For old buggers (40+) only. Youff piss off.

[Ixion]

TPTB seem to be running a concerted campaign to denigrate "older motorcyclists". Reckon they're a bunch of wallies that can't ride. Ca killing of themselves all day long, if they are to be believed.

Now , as an "older motorcyclist" myself , I reckon TPTB are full of it.

So, to sound the water, here's a wee poll.

FOR MOTORCYCLISTS AGED 40+ ONLY.

How long between injury crashes ?

An occasional crash over a period of decades is just a fact of life. I'm interested in the average "between crashes" period. Take it over the last 20 years if the last one was lost in the mists of time.

I've specified injury crashes to leave out the "Kickstart lever up the trouser leg at the traffic lights" stuff. Use your common sense.

[PirateJafa]

You bastards raising my ACC levies.

IMO compulsory euthanasia for everyone over 35.

[rwh]

Oops, sorry - I voted on the front page, where the age restriction isn't specified. Still, only a couple of years to go. Yikes.

Richard.

[SARGE]

You bastards raising my ACC levies.

IMO compulsory euthanasia for everyone over 35.

great,, cmon over ... i havnt been euthanized in years...

[Blackshear]

Oh whoops, how do I delete my post?
I is under the age limit.

[Elysium]

I see we have some runners here :shifty:

[Ixion]

Uh, raod bikes, public road. Not interested in track stuff or hooning round paddocks.

[idb]

Hmm, two prangs in 25 years...both in the last four years though!!!
Therefore one every 12.5 years.
Lies, damned lies and statistics!

[Mystic13]

I've had no injury crashes on motorcycles. Bruised ego though.

Plenty of slides and loss of control.

Clipped a truck in a passing move just past spaghetti and had a violent tank slapper at about 100kmph.

Been for a slide across from the left hand side of the lane I was in to the far side of the other lane going the other way at over 100kmph. You have to love the gyro effect.

Dropped bikes 6 times.
2 x in the drive without me on.
1 x in the drive with me on where I sacrificed my leg for the fairing.
1 x on Woodcocks, very slow speed. My wife and I spent a couple of seconds sitting on the road.
1 x on a small sprinkling of metal at low speed before I was married. Possibly viewing a distraction.
1 x St Lukes where a car slowed then didn't give way. An emergency stop leaned over. Stopped in time but couldn't hold up the bike on the lean and dropped it. Cars continued to whizz past while I picked it up.

That's about it. Then off road a fair few more drops. I feel pretty safe on a bike and when all goes wrong I tend to trust the bike will get me through. My wife is not a fan of the big slides. She's the worlds best pillion though and just sits there through it.

I did have an ACC claim for eating Hubbards cereal. A few years back Hubbards produced this cereal that was causing a few broken teeth.

So unlike Pirate and his mates we're pretty safe.

I do think the roads are probably in the worst condition and tar bleed is *&%$ dangerous.

So no injury crashes.

[MikeL]

Have had a motorcycle licence since 1967. One injury crash. But I did go for some years without riding at all, so I'm not sure of the statistical significance...

[Hitcher]

ACC only knows about one of my offs.

[TomJ]

For what it's worth I did not start riding until moved here from the UK. Too much traffic to think about it there. Now love it and have 2 years without crashing. Love riding and agree that older riders get the 'midlife crisis' label and are then generally scorned in the media

[paturoa]

Fecking years ago, but lady luck has been on my side a couple of times with cages driving in a coma.

[Ixion]

Good point. Use "years with a bike" for the riding period.

It's rough and ready , and not statistically valid -because those with "good " records are likely to be proud of them and vote, those with "bad" records won't. And the ones with really bad records can't vote, cos they're dead

But hopefully I can turn round on TPTB and point out "Here are X riders over 40. And their average is they crash only once every Y years. That hardly matches your allegations, does it?"

So don't get hung up on the statistics, just use y' common sense.

Best of all would be to poll Ulysses, cos they is REALLY REALLY old. But I don't know how to do that , cos they mostly ain't compter literate.

[rickstv]

I almost didn't vote, "don't know, never crashed". cos bloody Murphy has a long reach.
Rick.:(

[Motu]

I've had plenty of prangs in 40 years of riding - the only injury was a badly bruised ankle after bouncing off a Trekka at 60mph,it hurt so much I had it X rayed,but it was ok,so went to work the next day off course.Other than that just gravel rash.Even off road I've only had a bit of blood and a twisted ankle.Never claimed ACC or even taken a day off work for motorcyle injuries....or any other for that matter.

[pete376403]

had a bike licence 41 years. Never had an injury from a road accident in that time. Any number of offs in 16 years of speedway racing, but only one of those resulted in hospital time (concussion, overnight stay)
I reckon ACC owes me heaps.

[ManDownUnder]

Bloody good poll!!!!!!!

Done. Really interested to see the difference between Born Agains and Still Ridings

[kevfromcoro]

i have been riding for over 40 years.. havent had a baddy on the road.
had a few off road. nothing serious....
i think the reason we are old and still riding is just comon sense.. and experiance.....
so to you young fellas:wait:

[Sidewinder]

every 2nd bike i own i crash more than once, and every other doesnt even get a stone chip, just my luck aye:argh:

[Oakie]

A couple of low speed "oh bugger, I fell over' s but never injured myself.

[riffer]

Been riding on and off for 30 years now.

Worst injury I've ever had was a couple of cracked ribs when a stunt when wrong when I was 17.

I've had 5 offs in 30 years, and, the ribs aside, never done anything worse than bruises and road rash.

I've broken two scaphoids on mountain bikes though...

[Voltaire]

The Ducati and I have been together for 23 years, combined age of 79.

Little old lady took me out on the Z1000j in 84.
Diesel made me drop the Z1000 again in 84.
Peugeot t boned my R100 RS on the South Circular

Now I just like the illusion of speed so low powered twins it is.
Although if I was working for ACC I'd have to wonder about some of the posts on this site.

[MaxB]

Had my licence for coming up to 30 years. The one ACC type accident broke 17 bones and cost six weeks off work. A few minor spills since but no injuries.

I found a good way of not being a born again was never to give up riding. Even when the kids were young I kept on riding. Cheaper than a shrink I reckon.

[Slyer]

If you are dedicated enough to motorcycling to actually register, read this thread and post, chances are you aren't one of the silly reborn bikers that kill themselves.

[Wannabiker]

Im not superstitious...but I'm not going to tempt fate here and vote....

[McJim]

Hmmm. I can vote on this poll in less than a year. I can also become a 'junior' member of Ulysses in less than a year. I wonder which one is carries the most kudos?

[oldrider]

I have held a bike licence for 55 years and ridden almost continuously! (four years at sea but rode between voyages)

I had a serious accident (hospitalised) involving another vehicle when I was seventeen but have never been involved in an accident with another vehicle since!

The other vehicle had no lights on in narrow streets of Petone. (they didn't even work when tested) It was a pile driving truck!

Police booked me for failing to give way to the right and not stopping at a compulsory stop which was not there until 3 days after the accident!

I have fallen off my road bike in a paddock and hurt myself a couple of years ago. (not reported except on KB)

I fell off on the road (Hakataramea Pass) last year and claimed ACC for treatment for a broken shoulder blade and rearranging some ribs.

My fault, I was not paying attention to where I was going!

I voted 40years between accidents, hope I got that right!

Edit: Forgot to include an off in 1993, wife and I canned off at Cape Reinga and nearly wrote off our Honda ST1100!

No injuries though, so vote still valid!

I have not counted the numerous times I have fallen off my trail bikes and broken them but I had not been hurt anyway!

Edit again: OK OK Subike has reminded me of the fact that Mrs O/r and I fell off in front of local TV cameras in Oamaru @ KB ride in last December!

I got the "Dick of the Day" award too but the only thing hurt was my pride! (no non of you were blind, I confess) :lol:

[MattRSK]

just getting in this thread for the lolz

[Bonez]

If you count the car T-boning me, one injury crash in 23 years. Had a few minor spills in more recent years. No ACC claims though or killed myself. Well, I don't think I have anyway.

Oh I almost forgot. I'm still waiting for that mid-life crisis thing to kick in.

[davereid]

I have had four crashes that I can remember, but never had to see a doctor about any of them, so I ticked no crashes.

I can remember tooling down Hampshire street on my RD350, someone had just done an oil change on the car, and I found the used oil. Fell off, broke lots of bits. Couldn't ride the bike, so I asked an old fella if I could leave the bike in his shed. I got back to pick it up a few days later, and he had fixed everything except my speedo, which cost a weeks pay.

Years later rode my XT400 through a river on the way back from a trail ride. It was way deeper than I imagined, and I fell off. Got stuck and almost drowned. Mates are useless in those situations, they just want to take photos. But I dont think that counts either.

Dropped my GSX1100 on the Takaka Hill in 1987. I was almost walking, it was fuckn icy and snowing and it cracked the fairing, but I was not hurt. I watched a car come around the corner, thinking shit, they gonna run over my bike, but they gently spun in a circle and drifted into the bank, safely clear of my crash site.

Traded the GSX1100 on a new Triumph Trophy some years later. See I keeps me bikes for a long time. Except this one... Got it on Friday, and crashed it on Saturday when the back stepped out on the Rimutaka Hill, far side. My fault, too much gas on in the corner. Wasn't hurt, just pissed off. Had a most unpleasant time getting Swine Insurance to pay out, they had lots of excuses.

[Pwalo]

I've had my licence for 34 years.

I have woken up in the back of an ambulance once, after being punted off form behind by an inattentive driver.

Apart from a few falls on ice that's it.

[Swoop]

Been riding on and off for 30 years.

Never had a crash.
According to the lies and statistics from TPTB, I should be dead already. Sorry to fuck up their stats.:banana:

[Mom]

Been riding on and off for 30 years.

Never had a crash.
According to the lies and statistics from TPTB, I should be dead already. Sorry to fuck up their stats.:banana:

I have a few more years on that, but I am with you all the way, I should have been dead long since :yes:

[Goblin]

One road crash in '95, old fart drove his car straight into me resulting in me being knocked out and a fractured wrist.
2007 I got knocked off on the track resulting in a fractured thumb and bruised from head to toe. 5 weeks later, still in cast, I hit some oil on a roundabout n fell off. Thought I'd re-broken thumb but xrays showed I hadn't so I got the cast off.:2thumbsup I never told my doctor about the roundabout incident so it didn't go on the acc stats.

[portokiwi]

:( Was hit twice by drunk drivers in Christchurch back in the eighties (going to work at night)
and last year by a truck comming home from work (Tosser)
Could have been worse:lol: I would hate to be hit every year........

[cheshirecat]

Had lisence for over 40 years and one accident 1976 requiring doctors in head on with car on the wrong side. We were both doing 70 ish mph and being on a bike saved my life. Apart from that minor slips in snow and black ice or on spilt fuel and of course the usual infuriating when stationary numbers. This all includes riding lots across Europe and 3 years London Despatching. In UK used to average 30,000 miles a year on bikes winter and summer.

[Edbear]

I've had plenty of prangs in 40 years of riding - the only injury was a badly bruised ankle after bouncing off a Trekka at 60mph,it hurt so much I had it X rayed,but it was ok,so went to work the next day off course.Other than that just gravel rash.Even off road I've only had a bit of blood and a twisted ankle.Never claimed ACC or even taken a day off work for motorcyle injuries....or any other for that matter.

What did the poor Trekka do to deserve a hit..? Everyone used to pick on them... :lol:

Apart from dropping the old T500 Suzuki on a wet clay driveway back in '76 due to the old "pleasure-ribbed" front tyre not being suited to such conditions, I haven't had a crash. Had a few close calls, of course, but I have an aversion to pain and death so I usually ride like a Nana... :whistle:

[MadDuck]

Stink - It appears I am an old bugger.

Have had a bike licence over 25 years (no I aint saying much over that) but did have a break for a bit. Few offs in my youff being stupid but not since getting back into it over 15ish years.

Did someone say I should be dead :wacko:

[Maki]

Im an old bugger and I never even scratched my bike. ACC should pay me for setting a good example with my safe, responsible
and exemplary riding :woohoo:

[Insanity_rules]

You bastards raising my ACC levies.

IMO compulsory euthanasia for everyone over 35.


You know when Winston Peters was asked about euthensia he replied "Well I think we should be looking after our own kiddies first".

True story, go the minister for Courtney Place!

[Blackbird]

1 x in the drive with me on where I sacrificed my leg for the fairing.


Hahaha. Same as me just before Xmas! Lost my footing on loose gravel turning round in the road. Stayed under the bike to protect it and the crash mushroom drilled my calf. Took 2 months to heal properly. That was at 61 years of age.

My only previous injury was when I was 19. An old git in a Mini pulled out on me without indicating. I was riding a 350cc Triumph. Anyone into Triumphs of that era will remember that they came equipped with a rather large steering damper knob on top of the headstock. As I came into contact with the Mini and exited over the front of the bike, my balls snagged on the damper knob on the way through:wacko:. I was walking like John Wayne for nearly a week on account of the purple plumbs in my trousers:argh:

[MSTRS]

Not quite old enough to vote the top one.
One crash in 1975. My fault. Not paying attention, hit a car that stopped at lights, bruised shins from hitting the crashbars, bruised thighs from hitting the handlebars and broken tooth from face-planting the boot of said car.

[Big Dave]

I crashed 3 times in one day - ADV riding.

[slofox]

Only one injury crash ever...as a rank beginner, and that was a pretty minor injury - gear shift poked into leg. I had just bought a helmet that morning and landed on it when some silly old fool turned right straight into me. Over the front and onto the head...no boots (which would've saved the leg).

Dropped it a few times, couple low-sides, one high speed lowconvertedtohigh side on the track...no injury.

Edit: Now I think about it, I have fallen off every bike, except one, that I have ever owned. The exception was a cb250 commuter I had for a couple years when there was only one fambly car...no wonder I never fell off that one - the least memorable bike I ever had....

[FROSTY]

Hmm I posted my reply taking out racetrack crashes. to me that doesn't count

[cs363]

Well I ticked the 'no crash' box, had bike licence for about 33 years and been riding them for more than that and only had the usual noob bins which resulted in cosmetic damage to bike and at worse a wee bit of gravel rash to me, so considering Ixion is talking injury accidents I guess none of my early exploratory forays count. And that includes track & off-road riding as well!
Touch wood, I'm not looking to increase my count any time soon.

[MadDuck]

Hmm I posted my reply taking out racetrack crashes. to me that doesn't count
and would blow the statistics out of the water :dodge:

[Crisis management]

Been riding for about 35 years (a bit off & on at times) and had a "few" on road crashes but never any real (needing treatment) injury, I've been lucky I suspect given where I've ended up at times...

Off road & adventure riding on the other hand is littered with bits of bikes & me, sprained ankles, sore backs, cracked ribs, knackered knees and abrasions in places you'd have to wonder about. Having said that, the only ACC claim was for the ankle and that was only 2 doctors visits, it was a bastard working on a construction site when you can only stand on one leg tho.

[James Deuce]

Riding on and off for 21 years. 1 broken wrist, 4 cracked vertebrae and a head injury. One stretch mark from hell from a race track incident that involved folding my right leg behind my left shoulder at high speed.

[Flip]

Been riding with a licence for 32 years. Always have had at least 1 road legal bike. Had 2 monor offs. The first was in gravel when I was 16 on the summit road above Christchurch. The second was going into Naseby on the way to the Brass about 10 years ago. Never actually injured myself, never been to a doc, or had an ACC claim while riding.

[vifferman]

Injury crashes (requiring a hospital or doctor's visit) have been few. I wrote off my first bike the day after my 17th birthday when I t-boned a car that failed to give way (but it was just as much my fault).
I've run over a cyclist, a pedestrian, a squashed can (lowside) and the odd car without significant injury.
Wrote off my fourth bike when a car u-turned into me. Just bruising and maybe a broken heel bone (not x-rayed or treated, but still hurts some 6 years later).

I've never crashed on the open road, or going faster'n about 65km/h.

Communtering can be dangerous.

[YellowDog]

I think it's the over 40s who have not ridden for 20 years that are the problem.

If you have been riding for 20 years plus, then the fact that you are still alive means that you have to have learnt some skills and gained experience.

IMO - 40 year olds in this category must be in the lowest risk accident group.

[GaZBur]

Uh, raod bikes, public road. Not interested in track stuff or hooning round paddocks.

Thats a relief! 50 years old - one injury road crash in about 1980 cracked ribs.

Heaps of track prangs - averaging 1.5 per year in the Supermoto class, which is probably lower than most in that class but injuries are usualy minor.

Sadly I have had 2 mates killed in road crashes.

[grbaker]

1 side swipe on a Ford Seirra (f'n ugly car to start with)... but no injuries after 20+ years... I'm pretty good (so far, and need no further tests :pinch:) at dodging, ducking, weaving and swearing.

had a off on dirt/sand and brusied me hip... but that's what dirt riding is for.

[FROSTY]

and would blow the statistics out of the water :dodge:
LUF YOU TOO DAHLINK :love::love:
Hang on a mo--1 crash at castrol,1 crash at T1 taupo and er--Ohh yea ok 3 crashes at Frosty corner
5 from 3 seasons aint too bad

[SPman]

Hmmm - license 1967......odd minor offs, but no injuries until GSXR1000 into bank and severe sprained ankle and cracked rib in '05, then 'roo into ZX9R and another cracked rib in '06......so.......42 yrs, less 12 yrs with kids and no bike = 30 yrs/2 incidents.....15yrs per (minor) injury accident?

[Swoop]

Bugger me. Those stat's are interesting (as they currently stand).
Could the <strike>liars</strike> (oops!) "public servants" be telling us some untruths?

[PirateJafa]

Bugger me. Those stat's are interesting (as they currently stand).
Could the <strike>liars</strike> (oops!) "public servants" be telling us some untruths?

Not necessarily:


If you are dedicated enough to motorcycling to actually register, read this thread and post, chances are you aren't one of the silly reborn bikers that kill themselves.

Not to mention, of course, that the "old buggers" who've been killing themselves off, are, of course, dead. And therefore unable to vote.

[Voltaire]

Not necessarily:



Not to mention, of course, that the "old buggers" who've been killing themselves off, are, of course, dead. And therefore unable to vote.

Us old buggers probably remember the phrase used back in the day...
" there are bold bikers and there are old bikers".....

[Monkeyboy]

You bastards raising my ACC levies.

IMO compulsory euthanasia for everyone over 35.

Go and watch "Logans Run" on Youtube.....

[98tls]

Us old buggers probably remember the phrase used back in the day...
" there are bold bikers and there are old bikers"..... Old biker i must be,my very very old man whos still riding told me (i was 16) 'only way you will learn is through your mistakes".He also said ''if your not making any at your age then your not going hard enough',end result was one written off 500/4,the first step in a rather long learning curve:pinch:Point being he was right,no matter the PC shite if it doesnt work out fuck all you can do about it.

[oldrider]

Go and watch "Logans Run" on Youtube.....

I am writing a sequel to "Logans run", euthanasia for everyone under seventy! :Pokey:

Should be a sell out among grey power members! :lol:

[MadDuck]

Should be a sell out among grey power members! :lol:

Get hold of Winston Peters he will love it :2thumbsup

[PirateJafa]

Go and watch "Logans Run" on Youtube.....

You assume I haven't seen it already.

More alarmingly, I understand that they're filming a remake of it. Hopefully it doesn't end up shite like most remakes :( (thinking Gone in Sixty Seconds, Ocean's Eleven etc here).

[Big Dave]

You assume I haven't seen it already.

More alarmingly, I understand that they're filming a remake of it. Hopefully it doesn't end up shite like most remakes :( (thinking Gone in Sixty Seconds, Ocean's Eleven etc here).

In this case the remake could be made by 4 year olds and it would have better production values.

[98tls]

You assume I haven't seen it already.

More alarmingly, I understand that they're filming a remake of it. Hopefully it doesn't end up shite like most remakes :( (thinking Gone in Sixty Seconds, Ocean's Eleven etc here). Unless its on MGM then more fool you for bothering to watch it,Grasshopper.;)

[dipshit]

.He also said ''if your not making any at your age then your not going hard enough',end result was one written off 500/4,the first step in a rather long learning curve

Good thing you didn't take up flying aeroplanes then. :whistle:

[PrincessBandit]

IMO compulsory euthanasia for everyone over 35.
Watch your mouth whippersnapper - you might end up as a cougar meal....



As for the poll, stats: right side of 40 for it, but only riding 3 years, one crash.

[cs363]

Good thing you didn't take up flying aeroplanes then. :whistle:

:lol: A very good point! :2thumbsup

[98tls]

Good thing you didn't take up flying aeroplanes then. :whistle:

Yea yea point taken mate,and expected.Doesnt change anything though,he was right and i learnt.Whilst i support any good intentions simple fact is that no matter what advice is offered shit will happen,if you come out the other end of it intact then great,if not..............

[PirateJafa]

In this case the remake could be made by 4 year olds and it would have better production values.


Unless its on MGM then more fool you for bothering to watch it,Grasshopper.;)

You guys don't realise the sad, sad case that you're talking to.

I sat down and watched Death Race 2000 yesterday, and loved it. :2thumbsup

[cs363]

You guys don't realise the sad, sad case that you're talking to.

I sat down and watched Death Race 2000 yesterday, and loved it. :2thumbsup

Were you under the influence of mind bending substances??! :laugh:

[98tls]

You guys don't realise the sad, sad case that you're talking to.

I sat down and watched Death Race 2000 yesterday, and loved it. :2thumbsup :argh:Whispering............i to watched it:argh:

[cs363]

:argh:Whispering............i to watched it:argh:

Well you were obviously pissed, judging by all those empties rolling around at the bottom of your signature.... :lol:

[PirateJafa]

Were you under the influence of mind bending substances??! :laugh:

The hell are you talking about? The movie was gold, even stone cold sober.

Stallone ran his OWN PITCREW over for the extra points. When the crowd wasn't cheering for him, he opened fire on them with a tommygun! He's even manlier in Death Race 2000 than he was later in Demolition Man.

[Pedrostt500]

Have had a bike licence for the last 29yrs, 2 injury accidents that I should have seeked medical help for, one in 1989, cracked skull, concusion, my fault skin full of piss, black ice, no helmet, bald back tyre on my old 750. Second in about 92 / 93 low speed crash, dropped front wheel into large pothole, at about 20kmh, hit kidneys on mirrors as I went over the handel bars, pissed blood for a week.

[cs363]

The hell are you talking about? The movie was gold, even stone cold sober.

Stallone ran his OWN PITCREW over for the extra points. When the crowd wasn't cheering for him, he opened fire on them with a tommygun! He's even manlier in Death Race 2000 than he was later in Demolition Man.

Well, OK yes it was gold as far as gratutious violence with a twist of black comedy thrown in goes and viewed from that standpoint I guess I can agree with your viewpoint.
But you certainly couldn't class it as a great movie based on the production, script, special effects and so on but I'm probably being unneccessarily critical - it was after all best viewed as a gory video game come to life, and it was admittedly a long time ago that I saw it.

Though come to think of it I may be getting confused, wasn't there a crappier remake later on? I can remember David Carradine being in it, but can't remember Stallone in it...shit, it was a long time ago....

Bugger it.....I'm going to have to find a copy and rewatch it now....bugger it! :lol:

So what did you think of it 98tls?


Apologies for being dangerously :Offtopic:

[PirateJafa]

Wait, there was a script? I thought they were just making it up as they went.

[cs363]

Wait, there was a script? I thought they were just making it up as they went.

See? :rofl:

Dammit, you've got me hooked now...been looking on the net for DVD of it, :laugh:

[PirateJafa]

See? :rofl:

Dammit, you've got me hooked now...been looking on the net for DVD of it, :laugh:

*cough* http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4560147/Death.Race[2000]DvDrip.XviD-NFO *cough*

Alternatively, if you're in Auckland, I should be able to hook you up with a copy. I'm called PirateJafa for a reason ;)

[cs363]

Sweet, thanks for that (4 hours South of you)....haven't used the old Bit Torrent for a while, good excuse...:lol:

Bit of a WTF on that page though: GENRE: SKATEBOARDING ACTION ???!

[PirateJafa]

Sweet, thanks for that (4 hours South of you)....haven't used the old Bit Torrent for a while, good excuse...:lol:

Glad to be of assistance.

Now, if you'll excuse me, there is a creature in the black lagoon who needs to be dealt to. Or needs to hurry up and eat everyone, I can't decide which yet.

[ukusa]

25 year rider, never crashed on road. Had a few spills though when trail biking, but no major injuries.

[Macktheknife]

2 injury crashes in 4 years, but haven't had any other injury crashes in 27 years.
Early days yet, but 1 every 13 yrs is still too much in my book.
One was pretty much just unlucky, (bastard cager) but the other was mostly my bad judgement.

[Conquiztador]

I had injuries on the track and on the beach (no helmet, no gear...).

Only time I ever had a injury on the road (that required hospital) was riding drunk in Italy in the 80's on my Bonny in the rain and far too fast. (In those days you were allowed to ride drunk AND w/o helmet in Italy!)

Apart from that nix.

[oldrider]

Ah, many happy returns to Ixion's thread subject! Good things take time! (as they say on the cheese adds) :calm:

[Flip]

I spoke too soon.

I was knocked off the Harley in Christchrch last night. Minor damage and I am just a bit sore.

Phill

[Robbo]

Been a licenced bike rider since 1966 and never had an accident. Have had a few close calls due to other idiots but time and experience has shown me the benefits of defensive riding and driving so i am always prepared for the unexpected. Hopefully luck stays with me.
As for ACC, i have been paying levies on four bikes, two cars and a percentage of my income for many years and have never had a claim so i reckon they at least owe me a no claims rebate. Not that it will ever happen.

[duckonin]

I spoke too soon.

I was knocked off the Harley in Christchrch last night. Minor damage and I am just a bit sore.

Phill

:whistle:Flip, what has been said many times over about Murf's law ?

[ManDownUnder]

:whistle:Flip, what has been said many times over about Murf's law ?

Murphy's an idiot - hates being challenged so here it is black and white. MURPH - DO YA WORST!!!!!!!!!!!

So - anyone up for a group ride with me?

[klingon]

I just made the stats look pretty bad, sorry Ixion.

You see I am old (positively ancient really) but I've only been riding for three years and was hit by a car when I'd been riding for only six months! :wacko:

It's really not fair - I've had many years of driving without an accident or even a speeding ticket, then six months into my riding I get hit from behind at a stop sign by a dozy car driver who fully intended to drive straight through the compulsory stop. :angry2:

Fractured ribs, mild concussion, lots of bruising and a broken bike later, I find myself being one of the statistics that can be used to 'prove' how dangerous motorbikes are. I would just like to point out how much better off I was with all my safety gear than if the same half-asleep driver had driven through the same stop sign and hit a pedestrian or a push-bike rider.

Also the claim went against her insurance, so surely the ACC stats should also go against her record as the cause of the injury, not against mine as the victim. I mean, we don't ask pedestrians to pay ACC levies in case they get hit by a car do we?
:argh:

[Voltaire]

we don't ask pedestrians to pay ACC levies in case they get hit by a car do we?
:argh:

I saw this in the Herald..so it must be true.
I read it out to my wife....shortened version is bike riding is safer than working on the house.
Whats next ..Site Safe Pass to buy stuff at Bunnings and M10?:angry2:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10595342

ACC went on to blame 'middle aged' handymen.....jeepers....thats like saying under 20's are more likely to be involved in skateboard accidents......dry....

[klingon]

ACC injury prevention team leader Ceri Davies said middle-aged men often had "just enough tools to get themselves into trouble, but not enough tools to get themselves out of it".

:killingme You middle-aged men should really maintain your equipment better!

[Voltaire]

:killingme You middle-aged men should really maintain your equipment better!


ACC went on say...

"Say you're screwing something on a wall above your head with both hands [and] you lose balance. You haven't got time to put your hand out to steady yourself."

......and thats how the teeth marks got on my equipment.....really....:whistle:

[vifferman]

I'd like to say that socks have caused me more pain than my bikes have.
Bikes: few cuts'n bruises, 9 stitches in right knee, possibly cracked heel.
Socks: Cracked eyebrow, 6 stitches in right eye, two black eyes, possibly broken nose, wrecked rotator cuff, a few months of physio, 9 years of arthritis (so far - can expect more'n'more'n'more.....)

Socks are evil, and should carry a health warning:
WARNING: Socks can be dangerous in some situations, and could cause injury!

Mind you if I was wearing ATGATT when operating myself in my socks, there'd likely be no injury.

[klingon]

...
WARNING: Socks can be dangerous in some situations, and could cause injury!
...

Especially the combination of socks and a lovely polished wooden staircase... :pinch:

[MikeL]

It's really not fair - I've had many years of driving without an accident or even a speeding ticket,

Now someone who understands statistics should look at the correlation between years of riding, number of accidents and number of speeding tickets. Three variables is far too much for my non-mathematical brain to cope with, though...

[vifferman]

Especially the combination of socks and a lovely polished wooden staircase... :pinch:
... or the front bumper of a Pajero, while carrying an armful of tools'n'stuff.
(It wasn't the lack of traction a foot from the end wot did it, but the faceplant into the doorframe and concrete. "D'oh!!" and all that...)

[MSTRS]

:killingme You middle-aged men should really maintain your equipment better!

It's the lack of use. We get them out often enough, it's just that we get told to 'put that away'...:mad::whistle:

[MadDuck]

So - anyone up for a group ride with me?

Sure - I am. But will you be able to keep up old man :bleh:

[PrincessBandit]

ACC went on say...

"Say you're screwing something against a wall ....
......and thats how the teeth marks got on my equipment.....really....:whistle:

Oh really...??????

[MarkH]

A couple of low speed "oh bugger, I fell over' s but never injured myself.

Sounds about the same as me - not one injury accident ever. I have never needed medical treatment for any motor vehicle accident.


I think it's the over 40s who have not ridden for 20 years that are the problem.

That was me a year ago, but now I have over 22,000 kms of recent riding experience and have still maintained my lifetime record of 0 days in hospital.

[MarkH]

You assume I haven't seen it already.

More alarmingly, I understand that they're filming a remake of it. Hopefully it doesn't end up shite like most remakes :( (thinking Gone in Sixty Seconds, Ocean's Eleven etc here).

Logan's Run was a series, those others are movies. Hopefully Logan's Run would be more like Battlestar Galactica or The Bionic Woman - where the remake was pretty decent.

I tried to watch Space 1999 a few years ago because I used to watch it every week when I was young and I remember enjoying it - but it was just too dated so I stopped watching. I think that watching some of my childhood favourites again would just spoil my warm memories of them. I doubt I could enjoy The Tomorrow People today (unless they did a good remake).

[MarkH]

I saw this in the Herald..so it must be true.
I read it out to my wife....shortened version is bike riding is safer than working on the house.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10595342


Hang on - with all the deaths and injuries around the house, why is there this huge push to make motorcyclists pay more on their rego? Sure bikers crash and injure themselves and even kill themselves, but if they didn't ride then they would be at home injuring and killing themselves falling off ladders - doesn't sound like the risk to life & limb has gone up all that much by riding a bike (so why the big levy?)

I have never needed medical treatment of any kind from riding or driving and only once in 42 years from an incident around the home (7 stitches back when I was 9 or 10). It's not me running up the ACC costs.

[Voltaire]

Hang on - with all the deaths and injuries around the house, why is there this huge push to make motorcyclists pay more on their rego? Sure bikers crash and injure themselves and even kill themselves, but if they didn't ride then they would be at home injuring and killing themselves falling off ladders - doesn't sound like the risk to life & limb has gone up all that much by riding a bike (so why the big levy?)

I have never needed medical treatment of any kind from riding or driving and only once in 42 years from an incident around the home (7 stitches back when I was 9 or 10). It's not me running up the ACC costs.

Its easier for the gumment.
Rant:
ACC is great.....you can take as much risk as you like and the good 'o ACC ( read taxpayer) picks up the tab.
What if....instead of an accross the board tax like ACC they introduced user pay and you had to take out insurance like other countries.
It would be like insuring a vehicle ....no history or lots of claims..high charges...good history and less claims less cost.
Dirt bikers get a free ride ( pun intended)....as do skiiers.. ( both I do a bit of)
People here are fond of comparing lack of wages with Aussie......When I lived there 20 years ago it cost $350.00 to register my Kombi and $400 for the bike and insurance was mandatory.
I wonder how many KB members ride around with no insurance????...

I have been on a couple of runs where guys had no WOF's and one unlicenced idiot even crashed his bike. Then people complain about living in a nanny state.As I tell my kiid...if you want to be treated as an adult...start by acting like one.
rant over.

[PrincessBandit]

Slightly off topic I know, but I have to laugh every time that insurance ad comes on tv which says "if you don't have insurance and cause an accident you have to pay" (or something very similar). Makes me burst out in hysterics whenever I see it - heaps of people cause crashes, without insurance, and then say "sorry, can't pay, have no money, but your insurance will sort you out".

So they fall back on the excuse that they don't "need" insurance because the victim of their stupidity/carelessness etc. should have their own cover which will take care of repairs.

Sounds like a fair representation of what is wrong with a lot of things in NZ.

[Maki]

Slightly off topic I know, but I have to laugh every time that insurance ad comes on tv which says "if you don't have insurance and cause an accident you have to pay" (or something very similar). Makes me burst out in hysterics whenever I see it - heaps of people cause crashes, without insurance, and then say "sorry, can't pay, have no money, but your insurance will sort you out".



Doesn't your insurance then go after the twats and make them pay?

[MSTRS]

..."sorry, can't pay, have no money, but your insurance will sort you out"...


Doesn't your insurance then go after the twats and make them pay?

Yep. Even if it's $5/wk for the rest of their lives.

[MarkH]

Doesn't your insurance then go after the twats and make them pay?

It is not easy to make someone pay when they have no money and no desire to pay. If the amount of effort required to get money out of the deadbeat is greater than what the amount of money they are likely to get is worth then the insurance company may take a lesser amount and write off the difference or just forget it altogether.

It is much worse when you don't have insurance either, since you don't have your own corporate lawyers or debt collection department.