) if you where unfortunate enough to get a promotion seeking Cop, thirsty for convictions, as such a thing is covered under the summary offences act you could well find yourself with a problem.

I am quite certain public watchdogs would never let that happen.

I think the article is deliberately vague (a nice way of saying "omitting facts") so as to incite us all into pressuring the government into increasing Police budgets again.

I don't think all the facts have been presented to us in this article, and to be honest, it wouldn't take Nigel Hampton Q.C to succesfully block such legislation if they tried to implement it.

I have more chance of getting Paul Holmes to change the gearbox oil on my Vespa than the Police have of getting anything like this implemented.

[short-circuit]

Coppers to become Judge, Jury and executioner..........Once they learn to tie their shoelaces we should be good to go:argue:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10596092

Police officers would become prosecutor and judge, dispensing on-the-spot punishments for minor crimes under plans to turn patrol cars into "mobile stations".
The proposal - an attempt to reduce costs and manpower, save time and free up police stations and courts - is one recommendation to be presented to Government in the police Fit for the Future project.

Mastercard or Visa?...........'Course they won't have any trouble implementing said changes. But they will all need to be armed.:Pokey:
Cunts.


Who cares what Orwell would think - he was confused (in fear of the left).

Totalitarianism is the domain of the right. National - New Zealand's answer to Nanny State :weird: :clap:

[Littleman]

Typical retarded media release.

The article stops short of outright lying in that it doesn’t actually say Police would determine guilt. It could certainly be interpreted in such a way however.

My understanding is that it will allow offenders to admit guilt, where an instant fine will be handed out. No court appearance required. However if they deny their actions the normal(read horrendously inept) court system will apply. Police probably will determine penalty, not make an actual decision on guilt. The precious judiciary couldn't handle that.

[ManDownUnder]

If that came to pass I'd be bloody surprised and smell the press beating up something they know will sell papers.

[SS90]

Completely rubbish newspaper article aside,

I can't help but think about what is REALLY being suggested here.

I am guessing that offenses under the act in question are pretty "low end" (in the big scheme of things.

I wonder if, when such offenses get brought to a Judge, if, a large percentage simply plead "Guilty".....and, as the offense is pretty minor, they (perhaps) only receive a small fine.

IF that is the case, I can see how (some well intentioned, but delusional) people will think that it is prudent to simply circumnavigate the court system, and get them to plead guilty "on the spot", (because most do eventually anyway) and hand them an instant fine.......

But, of course that is ridiculous, the only reason people plead guilty in front of a Judge is because it is an incredibly intimidating experience......... REDUCE the seriousness of the experience, (turning a Policeman into fines department) and the chances of getting your average petty criminal to plead "guilty" in such situations would diminish somewhat.....

I expect the whole concept will be dead and gone before too long.

[Big Dave]

'Judge Judy and Executioner.' - Simpson, H.

[The Pastor]

awesome! im all for giving the cops more power! woohoo! Next we gotta let them make the laws becuase they are the ones who know crime the best!

[NinjaNanna]

Here is a list of what the act (summary offences act 1981)

Contents
Title
1 Short Title and commencement
2 Interpretation
Offences Against Public Order
3 Disorderly behaviour
4 Offensive behaviour or language
5 Disorderly behaviour on private premises
5A Disorderly assembly
6 Associating with convicted thieves
6A Associating with violent offenders
6B Associating with serious drug offenders
6C Proof of habitual association
7 Fighting in public place
8 Publishing document or thing explaining manufacture of explosives, etc
Offences Against Persons or Property
9 Common assault
10 Assault on Police, prison, or traffic officer
10A Ill-treatment or wilful neglect of child
10B Leaving child without reasonable supervision and care
11 Wilful damage
11A Graffiti vandalism, tagging, defacing, etc
11B Possession of graffiti implements
12 Acts endangering safety
13 Things endangering safety
13A Possession of knives
14 Possession of burglary tools
Spraycans
14A Sale of spraycans to people under 18 prohibited
14B Access to spraycans in shops to be restricted
Offences Resembling Forgery or Fraud
15 Seeking donations by false pretence
16 Acting as medium with intent to deceive
17 Publishing false notice of birth, marriage, civil union, or death
18 Imitation of Court documents
19 Imitation of official documents
20 False claim of qualifications
Official Information
20A Unauthorised disclosure of certain official information
Intimidation, Obstruction, and Hindering Police
21 Intimidation
22 Obstructing public way
23 Resisting Police, prison, or traffic officer
24 False allegation or report to Police
25 Advertising reward for stolen property
Indecency
26 Soliciting [Repealed]
27 Indecent exposure
Loitering and Trespass
28 Being found in public place preparing to commit crime
29 Being found on property, etc, without reasonable excuse
30 Peeping or peering into dwellinghouse
31 Trespass on a ship
Offences Resembling Nuisance
32 Excreting in public place
33 Billsticking
34 Throwing stones
35 Setting off or throwing fireworks
36 Lighting fires
37 Disturbing meetings
38 Drinking in public place


Alright now - read the list again. There's not a single offence in there that I wouldn't trust the police to handle appropriately.

Personally I'd welcome them being given the power to deal directly to these offences using a combination of on the spot fines and perhaps even handing out community service citations, therefore unclogging the court system.

I would much rather see policing focus on the above offenses, which have a far more incideous affect on society than fervently policing the roads as happens now.

[slofox]

Orwell would not cry into his beer - he'd say "I TOLD YA SO!!!!!"

[Skyryder]

Alright now - read the list again. There's not a single offence in there that I wouldn't trust the police to handle appropriately.

Personally I'd welcome them being given the power to deal directly to these offences using a combination of on the spot fines and perhaps even handing out community service citations, therefore unclogging the court system.

I would much rather see policing focus on the above offenses, which have a far more incideous affect on society than fervently policing the roads as happens now.

Ya gotta be kidding me.

This is what happens when the Police are allowed to confiscate licenses from the side of the road.....................and we all say it won't happen to me and no one complains. Now they want to up the powers.


Pope............ the number two officer in the land. Yea ya can trust this officer. Now where is the Tui's

Skyryder

[Fatt Max]

Blimey, what a worry

Mind you, the police are already doing this around my neck of the woods. For example, Mrs Max has been somewhat concerned regarding the standard of ‘Nocturnal Activities’ experienced over the last few months.

Cosmopolitan Magazine does have a few suggestions, all of which totally unhygienic so, in a bid to resolve the situation, an appointment was made with the local Citizens Advice office. They were about as much help as a Dwarf Prostitute (who you have to pay $20 to go up on you) so, in a final act of desperation, the local police were called in.

….and they attended to the problem straight away. As you can see from the picture, the local police chief attended Casa Max while I was out at my Pie Appreciation Society AGM and carried out a ‘Full Service’. The picture shows Officer Plod (without his helmet) in the process of jumping out of my bedroom window, torch in hand….or is it a torch…

So good on the Police for taking matters into their own hands…

To finish, here is my favourite Harlem Prostitute joke:

One hooker says to the other:

“Hey sugar, have you ever been picked up by the fuzz?”

“No I aint”, replies the other “But I sure as hell been swung around by the titties..!”

[Chrislost]

Just as well for me it's in my nature to be a good girl :msn-wink:, but still, if it does become legal maybe others might change their ways on the road and in public for the better. (She said optimistically).

fucked if i would stop and talk to a police officer, knowing that if he didnt like what i had to say or what i looked like i could suddenly be arrested, charged and found guilty for somthing...

I can just imagine ginger pig pulling somone over fining them then not liking their attitude and deciding to process for disorderly behavior.

[vifferman]

Mebbe it'll be a return to The Good Ole Days, where police dealt with many offences on the spot by dispensing a kick in the pants, clip around the ear, or a Stern Talking To. I'm sure for many (i.e., skylarking youfs) it was deterrent enough, without having to escalate it and Go International.

[hospitalfood]

Alright now - read the list again. There's not a single offence in there that I wouldn't trust the police to handle appropriately.

Personally I'd welcome them being given the power to deal directly to these offences using a combination of on the spot fines and perhaps even handing out community service citations, therefore unclogging the court system.

I would much rather see policing focus on the above offenses, which have a far more incideous affect on society than fervently policing the roads as happens now.

I see your point but fear that #37 could be used to stop a valid opinion being expressed, as it comes down to the police officers interpretation of behavior rather than the courts. the police are not really trained to be flexible in there thinking, in fact quite the reverse.
So.....if they think your guilty, your guilty. And "they" might be a young lad fresh out of a very right wing upbringing with little experience of the wider world

[NinjaNanna]

#37 - Disturbing Meetings

Do we have the right to protest in this country?

Disturbing meetings is not likely to be relevant to peaceful protest - I should think that it's intent is somewhat different.

[hospitalfood]

#37 - Disturbing Meetings

Do we have the right to protest in this country?

Disturbing meetings is not likely to be relevant to peaceful protest - I should think that it's intent is somewhat different.

well, its the cops call. not ours or the courts.

[PrincessBandit]

fucked if i would stop and talk to a police officer, knowing that if he didnt like what i had to say or what i looked like i could suddenly be arrested, charged and found guilty for somthing...

I can just imagine ginger pig pulling somone over fining them then not liking their attitude and deciding to process for disorderly behavior.

I guess the plan would be then to avoid drawing attention so that they pull you over. But that's too difficult for some to understand obviously.

[peasea]

... there are also a lot of self opinionated egotistical retards in the job looking to carve their mark.

Oh yes there are, oh fuckin' YES! I'd say it's likely more than one will indulge in the old power trip scenario, they're bad enough as they are.

[Patrick]

The sky is falling.... the sky is falling...

Next thing you know the snakes will issue infringement offence notices on the spot...

Oh....

Hang on....

Carry on.... as you were..... :sleep::sleep::sleep:

[peasea]

... the police are not really trained to be flexible in there thinking, in fact quite the reverse.
So.....if they think your guilty, your guilty. And "they" might be a young lad fresh out of a very right wing upbringing with little experience of the wider world

Are they trained to think at all?

Seriously though folks...............

You're quite right; the attitude the police TEND to have is; "I'm right, you're wrong and I have the power to lock you up while I think up a charge then prove your guilt using YOUR money."

I have a nephew who got a ride to the bottle store, bought a box of beer, the same mate drove him back to where they were staying. On the way he opened a stubbie, which he didn't finish before they got back. He gets out of the car, heads for the gate and whammo! "Booze ban and you're busted."

My nephew got a conviction for that, which I firmly believe wasn't justified. Strong-arm, bully-boy attitude from the pig (not a cop, a pig) when all it required was "get behind the fence immediately" etc. But no, let's be the big man and bust a fresh-face teen while taking his piss and ruining his night.

Positive policing my patent leather arse.

[peasea]

I guess the plan would be then to avoid drawing attention so that they pull you over. But that's too difficult for some to understand obviously.

I'm no good at drawing.........

[PrincessBandit]

I'm no good at drawing.........

Well I suggest you brush up on it - sign language probably is not going to be a good alternative to use to the police :msn-wink:

[peasea]

Well I suggest you brush up on it - sign language probably is not going to be a good alternative to use to the police :msn-wink:

You're so right, tried that, it was bloody funny actually....some cops just have NO sense of humour. (Eg; post #25)

[Chrislost]

I guess the plan would be then to avoid drawing attention so that they pull you over. But that's too difficult for some to understand obviously.


Some people manage to get their attention without trying, and im one of them.
I do not want to be fucking processed on the side of the road, cos some police officer does not like my look.

[Patrick]

You're so right, tried that, it was bloody funny actually....some cops just have NO sense of humour. (Eg; post #25)

Hey... I found something funny.... all that green you gave me in the past.... and included this one...

Originally Posted by peasea View Post
I get the distinct impression that you're an overbearing cunt at times, taking advantage of your size, weight and uniform. But not always. There does seem to be some sensibility and fairness in your posts....

Awwwww... he does love me.... :clap::love::woohoo:

As for no sense of humour... who took the bait with the vexatious litigant joke................................. and is still running.... woohoo..........