Who's doing the ISDE for NZ?

[little.whittle]

Does anyone know whos going to Portugal in October for the Sixdays?? Birchy??Power?

[vazza]

It's in NZ for 2012, will be doin it :P! If I can afford it LOL, my start saving now :P!

[little.whittle]

Sweet do you know where? hope theres no age limit ;)

[noobi]

heres a rider list
but no one from NZ is listed. maybe no team has been submitted yet

http://www.fmportugal.pt/imgupload/fmp_ISDE2009-part01.pdf

[little.whittle]

heres a rider list
but no one from NZ is listed. maybe no team has been submitted yet

http://www.fmportugal.pt/imgupload/fmp_ISDE2009-part01.pdf
Thanks... hmmm birchy usually does them

[little.whittle]

Only 3 aussies that i see... and they women..? this must not be completed enrties.

[chrisktm]

Nobody is going from NZ this year as its too expensive. It cost me thousands and thousands of dollars last year and I struggled to pay my rent for months afterwards! So not for me. Its a shame as last year we did reasonably well.

[t595]

Nobody is going from NZ this year as its too expensive. It cost me thousands and thousands of dollars last year and I struggled to pay my rent for months afterwards! So not for me. Its a shame as last year we did reasonably well.

shouldnt this be where mnz step in?:confused:

[B0000M]

shouldnt this be where mnz step in?:confused:

no mnz only steps in where they can TAKE money, not GIVE it out.

they are good like that.

[little.whittle]

Nobody is going from NZ this year as its too expensive. It cost me thousands and thousands of dollars last year and I struggled to pay my rent for months afterwards! So not for me. Its a shame as last year we did reasonably well.

Dam that sucks!! MNZ should help out with these guys i mean they are the tipity top! ;)
Hmm get ya lotto tickets over 20mill haha :wacko: (its mine)..

[theblacksmith]

Nobody is going from NZ this year as its too expensive. It cost me thousands and thousands of dollars last year and I struggled to pay my rent for months afterwards! So not for me. Its a shame as last year we did reasonably well.
Real shame.No chance of sponsorship from anyone??

[little.whittle]

Hmm didnt mnz pay for the team at the junior champs.. Why dont they put some money into Enduros? We have some top riders here and they dont get any real help. Not like in America haha

[scott411]

no MNZ did not pay for the team for the Junior worlds, infact the team riders had to pay for a lot of the training,

Chris - what doyou think a realistic budget to compete in teh ISDE, i would presume you would not get much change out of $20K?? and that would be doing it on the cheap, That would not inlcude the amount of money you would spend on a practice bike back here,

[little.whittle]

[QUOTE=scott411;1129436547]no MNZ did not pay for the team for the Junior worlds, infact the team riders had to pay for a lot of the training,

Wow haha we need to find some sponsors... which is not easy in this economy.. :oi-grr:

[chrisktm]

shouldnt this be where mnz step in?:confused:

Problem is guys, how many people even bother to be members of MNZ? How many people support NZ enduros? 300 people show up to Tarawera 100 and 100 show up to a National Enduro. People complain that licences are too expensive... but a graphics kit cost $300 and thats fine. Ha ha hit a nerve on this one!

Yeah about 15k to do a six day as a total privateer. BTW the last time NZ had a trophy team we came sixth. Quite a bit better than the MX des nations team...And it was a team of amautres but MNZ did sort out our entry fees.

[t595]

Problem is guys, how many people even bother to be members of MNZ? How many people support NZ enduros? 300 people show up to Tarawera 100 and 100 show up to a National Enduro. People complain that licences are too expensive... but a graphics kit cost $300 and thats fine. Ha ha hit a nerve on this one!

Yeah about 15k to do a six day as a total privateer. BTW the last time NZ had a trophy team we came sixth. Quite a bit better than the MX des nations team...And it was a team of amautres but MNZ did sort out our entry fees.

hahaha:girlfight:.i have a license but no flash sticker kit....they fell off ages ago.apparently enduros are to hard thats why people are scared:baby:

[flyingcr250]

hahaha:girlfight:.i have a license but no flash sticker kit....they fell off ages ago.apparently enduros are to hard thats why people are scared:baby:

im always keen for enduro, i did the tarawera 100 (my avatar pic), taupo 4 hour, dead toad etc...im thinking about doing the M3DE.:2thumbsup:cool:

[peadub]

Great comments Chris! You personally have done more for promoting Enduro in NZ than anyone lately Lets hope your success overseas and the RB City Scramble boost the entries for next year (when they eventually set some dates)

[Ktmboy]

hahaha:girlfight:.i have a license but no flash sticker kit....they fell off ages ago.apparently enduros are to hard thats why people are scared:baby:

Sorry, but when you have the delegate for enduros in MNZ saying that Enduro bikes must have a factory fitted headlight(not an after market one)!! and a factory fitted tail light then you have to wonder why people think that its just a freakin expensive exercise to ride MNZ events.

Rulz like that just make it bloody expensive for Joe Bloggs to enter on their std MX bike. And they can't understand why more folks aren't competing? Go figure.
I'd start getting your cheque book out now t595.

[t595]

Sorry, but when you have the delegate for enduros in MNZ saying that Enduro bikes must have a factory fitted headlight and a factory fitted tail light then you have to wonder why people think that its just a freakin expensive exercise to ride MNZ events.

Rulz like that just make it bloody expensive for Joe Bloggs to enter on their std MX bike. And they can't understand why more folks aren't competing? Go figure.
I'd start getting your cheque book out now t595.

Yea gd point. rules for ttr (and i think national enduro)say you gota have headlight(doesnt have to work)but dont need tail light. no big deal if you dont tho,just loose points.
all the yz needed was an aftermarket headlight,$50 .that was it

[peadub]

My son and I did most of the TTR Enduros last year The average age for competitors must be around 40 (I've exceeded that!) We need some rules that encourage some young guns in We don't have to ride our trail bikes to work on Mondays anymore!!!

[t595]

My son and I did most of the TTR Enduros last year The average age for competitors must be around 40 (I've exceeded that!) We need some rules that encourage some young guns in We don't have to ride our trail bikes to work on Mondays anymore!!!

I think the rules and regulations sound a bit confussing which might scare a few off,once uv done one its all pretty straight forward tho.
But yea more numbers would be better

[Ktmboy]

Yea gd point. rules for ttr (and i think national enduro)say you gota have headlight(doesnt have to work)but dont need tail light. no big deal if you dont tho,just loose points.
all the yz needed was an aftermarket headlight,$50 .that was it

I think you will find you now have to have a tail light as well.:mad:

[B0000M]

Problem is guys, how many people even bother to be members of MNZ? How many people support NZ enduros? 300 people show up to Tarawera 100 and 100 show up to a National Enduro. People complain that licences are too expensive... but a graphics kit cost $300 and thats fine. Ha ha hit a nerve on this one!


i agree with what you say, but its not just the $100 vs $300 you mentioned above

for example for myself - lets say i was going to do an enduro in auckland or taupo, either way its ~500km travel each way

so theres:

say 25 litres of bike fuel & $1.75/l $43.75
750ml of mixing oil to go with that fuel $15
diesel for the van to get there 60l @ $1 = $60
diesel for the van to get home again = $60
accommodation - usually free, but if unable to scrounge @ $100 a night, 2 nights = $200
then theres the entry fee itself $100

so if i were to go to an enduro, stay in a cheap motel the night before and the night after, use only 25l of fuel, and not pay for any food or drinks during the trip, im allready up to $478.75, and thats before we take into consideration anything i wear out or break on either the bike or the van. it does work out pretty expensive.

and that boys and girls is why i dont ride many enduros :)

on the other hand for those that live near enduro events- theres not many excuses!

[takitimu]

I think you will find you now have to have a tail light as well.:mad:

:) I think you'll find neither front or rear for ttr, nationals front ( doesn't need to work but needs to be there, go figure ).

Regarding boom's costing model, mine's a bit different, but still comes to ~$500 an enduro, but to be honest the only diff enduro vs any other ride long haul is a new rear tire & maybe $10 more entry ( normally around 45-55 from memory if you have MNZ license ).

Put another way, it's pretty much the same price as a trail ride ( if you don't put a new rear on ), but no quads/no queues for easy hills, generally way better marking, you get to really compare your speed with your mates & for something like Operau you get to watch the extreme special test which is worth the entry fee alone :) ( Assuming you're not riding expert & doing it yourself ).

[t595]

plus you get about 4- 4.5hrs of ride time for $55 compared to maybe 3 10-15 min motos for about $30 and having to wait most of the day to get them.

Thats if your into getting more bike time for your dollar????

[Ktmboy]

This is straight out of MNZ. Am I reading this wrong?

14-3-7 Headlights and tail lights are not required to operate but complete units should be fitted, note
rule 14-6-6. Where forest regulations and supplementary regulations require operational
lights, machines without lights may be excluded.

14-6 PENALTY POINTS:
Points
14-6-1 Starting engine before start time each morning 50
14-6-2 Being late at a time check-for each complete minute 50
14-6-3 Checking in early at a time check for each complete minute 50
14-6-4 Failure to start (14-4-2) 20
14-6-5 Elapsed time on special tests for every one second 1
14-6-6 Failure to have complete headlight or tail light fitted 20 per item

[takitimu]

This is straight out of MNZ. Am I reading this wrong?


Good question, if you look at the Operau results, same race. The difference is 20 points penalty in the National if you didn't have a headlight, no penalty in the TTR ( I never got penalised at Taupo for no headlight ).
I've never heard of them doing tail-lights, but I'm a newbie :).

How they can do this ruling at the races, when the rule book says something else, is a very very good question. As I understand it, they were doing TTR headlight penalty in 2008 along with national, but 2009 they changed to no penalty for ttr.

Norther TTR
http://www.silver-bullet.co.nz/CLUB/ENDURO/2009/Northern/2009_TTR_Northern_R2_Class_Intermediate.pdf

National
http://www.silver-bullet.co.nz/CLUB/ENDURO/2009/National/2009_National_R1_Class_Intermediate.pdf

[little.whittle]

I am pritty sure you can just put a little LED headlight on your number plate. And theres your light. It doesnt even have to work! :clap:

[billaroo]

Good question, if you look at the Operau results, same race. The difference is 20 points penalty in the National if you didn't have a headlight, no penalty in the TTR ( I never got penalised at Taupo for no headlight ).
I've never heard of them doing tail-lights, but I'm a newbie :).

How they can do this ruling at the races, when the rule book says something else, is a very very good question. As I understand it, they were doing TTR headlight penalty in 2008 along with national, but 2009 they changed to no penalty for ttr.

Norther TTR
http://www.silver-bullet.co.nz/CLUB/ENDURO/2009/Northern/2009_TTR_Northern_R2_Class_Intermediate.pdf

National
http://www.silver-bullet.co.nz/CLUB/ENDURO/2009/National/2009_National_R1_Class_Intermediate.pdf

rule book applies to nationals- the ttr is a regional series so they can modify rules to suit themselves.

[scott411]

Problem is guys, how many people even bother to be members of MNZ? How many people support NZ enduros? 300 people show up to Tarawera 100 and 100 show up to a National Enduro. People complain that licences are too expensive... but a graphics kit cost $300 and thats fine. Ha ha hit a nerve on this one!

Yeah about 15k to do a six day as a total privateer. BTW the last time NZ had a trophy team we came sixth. Quite a bit better than the MX des nations team...And it was a team of amautres but MNZ did sort out our entry fees.

Chris thanks for the pricing, but to be fair on the MX guys, the MXdN team have got a couple of podiums over the years, and they do not get to much funding from MNZ direct either, some from Sparc the year after they do good, and i am pretty sure you got 6th on home soil, the junior mx team jsut got 3rd on home soil.

and there are shit load more mx riders, a group of people are starting to fund rasie for the MXdN next year, the enduro guys need to do the same if they want to send teams every year,

and the reason i do not do enduro's is becaue i am to dumb ;) ;) ;) , a cross country is much more easier for me to understand, (shotgun start, go as fast as you can untill you see the black and white flag, if anyone does nto beleive i am dumb, just think back to the endurocross, turning up with only riding 5 times in the past 8 months with no physical fitness was pure stupidity,

But Chris, if you come and do my supercross like you said you would when you were drinking after the endurocross, ill ride the enduro of your choice,

[vazza]

Gee I went into the Riverhead TTR as my first enduro and picked it up by the end of the race, isnt hard to pick up at all? If I can get it so can you! LoL!

[Shorty_925]

and the reason i do not do enduro's is becaue i am to dumb ;) ;) ;) , a cross country is much more easier for me to understand, (shotgun start, go as fast as you can untill you see the black and white flag

Gota agree with ya on that one scott. Too much thinking invovled with an enduro, though I might just fry my brain and do a couple next year.

Another beef I have is who your riding with on your minute or who's on the minute behind you. If theyre in a grade above they'll more than likely catch you, or you'll get in their way. Or are Enduro's seeded now?

[t595]

yip seeded now

[Shorty_925]

yip seeded now

That makes it alot better.

[vazza]

Enduros are mean! Get so much riding time, I enjoy them more than XC's. Gotta do the lap and beat the deadline, so much fun.

sigh I wish I could ride again.. Sucks :(!

[billaroo]

Enduros are mean! Get so much riding time, I enjoy them more than XC's. Gotta do the lap and beat the deadline, so much fun.

sigh I wish I could ride again.. Sucks :(!


what's the deal on the knee vin- acl?

[peadub]

Maybe the classes need a rehash to encourage more family participation?
An EJ (Junior Enduro) class? , Ladies? Under 21?
A 125cc 2T MX class could be a low cost entry level class!

[NordieBoy]

Maybe the classes need a rehash to encourage more family participation?
An EJ (Junior Enduro) class? , Ladies? Under 21?
A 125cc 2T MX class could be a low cost entry level class!

Pre-80 class?

[peadub]

Pre-80 class?

pre-80? Bike or riders?

[vazza]

what's the deal on the knee vin- acl?

It's not to good mate. I've snapped my medial ligament, and he thinks I may have done my ACL. He wants to confirm that next friday.

I'll either be out of riding for 9 months with an operation, or 3 months without...

[billaroo]

It's not to good mate. I've snapped my medial ligament, and he thinks I may have done my ACL. He wants to confirm that next friday.

I'll either be out of riding for 9 months with an operation, or 3 months without...

not good.........

[D dub]

plus you get about 4- 4.5hrs of ride time for $55 compared to maybe 3 10-15 min motos for about $30 and having to wait most of the day to get them.

Thats if your into getting more bike time for your dollar????

The last enduro I did was more like 5-5.5 hours!!!!:first: Not!!!
Someone has to come last eh, but I dont care these are allways awesome events and the tracks are normally way better than trail rides!!

[Keithf]

The guts of it is

Support your national organisation-pay the fees it's peanuts. The more money they have the more they can do for us
Support your local club-I've been a member of the WMMC for years - done nothing been to no meetings but paying the sub gives them money to do stuff
Support the guys like Tony or the clubs who put events on by turning up to events and paying your money
If you don't like the rules get involved in the admin side of the sport and change things

cheers








Problem is guys, how many people even bother to be members of MNZ? How many people support NZ enduros? 300 people show up to Tarawera 100 and 100 show up to a National Enduro. People complain that licences are too expensive... but a graphics kit cost $300 and thats fine. Ha ha hit a nerve on this one!

Yeah about 15k to do a six day as a total privateer. BTW the last time NZ had a trophy team we came sixth. Quite a bit better than the MX des nations team...And it was a team of amautres but MNZ did sort out our entry fees.

[xen]

It's not to good mate. I've snapped my medial ligament, and he thinks I may have done my ACL. He wants to confirm that next friday.

I'll either be out of riding for 9 months with an operation, or 3 months without...

man that sux bigtime

I'd like to do some enduros in time, still practising for them at the moment ;)

[flyingcr250]

man that sux bigtime

I'd like to do some enduros in time, still practising for them at the moment ;)

you gunna do the M3DE?

[xen]

Nah man would be fkn sweet but its too much $$

[NordieBoy]

pre-80? Bike or riders?

I qualify for both for another 39 years :D

[chrisktm]

Chris thanks for the pricing, but to be fair on the MX guys, the MXdN team have got a couple of podiums over the years, and they do not get to much funding from MNZ direct either, some from Sparc the year after they do good, and i am pretty sure you got 6th on home soil, the junior mx team jsut got 3rd on home soil.

and there are shit load more mx riders, a group of people are starting to fund rasie for the MXdN next year, the enduro guys need to do the same if they want to send teams every year,

and the reason i do not do enduro's is becaue i am to dumb ;) ;) ;) , a cross country is much more easier for me to understand, (shotgun start, go as fast as you can untill you see the black and white flag, if anyone does nto beleive i am dumb, just think back to the endurocross, turning up with only riding 5 times in the past 8 months with no physical fitness was pure stupidity,

But Chris, if you come and do my supercross like you said you would when you were drinking after the endurocross, ill ride the enduro of your choice,

Yeah I can understand why corss countrys are more appealing to some. Totally fair enough. Very interesting to read peoples opinions.
I am hoping to do the world hard enduro championship next year so maybe folding myself in half an a SX track may be a bit silly. Is there anywhere to practice SX in Auckland? And the 6th (I think) was in Greece. We got spanked in NZ after we lost DK on day 3.

[NordieBoy]

We got spanked in NZ after we lost DK on day 3.

Sheesh...
MX'ers. Just can't rely on them...


:devil2:

[4stroke]

if MNZ is run anything like SNZ (speedway nz) its no wonder people can find it hard to get their heads round things, id love to do enduros but seem to think im not good enough to play with the big boys etc, maybe its more of a mind-set thing?? or do we need to harden the fk up and get on with it?

[little.whittle]

How about a combined Cross Country/Enduro championship? NZORC?
10 Rounds (using existing events) - 4 x Enduros 4 x C/Country 1 x Two-man and an Endurocross maybe
The top three Experts would get a MNZ funded ticket to the ISDE
The top Clubman a sponsored ride for the following year?

[scott411]

Yeah I can understand why corss countrys are more appealing to some. Totally fair enough. Very interesting to read peoples opinions.
I am hoping to do the world hard enduro championship next year so maybe folding myself in half an a SX track may be a bit silly. Is there anywhere to practice SX in Auckland? And the 6th (I think) was in Greece. We got spanked in NZ after we lost DK on day 3.

fair enough, good luck with sorting out the ride in Europe

[NordieBoy]

How about a combined Cross Country/Enduro championship? NZORC?
10 Rounds (using existing events) - 4 x Enduros 4 x C/Country 1 x Two-man and an Endurocross maybe
The top three Experts would get a MNZ funded ticket to the ISDE
The top Clubman a sponsored ride for the following year?

The catch is where would the series be held.

[scott411]

The catch is where would the series be held.

and who would run it, who would come up with the prize, (45000 is not that easy to find),

a overall off road champion would be a pretty cool thing tho, maybe even though a mx in there somewhere to,

[chop]

You could throw in the mx as part of a terrian test.. theres the other catch right there scott... who would run it ?

[Ktmboy]

You could throw in the mx as part of a terrian test.. theres the other catch right there scott... who would run it ?

Hmmmmm...:whistle:

[peadub]

You could throw in the mx as part of a terrian test.. theres the other catch right there scott... who would run it ?

The last round could be a round of the MX Nationals........ with plenty of spectators and TV coverage
MNZ would run it It is only a combination of existing series

[vazza]

Sounds like a wicked event, when can I register :p

[takitimu]

Sounds like a wicked event, when can I register :p

We're doing a five round cup in Northland if you want, 2 Cross Country & 3 MX :), not quite 45k involved, but not to bad.

[chop]

We're doing a five round cup in Northland if you want, 2 Cross Country & 3 MX :), not quite 45k involved, but not to bad.

Wheres that nige????

[takitimu]

Wheres that nige????

All in Northland :).

Last two rounds of the Nields Northern Exposure Series ( Hikurangi + The Farm on Old Russell Road ) + 3 MX tracks in the new year ( Two around Keri, one new track in the Hokianga ).

Once I get back to NZ I'll do a flyer & put it up here.

We've got 22 local business's co-sponsoring, so here's hoping it goes well.

Going to really try & stack the last race of the Northern Exposure with as many good riders as we can get up there :), I reckon it'll be the pick of the 3 race series.

[Bradz]

All in Northland :).
Going to really try & stack the last race of the Northern Exposure with as many good riders as we can get up there :), I reckon it'll be the pick of the 3 race series.

That will be the pick of the rounds, the farm is a wicked place to ride, the track will have a bit of everything