Sam Love, article NZ Herald 16/9/09

[Cajun]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10597421

Was a write up with Sam love in the Sport section of nz hearld today.

Nice one mate.

Good luck with 2010 championship

[wharfy]

good shit !!!

[Sidewinder]

me and choppa cant be working him hard enough

[nudemetalz]

It's hard not to get a bad opinion of "the rider who kicked the other rider in the back" here (and also the MNZ Steward), despite only reading one side of the story......

[Sidewinder]

fuck all that shit, its over and done with leave it alone for fucks sake

[Sketchy_Racer]

What Sidewinder said, drop it and forget it!

And it certainly is not very fair to have only the Meads side of it, I take note that Mead's certainly didn't make clear that it was his son that took out Sam Love in the first place, instead he says who's fault it was isn't up for question. I can only hope by that he means there is 100% certainty that the crash was Bryce's fault, because it was!

Another point to take note is this is the second time (that i know of) Bryce has taken out another rider, the last time he broke the guys collar bone, ruining his season.

[Sidewinder]

What Sidewinder said, drop it and forget it!

And it certainly is not very fair to have only the Meads side of it, I take note that Mead's certainly didn't make clear that it was his son that took out Sam Love in the first place, instead he says who's fault it was isn't up for question. I can only hope by that he means there is 100% certainty that the crash was Bryce's fault, because it was!

Another point to take note is this is the second time (that i know of) Bryce has taken out another rider, the last time he broke the guys collar bone, ruining his season.

and the secont time he has taken sam out

[White trash]

That Sam Love bloke needs to paint a fucken big target on his back the amount he's been innocently taken out in recent years.

I am (and make no bones about it) a big Sam Love supporter and always will be. However it is disapointing that in the heat of the moment and without thinking clearly he alledgedly made a very stupid decision. I'm sure he's remorsefull and embarrassed, it shouldn't have happened. However if I had been taken out twice by the same rider through no apparent fault of my own I'm unsure I would have acted any different.

Hopefully, we can all move forwards from this ugly incident and focus on some great racing from both of these up and coming riders.

[Sketchy_Racer]

Well said White Trash.

[oyster]

The most shameful poison in new Zealand today is violence. In the home, sport and everywhere we look. There is NEVER a justification. If there is a problem with a rider's habit of "taking out" others, deal with it the right way, through the steward. End of story.

[Foxzee]

Awesome stuff Sam:wari:

[wharfy]

The most shameful poison in new Zealand today is violence. In the home, sport and everywhere we look. There is NEVER a justification. If there is a problem with a rider's habit of "taking out" others, deal with it the right way, through the steward. End of story.

What he said

[Robert Taylor]

What Sidewinder said, drop it and forget it!

And it certainly is not very fair to have only the Meads side of it, I take note that Mead's certainly didn't make clear that it was his son that took out Sam Love in the first place, instead he says who's fault it was isn't up for question. I can only hope by that he means there is 100% certainty that the crash was Bryce's fault, because it was!

Another point to take note is this is the second time (that i know of) Bryce has taken out another rider, the last time he broke the guys collar bone, ruining his season.

I think if the bespoke person didnt constantly try to win races on the first lap by riding beyond his ability there would be less carnage, ill feeling and violence. The finishing position of the rider is more a reflection of true pace.
While Sams actions may not have been justified I can certainly sympathise with his anger in being taken out by a sheer act of idiocy, not the first rider to have suffered at the hands of stock car mentality. We are talking about on track violence and off track violence. Note that I help neither rider, this is as I independently saw it.
Anyway great news Glen re the sponsorship and looking forward to continuing to help you with suspension.

[Toot Toot]

The most shameful poison in new Zealand today is violence. In the home, sport and everywhere we look. There is NEVER a justification. If there is a problem with a rider's habit of "taking out" others, deal with it the right way, through the steward. End of story.
Nicky Hayden might be interested in that line of thought...

mWhtaB5APDA

[nodrog]

at least he's got his hat on the right way around for a change

[wharfy]

Nicky Hayden might be interested in that line of thought...

mWhtaB5APDA

Not a great role model.

I know that being good at any sport doesn't mean you automatically become a "role model" but taking sponsor dollars does.

The one thing that is in short supply in professional sport is "sportsmanship" (not to be confused with the abundant supply of "gamesmanship")

[Benk]

Not a great role model.

I know that being good at any sport doesn't mean you automatically become a "role model" but taking sponsor dollars does.

The one thing that is in short supply in professional sport is "sportsmanship" (not to be confused with the abundant supply of "gamesmanship")

No such thing as bad publicity.

I do agree somewhat. He shouldnt have have swore at him. Bad form. Should have used judgment to make sure he wasnt too seriously injured, then walked over and punched him in the face :laugh:

[wharfy]

No such thing as bad publicity.


Sponsors will drop an athlete like a hot brick if they get "bad" publicity and most will have a clause in the contract to that effect.



I do agree somewhat. He shouldnt have have swore at him. Bad form. Should have used judgment to make sure he wasnt too seriously injured, then walked over and punched him in the face :laugh:

A few things wrong with this approach:
1/ It is just plain unacceptable to use violence to express your dissapointment/anger/frustration.
2/ No matter how tough you think you are eventually you will come across someone who is better at fighting than you and they will beat the shit out of you.

[Shaun]

Sponsors will drop an athlete like a hot brick if they get "bad" publicity and most will have a clause in the contract to that effect.



A few things wrong with this approach:
1/ It is just plain unacceptable to use violence to express your dissapointment/anger/frustration.
2/ No matter how tough you think you are eventually you will come across someone who is better at fighting than you and they will beat the shit out of you.


Ha Ha to No 2:laugh:

[Benk]

Sponsors will drop an athlete like a hot brick if they get "bad" publicity and most will have a clause in the contract to that effect.

*Tongue almost bursting through cheek on previous comment man, yeeesshhh*


A few things wrong with this approach:
1/ It is just plain unacceptable to use violence to express your dissapointment/anger/frustration.

Its fucking easy to take the moral high ground with the benefit of hindsight. Im sure you would be pretty pissed in the same situation, as would I. Perhaps Nicky giving him a blast will make him a bit more apprehensive about doing it next time eh.


2/ No matter how tough you think you are eventually you will come across someone who is better at fighting than you and they will beat the shit out of you.

Of course. I feel the same way. There are plenty of arseholes out there, and if your going around looking for trouble, you deserve to get your head punched in. Nicky was hardly looking for trouble though was he.

[wharfy]

*Tongue almost bursting through cheek on previous comment man, yeeesshhh*



Its fucking easy to take the moral high ground with the benefit of hindsight. Im sure you would be pretty pissed in the same situation, as would I. Perhaps Nicky giving him a blast will make him a bit more apprehensive about doing it next time eh.



Of course. I feel the same way. There are plenty of arseholes out there, and if your going around looking for trouble, you deserve to get your head punched in. Nicky was hardly looking for trouble though was he.

Nobody was "looking" for trouble - it was an accident - throwing a tantrum when shit happens is juvenile.
Assaulting people for any reason is just plain wrong and can never be justified. That might be why it is the first item under the misconduct heading in the MNZ Code of Conduct. If someone is consistently riding in a dangerous manner then there are procedures for dealing with that.

[Benk]

Nobody was "looking" for trouble - it was an accident - throwing a tantrum when shit happens is juvenile.
Assaulting people for any reason is just plain wrong and can never be justified. That might be why it is the first item under the misconduct heading in the MNZ Code of Conduct. If someone is consistently riding in a dangerous manner then there are procedures for dealing with that.

Yup, fair enough. Idealistically this should be the case, but there will be exceptions. I thought Nickys tantrum was pretty funny, but hey, agree to disagree :done:

[svr]

Yup, fair enough. Idealistically this should be the case, but there will be exceptions. I thought Nickys tantrum was pretty funny, but hey, agree to disagree :done:

It is extremely difficult to be level-headed when you are taken out in a motorcycle race. All reasoning faculties are turned off when the light goes green, for starters. Was taken out 4 times the first year I did the nationals and struggling to to see the justice in the sport by the end of the season.
Tip: never punch anyone with a helmet on :no:.

[sugilite]

That might be why it is the first item under the misconduct heading in the MNZ Code of Conduct. If someone is consistently riding in a dangerous manner then there are procedures for dealing with that.

Yeah, rules and manuals are great, if they are ever followed. I've seen many hand grenades come and go, usually with impunity.

[Deano]

Heat of the moment - Temporary insanity ? We seem to accept mental illness as an excuse for everything else these days.

[quickbuck]

Heat of the moment - Temporary insanity ? We seem to accept mental illness as an excuse for everything else these days.
Bit of a timley dredge there Deano......

In a couple of ways actually....