Crucial or crock?

[Maha]

That slow speed slalom thing that some bikers do?
Not on the racetrack, but on any normal road.

[hospitalfood]

i do it to get mud off, so it is probably crock

[James Deuce]

In what context?

[Bonez]

You mean the wiggle down main street to warm the tyres thing Maha?

[Maha]

In what context?


You mean the wiggle down main street to warm the tyres thing?

Apparently yes....

[Nagash]

I just do it for fun... Sounds quite lame when you think about it properly but I choose not to.


Though I swear this has been brought up before, and it was finally agreed upon by the majority that it didn't actually do much for warming your tyres up and was really just more fun then actually productive.

[Headbanger]

Keeps me amused for a few seconds.

[Maha]

In what context?

You go for a ride with ya mates, one or two will apply this function to thier ride routine.

[Headbanger]

FOR SALE: '88 Yamaha FZX 750, low k's and decent condition. Looking for around 4.5K. Drop us a pm, view it any time. Oh, and trades considered for cruisers or naked sporties.

I though this bike was the greatest thing since fizzy beer?

[The Pastor]

i do it to practice getting my knee down ;)

[R6_kid]

Keeps me amused for a few seconds.

+1... Work the arms a bit and practice counter steering on a boring piece of road.

So what if it looks stupid. I wouldn't say it's crucial but it certainly isn't crock.

[Nagash]

I though this bike was the greatest thing since fizzy beer?

Slightly off topic, but it is.

But the Vmax i'm looking at is better..

[beyond]

Great for scrubbing new tyres and helps when you live right next to a good set of twisties to get a little warmth into your tyres before you start giving it some. :)

[Headbanger]

Slightly off topic, but it is.

But the Vmax i'm looking at is better..

Excellent.:2thumbsup

[Maha]

+1... Work the arms a bit and practice counter steering on a boring piece of road.

So what if it looks stupid. I wouldn't say it's crucial but it certainly isn't crock.


Another take on the idea, interesting, when most would do it to help with the 'tyre warming' process, which surely wouldn't help a great deal unless they are already warm and by doing it, you retain some heat?

[Trudes]

I do it sometimes just to relieve boredom, especially when stuck behind cars.

[Maha]

Great for scrubbing new tyres and helps when you live right next to a good set of twisties to get a little warmth into your tyres before you start giving it some. :)

Hey, thats enough of you irresponsible squid talk on here thanks Paul....:lol:

[Maha]

I do it sometimes just to relieve boredom, especially when stuck behind cars.

Can you also apply lippy, or is it just one thing at a time thank you very much?..:whistle:

Seriously, its good to read the different takes on this practice, like what Gareth said, the only reason I would do it is to aviod something on the road.

[beyond]

Hey, thats enough of you irresponsible squid talk on here thanks Paul....:lol:

:lol::lol::whistle:

[hospitalfood]

it probably looks cool to cage divers, like the fags in F1 before the race starts or when the safety car is out.

but seriously, after wet roadworks it does get the mud off the rubber

[oldrider]

Do it as part of my overall checks limbers me up and gets me a good feel for the bike for the day, otherwise I just do it cause I want to and it feels good! :banana:

Who gives a flying fuck what anyone else thinks anyway! :oi-grr:

[tomobedlam]

I do it to draw attention to myself coming up to intersections when I think a cager hasn't seen me.

[Hitcher]

That slow speed slalom thing that some bikers do?
Not on the racetrack, but on any normal road.

I do it to set myself up for a highside. A bit of overcorrection and a squirt of throttle helps to finish things off nicely.

[grusomhat]

It's good fun and it feels like it must be helping something. Who knows or cares what!

[Edbear]

Keeps me amused for a few seconds.


I do it sometimes just to relieve boredom, especially when stuck behind cars.

Yup! :2thumbsup

[mashman]

I do it on straight roads as I HOPE it helps slow down the squaring off the tyre thingy when commuting...

[Sharry]

I do it sometimes just to relieve boredom, especially when stuck behind cars.

Yup precisely :banana:

And I also do it when a car is travelling too close to me, it's amazing how most of them pull back a few lengths when you do this :lol:

[boman]

I do it for the hell of it. Only in coned off areas where they are working on the road verges.

[MattRSK]

it probably looks cool to cage divers, like the fags in F1 before the race starts or when the safety car is out.

but seriously, after wet roadworks it does get the mud off the rubber

F1 your more likely to have an accident than get your tires any warmer. Any warmth gained is lost on the wait for the start.

[MotoKuzzi]

Do it as part of my overall checks limbers me up and gets me a good feel for the bike for the day, otherwise I just do it cause I want to and it feels good! :banana:

Who gives a flying fuck what anyone else thinks anyway! :oi-grr:

+1 but the only time I did it with my wife on the back she accused me of being reckless and refused ( conveniently ) to ride with me again

:lol:

[<G>]

happy biker/bike wiggle :2thumbsup
and what Sharry said.

[sondela]

Can you also apply lippy, or is it just one thing at a time thank you very much?..:whistle:
Seriously, its good to read the different takes on this practice, like what Gareth said, the only reason I would do it is to aviod something on the road.

Uh.. one thing at a time!
But you can do it to practice avoiding things on the road too...
in case you need to know one day... :yes:

[eliot-ness]

I do it because I'm old and wobbly

[Skunk]

That slow speed slalom thing that some bikers do?
Not on the racetrack, but on any normal road.
I have it on expert advise (a tyre technician) that it will do nothing to warm the tyre unless the pressures wrong anyway. So track or road you're wasting your time and just being an obstacle.

[sleemanj]

I do it to warm ME up. Won't do nothin' for the tyres, but it's a good way to get yourself into the mindset. At least it's a good way for me to get into the mindset, everybody has their own routines.

[MadDuck]

....crock.

[Maki]

I do it to set myself up for a highside. A bit of overcorrection and a squirt of throttle helps to finish things off nicely.

Yoo Hoo...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7IAAnyVuGU

:woohoo:

[NDORFN]

I do it for a last minute reminder that my bike WILL lean right over and grip if I need it to. Sounds stupid, but it's good mental prep. I only do it up my street on the way out for a ride.

[Motu]

....crock.

Careful - there are some fragile egos here,we don't want to damage them.

[Kickaha]

Great for scrubbing new tyres and helps when you live right next to a good set of twisties to get a little warmth into your tyres before you start giving it some. :)

It doesn't help warm them up at all according to this


I have it on expert advise (a tyre technician) that it will do nothing to warm the tyre unless the pressures wrong anyway. So track or road you're wasting your time and just being an obstacle.

Bastard you beat me to it :finger:

[AD345]

Its best when you can do it in time to the singing in your head.

[mashman]

Its best when you can do it in time to the singing in your head.

Heh, singin in the rain fits the bill for highway cruising

[wbks]

I've been told that it's good to do (gradually) when you're riding out on shiny new tires?

[Coldrider]

I do it to my RTD mixed.

[Gremlin]

In the context you're talking about, ie, pulling away from stops mid ride, I would indeed imagine that people are doing it because they think it warms their tyres.

Yes, it does make a difference, but not for the few weaves some do. Hard acceleration and hard braking will warm the tyres faster, as really, its the movement of the rubber on the tyre is friction, friction produces heat etc.

Tyres with less grooves move less, (ignoring factors such as compounds) so more grooves, faster heat, less grooves, slower heat. Same reason slicks are bloody hard to use without warmers.

Some do it because they want to... fair enough, each to their own. I definitely do it if I'm stuck in a queue and end up bored to hell. Also handy to make cars behind think you're nuts and they back off.

[Matt Bleck]

i only do it when no one can hear me saying.... Look at me, look at me, look at meeeeeeee!

[James Deuce]

The list of fun things to do, "Just Because" gets shorter every day.

[bsasuper]

i do it to practice getting my knee down ;)

and you were calling another KB member an idiot:laugh:

[AllanB]

The list of fun things to do, "Just Because" gets shorter every day.

I hear you James - I've had to put a lock on the bathroom door .......


Back to wiggles.

I do it because it's fun.

I've also found it's a excellent way of getting a tailgater off your arse - they pull back very quickly!

I have wondered in the past if I'd get a ticket if a cop spied this display of skill - I suspect so.

[Hiflyer]

I hear you James - I've had to put a lock on the bathroom door .......


Back to wiggles.

I do it because it's fun.

I've also found it's a excellent way of getting a tailgater off your arse - they pull back very quickly!

I have wondered in the past if I'd get a ticket if a cop spied this display of skill - I suspect so.

A few teenagers in a car got pulled over on motorway patrol a while ago, for weaving in their lanes, They got some sort of ticket.


But then again, doing it in a car is reckless and ABSOLUTELY ISN'T ON A BIKE :blink:

[caseye]

It's almost a habit these days, more to wake me up to the fact that I'm on the bike! not in a car and to make sure I'm stuck nicely to the seat.Oh and of course because I can and to hell with them that think I shouldn't.

[Kickaha]

Yes, it does make a difference, but not for the few weaves some do.

Read that test, it made no difference even with aggressive weaving

[grusomhat]

Read that test, it made no difference even with aggressive weaving

I guarantee you it makes A difference. That difference is going to be rather small though and obviously quite immeasurable without scientific tools and methods.

[yungatart]

...because I can!

[nodrog]

it does nothing, they only do it on a warm up lap in wsbk and moto gp for the pose factor.

[Nagash]

I guarantee you it makes A difference. That difference is going to be rather small though and obviously quite immeasurable without scientific tools and methods.

Like.. a thermometer?

[grusomhat]

Like.. a thermometer?

If you believe you could measure the temp of the tyre in real time using a thermometer then yeah sure.

[gatch]

I used to do it heaps, I'm quite sure it made no difference to the tire temp, mostly was a "psych up" kind of thing before I hit the paihiatua track..

[Katman]

The list of fun things to do, "Just Because" gets shorter every day.

Can't help thinking though, if motorcyclists were able to make some degree of distinction between 'fun' and 'enjoyment' we might have considerably less problems than we do.

[lanci]

There's no way I'm having uneven wear on my tyre (who likes a squared off tyre!), so slalom it is...

Joking, I only do it with new unscrubbed tyres but yeah if it floats your boat why not, not hurting anyone.

[Hiflyer]

There's no way I'm having uneven wear on my tyre (who likes a squared off tyre!), so slalom it is...

Joking, I only do it with new unscrubbed tyres but yeah if it floats your boat why not, not hurting anyone.

Yea but it can scare the daylights outta people behind you cos when you start, they think you've had to swerve violently to avoid a small child on the road.

[Kickaha]

I guarantee you it makes A difference. That difference is going to be rather small though and obviously quite immeasurable without scientific tools and methods.

Did you even bother reading the document I put up, their testing method was through enough

The only difference it makes is in your head

[Spyke]

Yea but it can scare the daylights outta people behind you cos when you start, they think you've had to swerve violently to avoid a small child on the road.


God people always jumping to conclusions, bloody invisible kids :blink:

[Hiflyer]

God people always jumping to conclusions, bloody invisible kids :blink:

IIIIIIII Know!!!

Haha last year when there were those big storms ZM announced weather warnings saying that "Deck chairs and small children could be blown away in the wind"

I've never understood why they only specified those two things haha :Offtopic:

[MDR2]

That slow speed slalom thing that some bikers do?
Not on the racetrack, but on any normal road.

makes straight roads fun.

[Gremlin]

Read that test, it made no difference even with aggressive weaving
I'm not even saying a few aggressive weaves will do the job. Sustained movement of the rubber on the tyre will produce heat. Now, if you are moving the rubber more down a straight, than just going at a constant speed in a straight line, then its fair to say the tyre will warm faster.

[Kickaha]

I'm not even saying a few aggressive weaves will do the job. Sustained movement of the rubber on the tyre will produce heat. Now, if you are moving the rubber more down a straight, than just going at a constant speed in a straight line, then its fair to say the tyre will warm faster.

They had him weave the entire 1.8 mile track


Then, we sent Junge to do an entire lap of weaving.

Again, the weaving failed to hold heat anywhere on the tire. Then Junge once again did his straight weaving test, and the tires began cooling rapidly. In fact, during weaving the tires lost heat as rapidly or more rapidly as just
standing still.

But weaving, no matter how aggressive your lean angle and your speed or how long the distance covered, does not build any additional heat in a tire!

[Swoop]

Who the hell would ask such a vital question on KB, without putting up a poll??

:shit::blink::confused:<_<

[Gremlin]

They had him weave the entire 1.8 mile track
2.88km aye? I think I've sneezed for longer distances than that...

[Maha]

Who the hell would ask such a vital question on KB, without putting up a poll??

:shit::blink::confused:<_<

I dont do polls........they are like a blunt pencil...:confused:
Well I think I have done one poll since joining but that was for a serious collated and factual opinion result.:shifty:

[crash harry]

I think it's been pretty well accepted for a while now that weaving doesn't significantly warm bike tyres, as was stated earlier, the best way to warm them is accelerating and braking hard - it flexes the rubber a hell of a lot more. But the slalom thing in your lane does help clean the shit off your tyres if you've ridden through something nasty (roadworks, cowpats, herds of small children...). Also, it's kind of fun to do, which is the main reason I do it.

I don't think it's going to do a lot to stop your tyre squaring off. As I understand it, tyres wear mostly when they're doing work - i.e. the rear tends to wear under acceleration, the front under braking and cornering. When you're just cruising down a straight bit of road they're just rolling, which only causes wear if your pressures are really low. So unless you can do the slalom thing while you're accelerating away from the lights and while you're braking (which sounds like a really creative way to bin it) it's not going to help much.

[rwh]

Did you even bother reading the document I put up, their testing method was through enough


Not really, IMHO.

They acknowledged that the sun was making a big difference, but didn't make a big effort to remove that factor (say by running their tests at night).

They didn't compare the 1.8mi hot lap to a 1.8mi hot straight line - going round corners is just weaving in a prescribed manner, after all.

They didn't measure the g-forces generated and compare them between the weaving tests and the hot laps.

All of those would have helped prove something more conclusively, I think.

Richard

[Kickaha]

Not really, IMHO.

They acknowledged that the sun was making a big difference, but didn't make a big effort to remove that factor (say by running their tests at night).

They didn't compare the 1.8mi hot lap to a 1.8mi hot straight line - going round corners is just weaving in a prescribed manner, after all.

They didn't measure the g-forces generated and compare them between the weaving tests and the hot laps.

All of those would have helped prove something more conclusively, I think.

Richard

And If they'd done all that you still would have found a way to criticize their testing methods:shifty:

[nothingflash]

I hear you James - I've had to put a lock on the bathroom door .......

Someone told me the other day to wipe the top of my coke can before I drank it because he saw on 60 minutes that when the stuff is stored in warehouses rats piss on them and this has caused deaths.

When will the madness stop?

[rwh]

And If they'd done all that you still would have found a way to criticize their testing methods:shifty:

I doubt it - because they would have found it did make a difference after all :p

If a hot lap makes a difference, I don't see how appropriately vigorous weaving couldn't. It might take some effort to do it right, of course.

Richard

[Guided_monkey]

Different use of the weave... but having to survive on Ak's motorways wih all the dumb cagers.

I start to weave when I see the traffic in front rushing to a stop.

The cagers behind usually wonders wtf and opens the following gap up.

So far it keeps me safe.

[MarkH]

Also handy to make cars behind think you're nuts and they back off.

I think you'll find that word is spelt 'realise' or possibly 'realize' if you're american.
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[Gremlin]

I think you'll find that word is spelt 'realise' or possibly 'realize' if you're american.

ah... I guess you've ridden with me then... :innocent: Hey, whatever works to keep them away from me :shifty:

[Swoop]

I dont do polls........
I know...:shifty:

[oldrider]

I dont do polls.......


I know...:shifty:

Hey, you guy's are obviously polls apart! :doh:

[Maha]

Recently, I watched someone picking up thier pride and joy up off the road because of using this pathetic technique.
Its a bad habbit to get into.
Young and impressionable riders take note....warming of your tyres by way of weaving/slalom soon after setting out is a crock.

[slofox]

Recently, I watched someone picking up thier pride and joy up off the road because of using this pathetic technique.
Its a bad habbit to get into.
Young and impressionable riders take note....warming of your tyres by way of weaving/slalom soon after setting out is a crock.

Doesn't work either...

[nodrog]

Recently, I watched someone picking up thier pride and joy up off the road because of using this pathetic technique.
Its a bad habbit to get into.
Young and impressionable riders take note....warming of your tyres by way of weaving/slalom soon after setting out is a crock.

Was it Valentino Rossi?

[dblancer]

Sounds like an absolute crock to me:

http://www.tlzone.net/forums/suzuki-tl1000r-tl1000s-forum/11658-swerving-warm-up-tires.html

I've done it. Just for fun however.
I guess when you are surrounded by cars, you do stuff sometimes just to say, "hey here is something you can't get away with"

[DrunkenMistake]

I do it sometimes just to relieve boredom, especially when stuck behind cars.



And I also do it when a car is travelling too close to me, it's amazing how most of them pull back a few lengths when you do this :lol:


Its best when you can do it in time to the singing in your head.




Some do it because they want to... fair enough, each to their own. I definitely do it if I'm stuck in a queue and end up bored to hell. Also handy to make cars behind think you're nuts and they back off.

+1 to all of those haha
I do it if in stuck in a large line of traffic on a straight piece of road, or if someone is driving on my number plate,
Ill do it sometimes if I see a cyclist on the other side of the road and a cock in a 4W4 coming up behind it, they are usually the ones that like to pull into my lane thinking ill move for them

[Maha]

Doesn't work either...

....and you look like a knob whilst doing it...without skies.

Was it Valentino Rossi?

.....what does he do?:confused:

[Voltaire]

That slow speed slalom thing that some bikers do?
Not on the racetrack, but on any normal road.

That car thing where they are going straight ahead and indicate right then left to go around a tiny roundabout....whats that all about...?
That letting the clutch out and spinning the back/front wheels thing.....what with that?
Driving with one arm on the passenger headrest....wtf...

[Maha]

That car thing where they are going straight ahead and indicate right then left to go around a tiny roundabout....whats that all about...?
That letting the clutch out and spinning the back/front wheels thing.....what with that?
Driving with one arm on the passenger headrest....wtf...

Holden ute owners unite!

[Old Steve]

I do it to celebrate being alive and out on two wheels.

Motorbikes are supposed to turn corners aren't they?

[Madmax]

slight weave to check tyre pressure
(dont belive gauges)

[ducatilover]

I do it to excite myself before writing off a really nice bike :yes::scooter::rockon:

[oldrider]

....and you look like a knob whilst doing it...without skies.


.....what does he do?:confused:

OK so I am knob but I thought no one was looking ... honest, I won't do it again! :cry: Promise! :yes:

Edit: Secretly, it's the only way I can get an erection these days!

[Banditbandit]

Keeps me amused for a few seconds.

Yeah .. that's why I do it ... usually means I'm bored ... sometimes it's a signal to the cage I just passed ..