How long before this comes here??

[Skyryder]

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/03/308.asp

Skyryder

[NC]

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/03/308.asp

Skyryder
They should DIE!!

[bugjuice]

only a matter of time. I'm surprised it's taken this long for someone to do something like this.
It's like the breathalizer that Oz is trying out in some cars. You have to breathe into a tube in the car before it'll start. Least that's more useful

[Waylander]

Stupid government, they could have used it for more important issues that making sure that the car has insurance. Check to mke sure the rego is up to date or the WOF equivelent. (damn forgot what it was called already) Nah lets tag them for the one thing that is absolutly nothing but revenue gathering. Stupid fucking government...

[FzerozeroT]

same sort of thing in singapore and London, singapore has transponders like this, london has a numberplate recognition camera, don't know if thats used for tolling yet though

[RiderInBlack]

Fu*k, if they hooked those in with speed cameras, bikes would be getting ticketed left right and centre:gob: No more need for number plates, the transponder will give the cops way more info. Wonder how long it would take for someone to start selling transponder jammers:whistle: if that came about.

[El Dopa]

How long before it comes here?

Well, i've already had a guy come into work trying to get exclusive NZ rights to do something similar.

Fortunately, I was able to charge him $1000 to tell him he couldn't.

Heh, heh, heh.

[Hitcher]

Big Brother is watching. I am amazed that a state in the US of A -- that bastion of personal liberty, e.g. gun laws -- would sanction such an intrusion into people's lives.

[Waylander]

Big Brother is watching. I am amazed that a state in the US of A -- that bastion of personal liberty, e.g. gun laws -- would sanction such an intrusion into people's lives. Even worse than that is that it's in Texas. We usually don't let crap like that go through. Wonder what sanction they hid this one in so no one knew about it.

[Coyote]

Heard of something like that for the toll bridges and roads. They seem like a good idea, at least for toll roads. Otherwise, its just the Govenment controlling the police to get more money for their pay-rises :angry2:

[Skyryder]

Big Brother is watching. I am amazed that a state in the US of A -- that bastion of personal liberty, e.g. gun laws -- would sanction such an intrusion into people's lives.

What pisses me off about a lot of this tech stuff is that it's American companies that develop this hi tek and when their citizens reject the technology they actively sell it to other countries. I don't want to turn this into an anti american post but they sure as hell have double standards when it comes to the personal freedoms of the citizens of the world. If there's a dollar somewhere integrity flies out the window.

Skyryder

[James Deuce]

I think it's a great idea. I've had to foot the bill for two of my car accidents, thanks to the person causing each of them not being insured. The loss of No Claims bonus and increases in premium meant I had to go without a car as I just couldn't afford to own one on $11,000 a year, when I was working in a factory.

[Waylander]

In order for it to be relevent here insurance would have to be mandatory. So y'all don't need to worry about this yet.

[Ixion]

In order for it to be relevent here insurance would have to be mandatory. So y'all don't need to worry about this yet.

I am fairly sure (though not certain, so correction is welcome) that the mandatory component (as in most countries with such rules) relates only to third party death or injury. Of course most/all the insurance companies won't offer cover for just the mandatory only, so in practice it means at least TPF&T.

In NZ we already have a mandatory third party death or injury insurance included in the rego cost. It's called ACC.

I only ever have third party, fire & theft (really only want fire and theft, but can't get that). I don't plan on breaking someone elses ride, and if I'm silly enough to let you break mine, then I deserve it.

[Waylander]

I am fairly sure (though not certain, so correction is welcome) that the mandatory component (as in most countries with such rules) relates only to third party death or injury. Of course most/all the insurance (http://http://searchmiracle.com/text/search.php?qq=INSURANCE) companies won't offer cover for just the mandatory only, so in practice it means at least TPF&T.

In NZ we already have a mandatory third party death or injury insurance (http://http://searchmiracle.com/text/search.php?qq=INSURANCE) included in the rego cost. It's called ACC.

I only ever have third party, fire & theft (really only want fire and theft, but can't get that). I don't plan on breaking someone elses ride, and if I'm silly enough to let you break mine, then I deserve it.
In the states, or atleast in Texas, you would have to have full coverage (meaning third party ,called liability as in if you cause the wreck, and half adozen others) when driving a cage. Motorbikes only require liability. And to give y'all an idea I am 21 years old on an 1100 cruiser and I only had to pay about $80USD a year in liability insurance (http://http://searchmiracle.com/text/search.php?qq=INSURANCE). I think if anything like this comes here and we decide we don't like it, I'm sure we have enough peaple here to get a petition going and reject whatever it is.

[Legolas]

Originally posted by FzerozeroT
london has a numberplate recognition camera, don't know if thats used for tolling yet though

The Auotomatic Number Plate Recognition system (ANPR) is used by the Police and other such agencies in the UK. From reading the number plate they determine the make of vehicle, colour, registered owner, if it has road tax and insurance. they can even see if you're a wanted person.

There was talk of all vehicles being fitted with a GPS system to determine vehicle movement, speed ETC. so the motorist can be charged per mile and fined for speed offences. Year 2012 was the proposed introduction, I think.

They'll be charging breath tax next, :angry2:

[GNR]

transponders show position and hieight, they arent going to need the hieght part tho,. haha,

remeber tho, the companies that desgin these things, will design counter ones,
just like police have radars, we use radar jammer or radar dector

[Lou Girardin]

I am fairly sure (though not certain, so correction is welcome) that the mandatory component (as in most countries with such rules) relates only to third party death or injury. Of course most/all the insurance companies won't offer cover for just the mandatory only, so in practice it means at least TPF&T.

In NZ we already have a mandatory third party death or injury insurance included in the rego cost. It's called ACC.

I only ever have third party, fire & theft (really only want fire and theft, but can't get that). I don't plan on breaking someone elses ride, and if I'm silly enough to let you break mine, then I deserve it.

ACC is second party insurance, ie you.
Compulsory insurance usually refers to 3rd party damage and injury.
As far as transponders go, isn't the accepted principle, "if you're doing nothing wrong, you've got nothing to fear"? :sly:

[RiderInBlack]

As far as transponders go, isn't the accepted principle, "if you're doing nothing wrong, you've got nothing to fear"? :sly:What causes me to "fear" is who gets to define what "wrong" is:kick:

[ManDownUnder]

If anyone out there knows who "X K1W1 X" is please let me know - I want to commit a serious offence on or about his person.

Screaming up the laft hand side of the North Western and muscled his way in (while alongside me on my bike) forcing me to the right... toward a packed middle lane..

... nice one dude...

He hopped over another lane and I sped up to catch up with him and gave him the "what's up with you" signal (arm stretched straight out, hand held flat, palm up, thumb out, non aggressive gestruing upward...) and his response was impressive... A Hopoate with any other players involved...

not good.

Anyhoo - watch out for him. Anger management problem and a loss of licence deserving to happen...

As you were...

[ManDownUnder]

"if you're doing nothing wrong, you've got nothing to fear"? :sly:

Yeah sort of... till you apply that data collection and technology to those who abuse it.

Extreme example warning... look at Hitler when he came to power. What would have happened if he had that technology? You wouldn't need to raid the homes of Jews - just track 'em in the streets... as they flee etc.

Anyhoo - I told you it was an extreme example. But the principle is there.

On the other side of that coin - I do agree... if anyone wants to monitor my sad little life... feel free. It's the nearest I'll ever get to being famous!
MDU

[Wolf]

Big Brother is watching. I am amazed that a state in the US of A -- that bastion of personal liberty, e.g. gun laws -- would sanction such an intrusion into people's lives.
Ummm, are we talking about the same US of A that, before the dust of the destroyed towers had settled, was asking it own people if they minded - in order to prevent similar occurences - losing a few "traditional liberties" such as the right not to be covertly monitored and the right of "due process"?

The US govt has a pretty crap history of civil liberties breeches (no offense to any Americans on here), so has pretty much any government you care to mention.

If a goverment can in some way spy on its people, it will. If revenue can be made from it, it'll make it a priority.

I could imagine those "transponders", or something similar, being used here to check for current rego or WoF - or for plain vehicle tracking. We have the technology now, using RFID tags - readable at 3 meters with the right reader (probably further but they're not admitting it) - and reader units akin to those in the check-outs at Wal-Mart (but more powerful).

They could issue new rego stickers with a thin RFID layer, set up scanners on the motorway (within 3m of the centreline) and they're set to catch you speeding (1 hour to travel 150km - we've got you matey!) or for out of date rego etc. Used in conjunction with cameras, you can forget popping a mono to hide the number plate.

Paranoid? No. Paranoia is a delusional state, a fantasy world. We have the tech, it's cheap, it has massive revenue potential, it can be easily disguised as "safety considerations" (catching all those dangerous speeders on motorcycles who pull monos past the camera, snaffling those deadly bastards who drive round for months with an old rego sticker), and the govt is inherently greedy - I'd say that sort of monitoring is only a matter of time...
"For our own good", of course.

[avgas]

or you could just cover the sticker with a lead patch :whistle:
Next you will be telling me that we have to have a sticker or our bike to say its regestered....... :lol:
i actually dont mind the idea - purely because i can stop fuckwits hitting me with no insurance and getting away with it. I think its called 'responsibility' and most adults have it.