1982 Suzuki GS 650

[Disco Dan]

Sold. :girlfight::girlfight::girlfight:

[The Pastor]

wof / reg / photos?

[Disco Dan]

wof / reg / photos?

Yes / Yes / see my signature for link.

[Morcs]

arrrr its skidmarks katana!

[FROSTY]

shit--COMPUTER SCREEN CRACKED

[The Pastor]

yes / yes / see my signature for link.

no trademe at work


arrrr its skidmarks katana!
lol, someone bought it?

[Disco Dan]

shit--COMPUTER SCREEN CRACKED

Paint is cheap enough if you dont like it. :scooter:

[FROSTY]

sorry bro. -so much I'd like to say ---holding back

[Mully]

I thought Skiddy swapped his for that deregd 250 Ninja he just swapped for the cage?

Or am I confused again??

[FROSTY]

Have you put a proppr front end into it yet?

[The Pastor]

sorry bro. -so much I'd like to say ---holding back
nah go on, its only fair

[Disco Dan]

If you mean the forks - they need new seals. ( I think you can use dolphins if you cant find a seal)

[Disco Dan]

Ad updated. Auction just started on trademe - reduced reserve to sell...

[FROSTY]

swap for a box of tou. --The Yea right beer

[FROSTY]

I'm really sorry Dan. I like you as a person but I just can't stand by any longer on this one.
That bike is fucken dangerous. Do you want it on your concience if someone kills themselves on it?
Unless you desperately need the money pull the auction and bring the whole thing to me. If not at least be clear the effect of going from a 19 inch high profile wheel to a 17 inch low profile coupled to forks 70mm shorter will and does do.
Also be honest regarding the manner in which the triple clamps were made to fit the bike.
Quite honestly dude if the bike got a VTNZ wof as is then I'd like to have a serious talk with the WOF inspector.
Again Dan I'm sorry dude but I genuinely feel someones likely to end up dead without some serious work on that front end.

[Disco Dan]

I'm really sorry Dan. I like you as a person but I just can't stand by any longer on this one.
That bike is fucken dangerous. Do you want it on your concience if someone kills themselves on it?
Unless you desperately need the money pull the auction and bring the whole thing to me. If not at least be clear the effect of going from a 19 inch high profile wheel to a 17 inch low profile coupled to forks 70mm shorter will and does do.
Also be honest regarding the manner in which the triple clamps were made to fit the bike.
Quite honestly dude if the bike got a VTNZ wof as is then I'd like to have a serious talk with the WOF inspector.
Again Dan I'm sorry dude but I genuinely feel someones likely to end up dead without some serious work on that front end.

Thanks for that - really appreciate it. :buggerd:

Anyone that shows an interest has and will been told the complete history of the bike - I'm not hiding anything.

You have not actually seen the bike have you? I would appreciate it if you kept potentially damaging comments that will scare off buyers to yourself. If you wish to see it - I will quite happily bring it round to you, but I doubt you will buy it from the sounds of it so why should I bother??

[skidMark]

I'm really sorry Dan. I like you as a person but I just can't stand by any longer on this one.
That bike is fucken dangerous. Do you want it on your concience if someone kills themselves on it?
Unless you desperately need the money pull the auction and bring the whole thing to me. If not at least be clear the effect of going from a 19 inch high profile wheel to a 17 inch low profile coupled to forks 70mm shorter will and does do.
Also be honest regarding the manner in which the triple clamps were made to fit the bike.
Quite honestly dude if the bike got a VTNZ wof as is then I'd like to have a serious talk with the WOF inspector.
Again Dan I'm sorry dude but I genuinely feel someones likely to end up dead without some serious work on that front end.


17 inch front wheel... forks in are longer than factory to compensate for this...

front tyre is not low profile... they are brand new bias tyres and i was told to replace as a set so i did as they did not want me running a radial on the front,

the rear tyre is a lower profile than standard to keep a good weight distribution the 17 inch front wheel obviouslymakes the whole bike alot better you would know being a former racer frosty that optimum wheel diameter is 17 inch... this bike is as flickable as a 250... and can go around a 55 at 140 without even a hint of the tyres cutting loose...

you be the judge...

no expense was spared in myself building this bike. and due to my license hanging by a thread.

this bike cost $4,000 of actual parts... including the initial bike itself. and thats quoting what i paid for actua price, nt i got it at mates rates retail wuld be this, you Tony Frost of millers car centre...

Are more questionable?

you sold me a dead bike with a "repacement motor that was fine and you had heard running"

but we have been over that enough, to be honest i woulld cal youa shark, but i will specify...

sand shark

because you are a bottom feeder...

i think your head just went right up your rectum.

Genuinely interested persons in this bike are welcome to contact me via PM, for any queries they dan knowsall the details of her anyway but if people want to know really nitty gritty garble then ask... aka...ask dan first if he desn't knw he will point you to my PM...

Dearest regards: Skid

ps. :buggerd:

[Disco Dan]

*sigh* the KB :girlfight:
:zzzz:

[FROSTY]

Ok Mark.
You have fitted an USD front end to a motorcycle not factory fitted with one.
Lets for a moment assume all the engineering was done up to the standards required by law.
We will assume that the wheelbase has not been altered from factory
BY LAW- If you replace front forks,front wheel,and /or front brakes the motorcycle requires a low volume inspection to be carried out.
The inspection costs $350
But they you will know this with your years of experience in the industry
If its helpfull I can quote the specific LTSA requirements for you.

[FROSTY]

Now as I said DAN. I'm happy to help you sort out this bike and get it legal/safe.
Free of charge.
Think this through for a moment dude. How often do I get upset about something? I don't do things to fuck up peoples lives

[Morcs]

would appreciate it if you kept potentially damaging comments that will scare off buyers to yourself.

Surely the fact that it was Marks bike would be the main reason putting people off it?:whistle:

[SVboy]

The trademe auction appears to have stopped. A blow for common sense. {Comment not aimed at you Disco}

[skidMark]

Ok Mark.
You have fitted an USD front end to a motorcycle not factory fitted with one.
Lets for a moment assume all the engineering was done up to the standards required by law.
We will assume that the wheelbase has not been altered from factory
BY LAW- If you replace front forks,front wheel,and /or front brakes the motorcycle requires a low volume inspection to be carried out.
The inspection costs $350
But they you will know this with your years of experience in the industry
If its helpfull I can quote the specific LTSA requirements for you.

Funny, i rang 2 certifiers...

LTSA...

and 2 VTNZ stores...

AND 3 bike shops...

and they all said a certification was not required, when yu change suspensin in a car do you have to certify it... no... unless the ride height is adjustable...

so stop your holier than thou opinion for once or i will come to your car yard for a chat. fully friendly of course il even bring the biggest wine bottle i can find.

you dn't know everything tony, you may think you do, yu think since you run a car yard you know everything there is to know... you do not, your opinin is not always right... and to be honest never wanted some of us have better places to put our nose...




The trademe auction appears to have stopped. A blow for common sense. {Comment not aimed at you Disco}


It's pulled because i bought it. :2thumbsup

[FROSTY]

Ok Mark I tell you what.
MONEY WHERE MOUTH IS TIME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Choose ANY motorcycle low volume certifyer anywhere in NEW ZEALAND. -You will get a list from the LTSA
YOU choose.so I'm not influencing the situation in any way.
Arrange a time to take the bike to them or for them to meet at Dans House and contact me.
I will meet you there.
NOW HERES THE KICKER
IF the certifyer is happy to sighn his name to that bike stating it does NOT require any form of low volume certification for the forks,front wheel or brakes. I WILL PAY IN FULL FOR THE INSPECTION.
If it does require certification YOU pay
Of course the blown fork seals will not be used to avoid paying.
I can phone 15 bike shops and every ltsa testing station in New Zealand to describe a bike I've built. If I phrase it correctly they'll say Yea that should be fine.--that means squat without it sighned off
Certifyers dont deal in half truths,they simply sighn their name that something does or doesn't require a cert.
In a nutshell Mark I'm calling you on this one.

[FROSTY]

Seeing as you are happy to hurl stones. Would you like to explain how you sold the bike to some poor sucker then a couple of months later offer to buy it back at well less than half what he paid you for it??

[skidMark]

Seeing as you are happy to hurl stones. Would you like to explain how you sold the bike to some poor sucker then a couple of months later offer to buy it back at well less than half what he paid you for it??


If the price i pay is the price the seller is asking what is the problem?

i think we need to have that chat.

[skidMark]

Ok Mark I tell you what.
MONEY WHERE MOUTH IS TIME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Choose ANY motorcycle low volume certifyer anywhere in NEW ZEALAND. -You will get a list from the LTSA
YOU choose.so I'm not influencing the situation in any way.
Arrange a time to take the bike to them or for them to meet at Dans House and contact me.
I will meet you there.
NOW HERES THE KICKER
IF the certifyer is happy to sighn his name to that bike stating it does NOT require any form of low volume certification for the forks,front wheel or brakes. I WILL PAY IN FULL FOR THE INSPECTION.
If it does require certification YOU pay
Of course the blown fork seals will not be used to avoid paying.
I can phone 15 bike shops and every ltsa testing station in New Zealand to describe a bike I've built. If I phrase it correctly they'll say Yea that should be fine.--that means squat without it sighned off
Certifyers dont deal in half truths,they simply sighn their name that something does or doesn't require a cert.
In a nutshell Mark I'm calling you on this one.

thats nice dear...

i dn't give in to pressure from some brain damaged plonker. nor can you tell me what to do.

good day to you sir

i like the use of caps by the way, much impact especially with the exclamation marks.

water off a ducks back...

i don't let people wind me up or get to me for more than 5 minutes...

sorry

credit goes to subike for teaching me that one...


Condolences for your fail: Mark

[FROSTY]

Tell you what then Mark I will raise the stakes for you. This is so its a total Win/win situation for you.
Heres the deal I'm offering.
You contact the LTSA on 0800108809--its a free call
They will put you on to the LVVTA. They will give you the names of local inspectors.
THEN Take it to the inspector or perhaps as you have suggested you come here with it
Now heres the deal of the century for you
IF the Low vol inspector says Hey theres no issue -the bikes totally fine with the RGV250 USD front end RGV brakes and RGV front wheel and does not require a low vol certification Then I will pay Dan in full for the bike for you and pay the inspector.
You get the bike FOR FREE and I eat humble pie because I was wrong.

This is a total you can't loose situation for you Mark. You know Im wrong so can lord that over me and enjoy proving Frosty wrong . You get a piece of paper so when you go for a wof its confirmation the bikes legal That will make selling it again easy too .Best of all you don't have to pay for the bike.
But of course theres a flip side--If it does need to be certified then you have to get the work done so it complies and pay for the low vol cert.
You simply cannot loose.
Control is firmly in your hands so I cannot skew the results for you by biaseing anyone.
Heres over $1000 I'm offering you to prove me wrong.

[Mully]

Umm, Frosty.....

[SVboy]

It's pulled because i bought it. :2thumbsup[/QUOTE]

I know you bought it:2thumbsup A piece of shit on a piece of shit. You two go together perfectly.

Frosty-EVERYBODY bar one on KB is aware of your knowledge, generosity and good intent. Better to let this one go and not stress yourself. If he hurts himself....oh well and if he gets invited to compete in MOTOGP on the basis of this machines innovation and engineering excellence, then I guess we were wrong!!!

[skidMark]

Tell you what then Mark I will raise the stakes for you. This is so its a total Win/win situation for you.
Heres the deal I'm offering.
You contact the LTSA on 0800108809--its a free call
They will put you on to the LVVTA. They will give you the names of local inspectors.
THEN Take it to the inspector or perhaps as you have suggested you come here with it
Now heres the deal of the century for you
IF the Low vol inspector says Hey theres no issue -the bikes totally fine with the RGV250 USD front end RGV brakes and RGV front wheel and does not require a low vol certification Then I will pay Dan in full for the bike for you and pay the inspector.
You get the bike FOR FREE and I eat humble pie because I was wrong.

This is a total you can't loose situation for you Mark. You know Im wrong so can lord that over me and enjoy proving Frosty wrong . You get a piece of paper so when you go for a wof its confirmation the bikes legal That will make selling it again easy too .Best of all you don't have to pay for the bike.
But of course theres a flip side--If it does need to be certified then you have to get the work done so it complies and pay for the low vol cert.
You simply cannot loose.
Control is firmly in your hands so I cannot skew the results for you by biaseing anyone.
Heres over $1000 I'm offering you to prove me wrong.


Why would i bother?

i have nothing to prove, this isn't a contest of whose right, i really couldn't give a shit...

ill pop by ya car yard later... mate

and it's not over $1000 because i paid less than that for it buddy....

and i have enough money that i don't need your piddly grand...

[FROSTY]

Hypothetical situation.A"qualified bike mechanic" cuts,welds and bolts together a motorcycle then sells it on to another biker. He is warned by a actual mechanic in wrighting that the machine he has built is dangerous.
The new owner has an accident directly attibuted to his "engineering" skills and ends up dead.
How long do you folks think the jail term will be. Would he be up for manslaughter or murder??

[Ixion]

You got too many hims and hises.

But in response to your question.
IANAL. But, def not murder. Not possible, no malice prepense.

Manslaughter,very unlikely . Assuming from your quotes that the vendor is not actually a qualified engineer or mechanic, then he owes no greater duty of care or professional expertise than any member of the public.

Assuming that the modifier acted in good faith, and did not lie about the bike, then it is a matter of caveat emptor. "I have fitted blah and blah. Some folk might not think that not a good idea, I think it is good. Do you want to buy it".

No different to me, an ordinary random, removing and replacing the wheel of my bike. Somehow I make a mistake, and overtighten something. I sell the bike a week later, and the overstressed bit breaks causing a fatal crash.

Would I, should I be liable for manslaughter (murder is out of the question).
To prove manslaughter you would need to show that I was grossly negligent . For a non-professional that's a VERY high bar.If I WERE a professional mechanic, putting myself forward in a business context, that would be different.

[SVboy]

In this case, if that came to pass "manslaughter" would not be the term-more like "natural justice" or even "improving the species"!:rofl:

[FROSTY]

Ixion sprinkles his Genoclean around the area.

[FROSTY]

You got too many hims and hises.

But in response to your question.
IANAL. But, def not murder. Not possible, no malice prepense.

Manslaughter,very unlikely . Assuming from your quotes that the vendor is not actually a qualified engineer or mechanic, then he owes no greater duty of care or professional expertise than any member of the public.

Assuming that the modifier acted in good faith, and did not lie about the bike, then it is a matter of caveat emptor. "I have fitted blah and blah. Some folk might not think that not a good idea, I think it is good. Do you want to buy it".

No different to me, an ordinary random, removing and replacing the wheel of my bike. Somehow I make a mistake, and overtighten something. I sell the bike a week later, and the overstressed bit breaks causing a fatal crash.

Would I, should I be liable for manslaughter (murder is out of the question).
To prove manslaughter you would need to show that I was grossly negligent . For a non-professional that's a VERY high bar.If I WERE a professional mechanic, putting myself forward in a business context, that would be different.
Dya remember that mechanic a couple of years back thad ended up doing time because a car crashed as a direct result of his mechanical work?

[skidMark]

the front end is a straight bolt in bearings were the same...

the bike was only painted etc...

i have done over 7,000 km's on this bike and nothing fell off nor am i dead...

you really need to keep your nose out tony...

i'll pop by your car yard sometime mate