Soldiers sent home?

[nudemetalz]

Forgive me if this a repost (couldn't see it anywhere), but what a load of bollox this is !!!!
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2875735/Soldiers-sent-home-for-photo-stunt

Soldiers and airmen did this all the time in WW2 !!!

[Taz]

If only it'd been so easy to be sent home from Korea Clinger wouldn't have had to wear a dress. We can kill them but we must not joke about killing them :lol:

[firefighter]

Yep, you can thank the media sensationalism and over Political Correctness for it.

I hear they may lose their jobs over it. Fucken officers who claimed expenses they were'nt entitled to got less punishment.

[vifferman]

We're now in politically correct time - it's OK to bomb the shit out of a country, as long as you're sensitive and caring about their feelings.
Writing mocking messages (even if the victims don't see them) is just disrespectful and unacceptable.

[ital916]

I didnt see the problem with it. You send young men to fight a war in which they face an unrelenting enemy and horrors that many of us would tremble at the thought of and the nz goverment fires them for writing a message to the enemy on a bomb.

Fark me, the message wasnt even bad. "deat taliban enjoy this demon", note they could have used raghead, zipper head etc. Load of bullshit I reckon.

In other wars they did all sorts of stuff for example painting messages on bombs as well as number of kills on planes.

[firefighter]

and the nz goveernment fires them

In other wars they did all sorts of stuff for example painting messages on bombs as well as number of kills on planes.

May fire them.

And the Brits and Yanks still have these notes put on their weapons.

[Mully]

Welcome to New Zealand.

Sorry, New Zhealand.

[CookMySock]

They look a bit pissed to me. ;)

Steve

[madbikeboy]

Fucking outrageous!!!!!!!!!

PC gone too fucking far. This pisses me off.:angry2:

[Swoop]

Fuck em. Rub some bacon on the bombs...

[nudemetalz]

Next the soldiers will have to ask the Taleban personally if they can shoot them back, when being fired upon.
It is PC afterall.... :whistle:

[Swoop]

Next the soldiers will have to ask the Taleban personally if they can shoot them back, when being fired upon.
It is PC afterall.... :whistle:
Could be difficult with the Reapers...

Go the Reaper! Killing top level Talitubbies over the last few months!

[Forest]

They didn't get sent home for writing messages on an armament.

They got sent home for:

1. Breaching operational security (releasing the photos would have been a breach of standing orders)
2. Bringing the army into disrepute.

[Fatt Max]

Huge big pile of bobby bollocks and no mistake. Fucking wankers having a crack at the guys.

I say drop leaflets on the fuckers saying "Bomb-O-Gram On Way" then let loose.

PC gone mad as you have rightly stated

[MisterD]

2. Bringing the army into disrepute.

It's senior officers pandering to PC wowsers like Keith Locke that brings the army into disrepute, not squaddies being, well, sqauddies.

[JimO]

It's senior officers pandering to PC wowsers like Keith Locke that brings the army into disrepute, not squaddies being, well, sqauddies.

what about students being students with the nazi party, i dont see the harm myself

[riffer]

Quite ridiculous. :angry:

I've a few mates put their arses on the line for this country and to see their fellow soldiers being let out to dry like this really irks me.

People like Keith Locke would be the first to squeal if our country was ever put in danger.

Perhaps a little bit more American style "support the troops" wouldn't go amiss at the momet.

[The Pastor]

I don't think its a bad thing to have a high level of standard for our soldiers. I hope they don't loose their jobs tho.

[firefighter]

They didn't get sent home for writing messages on an armament.

They got sent home for:

1. Breaching operational security (releasing the photos would have been a breach of standing orders)
2. Bringing the army into disrepute.

Pfft. Operational security......there's no incling of where they are or what they are doing.

Double pfft. Disrepute charges are a fucken have. Because they can't charge you twice for the same crime, or for a crime you've been punished for by the courts, they dump that on you so they can effectively charge you twice. It's b/s.
disrepute covers, DIC, intoxication, loss of licence for any reason, etcetcetc, whether in uniform or not. And now it inculdes what is widely accepted by all other forces-writing on a missile.


I don't think its a bad thing to have a high level of standard for our soldiers. I hope they don't loose their jobs tho.

Actually the high standards are already there

[The Pastor]

its not writing on the missile, its the fact that it got emailed out widely.

still should of just got a good yelling tho

[ManDownUnder]

Clearly no-one understands the basic tenets of warfare.

You can kill, maim and scare the living shit out of the enemy with all manner of high explosive and heavily armoured devices.

But you're not allowed to tease them. That's mean and hurtful. If you do that then you have to leave the game and go home. It's naughty!

[hospitalfood]

its not writing on the missile, its the fact that it got emailed out widely.



i agree with this, i think it is a very tough punisment, however im not sure how things are on the ground over there, perhaps they are being made an example of.

in WW2 they did not email shots to private business, which then went worldwide.

also, it is not really a war over there.

[nudemetalz]

....also, it is not really a war over there.....

I'm sure the British troops on their stomachs at present with 7.62mm rounds whizzing past their heads agree with that statement....

[wbks]

I'm sure the British troops on their stomachs at present with 7.62mm rounds whizzing past their heads agree with that statement....We shall wait to hear what enlightening reasons he has behind that statement... They said earlier that it was a matter or NZ's reputation in more or less words. Once again, the high up pricks throw real kiwis out to dry, because it seems that our reputation is more important than NZers themselves. That makes sense...

[Gibbo13p]

They didn't get sent home for writing messages on an armament.

They got sent home for:

1. Breaching operational security (releasing the photos would have been a breach of standing orders)
2. Bringing the army into disrepute.

Hit it right on the head there! :bash:

[Blackshear]

So they're allowed to be the frontmen, taking all of the bullets for the cause, but you aren't allowed to laugh or have fun in the face of danger?
"You're only pawns, nothing else. Pawns don't have fun."

Fatcats in their offices need to stfu and smile once in their life.

Hiroshima is fine, but slapping on a sticker completely changes it? Oh mah lawd.

[Swoop]

i in WW2 they did not email shots to private business, which then went worldwide.
True. Luckily in this combat zone they do have access to the "outside world".
The combat fatigues have been proven to be useless. Complaints have been listened to and the US Army have made two new camoflage patterns available. All from being able to access email and the internet from a combat zone.

also, it is not really a war over there.
You must be smoking some good drugs.

[Hoon]

Harsh but I have to agree. The biggest problem is that it was done for commercial gains and not only was it distributed widely but now Demon Energy owns that pic and can do anything they want with it. The mocking of the Taliban had little to do with it.

Probably only started as a bit of fun as the soldiers obviously didn't put a lot of thought into it. All this is covered during Pre Deployment training and also reiterated when they get their security brief after landing so they should have known better. We all take "dodgy" photos on ops but don't let everyone see them......dumbarses.

[munster]

as an ex-serviceman, I agree the whole epsiode stinks. Pick on the little guy and make an example. Bloody typical.

If we fought WWII this way, over half of our soldiers would have been sent home.

[hospitalfood]

I'm sure the British troops on their stomachs at present with 7.62mm rounds whizzing past their heads agree with that statement....

i don't think it really runs like that. the powers that be have done little or nothing about the taleban in the last 3 years, the taleban have of course continued in there ways, so now its in the news again as it has reached a stage when the military has to step in again. I know this because I discussed it with an ex british military soldier who is currently working in afghanistan, over a beer in my garage when he was last back on leave.

i dont think the taleban come over the horizon blazing away with 7.62 X 39 rounds. they would be totally slaughtered. they just bomb people and defend themselves ( and probably fail at it ) when attacked.
Don't get me wrong, I don't support them at all, but I do think they are totally out-gunned.
I don't have sympathy for the soldiers sent over who are getting shot at ( this may include a friend in the near future ) because it is what they decided to do, and the ones I know love it anyway.

[hospitalfood]

another important thing to remember here is that afghanistan as a nation has not declared war on anyone. so public relations are a lot more important, we don't want the majority of the public thinking the combined allied forces should get out of there.

[Swoop]

the powers that be have done little or nothing about the taleban in the last 3 years, the taleban have of course continued in there ways,
Buahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

[Thaeos]

Harsh but I have to agree. The biggest problem is that it was done for commercial gains.

Except that it wasn't (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2879927/Demon-says-soldier-stunt-not-its-doing) ...

[Toot Toot]

Every one of you have missed the point which was clearly spelled out in the last paragraph of the article. You all just read the headline.
Here is the last paragraph..

Let me be very clear that this is not about a group of young soldiers just taking a photograph of themselves; soldiers have been doing this since the availability of cameras. These three are returning to New Zealand because of a series of actions and errors of judgment on their part that did not meet the standards we expect of our people."

Seems these particular soldiers have a bit of history over there.

[Swoop]

series of actions
Seems these particular soldiers have a bit of history over there.
A "series of actions" would be
1: putting sticker on warshot round.
2: taking a photograph of said round.
3: not obtaining permission to disseminate said photograph.
4: sending the photograph to a 3rd party.
5: bringing the forces into disrepute.
6: anything else they can find to throw at them... unbuttoned top button, dirty boots, etc, etc.

These troops could be top men and have an unblemished record...

At least they get a trip home, mid-deployment!:laugh:

[Mr Merde]

Been happening for a long while now.

Always thought it ridiculous when in NI you had to read out warnings from a yellow card before opening fire.

When the person is 400 yards away they never heard.

[ManDownUnder]

Always thought it ridiculous when in NI you had to read out warnings from a yellow card before opening fire.

At the risk of sounding higginorant...

WA THA FAAAA???? You mean a "stop or we'll shoot" type warning?

[boomer]

At the risk of sounding higginorant...

WA THA FAAAA???? You mean a "stop or we'll shoot" type warning?

Stop....identify yourself... or we'll shoot.

[ital916]

i dont think the taleban come over the horizon blazing away with 7.62 X 39 rounds. they would be totally slaughtered. they just bomb people and defend themselves ( and probably fail at it ) when attacked.
Don't get me wrong, I don't support them at all, but I do think they are totally out-gunned.


Somebody has to quote that in their signature...completely silly. Being outgunned doesnt make someone less of an enemy or threat in fact it make them more desperate and more ferocious, and being a lesser force does not dismiss that fact that the taleban are a force to be reckoned with. It is a war over there, the wars of today are not going to be like WW2 but it is still a war.

The taleban know the terrain, can blend in with the population and dont seem to have any hesitation in killing their own, making them one of the most dangerous enemies to fight.

There are good people fighting and dying to protect us. It grinds my gears when people bag the soldiers and countries fighting for our freedom, without them there is nothing standing between the rest of the world and a very angry middle east. A middle east that needs no more reason to attack anyone than because we are different.

The soldiers have my upmost respect and gratitude, as do all other servicemen, whether they ever see combat or not they made that descision that if they did they would not hesistate to fight for us.

Speel over.

[Mr Merde]

At the risk of sounding higginorant...

WA THA FAAAA???? You mean a "stop or we'll shoot" type warning?

Exactly that as it was considered a police action not a military one

[Swoop]

The taleban ... can blend in with the population and dont seem to have any hesitation in killing their own, making them one of the most dangerous enemies to fight.
Interestingly, the tide has changed quite a bit. The general populace are providing very good intel on the tallitubbies, then Mr Reaper sends a hellfire or two.
Hopefully they rub bacon on the Hellfire when it has been loaded onto the aircraft...

The soldiers have my upmost respect and gratitude, as do all other servicemen
But it "is not a war over there". You heard it on KB, so it must be true...

[Mr Merde]

Stop....identify yourself... or we'll shoot.

You know about this then?

I expect your family had lots to say about it.

I loved the bit about marking the top bullet in a mag with nail varnish prior to going out and if it wasnt the same when coming back to base you had to write a report explaining the reason.

[Swoop]

I loved the bit about marking the top bullet in a mag with nail varnish prior to going out and if it wasnt the same when coming back to base you had to write a report explaining the reason.
Reason #1: "I forgot to take my nail varnish out on patrol with me"...<_<

[boomer]

You know about this then?

I expect your family had lots to say about it.

I loved the bit about marking the top bullet in a mag with nail varnish prior to going out and if it wasnt the same when coming back to base you had to write a report explaining the reason.



I was a sapper for a little while, I can't say we ever had nail varnish applied.. only rations scrupulously counted, out and in !

My dad just lay in bushes and ditches for weeks on end picking his arse.. smelling .. well, just smelling !

[Mr Merde]

I was a sapper for a little while, I can't say we ever had nail varnish applied.. ....!

Had a mate in the MP's who went on patrol with a Sterling.
He had 3 loaded magazines issued to him.
Each mag had a line of nail varnish painted over the magazine sides and over the topmost bullet.
If that bullet was missing or the varnish didnt match he was questioned as to why.

( They never worried about the 3 other magazines he unofficially had in his kit, and were used to immediately replace the issued mags, once the patrol began)

Days and weeks in a ditch. Yep he would wiff a bit at the end.

These 3 soldiers being sent home for their so called miss conduct is a crock of shit. PC gone too far.

Sort of like the military crime of "dumb insolence". If you say something you are buggered if you keep quiet you are buggered.

[Griffin]

Soldiers and airmen did this all the time in WW2 !!!

We live in a world where "we used to do..." is a very common phrase.

We used to have winners, we used to climb trees at school, we used to be able to hit on women (how the f*ck else did you get a date?), we used to be able to punish our kids with a short sharp smack, we used to be able to tell jokes and laugh without being considerd rascist or biggoted, we used to have a great country...

Welcome to the Nanny State... isnt life grand in NZ?