Legal defence fund, help Carver!

[Morcs]

The police are taking Johno to court regarding his stunt - riding over the fairview bridge in hamilton for those who live under rocks :confused:

Lets support him by helping with his legal defense.

I will be managing the funds on his behalf.
Please donate to:

Mr Pete Stephenson
12-3155-0125776-050
If that doesnt work use 000 instead of 050.
This account is soley for the purpose of this fund. Anyone who donates is welcome to request statements emailed to them.

Lets get behind Jonathan for getting out there and doing these awesome things!

Ill be putting $20 in myself.

Carver will post soon with more details, like how much is needed and when.

Thanks,

Pete


Total so far: $275

Please keep negative opinions out of this thread. thankyou.

[carver]

I gurantee if there is any surplus it will be returned, or anything unused will be returned
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I aim to win, and any help is appreciated, so it should be in court in the next 28 days!

[McJim]

What's the charge?

What's the worst they can do?

How can they prove it was you?

[ital916]

I gurantee if there is any surplus it will be returned...

Have a kit-kat?

What are they charging you with?

[sidecar bob]

Pisstake thread surely.
So a bloke does a braindead stunt, identifies himself & brags about it on the internet, & then hopes for strangers to stump up with his legal fees.
Whatever.
Clearly taking responsibility for one's actions is dead & buried.

[Morcs]

Whats the $ target? we really do need a target especially with only 28 days to go. The sooner we can reach target, the better.

Edit: Sidecar Bob. this isnt a pisstake. It was an impressive stunt and no-one else was in danger. Id give him some money just for having the balls to do something like that, as I know I dont!

[NighthawkNZ]

Why would I want to waste my hard earned cash on that????

[sAsLEX]

Why would I want to waste my hard earned cash on that????

You already waste enough on social welfare.....

[sil3nt]

Sell your bikes.

[carver]

well, 2k would be a good start, it is up to you if you want to help out, but if you do, i will not forget it

[The Pastor]

bad time for asking for money, there is a MUCH more worthy cause for donations.

Jono, You are getting what you deserve (legally) while i tottally disagree with you getting dragged into the courts I cannot give you any money when there is someone else who deserves it more.

Good luck, teach those bastard cops a lesson.

[NighthawkNZ]

You already waste enough on social welfare.....

point....:mellow:

[scumdog]

Ah, the price of fame!:shifty:

Enjoy!

[325rocket]

I aim to win, and any help is appreciated, so it should be in court in the next 28 days!

i dont fancy your chances of winning but ill chuck in a 20 to help.

[carver]

i dont fancy your chances of winning but ill chuck in a 20 to help.

thank you sir!

[sAsLEX]

point....:mellow:

Pour some more down a similar drain on society.

[Taz]

Well all I can say is :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[325rocket]

thank you sir!

done. no worries, i still feel kinda bad starting the "carver loves the cock" tag so i guess now were even haha.

[carver]

done. no worries, i still feel kinda bad starting the "carver loves the cock" tag so i guess now were even haha.

was that you?
man that way everywhere!

[riffer]

Jeez Johno. What kind of defence could you possibly have?

You'd be better off asking for money to help fund your fine for it...

[Grahameeboy]

The police are taking Johno to court regarding his stunt - riding over the fairview bridge in hamilton for those who live under rocks :confused:

Lets support him by helping with his legal defense.

I will be managing the funds on his behalf.
Please donate to:

Mr Pete Stephenson
12-3155-0125776-050
This account is soley for the purpose of this fund. Anyone who donates is welcome to request statements emailed to them.

Lets get behind Jonathan for getting out there and doing these awesome things!

Ill be putting $20 in myself.

Carver will post soon with more details, like how much is needed and when.

Thanks

Pete

Am I missing something....what is the defence? If he did it then fess up...if he didn't but bragged he did on an internet site watched by the cops then fess up and take the consequences..geeze...somethings are just unbelievable plus if I can defend a Family Court action without legal help then Carver should be able to do this no sweat..the poof

[Grahameeboy]

Jeez Johno. What kind of defence could you possibly have?

You'd be better off asking for money to help fund your fine for it...

Ssscchhhh....that will be the next THREAD request....maybe we should pay half now and the rest later?

[325rocket]

was that you?
man that way everywhere!

yeah ... sorry bout that haha:dodge::dodge:

[carver]

Jeez Johno. What kind of defence could you possibly have?

You'd be better off asking for money to help fund your fine for it...

i have a great chance of winning

[Squiggles]

Whats the charge??????

[Grahameeboy]

i have a great chance of winning

There is always a chance....even if you win you are still a nob...in the nicest possible way of course

[Grahameeboy]

Whats the charge??????

Being a nob...........

[Maha]

Am I missing something....what is the defence? If he did it then fess up...if he didn't but bragged he did on an internet site watched by the cops then fess up and take the consequences..geeze...somethings are just unbelievable plus if I can defend a Family Court action without legal help then Carver should be able to do this no sweat..the poof

Good point, very very good point, what is Carver's Defense?
Surely there is no defense against utter guilt ?
Also, what is the charge?

I cant give money willy nilly.

[Katman]

Dreams sometimes come at a price, ay John?

:msn-wink:

[Grahameeboy]

Good point, very very good point, what is Carver's Defense?
Surely there is no defense against utter guilt ?
Also, what is the charge?

I cant give money willy nilly.

Does Mom know that......Christmas is soon....

[riffer]

i have a great chance of winning

Good for you. For fuck's sake don't tell everyone on here. You could jeopardise your chances.

Perhaps you could make some kind of media circus out of the whole event. You might get found guilty but you could also get a whole load of celebrity (and potentially $$$$) out of it.

[carver]

Dreams sometimes come at a price, ay John?

:msn-wink:

haha, dangerous is the charge.
lack of proof is the defence

[Grahameeboy]

haha, dangerous is the charge.
lack of proof is the defence

So that is not you in the picture then....

[carver]

So that is not you in the picture then....
who can tell?not me!

[Squiggles]

Oooh, someone being charged over a video on the internet :eek:

[short-circuit]

I gurantee if there is any surplus it will be returned

Hahahahahahahaha - surplus? You're joking right?


So where are all the faithful Mormon worshippers now?

[Maha]

So that is not you in the picture then....

He cant answer that on here GB....well not twice anyway....:laugh:

[carver]

Hahahahahahahaha - surplus? You're joking right?


So where are all the faithful Mormon worshippers now?

well, i have no plans to use legal aid, cash is my way

[ready4whatever]

Who cares this is new zealand. even if you murder you dont get put away for long. you'll get community service oohhh. and no chance of joining the police force, which i dont think you'll lose any sleep over. good luck man

[Maha]

well, i have no plans to use legal aid, cash is my way

But not your cash though? :shifty:

[sAsLEX]

Who cares this is new zealand. even if you murder you dont get put away for long. you'll get community service oohhh. and no chance of joining the police force, which i dont think you'll lose any sleep over. good luck man

Well the chap who the cops shot at but missed and killed someone else got a pretty steep sentence.

[Grahameeboy]

who can tell?not me!

It is true that in criminal cases they have to prove beyond all doubt...depends on the Judge at the end of day and you may just get unlucy...

[Shadows]

haha, dangerous is the charge.
lack of proof is the defence

Dude, you've already confessed.

[ready4whatever]

Well the chap who the cops shot at but missed and killed someone else got a pretty steep sentence.


yeah true which is rare for NZ. I think our sentences are getting bigger now does anyone else think that? but yeah in texas a teen threw a rock through a shop window and got 5 years in jail, a man got 30 years for punching a kid in the jaw which broke it, and somebody got 3 life sentences for 3 people he killed, plus 130 years for the money he stole from a bank

[carver]

But not your cash though? :shifty:

my cash, your donations will only cover part of it, im paying the rest

[Genestho]

haha, dangerous is the charge.
lack of proof is the defence
Lack of proof? Sorry - but are you serious?

Don't you think the cops already have printed off all your posts regarding the stunt?
Don't you think they have your youtube vid, and photos as evidence?

Heck, no wonder lawyers make the good coinage!

[tri boy]

:corn:
I gave $50 to the attending court coppa, so he is primed with a full belly of Doughnuts.
If it helps, I asked for extra sugar on them so he rants like a child on fizzy.:Police:

[Cr1MiNaL]

Add another $20 to that Pete. Hope you get off it Johno, weren't you up here in Auckland that day? I am sure a few people saw you here.

I for one don't like to see my hard earned tax going into incriminating some guy who didn't harm anyone or destroy anything... pointless. Hang in there they got nothing on you. Or me for that matter<_<

[Patrick]

Kinda cool...., but if you approached the authorities, perhaps they would have OKed the stunt anyhow.

Dangerous driving... on a road...? Didn't look like a "road....." But I could be wrong......

[mynameis]

Ouch ! :Pokey: hope your mates come to the rescue.

[carver]

Lack of proof? Sorry - but are you serious?

Don't you think the cops already have printed off all your posts regarding the stunt?
Don't you think they have your youtube vid, and photos as evidence?

Heck, no wonder lawyers make the good coinage!

the words reasonable doubt spring to mind

[Cr1MiNaL]

Kinda cool...., but if you approached the authorities, perhaps they would have OKed the stunt anyhow.

Dangerous driving... on a road...? Didn't look like a "road....." But I could be wrong......


Yay for this man....

[Ixion]

..
Dangerous driving... on a road...? Didn't look like a "road....." But I could be wrong......

"A place to which the public have access " ? They have got to be kidding.

[short-circuit]

Where have all your cheerleaders from the other week gone?

The whole returning the surplus line is brilliant - forget stunts, try stand up

[mynameis]

the words reasonable doubt spring to mind

Resonable doubt? :lol: :clap:

[Taz]

Here's a better cause. Give your money to this one.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=108352

[Genestho]

the words reasonable doubt spring to mind
Crikey, if I ever meet you, I'm gonna smack you for wasting court time!

[sil3nt]

You were front page of the newspaper boasting about it with your full name. And you expect to get away with it. :lol:

[Thani-B]

Hahahahahahahaha - surplus? You're joking right?


So where are all the faithful Mormon worshippers now?

Honestly, if you cant say anything productive, why do you bother posting? Didnt your mother ever teach you "If you cant say anything nice, dont say anything at all"?


Add another $20 to that Pete. Hope you get off it Johno, weren't you up here in Auckland that day? I am sure a few people saw you here.


And some $ from me. I can second that.

[LBD]

Who cares this is new zealand. even if you murder you dont get put away for long. you'll get community service oohhh. and no chance of joining the police force, which i dont think you'll lose any sleep over. good luck man

....but then Murder is not in the same league and dangerous driving, making a mockery of the law and creating a public nuisence, and vandilizing public property (Tire marks on the bridge structure) not to mention public endangerment and ...reckless endangerment....you could have hurt your self...

Hope the media get hold of this and point out how the law is wasteing tax payers money with this frivilous case...pressing ahead with a prosecution in a case like this just proves how childish and uptight the law can be...Pathetic to the extreme IMO....just hope you don't get the hanging judge....you know the one, he fell of this scooter at the age of 7 and became a judge with the sole aim in life, to out law motorcycles...

Good luck and how about an account number for donations....I am in for a bit. PM me if you dont want to post an account number.

Note...My contribution will not be for the defence, rather it is against the childish prosecution...(Splitting hairs but thats me)

[short-circuit]

Honestly, if you cant say anything productive, why do you bother posting? Didnt your mother ever teach you "If you cant say anything nice, dont say anything at all"?

:laugh: A worshipper speaks at last


Take a look around girlie :shifty: good luck promoting that policy in this thread

[Slicksta]

Im in for $50

[Thani-B]

:laugh: A worshipper speaks at last


Take a look around girlie :shifty: good luck promoting that policy in this thread

Meh. I happen to think it was a cool stunt, and I think its shit if he gets done for it.

[The Stranger]

Crikey, if I ever meet you, I'm gonna smack you for wasting court time!

You have a good point.

Speak to a lawyer, if it is classed as a road you are just wasting time and money defending it.
See if the lawyer can plead it down to a lesser charge for a guilty plea.

You manned up to the stunt, man up to the consequences - it'll only add to the legend.

I don't mind donating if you are innocent or for the entertainment value of the stunt, but I'm not into pissing into the wind.

[sAsLEX]

You manned up to the stunt, man up to the consequences - it'll only add to the legend.


Where is the vid then?

[sidecar bob]

my cash, your donations will only cover part of it, im paying the rest
Fuck some people have no shame whatsoever.
Be a pratt, get what was obviously coming, beg like a fucking leper.
Id suggest the rescue helecopter would be a far more worthy recipient of peoples charity.

[short-circuit]

Fuck some people have no shame whatsoever.
Be a pratt, get what was obviously coming, beg like a fucking leper.
Id suggest the rescue helecopter would be a far more worthy recipient of peoples charity.

Cringeworthy innit? Like watching someone dying on stage

[Genestho]

You have a good point.

Speak to a lawyer, if it is classed as a road you are just wasting time and money defending it.
See if the lawyer can plead it down to a lesser charge for a guilty plea.

You manned up to the stunt, man up to the consequences - it'll only add to the legend.

I don't mind donating if you are innocent or for the entertainment value of the stunt, but I'm not into pissing into the wind.

I agree here, be a man.
Don't waste your mates dollars, HTFU, take it on the chin, chalk it up to experience, next time approach the cops and council - if you haven't already blown it, because stunts are ok, if you do it the right way.
Then go sell ya story to pay for the fine?
There are serious cases backlogged that need to get on, held up by this kind of thing.

[p.dath]

It is true that in criminal cases they have to prove beyond all doubt...depends on the Judge at the end of day and you may just get unlucy...

It doesn't sound like a criminal charge, so the burden of proof is different. Perhaps Ixion of James Duece could lend their opinion.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fuck some people have no shame whatsoever.
Be a pratt, get what was obviously coming, beg like a fucking leper.
Id suggest the rescue helecopter would be a far more worthy recipient of peoples charity.

Wot he said times 100. Fuck man...next time I get busted for being a naughty boy...I'll just ask every hard working KBer for some bucks then eh?

You're an attention seeking twat...you got more attention than you bargined for. Ask the 'o' mighty one to help you out.

[Madness]

I for one don't like to see my hard earned tax going into incriminating some guy who didn't harm anyone or destroy anything... pointless. Hang in there they got nothing on you. Or me for that matter<_<


Why ride a bike and put yourself to such risk? Why do stupid things when you can't afford to? Begging for sympathy on a public forum haha...

A two-faced cock smoker!

Sorry Carver, It's hard to sympathise with you when others are expected to man up for some other little cunt's misbehaviours, innit?.

The cops don't need to be sure of a conviction in this country. Simply laying a charge such as Dangerous Driving can fuck someone's life over in itself.

[Grahameeboy]

It doesn't sound like a criminal charge, so the burden of proof is different. Perhaps Ixion of James Duece could lend their opinion.

Dangerous Driving is heard in the Criminal Court isn't it?

[Highlander]

Fuck some people have no shame whatsoever.
Be a pratt, get what was obviously coming, beg like a fucking leper.
Id suggest the rescue helecopter would be a far more worthy recipient of peoples charity.

Well said.

As a tax payer, I am already funding the other side of this debate, and in this instance I lend them my moral support too. I think it counter productive for me to donate to Carver as well.

[Slicksta]

Fuck some people have no shame whatsoever.
Be a pratt, get what was obviously coming, beg like a fucking leper.
Id suggest the rescue helecopter would be a far more worthy recipient of peoples charity.

Foolish post it was not even carver who set up this...
If you dont agree with it dont donate its simple no one is forcing you to do anything.
Carver puts alot into KB with his vids ect im more than happy to help out as a thanks for all the entertainment he has provided.

[short-circuit]

Carver puts alot into KB with his vids ect im more than happy to help out as a thanks for all the entertainment he has provided.

Throw him some peanuts then - monkeys have no use for money

[ynot slow]

Perhaps you could make some kind of media circus out of the whole event. You might get found guilty but you could also get a whole load of celebrity (and potentially $$$$) out of it.

Yep Lisa Lewis classic example of fine upstanding Hamilton citizen.

Define a road is lawyers angle to get off,but having posted video,told all here about the stunt(bloody good to)sort of says guilty as charged.Sure the lawyers are saying fight it,they get the dollars regardless.

Front up in court without lawyers,tell your story to the judge,explaining you thought it was fun at the time,now realise it was stupid,as many dumb idiots might try to emulate it.The judge might be impressed that you're not denying it,but was spur of moment idea,never to be done again(tui anyone).

[Cr1MiNaL]

A two-faced cock smoker!

Sorry Carver, It's hard to sympathise with you when others are expected to man up for some other little cunt's misbehaviours, innit?.

The cops don't need to be sure of a conviction in this country. Simply laying a charge such as Dangerous Driving can fuck someone's life over in itself.

Only this one is my friend... know what that means or do you just go around flaming everyone for your pathetic little life... get over it dude!

[Madness]

Only this one is my friend... know what that means or do you just go around flaming everyone for your pathetic little life... get over it dude!

You're pathetic.

[Slicksta]

Throw him some peanuts then - monkeys have no use for money

Ah yet another "intelligent" reply from mr short-circuit

[Quasievil]

Carver Dangerous driving eh..............who would have thought BWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

[Cr1MiNaL]

Simply laying a charge such as Dangerous Driving can fuck someone's life over in itself.

Well all I can say is, good thing yours is half way through ol man coz u aint gettin any sweetr.

[sleemanj]

So let's get this straight mr Carver, you deny, unequivocably, that it was you who did this stunt?



I really did this.


Sorry, but "reasonable doubt it was me" is the most plainly retarded defense ever. You'd have better luck with getting Chewbacca along.

[_STAIN_]

haha, dangerous is the charge.
lack of proof is the defence

they need to prove what was dangerous about this or who it was a danger to. You're a skilled and competent rider, riding a specialist bike over an obstacle. The bridge ride has been done at least once before that I can remember back in the 70's. May pay to get their names, don't believe they were ever charged. You were in total control and never posed any danger to yourself. The person on the bride was part of your pedestrian safety control crew ?

Publish the exact wording of the charge.

Would seem a new sign may be required "Please do not use the Arches to cross the river"

[sidecar bob]

So let's get this straight mr Carver, you deny, unequivocably, that it was you who did this stunt?


No, he only admits to being a weasal that cant take the heat when he gets busted for it.

[Madness]

Weasels are all too common these days. I reckon we need to start culling the fuckers.

[Crasherfromwayback]

No, he only admits to being a weasal that cant take the heat when he gets busted for it.

Incorrect! He also admits he only likes attention when it suits him!

[Grahameeboy]

Only this one is my friend... know what that means or do you just go around flaming everyone for your pathetic little life... get over it dude!

Mmm...friends do dumb stuff...nothing wrong with flaming friends if they are nobs....

[Mom]

Pooh! What is that smell?

By crikey, I smell TROLL!

[Madness]

No thanks for the green Madness. Why are you going to beat me up?
Whatever gave you that idea? Are you a bit paranoid Raj?.

[Cr1MiNaL]

Whatever gave you that idea? Are you a bit paranoid Raj?.

No not paranoid. Just that you seem to be all tough and keep blinging me like such. Anyway this thread is about Carver and his defense. Lets keep the YR64L bashing to my dedicated thread. Anyways when we do meet be sure to tell me your Madness from kb because I can't picture you.

[Madness]

Anyway this thread is about Carver and his defense.You're so considerate of others Raj.


Lets keep the YR64L bashing to my dedicated thread.You mean this one?
I'm not that great at riding bikes to date, actually I'm shit..... I have a confession to make people, agreed I'm sometimes a knob, my dick's not the elephants trunk I think it is, my head is well too large for my head and my own good, my ego ? well lets not even go there. I get up in the mornings sometime and feel like I am the Sun God RA



Anyways when we do meet be sure to tell me your Madness from kb because I can't picture you.Trust me Raj, you'll work it out.

[SARGE]

im gonna send the hamiltron prosecutors office morning tea and a case of Red Bull


do the crime .. do the time...


oh .. let me know where you're gonna be sent up .. i'll send your new cellmate a carton of smokes


pussy

[LBD]

do the crime .. do the time...


What bloody crime?

This nothing more than Mr plod being pathetic....

In my youn...many years ago when I was less...well, back when, I walked up and over the suspension wires of the shotover bridge, tetering on the 5 bundles of wires.....Please dont dob me in....

[davereid]

Haha what a great stunt, good on ya, thats a laugh.

I can't really see any public good from takin ya to court, with the exception of the fact that you will keep the plod in question off the roads for a day or so while he prepares the case and shows up in court.

And thats worth $20.

[Ferkletastic]

You're not the smartest fella around are ya?

[Morcs]

I think we would all like to know more details on the legal side of things.

I think the not guilty plead is fruitless (though not saying you actually did it!)
I think the way to go would be the circumstances around it and actually contest the dangerous side of things - who was the victim?
People jump out of aeroplanes and skydive - they dont get taken to court!

Johno have you been done for dangerous/careless/reckless before? If not, diversion could be a way to go.

Definately seek legal help, you gotta have a mate of a mate somewhere who can give you some advice before spending $$ trying to defend.

[The Stranger]

I think we would all like to know more details on the legal side of things.

I think the not guilty plead is fruitless (though not saying you actually did it!)
I think the way to go would be the circumstances around it and actually contest the dangerous side of things - who was the victim?
People jump out of aeroplanes and skydive - they dont get taken to court!

Johno have you been done for dangerous/careless/reckless before? If not, diversion could be a way to go.

Definately seek legal help, you gotta have a mate of a mate somewhere who can give you some advice before spending $$ trying to defend.

I would get a lawyer for a charge of dangerous.
The lawyer who defened my dangerous charge was from the tron and quite reasonably priced. It wouldn't cost FA for a bit of advice.

[mowgli]

Dangerous driving... on a road...? Didn't look like a "road....." But I could be wrong......

"A place to which the public have access " ? They have got to be kidding.

Reference Land Transport Act 1998 No 110 (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1998/0110/latest/DLM434511.html)
The "on a road" bit was amended out in 2005.

(2) A person may not drive a motor vehicle, or cause a motor vehicle to be driven, at a speed or in a manner which, having regard to all the circumstances, is or might be dangerous to the public or to a person.
Definitely plead not guilty. However IMHO a better defense (than I didn't do it) would be to show that in the circumstances you identified the risks then mitigated them effectively. Training, preparation, weather, equipment, your experience and any safety precautions taken on the day might swing it. Was this in fact dangerous or a carefully planned and executed stunt?

[StoneY]

Pisstake thread surely.
So a bloke does a braindead stunt, identifies himself & brags about it on the internet, & then hopes for strangers to stump up with his legal fees.
Whatever.
Clearly taking responsibility for one's actions is dead & buried.

You dont deserve to be a biker dude :angry:
Taking resposibility is one thing, harmless stunt riding where no disaster occured is INSPIRATIONAL:jerry::jerry::jerry::jerry:

This was an awesome stunt and NO ONE was hurt- the bridge wssnt damaged- and he warned NON stunt riders NOT to try it

If this was captain robby in the states hed be a fuckin hero not a villian, f it was a crsuty's stunt wed be amazed at the skill and bravery-


SIDCAR BOB :Police:
Get a life and sell your bike - you should be doomed to caging it forever on you pratt

Dontion pending - on payday

[MattRSK]

your screwed. don't drop the soap!

[T.W.R]

Don't the Mormons rally together when one of their flock is in financial strife :grouphug:

[Swoop]

You have admitted doing the stunt.
There is video of you afterwards, admitting doing the stunt.

Your only possibility is to plead gulity to doing the stunt but not to dangerous charges. The time of day would have helped ensure a lack of public around, hence making a safer environment.

I doubt there is a warning sign, saying "no riding motorbikes over the arches" or something like that. I would guess that a sign saying "no pedestrians / no walking over the arches" or similar exists?
You did not walk over the bridge, so complied with that requirement...

"Get a lawyer son. Better get ya'self a real good one..." (as the song goes).

[Krayy]

Defense in a nutshell:

"Your honour, I am a Mormon. As such, I diligently wear my magic underpants whenever attempting a stunt like this, and Mormon doctirne states that you cannot be physically harmed while wearing the magic underpants. As a demonstration of this fact, and since i am wearing the magic pannts right this minute, I invite you to try and kick me in the balls right now...go on."

If that works, he gets off...if not, well the stunt was good, and if notoriety is what you're after...

Just don't tell your cell mate what you're in for, or you'll become a bitch faster than a puppy having a sex change.

[Monstaman]

You were front page of the newspaper boasting about it with your full name. And you expect to get away with it. :lol:

In an unusual twist of events ..... I thought the whole stunt was you claiming to be Carver, you shouldn't really claim to be someone else who you don't know that did that actual stunt :msn-wink:

I always wanted to be someone else too....., like you, pity I never succeeded in doing that.... never mind.

Can't believe the law actually thought it was you, they are so gullible :shifty:

[Genestho]

You dont deserve to be a biker dude :angry:
Taking resposibility is one thing, harmless stunt riding where no disaster occured is INSPIRATIONAL:jerry::jerry::jerry::jerry:

This was an awesome stunt and NO ONE was hurt- the bridge wssnt damaged- and he warned NON stunt riders NOT to try it

If this was captain robby in the states hed be a fuckin hero not a villian, f it was a crsuty's stunt wed be amazed at the skill and bravery-


SIDCAR BOB :Police:
Get a life and sell your bike - you should be doomed to caging it forever on you pratt

Dontion pending - on payday
Yea, skill and bravery for sure.

BUT the difference is that the stunt riders you mention organise it so the cops and local body authorities are notified.

Also ambo's are on site should they be needed.
The media would've rocked up and the whole of NZ would've been watching. This is the fauxpah.

Don't give Bob a hardtime mate, he hangs off the sidecar at phenominal pace on the track. He actually IS a Legend. Scrivy his rider is 6x NZ champ.
Did you go to Paeroa this year:shit:? If so, I rest my case.

[MSTRS]

Pooh! What is that smell?

By crikey, I smell TROLL!

Nah.
What you smell is the red-hot wire about to administer the 'treatment'...

[sidecar bob]

You dont deserve to be a biker dude :angry:
Taking resposibility is one thing, harmless stunt riding where no disaster occured is INSPIRATIONAL:jerry::jerry::jerry::jerry:

This was an awesome stunt and NO ONE was hurt- the bridge wssnt damaged- and he warned NON stunt riders NOT to try it

If this was captain robby in the states hed be a fuckin hero not a villian, f it was a crsuty's stunt wed be amazed at the skill and bravery-


SIDCAR BOB :Police:
Get a life and sell your bike - you should be doomed to caging it forever on you pratt

Dontion pending - on payday

A fuckin hero??? W.T.F. fighting & dying for your country's freedom once made a man a hero, Now it seems you just need to do something idiotic & not the least bit brave & brag about it loudly.
Oh yea, hes a legend, give the man a medal for bravery!!! Grow up.

[Goblin]

they need to prove what was dangerous about this or who it was a danger to. You're a skilled and competent rider, riding a specialist bike over an obstacle. The bridge ride has been done at least once before that I can remember back in the 70's. May pay to get their names, don't believe they were ever charged. You were in total control and never posed any danger to yourself. The person on the bride was part of your pedestrian safety control crew ?

Publish the exact wording of the charge.

Would seem a new sign may be required "Please do not use the Arches to cross the river"


You have admitted doing the stunt.
There is video of you afterwards, admitting doing the stunt.

Your only possibility is to plead gulity to doing the stunt but not to dangerous charges. The time of day would have helped ensure a lack of public around, hence making a safer environment.

I doubt there is a warning sign, saying "no riding motorbikes over the arches" or something like that. I would guess that a sign saying "no pedestrians / no walking over the arches" or similar exists?
You did not walk over the bridge, so complied with that requirement...

"Get a lawyer son. Better get ya'self a real good one..." (as the song goes).


Don't the Mormons rally together when one of their flock is in financial strife :grouphug:I think these posts sum it up. No point pleading not guilty with all the evidence you did it but proving it wasn't dangerous might get you off.
Good luck! :sunny:

[Leyton]

Yeah I will flick you a $20 next payday if things are looking squared up in the finance department:Punk:

[Morcs]

Reference Land Transport Act 1998 No 110 (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1998/0110/latest/DLM434511.html)
The "on a road" bit was amended out in 2005.

(2) A person may not drive a motor vehicle, or cause a motor vehicle to be driven, at a speed or in a manner which, having regard to all the circumstances, is or might be dangerous to the public or to a person.
Definitely plead not guilty. However IMHO a better defense (than I didn't do it) would be to show that in the circumstances you identified the risks then mitigated them effectively. Training, preparation, weather, equipment, your experience and any safety precautions taken on the day might swing it. Was this in fact dangerous or a carefully planned and executed stunt?

Agree with your comment.

As the the legislation, there was no speed involved, and what manner? he rode in a straight line at about 5kph.

[Krayy]

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:

"Mormon folklore is a body of expressive culture unique to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) and its members. It includes tales, oral history, popular beliefs, customs, music, stunts, jokes, and other traditions.

Wilson said Mormon folktales often affirm the group’s beliefs that people doing the Lord's work may receive divine protection. "It's a rhetorical strategy designed to persuade the audience to accept a certain point of view or to follow a certain course of action,"

In other words...God told me to do it!! Hell it works as a defense for drowning someone who's been possessed.

[Ronin]

Agree with your comment.

As the the legislation, there was no speed involved, and what manner? he rode in a straight line at about 5kph.

Or in a manner is the key bit here.

[Coldrider]

Charge should be using an unavailable lane.......
The problem it is a place that is accessible to the public.

[Swoop]

Have you considered approaching the Mormon church?
After spreading the word via the use of motorcyckes, surely they would be happy to pass the plate around to assist with $$'s?

It works for bishop tamaki when he needs a new harley-davidson or a new yacht.

[klingon]

Did he do the 'stunt'? - Yes
Did he know it was illegal when he did it? - Yes
Did he then brag about it (repeatedly) in public? - Yes

I suspect if he had just kept quiet about it, he wouldn't have been prosecuted. It's the repeated bragging and drawing attention to himself that has been his downfall.

If someone is wrongly accused of doing something then I will fully support their right to defend themselves in court, and as a taxpayer I am even prepared to fund the process to ensure justice is done.

When someone did the thing they are accused of doing, and brags about it repeatedly, I resent them wasting everyone's time by then pretending they didn't do it and playing (expensive) silly games with the system.

There are plenty of people out there who genuinely need our help and are suffering hardship through no fault of their own. Carver is the last person I will be giving money to.

[Conquiztador]

Carver has balls. Truly.

BUT if he keeps on getting on the wrong side of the law it will restrict his chances to make a living outta it. And travel doing it.

I think it is better to learn from this for next time:
- Make sure you have the OK to do it.
- Make sure there is St Johns (or someone else) on site just in case...
- Get the media involved before it happens so you get the publicity you deserve. (There is gold in those hills son...)
- Have your lawyer sorted BEFORE you do these stunts.

If you keep on doing these stunts w/o having stuff in place, you are no better then any other hooligan/boyracer/idiot who rides at 200k/h down a residental street and then brags about it.

If you are gonna do this stuff and get respect for it, do it properly. Or take the consequences.

I admire you for having the balls to do this stunt. But that is where it stops. Learn from this and be more professional about it next time.

No $$'s from me. There is currently a small boy and a young mum who needs my spare $$'s much more.

[FROSTY]

This is a troll thread. OMG tell me it is.
Just to clear up a bit of BS thats going around.
The "heros" you lot are refering to . Basejumpers,ghost rider,Bunjy jumpers,stunt riders etc. No matter WHERE in the world they are if they dont get it cleared by the local powers that be they face procecution.
They do their thing knowing full well this may happen.
You don't think base jumpers have getaway cars for no reason do ya?
I mean honestly Carver diddn't think he would get to break a bunch of local laws and NOT face possible prosecution.
Now before people start getting high and mighty I'm NOT saying the stunt wasn't cool just that theres a time to pay the piper
If a fund is being set up I'd suggest it be for the poor bastards that actually genuinely did nothing wrong except to chose the wrong people to ride with and are out to loose their licences and jobs as a result.

[Swoop]

Did he know it was illegal when he did it? - Yes
Well, this might be a grey area. What knowledge did he have that it is, in fact, illegal? Signs saying "do not do xyz"?

Risky? - Yes.
Common sense not to do something (should I jump off that cliff?)? - Possibly.
A "challenge" to achieve something potentially not attempted previously? - Yes.
Illegal to ride over the arches on a motorcycle? - Hmm. According to whom, or what rules? How are these (possible) "rules" promulgated?

[Morcs]

Well, this might be a grey area. What knowledge did he have that it is, in fact, illegal? Signs saying "do not do xyz"?

Risky? - Yes.
Common sense not to do something (should I jump off that cliff?)? - Possibly.
A "challenge" to achieve something potentially not attempted previously? - Yes.
Illegal to ride over the arches on a motorcycle? - Hmm. According to whom, or what rules? How are these (possible) "rules" promulgated?

Plus, a non road legal bike riding over an obstacle that isnt a road.
Not sure how you can be suspended from riding on the road for that... what if it had been a push bike?

[Cr1MiNaL]

Don't the Mormons rally together when one of their flock is in financial strife :grouphug:

I would have thought so but apparently not (yet). You really get a sense of whose got your back are when you are in strife, everyones your mate when things are going well for you. I personally am a lot better off with that knowledge.

Perhaps you could plead religion. Say I had a vision in my dreams and this is what God asked me to do, I mean that is the Mormon way is it not! :laugh:

If that fails you could plead INSANITY :yeah::nya:

[st00ji]

knowledge (or lack of) regarding the legality of his actions is irrelevant since ignorance of the law is not accepted as a defence.

clearly the police believe one or more laws have been broken, hence the prosecution.

(hope you get off, hah)

[scracha]

oh .. let me know where you're gonna be sent up .. i'll send your new cellmate a carton of smokes

I'll send the cellmate some KY Jelly so he can break Carver in nice n' gentle.

Sensible idea would have been to put a few clips on youtube with a linky to credit card to pay the "defense fund" and download the full video.

[Swoop]

You don't think base jumpers have getaway cars for no reason do ya?
The activity of BASE jumping is not illegal.
The potential to be tresspassing on property, is what can be charged.

[Morcs]

George bush sent hundreds of thousands of troops to Iraq and Afganistan because God told him to.

Surely Carver can get away with riding over a bridge because God told him too?

[Katman]

I'd run with the insanity plea.

[Nagash]

I'll stick in a bit on the next pay day.

Not even going to bother addressing whether or not he deserves it.. it's all opinion innit?

[Swoop]

I'd run with the insanity plea.
Yup. The majority of your posts confirm that.

[sidecar bob]

I fully cant believe that rational adults are pledging money to this wasted cause.
It looks like sad attention seeking behaviour.
If you really think the act of riding a motorcycle illegally is heroic you need to get out from behind you computer desk a bit more.

[FROSTY]

The activity of BASE jumping is not illegal.
The potential to be tresspassing on property, is what can be charged.
Not getting into an arguement re specifics more that they know they will be in trouble with the law if they do it.

[Grubber]

Wot he said times 100. Fuck man...next time I get busted for being a naughty boy...I'll just ask every hard working KBer for some bucks then eh?

You're an attention seeking twat...you got more attention than you bargined for. Ask the 'o' mighty one to help you out.

Oh and what he said! I have 2 kids at home that i would like to send to uni.Let me see....donate my money to an absolute f......in idiot or see that my kids get an education so they won't turn out to be an absolute f.....in idiot.NO CONTEST ya jerk. What a cheek even asking.Crawl back in ya hole dude!

[Morcs]

I fully cant believe that rational adults are pledging money to this wasted cause.
It looks like sad attention seeking behaviour.
If you really think the act of riding a motorcycle illegally is heroic you need to get out from behind you computer desk a bit more.

Hardly. I posted up the thread for this.

Ive paid thousands and thousands of dollors in fines in my past, Ive never asked for any help paying them as they were rightly deserved.

Ive been convicted of dangerous driving, and this isnt.

[Grubber]

A fuckin hero??? W.T.F. fighting & dying for your country's freedom once made a man a hero, Now it seems you just need to do something idiotic & not the least bit brave & brag about it loudly.
Oh yea, hes a legend, give the man a medal for bravery!!! Grow up.

Too much!!!! You got it in one dude. So many rational quotes:stupid: on here to mention. In a nutshell....you were a dork mate and the time to pay is now here.

[sidecar bob]

Hardly. I posted up the thread for this.

Ive paid thousands and thousands of dollors in fines in my past, Ive never asked for any help paying them as they were rightly deserved.

Ive been convicted of dangerous driving, and this isnt.

Slow learner?? I got the message after a very few fines.

[PrincessBandit]

Oooh, someone being charged over a video on the internet :eek:
Now, if it were a dodgy sex tape, that might be a bit more exciting (then again, perhaps not); and I don't recall anyone else being up on the bridge with him....definitely a solo effort.


He cant answer that on here GB....well not twice anyway....:laugh:
Yeah, double jeopardy and all that?



Say I had a vision in my dreams and this is what God asked me to do, I mean that is the Mormon way is it not! :laugh:

If that fails you could plead INSANITY :yeah::nya:
Joseph Smith told him to do it.

[ManDownUnder]

I don't believe I am saying this but... a shit fight in the middle of this thread ain't helping anyone.

Carver is totally entitled to legal defence. We all are, all that's happening is a friend of his is going into bat for him. I'd like to think I have friends that would do the same for me if there was a cause they believed in

If people want to contribute they can, if not - don't. I don't believe it was a ever a complicated issue and the usual KB BS is simply complicating things (although it could also be rarking up the supporters thereby getting Carver some additional support funds).

I simply hope justice is done.

[allycatz]

Perhaps cops are worried about the example it sets when Little Johnny trries to ride his BMX over and falls off the bridge.....It was a great stunt but as others have said perhaps some forward planning wouldn't of gone amiss

[Leyton]

Perhaps cops are worried about the example it sets when Little Johnny trries to ride his BMX over and falls off the bridge.....It was a great stunt but as others have said perhaps some forward planning wouldn't of gone amiss

I think NZ is too PC and Soft.. where are this Johnny's irresponsible parents, perhaps they have something to say about why they would let there little Johnny ride humps at that age.

People have been performing stunts for years... kids, adults monkeys.. you name it.

[allycatz]

I dont disagree...my son did an illegal abseil off the mangaweka viaduct much to the delight of the Jap tourists at the bottom....my mum wouldnt of known a 1/4 of what I got up to as a kid. Kids are curious is all

[Leyton]

Yeah I must admit the thought popped into my head, "Who is going to try it next?" also.. hehe

[Mschvs]

The Mormon's Bridge Video

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photoshop you say?

Here is the vid you have all been waiting for.....

I really did this.



Mormon Few Stunt Crew

NZ's most notorious (retarded) stunt crew

__________________________________________________ ________________________________

Does the bit at the end of the video with Carver talking http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60NCcEuuu0Q not give it away?? I guess the guy who ACTUALLY did it could have finished up, given Carver his gear to put on. Or you might both own the exact same gear. Who does the bike belong to?

Is there a law that says - you are not allowed to ride a motorbike over the arches of a bridge?

Obviously this has been classed as dangerous driving (riding).

You all say no one was in danger ... sure, I don't disagree with that necessarily, but is anyone in danger when someone attempts a quarter mile down an empty street in the middle of nowhere with a handbrake turn at the end? ... No they are not! Hasn't stopped the cops from prosecuting them for dangerous driving (if caught of course!!).

I for one will not be giving you money Carver, you seem to have plenty enough cash to buy bikes, wreck them, buy another bike, wreck/thrash that etc etc, pay exhuberant amounts of $$ for the petrol you must burn through, buy video cameras, an internet connection to upload them to you tube. Or maybe someone else foots the bill for all that ... then ask them to fund your legal aid!! Why all of a sudden a slow in the cash flow? Did mum and dad cut you off after this stunt??

[Mschvs]

Whoever gave me red rep for this one ... I'm pretty sure I can guess ....can suck it.

I'm entitled to my opinion, and this forum is asking for it .... and I gave it.

I'm not crying about it.

Carver can do what he wants, but why should other people have to pay for it .... as has been said, there are much more worthwhile causes then saving Carver from probably a relatively mediocre fine which probably wouldn't even cost the 2k he is asking for as a 'good start'.

Obviously he's been prosecuted for something before as otherwise he would get diversion wouldn't he??

[Maha]

Whoever gave me red rep for this one ... I'm pretty sure I can guess ....can suck it.

I'm entitled to my opinion, and this forum is asking for it .... and I gave it.

I'm not crying about it.

Carver can do what he wants, but why should other people have to pay for it .... as has been said, there are much more worthwhile causes then saving Carver from probably a relatively mediocre fine which probably wouldn't even cost the 2k he is asking for as a 'good start'.

Obviously he's been prosecuted for something before as otherwise he would get diversion wouldn't he??

Green sent....should bump ya run rate up by 134 .....:eek:

[Ronin]

Whoever gave me red rep for this one ... I'm pretty sure I can guess ....can suck it.

I'm entitled to my opinion, and this forum is asking for it .... and I gave it.

I'm not crying about it.

Carver can do what he wants, but why should other people have to pay for it .... as has been said, there are much more worthwhile causes then saving Carver from probably a relatively mediocre fine which probably wouldn't even cost the 2k he is asking for as a 'good start'.

Obviously he's been prosecuted for something before as otherwise he would get diversion wouldn't he??

I think we should start a green bling fund. Obviously Mschvs has done nothing wrong. There was no sign on the thread saying "don't post your opinion".

[Morcs]

There was no sign on the thread saying "don't post your opinion".

You'd better re-read the first post again! :done:

[sidecar bob]

You'd better re-read the first post again! :done:

Bit late for that. I see at least one dumbass has given.
I might start a thread for a box of piss fund, id really like to get one on the way home from work & id rather someone else paid for it.

[The Stranger]

Carver can do what he wants, but why should other people have to pay for it.

Shouldn't you be addressing this to the cops, they're the only ones making us pay for it.

[Leyton]

I might start a thread for a box of piss fund, id really like to get one on the way home from work & id rather someone else paid for it.

ROFL!!!! Nice.

[ManDownUnder]

...they're the only ones making us pay for it.

I'm not paying for it...?

[The Stranger]

I'm not paying for it...?

You don't pay taxes. Bastard, how you get away with that?

[ManDownUnder]

You don't pay taxes. Bastard, how you get away with that?

You speak of the prosecution funds then?

[Morcs]

Bit late for that. I see at least one dumbass has given.
I might start a thread for a box of piss fund, id really like to get one on the way home from work & id rather someone else paid for it.

If you dont like this thread, please, do me a favour, and kindly Fuck Off.

Thankyou.

[sidecar bob]

If you dont like this thread, please, do me a favour, and kindly Fuck Off.

Thankyou.

Dude!!!! i LOVE it, in fact its my all time favourite thread ever!!! A wee glimpse into the minds of spoilt brat Gen Y yoofs.
If my kids behaved like this (begging for money & shirking responsibility after carrying on like a cock) id flog them with a wet rope.

[Maha]

Dude!!!! i LOVE it, in fact its my all time favourite thread ever!!! A wee glimpse into the minds of spoilt brat Gen Y yoofs.
If my kids behaved like this (begging for money & shirking responsibility after carrying on like a cock) id flog them with a wet rope.

Carver would like that.......the flogging bit....:confused:

[Laava]

I don't understand it actually! I met you Carver and you seem like a pretty good guy to me plus I applaud your stunt, so why are you defending it? Surely you will man up in court by yourself and say"yes your honour twas me, I did it cos it was there" and take the token fine like a man. You knew when you did it that the cops would come and talk to you, so do yourself a favour and fess up. You will get much more respect and can spend this little fund on a celebration! Not being negative here, just realistic. IMO

[PrincessBandit]

Yep Carver, consider it your cross to bear for your awesomeness.

[McJim]

Dangerous use of a motor vehicle is only a motoring offence innit? It's not like you will get a crminal conviction from it anyway. Fine will be prolly be less than legal expenses.

[retro asian]

Carver you really need to get Sting, Bono and other fab 80's singers to collaborate and record a music video of the Fat Max Carver song... that will get the public on your side!!

:shifty: :Punk: :laugh: :confused::mellow:

[SARGE]

A fuckin hero??? W.T.F. fighting & dying for your country's freedom once made a man a hero, Now it seems you just need to do something idiotic & not the least bit brave & brag about it loudly.
Oh yea, hes a legend, give the man a medal for bravery!!! Grow up.

i like you already....:Punk:

[Patrick]

Haha what a great stunt, good on ya, thats a laugh.

I can't really see any public good from takin ya to court, with the exception of the fact that you will keep the plod in question off the roads for a day or so while he prepares the case and shows up in court.

And thats worth $20.

Nope... they have file breifers who sit in the office all day, every day, paid well for briefing files. The cop will be out on patrol, still.......


Reference Land Transport Act 1998 No 110 (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1998/0110/latest/DLM434511.html)
The "on a road" bit was amended out in 2005.

(2) A person may not drive a motor vehicle, or cause a motor vehicle to be driven, at a speed or in a manner which, having regard to all the circumstances, is or might be dangerous to the public or to a person.
Definitely plead not guilty. However IMHO a better defense (than I didn't do it) would be to show that in the circumstances you identified the risks then mitigated them effectively. Training, preparation, weather, equipment, your experience and any safety precautions taken on the day might swing it. Was this in fact dangerous or a carefully planned and executed stunt?

Carefully planned? Nope. Authorities weren't advised, no safety, no first aid/Ambo as a precaution, nothing. Perfectly executed? Yep...


You have admitted doing the stunt.
There is video of you afterwards, admitting doing the stunt.

Your only possibility is to plead gulity to doing the stunt but not to dangerous charges. The time of day would have helped ensure a lack of public around, hence making a safer environment.

I doubt there is a warning sign, saying "no riding motorbikes over the arches" or something like that. I would guess that a sign saying "no pedestrians / no walking over the arches" or similar exists?
You did not walk over the bridge, so complied with that requirement...

"Get a lawyer son. Better get ya'self a real good one..." (as the song goes).

Common sense. Guns don't have a sign "Don't shoot yourself in the head or you may die" either....

But then again, they do have warning signs on cling wrap plastic, saying "don't place over your face or head, as suffocation may result..." No shit Sherlock....


Yea, skill and bravery for sure.

BUT the difference is that the stunt riders you mention organise it so the cops and local body authorities are notified.

Also ambo's are on site should they be needed.
The media would've rocked up and the whole of NZ would've been watching. This is the fauxpah.

Don't give Bob a hardtime mate, he hangs off the sidecar at phenominal pace on the track. He actually IS a Legend. Scrivy his rider is 6x NZ champ.
Did you go to Paeroa this year:shit:? If so, I rest my case.

Organisation, and non organised, is the clear difference.


Charge should be using an unavailable lane.......
The problem it is a place that is accessible to the public.

By driving up there, he, as a "member of the public," made it "accessable to the public."


Illegal to ride over the arches on a motorcycle? - Hmm. According to whom, or what rules? How are these (possible) "rules" promulgated?

A "bridge" is a "road." A "bridge" includes the structure, I believe.... But I could be wrong.....


Perhaps cops are worried about the example it sets when Little Johnny trries to ride his BMX over and falls off the bridge.....It was a great stunt but as others have said perhaps some forward planning wouldn't of gone amiss

Well said that man... Ooops... Chickie babe.....




Obviously he's been prosecuted for something before as otherwise he would get diversion wouldn't he??

No diversion. Carries disqualification, so no diversion.

[SARGE]

I simply hope justice is done.

if there were any justice they woulda pinched his head off at birth

[SARGE]

Green sent....should bump ya run rate up by 134 .....:eek:

ditto for another few hundy from me

[Madness]

if there were any justice they woulda pinched his head off at birth

You talking about our ethnic friend or Carver?

[Ronin]

You'd better re-read the first post again! :done:

Negativity is relative to individual perception. You didn't clearly state no opinions at all. :done:

[SARGE]

Dude!!!! i LOVE it, in fact its my all time favourite thread ever!!! A wee glimpse into the minds of spoilt brat Gen Y yoofs.
If my kids behaved like this (begging for money & shirking responsibility after carrying on like a cock) id flog them with a wet rope.

i think i love you Bob .. we should hang out ...:love:


its like looking in a mirror...:love::love:

[Ronin]

If you dont like this thread, please, do me a favour, and kindly Fuck Off.

Thankyou.

Jesus, if everybody on KB followed that particular piece of wisdom then there would be no KB.

[SARGE]

You talking about our ethnic friend or Carver?

either .. both ...

[Patrick]

Dude!!!! i LOVE it, in fact its my all time favourite thread ever!!! A wee glimpse into the minds of spoilt brat Gen Y yoofs.
If my kids behaved like this (begging for money & shirking responsibility after carrying on like a cock) id flog them with a wet rope.

Well said, that man.... Gotta share the bling....

Would have been totally cool if the responsible thing had been done, authorities sought out and permission gained. But Gen Y aint into that.......

[tri boy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9wTT-2v0nE
Loving this thread. Troll or not:jerry:

[SARGE]

yea Craver .. think of the mad propz your little hangers on will give you..


Tonight at 6 .. daredevil motorcycle rider takes responsibility for bridge stunt .. you could turn this into a PR goldmine ...


nah .. never happen :doh:


that human spiderman dude dont beg people for cash .. he has it set aside just for such an eventuality..

just like GenY to live life on credit though .. innit?

[Patrick]

The Mormon's Bridge Video

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

photoshop you say?

Here is the vid you have all been waiting for.....

I really did this.



Mormon Few Stunt Crew

NZ's most notorious (retarded) stunt crew

__________________________________________________ ________________________________

Does the bit at the end of the video with Carver talking http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60NCcEuuu0Q not give it away?? I guess the guy who ACTUALLY did it could have finished up, given Carver his gear to put on. Or you might both own the exact same gear. Who does the bike belong to?



NO stopping the public at all? 1.06 into the vid, I see three vehicles crossing the bridge......

"Dangerous to who?" was asked ealier.....

Dangerous to those people crossing the bridge in their vehicles............:doh:

[dangerous]

The police are taking Johno to court regarding his stunt - riding over the fairview bridge in hamilton for those who live under rocks :confused:

Lets support him by helping with his legal defense.


HAHAHAAAAAAAAAaaaaaa FUCK OFF... :laugh:


not read past the 1st page, not interested... if this is not a set up then the twat deserves what he gets, do the crime do the time.


Tell ya what the next time I get a speeding ticket, Ill get you to fund raise for me.

[merv]

Tell ya what the next time I get a speeding ticket, Ill get you to fund raise for me.

Gee if your were speeding dangerous that would be dangerous and not even a stunt.

[Slicksta]

Man this thread has been hijacked completely.
sidecar bob and the anti carver crew:
You strike me as a closed minded individuals, its peoples choice what they do with there money if someone wants to donate who cares its there choice
Why should they need to justify that to you? What the fuck even gives you that right to demand that?
I spend my money on piss and smokes while there are kids starving to death in Africa no one has ever asked me to justify this.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Man this thread has been hijacked completely.
sidecar bob and the anti carver crew:
You strike me as a closed minded individuals, its peoples choice what they do with there money if someone wants to donate who cares its there choice
Why should they need to justify that to you? What the fuck even gives you that right to demand that?
I spend my money on piss and smokes while there are kids starving to death in Africa no one has ever asked me to justify this.

Bullshit! People are saying what they think...that to me is the whole idea of this place!

Start a thread about you smoking and drinking instead of donating money...you'll get people's opinions (if they give a fuck) about that too.

If you wanna give that blowhard a donation in the hopes he'll let you suck his cock...go right ahead! Just don't winge to us about it if we think you're a poofta too. They're called opinions. We're all allowed them.

[Slicksta]

Please keep negative opinions out of this thread. thankyou.
[/SIZE][/U][/B]

to quote the original poster
Why don't you start a thread about why he does not deserve your money.
Congrats on the attempted personal insults what are trying to achieve by that exactly you judge me with out even knowing me.

[Crasherfromwayback]

You strike me as a closed minded individuals, its peoples choice what they do with there money if someone wants to donate who cares its there choice
Why should they need to justify that to you? What the fuck even gives you that right to demand that?
I spend my money on piss and smokes while there are kids starving to death in Africa no one has ever asked me to justify this.


to quote the original poster
Why don't you start a thread about why he does not deserve your money.
Congrats on the attempted personal insults what are trying to achieve by that exactly you judge me with out even knowing me.

No...I'm judging you by your post (s) here. Just like you are me. Again..opinions. Harden up.:crybaby:

[StoneY]

HAHAHAAAAAAAAAaaaaaa FUCK OFF... :laugh:

not read past the 1st page, not interested... if this is not a set up then the twat deserves what he gets, do the crime do the time.

Tell ya what the next time I get a speeding ticket, Ill get you to fund raise for me.

And we care what a dickhead like you thinks?
Was a harmless stunt- the stuntman getting nailed by the pigs- any self respecting freedom fighter will either donate or offer moral support

Wankers like you dont deserve a motorcycle, you have no concept what theyre about (its called FREEDOM) and no one was hurt and nothing was damaged in this stunt

[Madness]

And we care what a dickhead like you thinks?
Was a harmless stunt- the stuntman getting nailed by the pigs- any self respecting freedom fighter will either donate or offer moral support

Wankers like you dont deserve a motorcycle, you have no concept what theyre about (its called FREEDOM) and no one was hurt and nothing was damaged in this stunt

So how much are you coughing up?, seeing as you're such a big "Freedom Fighter"

[Genestho]

Is there something negative about encouraging him to man up, accept the consequences, and the ability to make good from a potential career ending situation?

There's alot to be said for a man that says "I did it"

It means you believe in what you do, and you accept the consequences that go with choices. That earns respect.

[Morcs]

There seems to be a lot of resentment in this thread, no doubt you are old, sour pricks, stuck in dead end jobs, cant actually ride, and have fat ugly wives. Its no wonder I think the majority of Kiwis are self richeous, deluded fucking idiots.

Your all showing a lot of balls posting on the internet, but when It comes down to it, none of you have the actual balls to do anything like this, secretly you wish you had when you were youn, or you had a go and failed, whatever.

I really dont care, take your shit fight elsewhere.
Shall I go post negative, harsh, insulting shit in other donation threads? Oh No I couldnt do that, and no-one would stand for it.

Go play tough guys elsewhere.

Faggots.

[StoneY]

I don't believe I am saying this but... a shit fight in the middle of this thread ain't helping anyone.

Carver is totally entitled to legal defence. We all are, all that's happening is a friend of his is going into bat for him. I'd like to think I have friends that would do the same for me if there was a cause they believed in

If people want to contribute they can, if not - don't. I don't believe it was a ever a complicated issue and the usual KB BS is simply complicating things (although it could also be rarking up the supporters thereby getting Carver some additional support funds).

I simply hope justice is done.

Nicely said good points and neutral as


A fuckin hero??? W.T.F. fighting & dying for your country's freedom once made a man a hero, Now it seems you just need to do something idiotic & not the least bit brave & brag about it loudly.
Oh yea, hes a legend, give the man a medal for bravery!!! Grow up.

Grew up long ago - I still stand by post you quoted :motu:


So how much are you coughing up?, seeing as you're such a big "Freedom Fighter"

More than you have obviously :laugh:


The guy pulled a fun, non harmfull stunt, taking as many precautions as he could to do it well and right

It doesnt justify the PC left wing do gooders of NZ prosecuting a guy for what in the past would have been seen as 'just being Kiwi'

Sir Ed did it 'because it was there' and whatever carvers reasons it was a similar spirit behind his stunt (now don't take that i'm saying hes in the same league as Sir Ed but the spirits pure KIWI)

Fuckin schoolyard Bullrush all over again, wrap the populace in cotton wool and punish anyone for having some balls and enjoying some real fun

NO one was hurt- why should he get prosecuted?
And ups to Morcs for standing up for a mate- on ya buddy

[short-circuit]

There seems to be a lot of resentment in this thread, no doubt you are old, sour pricks, stuck in dead end jobs, cant actually ride, and have fat ugly wives. Its no wonder I think the majority of Kiwis are self richeous, deluded fucking idiots.

Your all showing a lot of balls posting on the internet, but when It comes down to it, none of you have the actual balls to do anything like this, secretly you wish you had when you were youn, or you had a go and failed, whatever.

I really dont care, take your shit fight elsewhere.
Shall I go post negative, harsh, insulting shit in other donation threads? Oh No I couldnt do that, and no-one would stand for it.

Go play tough guys elsewhere.

Faggots.


Might I suggest - a wee rest from the internet and some counselling

[Morcs]

Might I suggest - a wee rest from the internet and some counselling

Its to wet to do the ATNR tonight, which is my usual midweek chance to vent...

[dangerous]

And we care what a dickhead like you thinks?
Was a harmless stunt- the stuntman getting nailed by the pigs- any self respecting freedom fighter will either donate or offer moral support

Wankers like you dont deserve a motorcycle, you have no concept what theyre about (its called FREEDOM) and no one was hurt and nothing was damaged in this stunt

hmmm... so when a halfwit doing a stunt stuffs up in public and harms your 3 kids, what opion would you have then?
'harmless'? how can a stunt be 'harmles' wouldnt be a stunt then would it?
'dickhead' 'wanker'... ohh dear how old are you?
I dont dersive a motorcycle ya right there, thats why I have 7!
concept of motorcycles... Im not going to even humour that darft comment (shit just did)

[StoneY]

hmmm... so when a halfwit doing a stunt stuffs up in public and harms your 3 kids, what opion would you have then?
'harmless'? how can a stunt be 'harmles' wouldnt be a stunt then would it?
'dickhead' 'wanker'... ohh dear how old are you?
I dont dersive a motorcycle ya right there, thats why I have 7!
concept of motorcycles... Im not going to even humour that darft comment (shit just did)

Well my three teenage kids werent on THAT bridge coz carver made sure he wasnt doing it near publics who may get squashed if he fell

Wow 7 bikes you still dont deserve :lol:
Sorry i only have 2, but they make me oh so happy...just 2, thats all:shake:

[ital916]

NO one was hurt- why should he get prosecuted?


Sigh.....if no one got prosecuted just for the fact that no one got hurt then there would be problems. It is for the times where someone will pull a "harmless" stunt and some one does get hurt.

Its like saying its alright to blow shit up in public as long as no one gets hurt. Doesnt mean its right oh and schoolyard bullrush and riding a motorcycle over a bridge are two different things. One is in a controlled environment the other is not.

If carver wanted to do his stunt, he should have notified the authorities and got permission to do so. Would be saving him trouble now.

[dangerous]

Well my three teenage kids werent on THAT bridge coz carver made sure he wasnt doing it near publics who may get squashed if he fell
But I saw the vid and Im bloody sure I saw cars crossing the bridge... and lets not forget his own safety/life he could have been easly killed.

[ital916]

But I saw the vid and Im bloody sure I saw cars crossing the bridge... and lets not forget his own safety/life he could have been easly killed.

And dont forget the taxpayers money that goes into fixing him up if he falls off. We cant forget that.....public responsibilty that is.

[StoneY]

Actually I am going to MAN up here and apologise to SIDECAR BOB-
I was a wanker to you Bob and could have been more tactful

And you Dangerous- again I way over ranted- and name called wrongfully

But its because I am passionate about Kiwi's being molly coddled and legally tied down to stupid legislative protectionism that should have never interfered in our previously adventurous nature:
We always admired in PRIOR generations for doing mad, brave and OFTEN foolish acts for the sake of it

Why not support carver for this- he did good
Wont bother ya all again the money I sent to the legal fund speaks for itsef

And truly Bob- I was overboard back there :(
:done:

[SixPackBack]

Perhaps cops are worried about the example it sets when Little Johnny trries to ride his BMX over and falls off the bridge.....It was a great stunt but as others have said perhaps some forward planning wouldn't of gone amiss

............And the role of Darwin??

The human genome is getting weaker every generation. The fact is if carver had failed and plummeted to his death the motorcycle world would be that much richer, conversely his success completing this cunning stunt should be rejoiced, and most importantly bitches should be forwarding their countrywide collective fannies en mass for impregnation and reproduction so that a super race of trickers and stunters can inherit the land of Aotearoa.......

:done:

[dangerous]

Actually I am going to MAN up here and apologise to SIDECAR BOB-
I was a wanker to you Bob and could have been more tactful

And you Dangerous- again I way over ranted- and name called wrongfully

But its because I am passionate about Kiwi's being molly coddled and legally tied down to stupid legislative protectionism that should have never interfered in our previously adventurous nature:
We always admired in PRIOR generations for doing mad, brave and OFTEN foolish acts for the sake of it

Why not support carver for this- he did good
Wont bother ya all again the money I sent to the legal fund speaks for itsef

And truly Bob- I was overboard back there :(
:done:
... respect

[Madness]

The human genome is getting weaker every generation.
:done:

As is the ability for people to accept responsibility for their own actions.

[Madness]

Actually I am going to MAN up here and apologise to SIDECAR BOB-
I was a wanker to you Bob and could have been more tactful

And you Dangerous- again I way over ranted- and name called wrongfully

But its because I am passionate about Kiwi's being molly coddled and legally tied down to stupid legislative protectionism that should have never interfered in our previously adventurous nature:
We always admired in PRIOR generations for doing mad, brave and OFTEN foolish acts for the sake of it

Why not support carver for this- he did good
Wont bother ya all again the money I sent to the legal fund speaks for itsef

And truly Bob- I was overboard back there :(
:done:

I'd take back that red rep if I could.....

[StoneY]

I'd take back that red rep if I could.....

All good mate, I didnt rep anything here its a hot topic
lol (and is deseved it anyway)

[Crasherfromwayback]

There seems to be a lot of resentment in this thread, no doubt you are old, sour pricks, stuck in dead end jobs, cant actually ride, and have fat ugly wives. Its no wonder I think the majority of Kiwis are self richeous, deluded fucking idiots.

Your all showing a lot of balls posting on the internet, but when It comes down to it, none of you have the actual balls to do anything like this, secretly you wish you had when you were youn, or you had a go and failed, whatever.

I really dont care, take your shit fight elsewhere.
Shall I go post negative, harsh, insulting shit in other donation threads? Oh No I couldnt do that, and no-one would stand for it.

Go play tough guys elsewhere.

Faggots.


I'm one of the guys telling you and ya mate you're knob jockies...but the only thing you're correct about is that I'm old. We'll be requiring your job description...list of acheivements on motorcycles...and a picture of your wife/girlfriend before we can take you seriously.

Thanks in advance.

Pete

[tri boy]

.............:corn:..............
I'm addicted to this shit.
Oi Carver! Drag ya homo arse back into this thread and wind it up more.
I don't think the twentysomethings are fighting for your "rights/freedom/and all round cockheadesness'' enough.
The old fulla's(and Fulla'resses) are kicking their arse in argument.:Punk:

[NDORFN]

This is insane! (haven't read any of this thread yet but the title is enough to form my opinion). Some poor girl with a 6 week old baby lost her partner and provider under tragic circumstances... there is already a thread set up so we can make financial contributions and Carver is asking for donations to pay a fine for doing some stupid trick that's been done before. I would consider making a small contribution, $20-$50 to FIGHT the charges in court (because the one thing crazier about this thread is the fact that someone can't do something on public property causing ZERO damage and if nothing else actually creating positive publicity for a city that has just been labelled "boring" by a high-profile visitor). But there's no way I'm going to encourage Carver's short-sighted hijinks. I strongly encourage you all to do the same.

EDIT: Ok, just been informed that the request is for legal aid. Fair enough. I'll make my contribution after I've donated to the other, needier cause. You better not fucken waste it buttering up Sidewinder for a root though Carver. Serious.

[bsasuper]

Sell all of your motorcycles, that should add another $150.00

[LBD]

Still waiting for an account no....pm me

IMO defending a frivilous charge brought by the police for a person pulling of a successful stunt (or even if not successful) is a bigger picture issue than Carvers well being. I am saying the namby pamby cotton wool state is going to far....next there will be no fishing cause you may drown, no tramping cause you might get lost and put rescuers at risk, no surfing cause you may get in trouble and put the life savers at risk....etc.

Dangerous driving and disqualification? I think Carver has proven himself more in control of a motor vehical than 99 % of road users..(Maybe a little less than the sensibility of 99% of the road users, but then thats not what this is about)

I do tend to agree with those who say face up to it without beating around the bush...I just hope the Judge has enough sense to see that a prosicution/conviction is not in the public good.

[carver]

I think we would all like to know more details on the legal side of things.

I think the not guilty plead is fruitless (though not saying you actually did it!)
I think the way to go would be the circumstances around it and actually contest the dangerous side of things - who was the victim?
People jump out of aeroplanes and skydive - they dont get taken to court!

Johno have you been done for dangerous/careless/reckless before? If not, diversion could be a way to go.

Definately seek legal help, you gotta have a mate of a mate somewhere who can give you some advice before spending $$ trying to defend.

trust me, i have spoken to a lawyer well before this has even been done.
I have no real history with the police
I will have the best lawyer, and i am not bothered about the cost.
i have been questioned, and refused to say anything.
i cannot say too much on here, but my last statement says a lot if it was so black and white

[short-circuit]

refused to say anything.
i cannot say too much on here

That's not like you - gone all shy all of a sudden?

[dangerous]

no doubt you are old, sour pricks, stuck in dead end jobs, cant actually ride, and have fat ugly wives. Its no wonder I think the majority of Kiwis are self richeous, deluded fucking idiots.

Your all showing a lot of balls posting on the internet, but when It comes down to it, none of you have the actual balls to do anything like this, secretly you wish you had when you were youn, or you had a go and failed, whatever.
Faggots.
hmmmm... My job does me well and even tho quite hi up there, I have the ability to go further.
cant ride... you have a lot to learn, that is such a debaters loosers comment.
fat ugley, in the eye of the beholder.
kiwis are what? ok do tell me were you are from, tho I can guess.
balls to post? whtever
balls to do something like this... mate I took on the responsabilty of a family... nothing gets more ballsie than that.
faggots huh? yeah good on ya, on your behalf a very lame post and it reflects some what badly on ya.

[hospitalfood]

Dude!!!! i LOVE it, in fact its my all time favourite stunt ever!!! A wee glimpse into the majic of carver.
my kids would behave like this if i didn't flog them with a wet rope. donation on its way

nice one sidecar, i would donate myself if i was not having to sell toys at present to survive.
I have met carver and he is a nice guy, humble in person. and like you i also think he adds to nz motorcycling.

[Madness]

I actually admire you Carver for your two-wheeled expolits. Some of it's pretty ghey, but overall......

The fact remains that there are people being prosecuted in this country, sometimes with the same charge even, for shit they themselves didn't do. That, in my somewhat biased opinion, is more of an issue than you being charged for something you may have actually done, with some planning and forethought even.

You told me earlier that you got legal advice. There's a good chance that this advice was based on whether you could be convicted, rather than charged. This issue has also become political, what with the media attention. Sometimes too one reaps what they sow.

The po-po seem to be able to throw DD charges at anyone they like, it's then up to you to pay to defend it. This sucks if you didn't do it in the first place, trust me.

I wish you luck in defending the charge, I'm all for a bit of fun. The reality is though, that in this society you have to play by the rules or take the consequences. You got bad advice my friend.

[scumdog]

There seems to be a lot of resentment in this thread, no doubt you are old, sour pricks, stuck in dead end jobs, cant actually ride, and have fat ugly wives. Its no wonder I think the majority of Kiwis are self richeous, deluded fucking idiots.

Your all showing a lot of balls posting on the internet, but when It comes down to it, none of you have the actual balls to do anything like this, secretly you wish you had when you were youn, or you had a go and failed, whatever.

I really dont care, take your shit fight elsewhere.
Shall I go post negative, harsh, insulting shit in other donation threads? Oh No I couldnt do that, and no-one would stand for it.

Go play tough guys elsewhere.

Faggots.

Hell, you're just plain jealous of us eh....:jerry:

[ital916]

I think we would all like to know more details on the legal side of things.

I think the not guilty plead is fruitless (though not saying you actually did it!)
I think the way to go would be the circumstances around it and actually contest the dangerous side of things - who was the victim?
People jump out of aeroplanes and skydive - they dont get taken to court!

Johno have you been done for dangerous/careless/reckless before? If not, diversion could be a way to go.

Definately seek legal help, you gotta have a mate of a mate somewhere who can give you some advice before spending $$ trying to defend.

If ya jump out a fucking aeroplane where you are not meant to then you go to court. If you ride a motorcycle over a bridge you go to court. If you jump off a bridge and dont die you go to court. If you decide to drive your car over the edge of a cliff and jump out at the last minute and get caught...you go to court. It stops like minded idiots from doing it again.

If you told the police I want to do this stunt. Proved it was not too dangerous. Got permission, closed off the road and did it then bloody hurrah, good on ya.

[Cr1MiNaL]

No diversion. Carries disqualification, so no diversion.

:argue::slap::scratch: Y no diversion? FFS

[scumdog]

And we care what a dickhead like you thinks?
Was a harmless stunt- the stuntman getting nailed by the pigs- any self respecting freedom fighter will either donate or offer moral support

Wankers like you dont deserve a motorcycle, you have no concept what theyre about (its called FREEDOM) and no one was hurt and nothing was damaged in this stunt

'freedom fighter'?????mwahahaha, stroll on dreamer.

[Madness]

:argue::slap::scratch: Y no diversion? FFS

Beacuse it's now considered a serious charge, you dumb cunt.

[ital916]

I actually admire you Carver for your two-wheeled expolits. Some of it's pretty ghey, but overall......

The fact remains that there are people being prosecuted in this country, sometimes with the same charge even, for shit they themselves didn't do. That, in my somewhat biased opinion, is more of an issue than you being charged for something you may have actually done, with some planning and forethought even.

You told me earlier that you got legal advice. There's a good chance that this advice was based on whether you could be convicted, rather than charged. This issue has also become political, what with the media attention. Sometimes too one reaps what they sow.

The po-po seem to be able to throw DD charges at anyone they like, it's then up to you to pay to defend it. This sucks if you didn't do it in the first place, trust me.

I wish you luck in defending the charge, I'm all for a bit of fun. The reality is though, that in this society you have to play by the rules or take the consequences. You got bad advice my friend.

You dont sound like a madman.....are you sure you are mad, as that is pretty sane sounding talk :laugh:,

Didnt some dude on a black r6 not front when others got busted for his antics...or did he front. I heard it through the kb grapevine. What became of it?

[Madness]

What became of it?

The case is pending and the cunt on the black R6 is still a cunt, a dumb cunt even.

[ital916]

The case is pending and the cunt on the black R6 is still a cunt, a dumb cunt even.

:shit: you're not mad at all! All you do is speak the TRUTH!

change your name to truthful!

[Thani-B]

$20 from me..


I met you Carver and you seem like a pretty good guy to me plus I applaud your stunt, so why are you defending it? Surely you will man up in court by yourself and say"yes your honour twas me, I did it cos it was there" and take the token fine like a man.

How do you know he isnt planning on doing that?


That's not like you - gone all shy all of a sudden?

He's being smart keeping his mouth shut about the charges and what he plans on doing.



If carver wanted to do his stunt, he should have notified the authorities and got permission to do so. Would be saving him trouble now.

If you bothered to read the article in the paper, he did look into doing that.


But I saw the vid and Im bloody sure I saw cars crossing the bridge... and lets not forget his own safety/life he could have been easly killed.

Yes there was cars on it, but again, if you read the article, they made sure there was no pedestrians on the bridge at the time, and there was a first aid person there in case something did happen to him.


trust me, i have spoken to a lawyer well before this has even been done.
I have no real history with the police
I will have the best lawyer, and i am not bothered about the cost.
i have been questioned, and refused to say anything.
i cannot say too much on here, but my last statement says a lot if it was so black and white

Kudos to you carver. And morcs for doing this for his mate.

[Madness]

:shit: you're not mad at all! All you do is speak the TRUTH!

change your name to truthful!

I've given out too much bling today. Seems the TRUTH has as strong a following as the Mormons.

[ital916]

$20 from me..



How do you know he isnt planning on doing that?



He's being smart keeping his mouth shut about the charges and what he plans on doing.



If you bothered to read the article in the paper, he did look into doing that.



Yes there was cars on it, but again, if you read the article, they made sure there was no pedestrians on the bridge at the time, and there was a first aid person there in case something did happen to him.



Kudos to you carver. And morcs for doing this for his mate.

There was a fucking article in the paper about it.....

Well if he looked into....and they said no.....what do you think the logical course of action would be.

If I wanted to jump a bike of a building...and the police said no...and I did, I wouldnt then ask others for money to bail me out, cos I KNEW it was wrong.

There is money better spent on charities and helping people! Donate 20 bucks to the rescue helicopter or the sallies or something.

You know whats funny, the people who are against people being cuddled and protected by society have it completely backwards. See a "real" man would be one that would know when something is wrong and know not to do it, and if he decided to do it would face the consquences. Dont blame the police for societies problems. The real molly cuddled ones are the people who cry when they get arrested for doing stupid shit.

Im sorry but I dont get the difficulty, if he wanted to do that stunt BAD ENOUGH then he would have found a way to do it legally.

[carver]

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:

"Mormon folklore is a body of expressive culture unique to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) and its members. It includes tales, oral history, popular beliefs, customs, music, stunts, jokes, and other traditions.

Wilson said Mormon folktales often affirm the group’s beliefs that people doing the Lord's work may receive divine protection. "It's a rhetorical strategy designed to persuade the audience to accept a certain point of view or to follow a certain course of action,"

In other words...God told me to do it!! Hell it works as a defense for drowning someone who's been possessed.

haha, now that is funny!


Have you considered approaching the Mormon church?
After spreading the word via the use of motorcyckes, surely they would be happy to pass the plate around to assist with $$'s?

It works for bishop tamaki when he needs a new harley-davidson or a new yacht.

Im sure they dont like me promoting myself using their religion


And dont forget the taxpayers money that goes into fixing him up if he falls off. We cant forget that.....public responsibilty that is.

I work-i pay tax


nice one sidecar, i would donate myself if i was not having to sell toys at present to survive.
I have met carver and he is a nice guy, humble in person. and like you i also think he adds to nz motorcycling.

thank you too, you seemed like a nice person too


I actually admire you Carver for your two-wheeled expolits. Some of it's pretty ghey, but overall......

The fact remains that there are people being prosecuted in this country, sometimes with the same charge even, for shit they themselves didn't do. That, in my somewhat biased opinion, is more of an issue than you being charged for something you may have actually done, with some planning and forethought even.

You told me earlier that you got legal advice. There's a good chance that this advice was based on whether you could be convicted, rather than charged. This issue has also become political, what with the media attention. Sometimes too one reaps what they sow.

The po-po seem to be able to throw DD charges at anyone they like, it's then up to you to pay to defend it. This sucks if you didn't do it in the first place, trust me.

I wish you luck in defending the charge, I'm all for a bit of fun. The reality is though, that in this society you have to play by the rules or take the consequences. You got bad advice my friend.

thanks

the whole defence fund comes from a coversation at the cold kiwi, where i at first rejected the idea, but now i see a need for it.
unlike your taxes going to prosecution, what i am asking for is given at free will, and i promise refunds for any reason it is not used.






Kudos to you carver. And morcs for doing this for his mate.

Cheers girl!

[hospitalfood]

i just get sad about the hating on kb.
im all for people expressing thier opinions nicely.
i know i have been guilty of being a hater at times but i do try to keep it out of my posts and head.

i have just gone over this whole thread and there is a heap of hating going on.

if people think he should plead guilty fine, say so. but meet him before you slag him off.
i think everyone should plead not guilty for something like this, thats just my opinion.

[carver]

There was a fucking article in the paper about it.....

Well if he looked into....and they said no.....what do you think the logical course of action would be.



There is money better spent on charities and helping people! Donate 20 bucks to the rescue helicopter or the sallies or something.

wrong, it did not say that, merely that it was too expensive

donate money to who you want, im not begging ya, its there if you enjoy our work, or belive that I should not be prosecuted

[Thani-B]

There is money better spent on charities and helping people! Donate 20 bucks to the rescue helicopter or the sallies or something.

I do that as well. I see this as helping out a mate. I would gladly do it for any of my friends even if I thought they were in the wrong.

[Taz]

Its to wet to do the ATNR tonight.........

Pussy........ It's only rain.

[ital916]

I've given out too much bling today. Seems the TRUTH has as strong a following as the Mormons.

It seems mormon supporters are trigger happy with the rep button :laugh:, this is great, it is like the first kb civil war.

[carver]

It seems mormon supporters are trigger happy with the rep button :laugh:, this is great, it is like the first kb civil war.

my trigger finger will be squeezing my squirter in your mouth

[Morcs]

Still waiting for an account no....pm me

Check the first post.

Thanks to all those who are supporting.

[SixPackBack]

my trigger finger will be squeezing my squirter in your mouth

$10 sez the sycophant swallows.

[Maha]

What suprises me is that Carver would even endorse this?
He seems to be a man of great talent and well educated. The videos He and the rest of stunt crew construct and put online for our viewing are nothing short of brilliant at times.
Fact is, while his last stunt (which now seems to be 'A Bridge over Troubled Water) was very heroic, putting it on Youtube and posting it KB was not and has now turned around and bit him on the arse. What he did (while extremely dangerous) was illegal, he must now step up and take it like the man he is.

[Madness]

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Bugger me!, It even looks a bit like Carver & Rajistani!

[Ixion]

Would have been totally cool if the responsible thing had been done, authorities sought out and permission gained. But Gen Y aint into that.......

Nope. They ain't . Tis that which gives me hope for the human race.

I'll put in a bit. From pure perversity

[Leyton]

Nope. They ain't . Tis that which gives me hope for the human race.

I'll put in a bit. From pure perversity

Fully with you on that...

enough bubble rapping Kiwi's.

[Cr1MiNaL]

either .. both ...

Don't lie u love me Mr. Yamaha


There seems to be a lot of resentment in this thread, no doubt you are old, sour pricks, stuck in dead end jobs, cant actually ride, and have fat ugly wives. Its no wonder I think the majority of Kiwis are self richeous, deluded fucking idiots.
Faggots.

ROTFLOL old and wish they had done cool stuff too when they were young... spot on brotha :done::chase: I wish I knew how to wheelie :no:

[Madness]

I wish I knew how to pull a decent wheelie :no:

First modest thing you've said in a while! Well done.

[Cr1MiNaL]

do u luv me also? or do u want to rip my guts out?

[Madness]

do u luv me also?

I wouldn't go that far, but I sure do think about you a lot. Tell me, do you have dental insurance?.

[Cr1MiNaL]

I wouldn't go that far, but I sure do think about you a lot. Tell me, do you have dental insurance?.

Yes! Go hard! I won't even report it! do u dream of me at all?

[Madness]

Yes! Go hard! I won't even report it! do u dream of me at all?

What's to report? I was simply considering getting dental insurance and thought seeing as you're such a giant fucking poser, you'd be in the know.

I don't dream of you sorry Raj. I just think of you now and then, when I'm wiiiiide awake. :soon:

[Cr1MiNaL]

What's to report? I was simply considering getting dental insurance and thought seeing as you're such a giant fucking poser, you'd be in the know.

I don't dream of you sorry Raj. I just think of you now and then, when I'm wiiiiide awake. :soon:
haha nice 1! I'm not a poser man, I just like white things...

[McJim]

First modest thing you've said in a while! Well done.


do u luv me also? or do u want to rip my guts out?


I wouldn't go that far, but I sure do think about you a lot. Tell me, do you have dental insurance?.


Yes! Go hard! I won't even report it! do u dream of me at all?


What's to report? I was simply considering getting dental insurance and thought seeing as you're such a giant fucking poser, you'd be in the know.

I don't dream of you sorry Raj. I just think of you now and then, when I'm wiiiiide awake. :soon:


haha nice 1! I'm not a poser man, I just like white things...

Er, you fellas gonna get a room or what:love:

[jellywrestler]

trust me, i have spoken to a lawyer well before this has even been done.
I
so the lawyer said go ahead, put it on you-tube, with the police radio transmissions that you accidentally recorded at the same time, rubbing the cops noses in it and you wonder why you are getting charged??
My advice, but be aware i'm not a lawyer, is to wear a funny jersey and tell them you were on you paper round and go and have tea and scones with joe karam, and take lisa lewis with you, you know the one who doesn't understand that streaking actually requires nudity...
you'll be out in a dozen or so years

[Maha]

Personally I wouldn't shell out any money to a defense lawyer when all it will be in this case is a very expensive charater refference. I went down that road 25 years ago, cost me $1000 and the judge didn't even look up when Mr Roberts was ''defending'' me. What a waste of fucken money, I ended up with a $900 fine and six months loss of license, I thought at the time that, mmmmmm Judge Monahan already knew what my outcome was going to be.

[The Stranger]

Er, you fellas gonna get a room or what:love:

I'd pay to see that.

[Crasherfromwayback]

trust me, i have spoken to a lawyer well before this has even been done.
I have no real history with the police
I will have the best lawyer, and i am not bothered about the cost.
i have been questioned, and refused to say anything.
i cannot say too much on here, but my last statement says a lot if it was so black and white

1. If you'd spoken to a half decent lawyer before you *sought* the fame...he/she would've told you to do this all way differently.

2. You're young. Keep doing things the rule book says you can't...you'll end up with history.

3. Cost? You're not bothered about it? Yeah...?Maybe because you're a fucking bludging flea. Any true *Biker* here...that reads this thread...donate money to people that are doing NZ motorcycling proud...you know who I mean.

4. You've been *Questioned*?...and refused? Jesus Fucking Christ! If you're a true believer...a massive bolt of lightening is about to exit those gorgeous soft and fluffy looking clouds...zap what's left of your nuts...exit through your well worn anus...and fry your followers.

[Headbanger]

Meh, I fully applaud him for doing what he done.

And now the establishment will try and get you for not conforming to the herd behaviour.

But, You will lose in court.

I'll donate $20 to help you pay teh fine in the event you lose, Not about to donate $20 to your lawyer though.

[Leyton]

I'd pay to see that.

Was going to suggest money was made off it.

[mynameis]

At least he's not getting charged for molesting under age boys..........yet :laugh:

All da best carver :love:

[LBD]

Check the first post.

Thanks to all those who are supporting.

Yeh got it...bit slow me...!

[PrincessBandit]

Will we now see a proliferation of OPs which clearly state "if you don't agree with me don't bother putting your opinion in this thread - for yes men only"?

[dangerous]

my trigger finger will be squeezing my squirter in your mouth
Now ya see... such comments are why people dont like you, ya not 5yrs old are ya?
thorthless and lame... what I dont get is the bridge gig was not thorthless and lame, I didnt mind it at all, comments like above (and that is a mild one for you) are just unbecomming... take responsabilitys of your own and pay ya own way.

[Krayy]

<snip>
I'll donate $20 to help you pay teh fine in the event you lose, Not about to donate $20 to your lawyer though.
Isn't he eligible for Legal Aid? If so, then what about the victims!!! :shit:

Even though I live in Auckland, my safety was threatened (according to the :Police: anyway), so pass the $20 on to me and I'd be most grateful :laugh:

["D" FZ1]

Fuck some people have no shame whatsoever.
Be a pratt, get what was obviously coming, beg like a fucking leper.
Id suggest the rescue helecopter would be a far more worthy recipient of peoples charity.

Exactly. You do the crime you pay your own Fkn fine.

["D" FZ1]

1. If you'd spoken to a half decent lawyer before you *sought* the fame...he/she would've told you to do this all way differently.

2. You're young. Keep doing things the rule book says you can't...you'll end up with history.

3. Cost? You're not bothered about it? Yeah...?Maybe because you're a fucking bludging flea. Any true *Biker* here...that reads this thread...donate money to people that are doing NZ motorcycling proud...you know who I mean.

4. You've been *Questioned*?...and refused? Jesus Fucking Christ! If you're a true believer...a massive bolt of lightening is about to exit those gorgeous soft and fluffy looking clouds...zap what's left of your nuts...exit through your well worn anus...and fry your followers.

Well said Pete :laugh:

[Blackbird]

Isn't he eligible for Legal Aid?

I think he has some 2-wheeled assets to sell first to meet costs (unless the finance company owns them)

The radio was a bit slow in reporting it. On Radio Sport news this morning, it said that a 24 year old male had been arrested. A police spokesman said "If he'd bothered to discuss his plan with the appropriate authorities, he wouldn't be in the world of pain that he's in now." Or words to that effect....