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SixPackBack

17th September 2009, 18:30

Glad to see the local Iwi get their way and to see the smile wiped off the sycophantic Law's face.:2thumbsup

Laxi

17th September 2009, 18:34

wot the whuck?

p.dath

17th September 2009, 18:36

Yawn. Is anyone outside of Whanganui that excited about it.

Why not choose another name altogether, like "Gang Patch Town", oh, they just banned that.

peasea

17th September 2009, 18:44

Yawn. Is anyone outside of Whanganui that excited about it.

Why not choose another name altogether, like "Gang Patch Town", oh, they just banned that.

I'm going to address any mail I have to send to the town "FONGANUI" just to awkward.

short-circuit

17th September 2009, 18:48

Glad to see the local Iwi get their way and to see the smile wiped off the sycophantic Law's face.:2thumbsup

Hell yeah!!!

Laws shouts racist !!! Love the irony

Headbanger

17th September 2009, 18:55

A demonstration of massive arrogance for anyone to try and force a name change on a town against the will of the people that live there, and it could only happen due to the racist pandering that has infested so many groups responsible for administration in this backwards little country.

The arguments are just hot air, The people were asked and responded, It should have stopped at that point.

FJRider

17th September 2009, 18:55

Glad to see the local Iwi get their way and to see the smile wiped off the sycophantic Law's face.:2thumbsup

Its not all done and dusted yet. The Minister of Lands has to approve it yet. And Mr law will appeal ...

SixPackBack

17th September 2009, 19:01

Headbanger

17th September 2009, 19:06

Law's is the racist. Non coercive leadership is what is needed in Whanganui, and not totalitarian control.

Congratulations, Your comment is as anal as Mr Laws at his worst.

duckonin

17th September 2009, 19:13

wot the whuck?

not bad but,,:Playnice:Better if it was....whot the whuck

EJK

17th September 2009, 19:19

lhol!</10char>

FJRider

17th September 2009, 19:20

Law's is the racist. Non coercive leadership is what is needed in Whanganui, and not totalitarian control.

If he is as bad/unpopular as you claim/suggest. He will be out ... next election. Anybody betting he wont be ????

Maha

17th September 2009, 19:22

I now await 'Queenstownanui'....

SixPackBack

17th September 2009, 19:23

If he is as bad/unpopular as you claim/suggest. He will be out ... next election. Anybody betting he wont be ????

Uhhu..........Bush got two terms as well!?..........Says more about the collective intelligence of the district and not Law's per se.

FJRider

17th September 2009, 19:29

Uhhu..........Bush got two terms as well!?..........Says more about the collective intelligence of the district and not Law's per se.

As per usual in local goverment ... majority rules. If he has the vote of a MAJORITY of the local RESIDENTS ... he will make the rules.

You could live in Wanganui and vote against him. But leave your (eye) patch at ... where ever it is you are now.

Madmax

17th September 2009, 19:38

oh dear
http://www.carloslabs.com/node/16
:girlfight:

wbks

17th September 2009, 19:43

Law's is the racist. Non coercive leadership is what is needed in Whanganui, and not totalitarian control.

Huh, I would have thought a government following the wishes of its citizens was about as far from totalitarian as you can get, but what do I know:whistle:

mynameis

17th September 2009, 19:47

They need to get on with the real issues instead of wasting our taxpayer money over H.

Take in both and keep all parties happy like few other parts in NZ.

Mt Egmont, Taranaki.

Wanganui, Whanganui.

Skyryder

17th September 2009, 19:52

Well it's not a done deal yet. Maurice Williamson now has to make a decision to go with either the Geographic Board's recommendation or stay with the status quo.

Mind you at the risk of being accused of racial insensitivity and the long standing tradition that change is best the time will no doubt arrive when the city will be called Wonganui.

Skyryder

MisterD

17th September 2009, 19:57

time will no doubt arrive when the city will be called Wonganui.

Well apparently "Cooks Gardens" was named for the Chinese food vendors that set up there rather than the good Captain, so perhaps you're right...:dodge:

wbks

17th September 2009, 19:58

They need to get on with the real issues instead of wasting our taxpayer money over H.

Take in both and keep all parties happy like few other parts in NZ.

Mt Egmont, Taranaki.

Wanganui, Whanganui.Pretty much. There are (aparantly) no official names for the north and south islands either, so why not keep both.

Maki

17th September 2009, 20:01

I vote for Wonganui.

EJK

17th September 2009, 20:08

Oh wait, can I vote for Fuckatani?

Dak

17th September 2009, 20:19

Glad to see the local Iwi get their way and to see the smile wiped off the sycophantic Law's face.:2thumbsup

Like hell, the local bunch of Ken Mair asshole supporters can go and get stuffed!

Robbo

17th September 2009, 21:33

I now await 'Queenstownanui'....

Along with Whauckland, Whamilton, Whellington, Whinvercargill etc.
This trend could go on forever and could be coming to a town near you soon.
:soon:

wickle

17th September 2009, 21:39

I vote for Wonganui.
WANG a nui

PrincessBandit

17th September 2009, 21:42

W(h)ankanui? Honkynui?

(and I do have family who live there before I get flamed).

After all, I live in Manure-wa....

SMOKEU

17th September 2009, 21:43

Fuck changing the way the name is spelt. Leave it AIWI, and if you don't agree with me then start a new town and call it what ever the fuck you want.

cerberus

17th September 2009, 22:40

What I wouldn't mind knowing is why they think the 'h' belongs there in the first place. It has always been pronounced with a 'W' sound, not an 'F' sound. The Maori written language was designed (by an englishman) to be simple, there are no exceptions to the rules. 'Wh' makes an 'f' sound, the end.

See now if Whangarei was spelt without the 'h' I may understand them being a little peaved, but in all honesty, who cares apart from some angry school teacher and some bored people looking for a way to stir shit.

Maha

17th September 2009, 22:47

Headbanger

17th September 2009, 22:54

Pretty damn amazing that they can invent silent letters before they were even made aware of the concept of letters......

Seriously, The arguments for and against are just utter bullshit.

Maha

17th September 2009, 22:57

Pretty damn amazing that they can invent silent letters before they were even made aware of the concept of letters......

Seriously, The arguments for and against are just utter bullshit.

Correct, they might as well have just put an X in there.

Conquiztador

17th September 2009, 23:05

Correct, they might as well have just put an X in there.

There is an X in there. But it is a hidden X next to the silent H.

kneescraper

17th September 2009, 23:09

Jesus guys, the town voted NO...that fat bitch boogger oogga or what ever her name is should be told to fuck off along with that square headed twat from TV3 that interviewed and agreed with her.

Laws is coming from the point of view of his people, thats what a Mayor is employed to do, duh!

Im so sick of hearing all this shit, is Laws a black hater? No, hes calling it how it is, its real simple..why do people get so anti Laws when he simply states the fucken obvious. Now every other Maoris going to get on the band wagon and start fucking up this country even more...what a waste of tax payers money.....truth is....the main % of race on the doll is Maori but yet they want to take up more money on these patetic, time wasting trips.

Did you know that if you were to take a Maori to court over that person being a racist it would be kicked out of court. Under law, a Maori can not be a racist. BULL SHIT ISNT IT.

Maoris arnt racists, racism is a crime, and the huge % or Maoris are the criminals. And that my fellow riders is truth and Im not a racist....hell I might even be Maori?

oldrider

17th September 2009, 23:15

Well, after all it was "spelt" Whanganui in 1066 AD! So the people who didn't have a written language say! :confused:

Does it really matter enough to fight and argue over it? :bash:

Simply accept that both are acceptable but from now on it should be correctly spelt with an H. :hitcher:

Just encourage spelling it with an H from now on and within a few generations it will be the norm! :calm:

Who is Law's? And really, :whocares:

kneescraper

17th September 2009, 23:17

But why change something when the people of that town dont want to changed, your missing the point oldrider, 70 something % voted no...democracy?

kneescraper

17th September 2009, 23:21

The "majority rule" is often described as a characteristic feature of democracy, but without responsible government or constitutional protections of individual liberties from democratic power it is possible for dissenting individuals to be oppressed by the "tyranny of the majority". An essential process in representative democracies is competitive elections, that are fair both substantively[13] and procedurally.[14] Furthermore, freedom of political expression, freedom of speech and freedom of the press are essential so that citizens are informed and able to vote in their personal interests.[15][16]

Pulled from Wikipeadia, this thread makes me wonder if half you people know what a democracy is, after all NZ is a democratic country.

oldrider

17th September 2009, 23:35

NZ is a democratic country.

Yeah right! Just like it's close ally and trading partner "CHINA"! :shifty:

kneescraper

17th September 2009, 23:38

We are discussing democracy is the terms of the pubic or individuals making the choice they want, not one woman making the choice for them. On tonights news that large Maori woman said "this will be good for the (enter the Maori groups name)" Yes thats right, good for them...never mind the over 70 something percent of people that voted no.

McJim

17th September 2009, 23:43

This is just another display of the institutional racism that is the fall out from the treaty of Waitangi. One side is so racist that they don't even recognise individual nationalities but call them all "white pigs". Even a foreigner like me can recognise diferent Iwi.

I say drop Wanganui altogether and call it Birmingham, Edinburgh or somat British. You don't get too many complaints about how Dunedin is spelt do ya?

kneescraper

17th September 2009, 23:46

Quite right, Re-name all the towns and citys with English names.

Mekk

18th September 2009, 01:53

If it is an error, it should be corrected. Question is, why now?

I also can't dodge the irony of bikers fighting for a majority...

Gremlin

18th September 2009, 03:00

But why change something when the people of that town dont want to changed, your missing the point oldrider, 70 something % voted no...democracy?
Thats my point of view...

Not only are most against it... what the fuck does changing the name achieve? If I remember rightly, a lot of shops are saying they won't change their names (not to mention the enormous hassle, depending how far you go).

Then you have maps, GPS and their maps, seriously? Shouldn't they be thinking about more important things... like which outlying towns to absorb into a super city? :whistle:

Drogen Omen

18th September 2009, 07:18

they should have changed it to PH... Phanganui.... cause that's how its spelled isn't it??? or is the H a silent spy...:lol:

don't think any one else really gives a shit apart whakanuians (fukanuians)...

SixPackBack

18th September 2009, 07:27

Looks like Law's is full of shit [as many of us already knew]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10598071

Iwi say Wanganui mayor Michael Laws approached them about a compromise on putting an "h" into the city's name, but was told unequivocally there was none.
Mr Laws, who derided as "racist" the NZ Geographic Board's recommendation that Wanganui change to Whanganui yesterday, denies that happened.
Sources said Mr Laws met Whanganui Maori 10 days ago and asked if they would be happy with the city's name being known as "Wanganui/Whanganui."
But the double-barrelled name was unacceptable.

tri boy

18th September 2009, 07:30

Headbangerville has a nice ring to it.
I've bought some paint n brushes and heading to the anus of the nth island to touch up the signage.
Should be able to earn a quid or two.

short-circuit

18th September 2009, 07:39

trustme

18th September 2009, 07:40

The day that maori leaders like Mair & Turia take a stand against the gangs & say it is not Ok to peddle drugs to our kids.
The day maori leaders start taking a real stand against domestic violence & the high rate of infant mortality [ murder ] amongst maori
The day the maori leaders start to develop programs to reduce the overrepresentaion of maori in our jails & on our dole queues.
The day that maori leadership starts to take real meaningful steps towards improving the lot of joe average maori & getting them better educated.

That is the day I will happily put an H in Wanganui, that is the day we will begin to make real progress.

wbks

18th September 2009, 08:01

Since when was democracy used to decide on the correct spelling of a language - get a grip retards....

Shouting you're a racist first is like the person in the room who's usually first to detect a fart.

If the democratic argument stood up - we'd be speaking chinese or indianIt's not about the spelling of a language, it's about not bending over to change the name of a place that has been there for 130 years just because a small group of people come along and want to change it. But because they're Maori, somehow their opinion is more important than 70% of Wanganui.

Headbanger

18th September 2009, 08:08

merv

18th September 2009, 08:13

So how come when the English speaking missionaries came out here and heard the Maoris speaking they didn't translate the "f" sound to be an "f' therefore spelling it for them as Fonganui?

Whangarei should have been Fongaray.

Somehow I don't think the Maoris could have been saying it as a hard 'f" else it would have got spelt like they were.

Anyway I'm all for two names. In a bi-cultural country both languages should have their own spelling of names and they can both go on signs.

wbks

18th September 2009, 08:18

Anyway I'm all for two names. In a bi-cultural country both languages should have their own spelling of names and they can both go on signs.There are two cultures in NZ?

davereid

18th September 2009, 08:22

So how come when the English speaking missionaries came out here and heard the Maoris speaking they didn't translate the "f" sound to be an "f' therefore spelling it for them as Fonganui?

Other Pacific Islands that have maori - tahitian as their root language are full of place names said with an F. Pretty clearly, if europeans heard an F in the name, thats how they spelled it.

Language is dynamic. The version of English that my grandchildren use is dynamically different in pronounciation, grammer, and even word usage to that used by my grandfather.

I guess we are now to change all place names as their pronounciation changes with time. New Zealand will become Nu Zilland, Auckland will become Orklund, and Eketahuna is fucked.

merv

18th September 2009, 08:26

There are two cultures in NZ?

According to the Treaty yes, that's what it is legally, and the two languages (along with sign language I think) are the official languages of the Nation.

Those of other cultures are lumped into the "rest" being "Tangata Tiriti".

FROSTY

18th September 2009, 08:33

Law's is the racist. Non coercive leadership is what is needed in Whanganui, and not totalitarian control.

Dude are you taking the piss? PLEASE tell me you are.
Totally ignoring if you like or dislike the people concerned
The way I see it is if 50.0001% of the voting population voted for the name change then hey thats democracy at work --all good.
But when my a huge margin the voting population voted NOT to change the name then that should be the end of it.
That to me is racism at its very worst.

Swoop

18th September 2009, 08:45

Jesus guys, the town voted NO...

Laws is coming from the point of view of his people, thats what a Mayor is employed to do, duh!
A remarkable change from a politician... taking direction from the electorate who he is working for.

Nice post. Bling to you!

SixPackBack

18th September 2009, 08:47

Racism is a funny thing in NZ.

People, Like Short-Circuit and SPB have been hoodwinked into believing that special compensation must be made to one specific race at all times or its racist, when the exact oposite is true.

This view of Maori is condescending and degrading, and those I know would be insulted deeply if I tried to treat them as less capable and in need of special treatment due to their race. I respect those I know too much as people to ever think along those lines.

At the end of the day it fosters a culture of the world owes me a living, which just courts failure and dependence on the state.

The name Wanganui was decided upon by the city forefathers 170 years ago, and to this day the people of Wanganui are happy with it, There is no mistake to be corrected.

Christ what a fuss over the letter 'H':calm:

Yeah I agree with you to a certain extent headbanger, certainly having Maori only seats in the supercity scares the shit out me. But lets get a grip placing the 'H' into Wanganui hardly rates a mention, the folk that care the most are from the same group that [questionably] cause most of your gang problems!?....getting them onside by changing a few sign posts would seem to be a no brainer.

Retention of Mana [self respect], upholding the treaty [both Pakeha and Maori signed], non coercive leadership [law's is incapable of this], losing the gang patch ban.......These are all pointers that would quickly turn Wanganui around!

As far as Law's is concerned; he is a self serving shit stirrer playing on the very worst of Wanganui's collective intelligence [or lack off]. Other individuals in history have been able to foster the same kind of collective negative response [I will not mention his name]....Law's is of the same elk...

Flatcap

18th September 2009, 08:48

The ironic thing is that the Wanganui ratepayers who voted against the change will now have to pay via rates to physically make the name change.

That would be somewhat annoying...

imdying

18th September 2009, 08:54

77% of Wanganui reckon the niggers can eat a dick... what about their rights? The irony is that most of the coons are illiterate and will be txting it as 'da nui bro' anyway, so another consonant will make fuck all difference. Still there is hope... we've managed to avoid adding to the apartheid in NZ by telling them to shove their super city seats, maybe Williamson will see sense here too.

wbks

18th September 2009, 08:56

R6_kid

18th September 2009, 08:59

I look forward to the racing at the Fonga-nui Cemetery Circuit this year.

short-circuit

18th September 2009, 09:04

we've managed to avoid adding to the apartheid in NZ by telling them to shove their super city seats, maybe Williamson will see sense here too.

:scratch:

I have always been under the impression that you would love apartheid. Seems like just your thing

MSTRS

18th September 2009, 09:11

As I said in that earlier thread, there is no collective agreement and 70+% are against changing the name. For the right reason. And nowhere has it been said that the other 30odd% are for the change...might be 1% for, and 29% don't care.
And to those that say 'Where's the harm?' ... what's going on in Wanganui is just a small part of the ultimate agenda of a militant minority. Like a war, this is merely one of the battles. And if they win this one, then they will move onto their next objective.

FJRider

18th September 2009, 09:17

And to those that say 'Where's the harm?' ... what's going on in Wanganui is just a small part of the ultimate agenda of a militant minority. Like a war, this is merely one of the battles. And if they win this one, then they will move onto their next objective.

Perhaps ... Maori being taught in schools as a compulsory subject...

MisterD

18th September 2009, 09:19

the correct spelling of a language

The point is, there is no "correct" spelling. Maori is still a very young language in written terms, all "grown up" languages go though this kind of thing as they develop their written forms.

Once upon a time there were something like 16 different English spellings of the word "church" (it was Henry V's chancery that started to impose a standardised spelling of English words)...one of my ancestors had our family name spelt three different ways when he was born, married and died.

Standardisation is important for words used for communication, for names not so much, that's down to the people that carry them, or live in the places concerned.

For my money Willie Jackson, Tariana or Ken Mair telling Michael Laws' constituents that they spell Wanganui wrong is like a "Smith" telling a "Smyth" that they spell their name wrong.

It's utter bollocks.

short-circuit

18th September 2009, 09:33

The point is, there is no "correct" spelling. Maori is still a very young language in written terms, all "grown up" languages go though this kind of thing as they develop their written forms.

Once upon a time there were something like 16 different English spellings of the word "church" (it was Henry V's chancery that started to impose a standardised spelling of English words)...one of my ancestors had our family name spelt three different ways when he was born, married and died.

Standardisation is important for words used for communication, for names not so much, that's down to the people that carry them, or live in the places concerned.

For my money Willie Jackson, Tariana or Ken Mair telling Michael Laws' constituents that they spell Wanganui wrong is like a "Smith" telling a "Smyth" that they spell their name wrong.

It's utter bollocks.

What is utter bollocks is the Furore being manufactured (by Laws the Weasel) and the buy in of white covert racists.

The examples you just gave are utterly ridiculous (and a red herring):

Neither are cross-cultural examples.

AND, your second example unwittingly proves the point of Maori - they don't need to be told by someone else how their language works. It's up to them to define or refine that don'tcha think?

Headbanger

18th September 2009, 09:40

AND, your second example unwittingly proves the point of Maori - they don't need to be told by someone else how their language works. It's up to them to define or refine that don'tcha think?

Perhaps they should have written it down in the first place then?

Clockwork

18th September 2009, 09:48

Dunno, it seems to me that if the supporting argument for change is that in Maori, whanga means port/harbour and nui means big then surely the correct spelling should be Whanga-nui or Whanga Nui

Headbanger

18th September 2009, 09:52

Christ what a fuss over the letter 'H':calm:

Yeah I agree with you to a certain extent headbanger, certainly having Maori only seats in the supercity scares the shit out me. But lets get a grip placing the 'H' into Wanganui hardly rates a mention, the folk that care the most are from the same group that [questionably] cause most of your gang problems!?....getting them onside by changing a few sign posts would seem to be a no brainer.

But the H isn't the point, Hell if that's what the people wanted then I'd be more then happy with it,The point is the will of the people is being ignored, Effectively the people of Wanganui have been told they have no say over the town they live in. None.

Its a Maori issue, New Zealanders can just shut the fuck up. Race based policy wins on the day.

Its a sad day for NZ.

SixPackBack

18th September 2009, 09:58

But the H isn't the point, Hell if that's what the people wanted then I'd be more then happy with it,The point is the will of the people is being ignored, Effectively the people of Wanganui have been told they have no say over the town they live in. None.

Its a Maori issue, New Zealanders can just shut the fuck up. Race based policy wins on the day.

Its a sad day for NZ.

Get a grip man.

oldrider

18th September 2009, 10:08

MisterD

18th September 2009, 10:23

The examples you just gave are utterly ridiculous (and a red herring):

Neither are cross-cultural examples.

No, it's you that is wheeling out the fish. What's to say that Wanganui is the correct spelling and the others are wrong? Nothing, it's all completely arbitrary.

Cross-cultural has nothing to do with it, there are probably dozens of place names in the UK that derive from Celtic / Saxon / Danish / French sources that have similar meanings and varying spellings.

AND, your second example unwittingly proves the point of Maori - they don't need to be told by someone else how their language works. It's up to them to define or refine that don'tcha think?

Wrong wrong wrong. A language is unfortunately (speaking as a paid up member of BDOTGNZA) "owned" by everyone who speaks it and there's nothing any group can do to change that...the French have tried and are failing miserably...

This though, is about a name which is "owned" by those that live in the town that bears it. My personal feeling is that the story of how it got it's unusual spelling because of the way local Maori dialect sounded is an interesting historical quirk which makes the place stand out a bit...the rush by local Maori to be standardised will mean that eventually the pronunciation will change and that story will be lost and they will ultimately be the losers.

imdying

18th September 2009, 10:27

Get a grip man. Why? Cause he doesn't agree with your racist attitude? I can only guess that you're porking some fat Maori bitch these days, the result of which is clouded judgement :girlfight:

SixPackBack

18th September 2009, 10:30

This message is hidden because imdying is on your ignore list (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/profile.php?do=ignorelist).

..............and has been for some time.

imdying

18th September 2009, 10:34

Heh, and I know that yet you still read them... bahahahahahahahah

FROSTY

18th September 2009, 10:51

Christ what a fuss over the letter 'H':calm:

Yeah I agree with you to a certain extent headbanger, certainly having Maori only seats in the supercity scares the shit out me. But lets get a grip placing the 'H' into Wanganui hardly rates a mention,
AHH SIR --- Here is the utter nub of NZ politics at its very best :2thumbsup
Whilst the media is focussing the countrys attention on the whole H issue they are not paying attention to the Supercity.
Slide the important legislation by whilst the people are looking the other way.
So in a few weeks the country caves in over the H issue --meanwhile its too late re maori seats for the supercity.
Sleight of hand at its best

SixPackBack

18th September 2009, 10:57

AHH SIR --- Here is the utter nub of NZ politics at its very best :2thumbsup
Whilst the media is focussing the countrys attention on the whole H issue they are not paying attention to the Supercity.
Slide the important legislation by whilst the people are looking the other way.
So in a few weeks the country caves in over the H issue --meanwhile its too late re maori seats for the supercity.
Sleight of hand at its best

You could well be right Tony. The only way I see Maori seats being acceptable on super city is with the inclusion of Chinese seats, Samoan seats, seats for the young, old, female, sick etc, etc......................:zzzz:It all starts getting a little silly!

FROSTY

18th September 2009, 11:14

Actually-- I represent a minorory group
The White male car sales bike riding group.

short-circuit

18th September 2009, 11:19

Wrong wrong wrong. A language is unfortunately (speaking as a paid up member of BDOTGNZA) "owned" by everyone who speaks it and there's nothing any group can do to change that...the French have tried and are failing miserably...

This though, is about a name which is "owned" by those that live in the town that bears it. My personal feeling is that the story of how it got it's unusual spelling because of the way local Maori dialect sounded is an interesting historical quirk which makes the place stand out a bit...the rush by local Maori to be standardised will mean that eventually the pronunciation will change and that story will be lost and they will ultimately be the losers.

Please explain - you've just offered two contradictory positions

Just to add historical context - As was the experience of my Gaelic ancestors, Maori sustained an deliberate attempted extinction of their language through colonisation........need I continue?

kneescraper

18th September 2009, 11:23

Jesus and it carrys on. This thread is about as much use as a cock flavoured lolly pop....why do I even bother you ask....I like to argue.

The H only really came to the Maoris attention in the early 2000's, in 1864 I think it was the local Maoris got some arty farty person to paint a painting of the Wonganewee river, it was labeled with out the H. Now this is from the local true Maoris....if these modern half Maori mixes think they know more than their true blooded cuzzies they are in for a shock.

Point is, the public said no, they will use the word more than the 20 something % will, those ones will just call it their "pad cuz".

On the subject of Laws being a racist, I do follow the guy but dont agree with everything he has to say....BUT!!! The media (in all its corruptness) doesnt always portray people as they really are. Dont judge shit from the 6 oclock news, do some research people. Easy!

Clockwork

18th September 2009, 11:24

You could well be right Tony. The only way I see Maori seats being acceptable on super city is with the inclusion of Chinese seats, Samoan seats, seats for the young, old, female, sick etc, etc......................:zzzz:It all starts getting a little silly!

I reckon Maori Seats on the Auckland City Council are inevitable. Those requesting them will piss and moan long enough that they will be bought off to shut them up in just the same way as this W(h)anganui debate will end.

Maurice will side with the Maori Party on the Wanganui dispute to keep them sweet and to make up for not siding with them over the Supercity. Then whichever party needs the Maori Party after the next election will make that deal as and when neccessary.

The foreshore and seabed act will go this way too!

kneescraper

18th September 2009, 11:34

I wrote this a couple of pages back

Now every other Maoris going to get on the band wagon and start fucking up this country even more...what a waste of tax payers money.....truth is....the main % of race on the doll is Maori but yet they want to take up more money on these patetic, time wasting trips.

Now we have this guy up north wanting to rename the whole town with Maori names, we have other people coming out of the wood work wanting to rename things...this is going to cost the tax payer more than those stupid arse auckland roads. And what is the advantage of all this renaming....well....these bros are going to have to start up a gov' agentcy to handle all of this renaming...there will be a branch in every town to handle all of the "name changes" and will have to employee 100's of only Maori employee's which will swallow up millions of tax payers money each yeah.

Now I want to clear something up, SIXPACK..whatever the rest it, you gave me a red rep...cool..however how can YOU call me a racist when your downing every view that comes against the Maoris...arnt you also being a racsit agasnt the white folk? Contradiction my friend.

wbks

18th September 2009, 12:11

Please explain - you've just offered two contradictory positions

Just to add historical context - As was the experience of my Gaelic ancestors, Maori sustained an deliberate attempted extinction of their language through colonisation........need I continue?Sure they did. But that effects the H in Wanganui, how?
But the H isn't the point, Hell if that's what the people wanted then I'd be more then happy with it,The point is the will of the people is being ignored, Effectively the people of Wanganui have been told they have no say over the town they live in. None.

Its a Maori issue, New Zealanders can just shut the fuck up. What do you have to say about this? Practically the entire town has said what they want, but because a small group of Maori think they know best, 70% of the entire town has been told to STFU and is called racist or culturally insensitive if they don't agree.

short-circuit

18th September 2009, 12:23

Sure they did. But that effects the H in Wanganui, how?

Colonisation is about creating a dominant discourse/worldview.

Maori need to be the guardians of their own language - the fact that is was initially not a written language is irrelevant.

Whanganui might be a place where people live their lives, but is a Maori placename and a source of identity (within their worldview).

Their identity - they do the defining.

Pretty simple I would have thought

wbks

18th September 2009, 12:30

When you put it that way it sounds pretty reasonable. But as I understand it there was until recently, like English a few hundred years ago, no one set dialect or way of spelling certain words in Maori, so couldn't have Wanganui been a perfectly fine way of spelling it for the Maori in the area at the time? And there's nothing to say that the 30% odd for changing it are all Maori, or that the 70% wanting to keep it are "other".

Headbanger

18th September 2009, 12:32

Pretty simple I would have thought

Only from the view point that our brown skin brethren have more rights due to their race then all other New Zealanders.

Maori (though keep it in perspective its only a tiny tiny minority of maori who want the named changed,Mainly the political ones and the shit stirrers) are of course free to call any place anything they like, thats a big step away from renaming a town against the wishes of the people that live there.

McJim

18th September 2009, 12:33

I've changed my mind. Give it an 'H' to mimic the real way it is actually pronounced. Wanghanui. 'Nuf said. I will send a bill for $500,000 to the NZ Govt. as ethnic consultancy fees. After all, I grew up as a native in a land where no bugger could speak my ethnic language or probounce my ethnic placenames so I know what I'm talking about :rofl:

Flatcap

18th September 2009, 12:35

After all, I grew up as a native in a land where no bugger could speak my ethnic language or probounce my ethnic placenames so I know what I'm talking about :rofl:

What, like Dunedin, you mean?

McJim

18th September 2009, 12:38

What, like Dunedin, you mean?

I'm not mean ya racist bastard! :Pokey: :rofl:

Headbanger

18th September 2009, 12:57

have a thui in Whanganui

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spacemonkey

18th September 2009, 13:31

Personally I think it's worth doing the Whanganui name change just to see the vein on Mayor Lhaws forehead pop. :lol:

MisterD

18th September 2009, 14:12

Please explain - you've just offered two contradictory positions

Just to add historical context - As was the experience of my Gaelic ancestors, Maori sustained an deliberate attempted extinction of their language through colonisation........need I continue?

Not at all contradictory, language as a means of day to day communication. Names, although they have have meanings rooted in a particular language are somewhat independent of that...

As to historical context, my Anglo-Saxon ancestors also sustained a deliberate attempted extinction of their language, but that language proved in the final analysis to be far superior to both Norse and French...

I really don't particularly give a flying whatever how any town is spelt (I'm still campaigning on silencing the "w" in Renwick though) I just can't help being irritated by this illogical argument over "correct" spelling of a name.

I think the best solution all around is, since we have two official languages, give any major settlement an official Maori name alongside it's "English" name. The tourist punters'll lap it up...

allycatz

18th September 2009, 14:53

So when does the 'H' go in 'Whinz' (winz) then......?

Oakie

18th September 2009, 15:02

I haven't read any of this thread so at the risk of repeating what someone else may have said ... my understanding was that the Maori didn't even have a written language before the Europeans arrived so what is being corrected is actually the European spelling derived from indigenous phoentics. The spelling 'Wanganui' was probably an accurate representation of the phoenetics the Europeans were faced with given the local iwi's pronunciation which is more like a 'Waanganui'. But of course Europeans don't tend to like two 'a's together (unless it's in an 'aardvark') so they called it 'Wanganui'.

Up until now I've been quite comfortable with the notion that it should be 'corrected' to 'Wh' ... but now I'm thinking that perhaps 'Waanganui' might be even more correct and give respect to the proper pronunciation of the word in regard to the local iwi.

MisterD

18th September 2009, 15:06

Perhaps the best solution is actually to give the Maoris a pencil and paper and ask them to come back when they've got an alphabet?

imdying

18th September 2009, 15:22

Up until now I've been quite comfortable with the notion that it should be 'corrected' to 'Wh' ... but now I'm thinking that perhaps 'Waanganui' might be even more correct and give respect to the proper pronunciation of the word in regard to the local iwi.Yeah, I like that idea... spell it so that all Kiwis (and visitors) have a good chance of pronouncing it in the same way as the local iwi... Maori is still a pretty young language, if they're modifying it (or evolving it rather), why not make it easier for people to take up (given it's an official language and all)... adapt, survive, conquer... that has to be better than it dying out through lack of use.

Headbanger

18th September 2009, 15:23

Considering the Maori word for banana is....wait for it....Panana, I'd imagine asking them to come up with an alphabet would be an exorcise in taking massive shortcuts.

a.....d.......c.......b......

SPman

18th September 2009, 15:25

MSTRS

18th September 2009, 15:28

Maha

18th September 2009, 15:35

MSTRS

18th September 2009, 15:38

Take the H out of White and its still White...Wite??
Put it back in and still White, cant see why putting an H into Wanganui will change anything, apart form signs etc. Its not illegal to say you live in Wanganui, the local people will not be arrested for mispronouncing a word.

But the local agitators that want the change will NOT be paying for all the changed signs etc. And if individual businesses that incorporate Wanganui in their name don't change it on their signs - graffiti, petrol bombs, that sort of thing.

Maha

18th September 2009, 15:41

But the local agitators that want the change will NOT be paying for all the changed signs etc. And if individual businesses that incorporate Wanganui in their name don't change it on their signs - graffiti, petrol bombs, that sort of thing.

There has been the odd time when someone/s changed the R in Warkworth to an N making it Wankworth, I think thats to funny....:lol:

Sidewinder

18th September 2009, 15:43

vote for the new white mans seat in the gouverment

Swoop

18th September 2009, 15:43

Tell them to spell it in Binary.

01010111011000010110111001100111011000010110111001 11010101101001.

EJK

18th September 2009, 15:46

Tell them to spell it in Binary.

01010111011000010110111001100111011000010110111001 11010101101001.

VGhhdCdzIGEgZ29vZCBpZGVhIFN3b29w

MSTRS

18th September 2009, 15:48

There has been the odd time when someone/s changed the R in Warkworth to an N making it Wankworth, I think thats to funny....:lol:

Yeah but nah but...
As a signie, I can only imagine how much such a change can cost. Let's face it, it's not just changing a letter. Adding one increases the length of the word, putting the whole sign out of balance. So there goes another few hundy just on the board. Not to mention all the wording etc. One sign can cost thousands. Then you got your old buildings with the then 'Wanganui' in relief on the facade. Mega bucks to change that.
As I said, it's all very well for a few ne'er-do-wells to try and force a change, but they aren't paying, are they? And for what? A misguided belief that a spelling denotes how it's said? Not.

SixPackBack

18th September 2009, 15:53

Yeah but nah but...
As a signie, I can only imagine how much such a change can cost. Let's face it, it's not just changing a letter. Adding one increases the length of the word, putting the whole sign out of balance. So there goes another few hundy just on the board. Not to mention all the wording etc. One sign can cost thousands. Then you got your old buildings with the then 'Wanganui' in relief on the facade. Mega bucks to change that.
As I said, it's all very well for a few ne'er-do-wells to try and force a change, but they aren't paying, are they? And for what? A misguided belief that a spelling denotes how it's said? Not.

Whaddayamoaninabout?.......Pack up yer paintbrushes and get your arse down to wanganui, whanganui, fongernewee.....Bribe the local Iwi and your set to go:whistle:

MSTRS

18th September 2009, 16:09

Whaddayamoaninabout?.......Pack up yer paintbrushes and get your arse down to wanganui, whanganui, fongernewee.....Bribe the local Iwi and your set to go:whistle:

You mean actually go and stay in that shithole? :sick: :whistle:
Nah...I'd rather stay here and agitate for a spelling change for Napier. Naypia should do it. That's how it's said, and same length too, see. That's just me saving money for the poor bastards that will have to fork out...

SixPackBack

18th September 2009, 16:16

You mean actually go and stay in that shithole? :sick: :whistle:
Nah...I'd rather stay here and agitate for a spelling change for Napier. Naypia should do it. That's how it's said, and same length too, see. That's just me saving money for the poor bastards that will have to fork out...

I hear you, wanganui is a bit of a shit hole....What you need is a napier name change that will create a bit of work, start lobbying the local Iwi and get them to change it to: 'Taumata whakatangi hangakoauau o tamatea turi pukakapiki maunga horo nuku pokai whenua kitanatahu'..........now the link to napier is a little tenuos for sure, but think of the work:2thumbsup

MSTRS

18th September 2009, 16:19

Actually Ahuriri will do. Problem here of course, is that we'd definitely need two names...one for what was here before 1931 and one for after ;)

merv

18th September 2009, 16:33

I drove through Fonganui on Wednesday, does that help?

Maha

18th September 2009, 16:42

Actually Ahuriri will do. Problem here of course, is that we'd definitely need two names...one for what was here before 1931 and one for after ;)

Go and chuck an extra A on the end of this bastard, see how long it takes before anyone picks up on it?...

short-circuit

18th September 2009, 16:43

I drove through Fonganui on Wednesday, does that help?

No it doesn't you poof, you should haven't ridden through

Robbo

18th September 2009, 17:09

sidecar bob

18th September 2009, 17:16

Go and chuck an extra A on the end of this bastard, see how long it takes before anyone picks up on it?...

What fucked up bunch of idiots that didnt even have their own written language 200 years ago would give a place a name like that?

PrincessBandit

18th September 2009, 17:57

What fucked up bunch of idiots that didnt even have their own written language 200 years ago would give a place a name like that?

The Welsh?

SixPackBack

20th September 2009, 07:34

Law's at it again......

Michael Laws is embroiled in fresh controversy after an email exchange went viral.
Aucklander Brendon Madden-Smith wrote to the Wanganui mayor taking issue with the claim that the New Zealand Geographic Board was wrong to recommend the city should be spelled Whanganui.
Madden-Smith made reference to Laws' strongly worded letter to "angry" school children: "Now the people of Wanganui (according to you) are 'angry, upset and disappointed'. Maybe they should just get over it and start worrying about important issues like child abuse and murder."
Laws replied: "Maybe you should grow a brain."
The correspondence quickly degenerated into abuse from both parties. Madden-Smith wrote to Laws, "credibility going down, down, down," to which the mayor replied, "Jerk, jerk, jerk."
Laws was unrepentant yesterday and stood by his strong words. Laws said he would not moderate his style of communication. "I am sick and tired of people who do not live here trying to ram their liberal political ideology down our throats."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10598419

Outstanding leadership skills:no:

Mekk

21st September 2009, 18:37

"I am sick and tired of people who do not live here trying to ram their liberal political ideology down our throats."

He's got a point.

SixPackBack

21st September 2009, 18:46

He's got a point.

That he would like to create a totalitarian dictatorship, rename Wanganui -"Michaellawistan", enslave the local Maori population, create a local junta answerable to him only, and tell the rest of NZ to fuck off?

Yeah I get his point, but do not agree with the CUNT.:2guns:

Mekk

21st September 2009, 19:00

SixPackBack

21st September 2009, 19:07

You would prefer the whole country had a referendum on the naming?

You seriously believe that the country should have a referendum on adding a silent letter to a place name?

Headbanger

21st September 2009, 19:15

That he would like to create a totalitarian dictatorship, rename Wanganui -"Michaellawistan", enslave the local Maori population, create a local junta answerable to him only, and tell the rest of NZ to fuck off?

Yeah I get his point, but do not agree with the CUNT.:2guns:

Are you a bit simple?, You have no comprehension of Wanganui or our Mayor, and your comments are borderline retarded. Sure as hell have nothing to do with reality.You should seriously learn to shut the fuck up. Fools like yourself are the last people that should be contributing to any debate. Fuck your dumb.

SixPackBack

21st September 2009, 19:17

Are you a bit simple?, You have no comprehension of Wanganui or our Mayor, and your comments are borderline retarded. Sure as hell have nothing to do with reality.You should seriously learn to shut the fuck up. Fools like yourself are the last people that should be contributing to any debate. Fuck your dumb.

Try debate instead of abuse to explain yourself. I will let you off this time.

Headbanger

21st September 2009, 19:20

The abuse is fitting. A spade is a spade. Somethings have no room for debate.

SixPackBack

21st September 2009, 19:24

The abuse is fitting. A spade is a spade. Somethings have no room for debate.

You sound like Law's, unable to enter into reasoned debate and abusive when someone dares to disagree.

Mekk

21st September 2009, 19:29

You seriously believe that the country should have a referendum on adding a silent letter to a place name?

No, I don't.

That was a question.

SixPackBack

21st September 2009, 19:35

No, I don't.

That was a question.

No I don't Mekk. The 'H' in Wanganui has been blown completley out of proportion.

Mekk

21st September 2009, 19:50

No I don't Mekk. The 'H' in Wanganui has been blown completley out of proportion.

I dunno, part of your spiel was taking exception to Laws telling the rest of NZ to fuck off. Do you care or not?

I think most people just hate him because he's outspoken.

SixPackBack

21st September 2009, 20:09

I dunno, part of your spiel was taking exception to Laws telling the rest of NZ to fuck off. Do you care or not?

I think most people just hate him because he's outspoken.

Law's leadership style brings out the very worst in people, his efforts so far have created division both within Wanganui and NZ. Someone with true vision would be welcoming the opportunity to get the local Iwi onside [people who may have some influence over gangs], by putting the 'H' into Wanganui.
Instead he chases the red neck votes and abuses school kids.

Headbanger

21st September 2009, 20:38

SixPackBack

21st September 2009, 21:01

So, he should go against the will of the people who elected him in order to placate a minority of a minority who never gave a damn until they found the could use it as political leverage?

And this makes him a cunt and a totalitarian dictator.

Your a Jafa right?

Not sure what my background has anything to do with Law's performance or your personal view of me?......For the record, I'm English and have lived many years in the U.K, the Gold Coast and NZ.

Putting numbers to who voted for what and how Law's is representing his voters is unlikely to be dealt with fairly on this forum. Fair to say that most voters did not vote Law's in just to keep the 'H' out of Wanganui......Political leverage is a strong term to use for a simple phonetic name change.

I think you have lost perspective, there must be far more important issues in Wanganui, and I think its interesting that Law's has rather skillfully made this the major problem and that people buy his shit!

Headbanger

21st September 2009, 21:10

You do realise Laws runs city wide referendums that are binding on the council and so far two of them have addressed the H inclusion and at the last one 77 percent of voters rejected it?

Funny way for a totalitarian dictator to act?

You do realise Wanganui has been the centre of the separatist movement (now that's some real world division tactics) for 20 years and we have all sorts of bullshit going on here in that time?

But no, you wouldn't know, Your local understanding is zero, as demonstrated by the fairyland bullshit that somehow laws embracing a race based agenda against the will of the people that live here would cause the local IWI to do something about the gangs....as if they could, Those fuckers don't give a fuck.

LMFAO, I saw a mobster with his P woman in the shop the other day, I should have asked his scribble face if he'd change his ways if we added an H. Though he'd probably just be thinking he should have stabbed me in the face before I opened my mouth.

SixPackBack

21st September 2009, 21:27

You do realise Laws runs city wide referendums that are binding on the council and so far two have them have address the H inclusuin and at the last one 77 percent of voters rejected it?

Funny way for a totalitarian dictator to act?

You do realise Wanganui has been the centre of the separatist movement for 20 years and we have all sorts of bullshit going on here in that time?

But no, you wouldn't know, Your local understanding is zero, as demonstrated by the fairyland bullshit that somehow laws embracing a race based agenda against the will of the people that live here would cause the local IWI to do something about the gangs....as if they could, Those fuckers don't give a fuck.

LMFAO, I saw a mobster with his P woman in the shop the other day, I should have asked his scribble face if he'd change his ways if we added an H. Though he'd probably just be thinking he should have stabbed me in the face before I opened my mouth.

'Local bullshit' as you call it should be viewed as a challenge to a REAL leader, and not something to cause further division [as Law's is doing].......His totalitarian behaviour therefore is not in the best interests of NZ. As for who voted for what, 77% is a number that still might not encompass the collective view of the community, many might not bother voting; additionally as previously mentioned having a fair discussion without cold hard facts does not help either party!?

Your view is certainly badly tainted and hardly representative-Law's feeds off your fear and closed mind.

Headbanger

21st September 2009, 22:05

Ah, so after having the highest yet reply for a referendum and receiving massive support for the direction taken we should instead count all the people who didn't bother to contribute and just imagine they opposed it strongly and we should do what we imagine all these imaginary votes would have said in your imagination?

Seriously, You ever heard of democracy?, what is inherent in a democratic action that you would oppose it, and at that oppose it with such uninformed dribble. This carry on about totalitarian behaviour is just odd.

eelracing

21st September 2009, 22:18

This carry on about totalitarian behaviour is just odd.

He's English...just can't help himself.

Can't be having the peasants getting all uppity,it just won't do old bean.

jeffs

21st September 2009, 23:59

A referendum is a vote by all enrolled electors on a question.

A binding referendum requires the result to be acted upon or implemented.

An indicative referendum does not require the result to be acted upon or implemented. Citizens initiated referenda are indicative or non-binding.

There is only one question.

1. Can anyone tell me if in NZ there has ever been a "Indicative Referendum" that has ever changed the law or a political decision ?

Based on the answer to question 1, Why did people even bother voting in a local referendum in, XXXXXXX, (name removed to stop the shouting ) as the only people with a real vote, were the New Zealand Geographic Board. The people of XXXXX where never part of the equation.

Popular opinion in NZ has never changed anything. I vote in elections because I can, not because I think it will make a difference.

candor

22nd September 2009, 00:01

Laws would be challenged keeping up with the IQ of a hedgehog. He is like some left over from Jo'annesburg. Hard to believe the puffed up cretin is Kiwi.

To imagine that it was even defensible to have every Wanganuite vote on the towns name was plain racist.

Erm Wanganui is a Maori name therefore leave the spellcheck up to Maori to correct if need be - doh! And hello, their way of deciding may not even involve British innovations like voting either. Such decisions I guess usually fall to the chiefs and cheiftainesses with mana whenua. So that means not all those outsider Maori or Tokelauans that cruised on in.

I think the new definition for outrageously OTT impertinent in the Oxford concise might just be "Mikey Laws". It is quite easy to imagine exactly how he would perform if ever accused of murder. It'd be pot kettle and yes but....

jeffs

22nd September 2009, 00:27

Only you can decide in this non-binding vote. Please feel free to vote as many time as you like it wont make a difference to the outcome. The vote is rigged as usual.

1. We lobbied the NZGB to correcting an injustice, because we always said the name was wrong and no one listened to us ?
2. We lobbied the NZGB because we wanted racial harmony in your town, and we know by changing the name it could be reached ?
3. We understand that buy changing the name of our town, the cost of changing all signs, maps, letterheads .... Would be over looked by the people of our town, because its fare that we correct the injustice done by spelling out towns name wrong ?
4. If we kick up this storm, people will over look the real problems our town is suffering from ?
5. If we stair up Laws, he will implode under his own steam, and every one outside XXXX will hate him, not us ?
6. The NZGB should have agreed to have two spellings, so we could all live in harmony, we get what we want and it does not cost the town anything ?

BTW I don't like Laws, but the job Scapegoat can be added to his CV now.

Forest

22nd September 2009, 02:10

1. Can anyone tell me if in NZ there has ever been a "Indicative Referendum" that has ever changed the law or a political decision ?

Is this a trick question?

Have you forgotten how we ended up with MMP?

SixPackBack

22nd September 2009, 05:51

He's English...just can't help himself.

Can't be having the peasants getting all uppity,it just won't do old bean.

Great line of defence. Unfortunately the last time this 'pom' lived in the UK was 1972

You and headbanger share the same parochial traits-find out if the opponent is from somewhere other than Wanganui and attack the man not the ball. If your attitudes are representative of the red neck wonderland you both live in I an see how someone as shallow and self serving as Law's has rallied the 'tobacco chewers'........

REAL leadership encompasses ALL of the community, it binds the populace [not divides].

As for the 77% who voted headbanger, that number comes from only 60% of the population-hardly earth shattering!

SixPackBack

22nd September 2009, 07:06

..........Moutua gardens is just one possible reason local Iwi are marginilised, and in all likleyhood took little part in the 'H' referendum. What was the point?.....No one listens!

A notice on a kitchen tent at Moutoa Gardens, Wanganui, New Zealand, during occupation by members of Whanganui iwi, 14 March 1995.
In February 1995 Te Runanga Pakaitore began a 79-day occupation of Moutoa Gardens. The occupation was an attempt to restore the mana of the Whanganui people over the site. The gardens had been established on the site of an ancient pa, Pakaitore. This had been a traditional place for trade before European settlement. Te Runanga Pakaitore claimed that it had been set aside from the purchase of Wanganui. The city denied these claims.
Those protesting saw the gardens as the symbol of past grievances. It had become a memorial to kupapa Maori - those perceived to be loyal to the Crown. As well as the statue in memory of those who fell at Moutoa (http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/node/4124) ‘in defence of law and order against fanaticism and barbarism’, a statue dedicated to the Putiki chief Te Rangihiwinui Kepa ('Major Kemp') celebrated his successes against Te Kooti, the ‘murderer of women and children’.
This dispute highlighted the way in which historic issues dating back to the initial European settlement of the area remained unresolved. These issues have come to the fore again in recent debates over whether the city of Wanganui should be renamed Whanganui. Early translators missed the silent ‘h’ in the local Maori dialect and spelt the town - and the river - Wanganui. In 1991 the New Zealand Geographic Board responded to calls from some local Maori by officially changing the name of the river to Whanganui. In 2009 public consultation began to consider whether or not this name change should be extended to the town itself. Opponents, including the Mayor, Michael Laws, argue that in the intervening years Wanganui and its people have created ‘its own identity, its own history, its own pride, its own mana’.

Headbanger

22nd September 2009, 07:51

Ignorant,deluded,and hypocritical.

you sir have been attacking laws on a personal level from the get go, Nearly everything you have posted has been a fallacy and delusional. And now your trying to attack a democratic process. All the while knowing fuck all of nothing.

Swoop

22nd September 2009, 08:10

Ah, so after having the highest yet reply for a referendum and receiving massive support for the direction taken we should instead count all the people who didn't bother to contribute and just imagine they opposed it strongly and we should do what we imagine all these imaginary votes would have said in your imagination?
This is New Zealand. The small, vocal minority, is always pandered to here, instead of the majority.:wacko:

davereid

22nd September 2009, 08:40

MSTRS

22nd September 2009, 09:02

Since Europeans 'decided' that the F sound in Maori should be spelled WH, and with the insistence of a vocal few that 170 years of Wanganui (no H) is to be set aside, I think it only fair that all WH places be changed to F, so as to address the 170 years of bad spelling. Europeans 'gave' the Maori writing, so have the right to take it away or change it. Nor should they stop with WH. We all know the ad on TV with teh Aussies saying 'Wackatain"?? Think of the confusion that would be avoided, by simply spelling Maori how it sounds.
This message brought to you by the BDOTGNZA (who are not averse to using phonetics when it suits).

You and headbanger share the same parochial traits-find out if the opponent is from somewhere other than Wanganui and attack the man not the ball.

I just had to point out the irony contained herein... :pinch:

SixPackBack

23rd September 2009, 06:41

http://static.stuff.co.nz/1253627292/935/2891935.jpg PHIL REID/The Dominion Post
WALKED FREE: Mongrel Mob member Brett Beamsley, who was wearing a beanie with a logo similar to the one inset, told police the bulldog was a Georgia University logo, and not Mob insignia.

A Mongrel Mob member arrested under Wanganui's gang patch ban bylaw has walked free from court, but a senior police officer admits that dropping the charge was a mistake
At least one police staff member decided to withdraw the charge against Brett Beamsley, 45, after accepting his argument that a bulldog on his beanie was a Georgia University logo, and not Mongrel Mob insignia.
Central area commander Superintendent Russell Gibson said he was disappointed by the decision, which was made without adequate consultation.
"I am concerned that the decision will be used to bait us, which is the very behaviour that the legislation was brought in to curb. It is for that reason I want to make it very clear to all gang members and associates in Wanganui that if a similar situation arises it is highly likely we will proceed with a prosecution and allow that prosecution to be tested in a court of law."
Matters were being dealt with internally, and he would not comment on potential repercussions for staff members involved.
Mr Beamsley was pulled over by police while driving near his Aramoho home on September 2, a day after the bylaw came into force.
The charge was dropped during an appearance in Wanganui District Court yesterday.
Mr Gibson said there were some circumstances under which a withdrawn charge could be reinstated and these were under consideration.
If the case is not reopened, police will have to return the confiscated beanie to Mr Beamsley, who said he would continue to wear it.
"As soon as I get it back again I'm straight to town to see if they arrest me again."
Wanganui Mayor Michael Laws said Mr Gibson contacted him yesterday to explain the situation. "[The logo] obviously is gang insignia. It's just a simple error and I've been assured it won't happen again and I've accepted that assurance."
Whanganui MP Chester Borrows, who sponsored the supporting legislation through Parliament, said it was a shame the charge was dropped, but the outcome could not be considered a win by gangs.
"Further charges will give the court the opportunity to make a decision and set a precedent."
Speaking outside court, Mr Beamsley said he was surprised the charges were dropped.
"It's quite funny. I was expecting to be putting my plea in, so it's funny they let me go."
If arrested for wearing the hat again, he said he would plead not guilty because the bulldog logo was not Mongrel Mob insignia.
Victoria University associate law professor Elisabeth McDonald said the key issue for the court to determine would be whether the Georgia University bulldog was "commonly displayed" to represent the Mongrel Mob.<SCRIPT>loadAd('300x250','STORYBODY',300,250);</SCRIPT>
Four men were charged in the week after the patch ban came into force on September 1, but no more arrests had been made since.
Only one of the men Mongrel Mob Whanganui president Peter Randal Nahona has pleaded guilty.
Tribesman member John Ratana, 21, who is accused of wearing gang insignia while riding his motorbike on September 1, was excused from appearing in court yesterday and remanded until October 6.

Poor bugger being persecuted by the filth, give the man some self respect and put the 'H' into Wanganui.

fire eyes

23rd September 2009, 09:24

They need to get on with the real issues instead of wasting our taxpayer money over H.

Take in both and keep all parties happy like few other parts in NZ.

Mt Egmont, Taranaki.

Taranaki sounds so much more prettier :love: I laughed when one of my aussie mates thought Taranaki was a Japanese Sauce ... wonder what he would have made of Egmont :jerry:

MSTRS

23rd September 2009, 09:26

Poor bugger being persecuted by the filth, give the man some self respect and put the 'H' into Wanganui.

Oh yeah...poor wee poppet. That H is obviously of critical importance to his self-esteem
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fire eyes

23rd September 2009, 09:30

T.W.R

23rd September 2009, 09:58

The Story of New Zealand Place Names (AW Reed, 1952)

"The maori of this district have been called the cockneys of the Maori people, as their dialect contains the sound "w" instead of the usual "wh"

(Hat tip to Robin Insull)

It would appear the correct spelling (at least for the locals) is Wanganui...

That'd be the river maori :shit: they've been there longer than most; pretty feral though compared to but respected by the imports. They just get on with their shit and can't be bothered with the stirrers.

The town & surrounding area are great, it's just the residents :doh:

Gonville & Aramoho are :pinch:

davereid

23rd September 2009, 11:59

That'd be the river maori :shit: they've been there longer than most; pretty feral though compared to but respected by the imports. They just get on with their shit and can't be bothered with the stirrers.

The town & surrounding area are great, it's just the residents :doh:

Gonville & Aramoho are :pinch:

Other way around I think... the Pipiriki and river Maori do use the WH sound, while the bay maori don't.

I was putting in flood warning equipment at Pipiriki a few years (10?) ago. Was working on a roof, installing an aerial at the time, when two locals pinched my ladder.

I shimmied down the drainpipe and used menaces to retrieve my ladder.

I distinctly remember being told I was a whanker and to whuck off...

So I know for a fact the Pipiriki lot use WH.

SixPackBack

30th October 2009, 19:18

Laws is at it again...........

NZ mayor in call to sterilise underclass

By Tamara McLean, AAP October 30, 2009, 1:53 pm
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A famously-rude Kiwi politician has proposed a new solution to the country's dire child abuse problem - sterilise the "underclass".
Michael Laws - who stirred up contempt by calling the late Tongan King a "bloated brown slug" - has again hit headlines for the wrong reasons.
The regional mayor claimed that the children of social security beneficiaries, drug addicts and criminals had little chance in life and were prime targets for child abuse.
Sterilising their parents was the best solution, he brazenly suggested.
"If we gave $10,000 to certain people and said 'we'll voluntarily sterilise you' then all of society would be better off," he told the Dominion Post newspaper.
"There'd be less dead children and less social problems."
He was commenting on the latest death of a toddler, two-year-old Karl Perigo-Check, who was the son of a convicted murderer and gang member.
The little nation, which prides itself on its clean, green image and liberal social policy, is placed third among OECD nations for child deaths due to maltreatment, four spots ahead of Australia, according to UNICEF.
It is ranked fifth for both child beatings and sexual abuse, again several places ahead of its Antipodean neighbour.
Laws argued that "liberal methods" of beating the problem had failed.
But his "solution" has been branded "draconian" and "totalitarian" by the country's child health advocates who are calling for him to stand down as a city mayor.
"I just find it such a disgraceful attitude," said Child Poverty Action Group director Janfrie Wakim.
"It's hard to comprehend that an intelligent man who's leading a city is making such reprehensible suggestions."
This is just the latest controversy for Laws, who last month hit headlines for bullying primary school children.
The indigenous children had written to the mayor to express annoyance that he refused to make a subtle spelling change to the name of the North Island town, Wanganui, to make it historically correct.
But Laws, a fierce critic of the name change, took exception to the letters, replying: "There are so many deficiencies of both fact and logic in your letters that I barely know where to start".
He told them they should sack their teacher for suggesting they write to him.