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rat

1st October 2009, 21:08

I have just found out the MNZ have gone against the Sidecar racing associations vote on the ammount of meetings they will attend this coming race season, From Two south Island Rounds to Three.:niceone:
This will have only one affect...
That is that fewer race teams will go south to race this season, Thus reducing the numbers on the grid for your entertainment.:stupid:
All this will do is slowly ruin the sport, And run down numbers for the future.

All I can Say is thanks MNZ for Fucking the Nationals for Road Racing Sidecars. :niceone:

ajturbo

1st October 2009, 21:10

think you guys have problems..????

think about the bucket racers.... they want our money to race, but they don't want to know us, or support us at all!..

snapoff

1st October 2009, 21:14

the two wheel boys and girls have to do three rounds down south whats the prob harden the f up ,o thats right you guys are hard .

burtsidecar16

1st October 2009, 21:34

thanks for your support you must be one of the very few that get sponsored and can afford to take all that time off work

rat

2nd October 2009, 06:25

The big problem is not about being hard, It's a numbers game.
There are too few sidecars in new Zealand to be pissing off half of them so they don't compete.
Two wheelers are a dime a doz.

rat

2nd October 2009, 06:28

think you guys have problems..????

think about the bucket racers.... they want our money to race, but they don't want to know us, or support us at all!..

Yep, we are soon to join you there, by the looks of things.
Least the association puts on a good GP for you guys with the Tri series round.

scrivy

2nd October 2009, 07:28

I have just found out the MNZ Dip Shits :tugger:have gone against the Sidecar racing associations vote on the ammount of meetings they will attend this coming race season, From Two south Island Rounds to Three.:niceone:
This will have only one affect...
That is that fewer race teams will go south to race this season, Thus reducing the numbers on the grid for your entertainment.:stupid:
All this will do is slowly ruin the sport, And run down numbers for the future.

All I can Say is thanks MNZ for Fucking the Nationals for Road Racing Sidecars.
Arseholes.:niceone:

Well, I guess that rules me out then. :angry2: I simply can't get 3 weeks off work in the busiest months, more importantly, neither can sidecar Bob. That's why sidecars don't usually do 3 rounds - cause there's more of us in a team than solos. Trying to logistically get the same time off together each year is near impossible!

I guess I may as well not do the north island rounds then either............

Bugger.....

scrivy

2nd October 2009, 08:02

All I can Say is thanks MNZ for Fucking the Nationals for Road Racing Sidecars.
Arseholes.:niceone:

think you guys have problems..????
think about the bucket racers.... they want our money to race, but they don't want to know us, or support us at all!..

Rat, Classic sidecars are welcome at the TRRS - build 1 and play till your hearts content!!

AJ, you guys have a GP at the TRRS!!

Ya see, it's all about listening to what racers are saying...... simple really.

sidecar bob

2nd October 2009, 08:31

Although Tracey & i own a modern sidecar, im very pleased to have a classic sidecar & bike.
Last weekend i ran two 2 wheeled classes & one sidecar class. Got four runs (including practice) in each & had back to back wins in consecutive classes on 2 & 3 wheels without even taking my helmet off in between at one point, & all for $125 entry fee.
Here it is, theyre a bunch of good bastards. http://www.nzcmrr.com/
Oh, and the really good thing is, that once you have built a competitive machine, you leave it alone, because nobody turns up next year with the latest model. And its all from an era when Ohlins was just a yummy brand of yoghurt.

rat

2nd October 2009, 10:57

Rat, Classic sidecars are welcome at the TRRS - build 1 and play till your hearts content!!

AJ, you guys have a GP at the TRRS!!

Ya see, it's all about listening to what racers are saying...... simple really.

Yep, On the look out for a pre 82 R80/90 bike to use for a classic chair.
Had fun chasing you and Bob on the weekend. When is the next Naughts and Crosses Sidecar Challenge on???:2thumbsup

Devil

2nd October 2009, 11:30

You guys could organise amongst yourselves so no-one turns up to round x, effectively putting it back to two rounds...

rat

2nd October 2009, 11:41

You guys could organise amongst yourselves so no-one turns up to round x, effectively putting it back to two rounds...

Great idea, but we have 3 or 4 rouge members that have been pushing their own barrow with MNZ for their own gain.
There is a bit of in fighting to be had on this matter:girlfight:

Shorty_925

2nd October 2009, 12:57

sidecar bob

2nd October 2009, 13:13

There wasnt a whole lot of support to last years PMCC summer series, though having said that I only saw the last round. Sidecars have a huge point of difference and if only the numbers showed up on a regular basis.

The problem is that too many sidecar competitors are financially over comitted & on the bones of their arses, thats why they want three rounds down south, so they can get three runs & not have to go north.
They'd be better off to race a machine worth a tenth of the cost & get back to actually enjoying themselves, instead of trying to arrange the pieces to fit themselves.
Looks like we're pulling the pin on taking the pink 600 south, no point in going just to make up the meagre numbers, there probably wont be enough machines to get a start anyway.
we'll probably end up selling it & firing the cash into the evil Trident powered classic that Roger is building.

Shorty_925

2nd October 2009, 14:18

Completely agree about the costs, and see what your saying about the 3 rounds without having to go north.

Prehaps should look at enforcing a rule like they have in the cross country champs?...

scrivy

2nd October 2009, 14:48

Completely agree about the costs, and see what your saying about the 3 rounds without having to go north.

Prehaps should look at enforcing a rule like they have in the cross country champs?...

The sidecar association had an AGM last year that had a vote that was passed and minuted, stating everyone should abide by the vote for the amount of rounds we will do down south this year. The amount wanted was 2 rounds only. This was told to MNZ at their conference back in May, and in a letter to MNZ also.
So a few riders are now taking it upon themselves to destroy what the majority voted on, by talking directly to MNZ on their own behalf. Really selfish if you ask me.

rat

2nd October 2009, 15:04

The sidecar association had an AGM last year that had a vote that was passed and minuted, stating everyone should abide by the vote for the amount of rounds we will do down south this year. The amount wanted was 2 rounds only. This was told to MNZ at their conference back in May, and in a letter to MNZ also.
So a few riders are now taking it upon themselves to destroy what the majority voted on, by talking directly to MNZ on their own behalf. Really selfish if you ask me.

Yes the minority have stuffed it for the majority.
So much for democray.:mad:

rat

2nd October 2009, 15:06

rat

2nd October 2009, 15:13

Blonde monent, Thanks For the correction Bob.:Oops:

sidecar bob

2nd October 2009, 15:36

Yes the minority have stuffed it for the majority.
So much for democray.:mad:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1129228601#post1129228601
Heres a link to the last post made by the president of MNZ.
By the tone of his post he clearly he believes in democracy.
It may be worth approaching him to set things right.

Kickaha

2nd October 2009, 17:36

Ok I'll add to the shitfight

I have just found out the MNZ Dip Shits :tugger:have gone against the Sidecar racing associations vote on the ammount of meetings they will attend this coming race season, From Two south Island Rounds to Three.:niceone:

Yeah awesome isn't it, now when was this vote held, did anyone ask any members down (thats if there are any)here as no one here knew anything about it, but then I guess knowing how they would vote down here they wouldn't bother

Well, I guess that rules me out then. :angry2: I simply can't get 3 weeks off work in the busiest months, more importantly, neither can sidecar Bob. That's why sidecars don't usually do 3 rounds - cause there's more of us in a team than solos. Trying to logistically get the same time off together each year is near impossible!

I guess I may as well not do the north island rounds then either............

Bugger.....

Both self employed and can't organise time off together? it really is true you can't organise your arse from your elbow :whistle

Bullshit you don't need anywhere near 3 weeks off work, tosser (love you really :love::hug:)

Great idea, but we have 3 or 4 rouge members that have been pushing their own barrow with MNZ for their own gain.
There is a bit of in fighting to be had on this matter:girlfight:

A few more than 2-3 and some of us haven't bothered joining the NZSRA this year because of the constant whinging coming from that direction so we are under no obligation to follow their direction

The problem is that too many sidecar competitors are financially over comitted & on the bones of their arses, thats why they want three rounds down south, so they can get three runs & not have to go north.

I don't think thats it at all,it's more that some of them would like to do a full NZ championship and not just 80% of one:2thumbsup

We already get 6-7 rounds during the year if we want them,so three runs doesn't matter that much to us, unlike you lot who get pretty much nothing;)

The sidecar association had an AGM last year that had a vote that was passed and minuted, stating everyone should abide by the vote for the amount of rounds we will do down south this year. The amount wanted was 2 rounds only. This was told to MNZ at their conference back in May, and in a letter to MNZ also.
So a few riders are now taking it upon themselves to destroy what the majority voted on, by talking directly to MNZ on their own behalf. Really selfish if you ask me.

An AGM last year and voting at it should have only affected the season just gone and not every season after that

If only those present at the agm could vote on it then of course it would be in favour of only 2 rounds, and of course lets always hold the agm in the North to make it easy to get the vote the way we want it, and rather than ringing the other members and asking them their opinion as well we wont bother because it makes it easier to get it the way we want it even though thats what used to be done

How about we hold the agm down here next year and see what the vote is? seeing as the majority of NZ Sidecar racing is held down here anyway

What's fucking sidecar racing in NZ is the general apathy of it's members, no club racing during the year because no one can be fucked organising anything and then whinging because all of a sudden there's to much, fucking boo hoo, the only sidecar people in the North with any clues seen to be the classic/post classic boys

RE 3 weeks off work
lets check out a scenario

Scrivy sucks my cock at Taupo(as he so often does, it's only gay if you are the giver) and says how bout driving all my gear south after TTRS, so I drive it back to Chch for the fat poofta and he flys down Friday night before Ruapuna (booking ahead to get cheap flights) then he flys out Sunday night, $253 per person for flights

Next week I drive all his shit to Invergiggle and he flys in Friday night and I make him walk from the airport cause I cant be fucked picking him up, again he flies out Sunday night $467 per person for flights

I drive his shit to Christchurch and he flies in Friday night and drives to levels (after finding in his gear in the impound yard because I illegally parked it)
after Levels he drives home, $113 one way for the flight in

The same could happen for just about anyone, yes the flights will cost a bit but not if you book far enough ahead so far thats $883 in flights and no more than 5 days off depending on what time and day you fly in, because sometimes it works out better to fly out Monday mornings and fly in Saturday mornings and maybe he'd drive his own shit back to Chch from Invergiggle and get cheaper flights

So about $1800 for two, although it can probably be done even cheaper keeping an eye on grab a seat or any specials

So how does that balance out against having 3 weeks off and paying food, accommodation, hookers etc? not much more expensive I would think

Oh yea for the porpoise of this exercise Scurvy flew out of Rotavegas, Welly and Orcland guys could probably do it even cheaper and flying in and out of Invergiggle is the real killer

sidecar bob

2nd October 2009, 17:44

Ahh, but theres two sidecars two hot chicks, a fat bastard & me. So that doubles everything.

Kickaha

2nd October 2009, 17:49

Ahh, but theres two sidecars two hot chicks, a fat bastard & me. So that doubles everything.

Easy solved, you and fat bastard stay at home and you just send the hot chicks you don't even have to worry abut sending the sidecars

sidecar bob

2nd October 2009, 17:55

But if I leave my pink sidecar at home how am I going to kick your big white arse?!
Tracey :confused:

Kickaha

2nd October 2009, 17:59

But if I leave my pink sidecar at home how am I going to kick your big white arse?!
Tracey :confused:

Can't see that happening

I want an infraction for Sidecarblob letting Tracey use his login, it is against the site rules and he should be punished:whistle: (and not just by Tracey:msn-wink:)

sidecar bob

2nd October 2009, 18:14

Can't see that happening

I want an infraction for Sidecarblob letting Tracey use his login, it is against the site rules and he should be punished:whistle: (and not just by Tracey:msn-wink:)

Infraction? is that anything like a rim job?? Hope so!!!

diesel pig

2nd October 2009, 18:54

Kickaha

2nd October 2009, 19:18

Why not run sidecars at all five nats and institute a rule requiring all sidecar racers to drop the points from there worse nats meeting (E.G. The one they score the least points at.) That way the racers who only do four nats can drop the meeting they did not attend and the racers who do all five nats would drop the meeting that went shithouse for them (like a DNF or just finish lower down the order than there other nats)this would just not suit the pig islanders that only want to do two of the three mainland nats meetings but mainland racers could also do all three mainland nats and then cherrypick one of the two pig island meets they want to drag there sidecars to.

I once thought that would be a good idea, but the reality is it would simply mean we would be doing a 4 round series as we wouldn't have the minimum numbers for at least one round, it also leave the club needing to fill a gap in the grid possibly at short notice and means they can't really advertise what classes will be there

I don't think 5 rounds is quite as much of a problem as some people are making out, it just requires a bit more forward planning than people seem able to do

Although I reckon a big part of the problem is simply the scheduling of so many rounds over such a short time, run the SI rounds in November and the NI either before or after Paeroa

rat

2nd October 2009, 19:20

sidecar bob

2nd October 2009, 19:27

Kickaha

2nd October 2009, 19:29

Gez Kick were you saying something...
I fell asleep trying to read all of your dribble:sleep:

You just don't get it do you.
You either have not been around sidecars that long or you can't remember back that far.
History never repeats, Insert Tui Ad here.:brick:

Chris and Scrivy draged the association back from the bring of being kick out of MNZ several years ago, and we are headed down that same path.

Do you want some glasses, as you are very short sighted.:blink:

I've been around long enough to have seen it all before and if you had bothered to read it you would have seen an way around all the "we can't afford 3 weeks off" excuses

If the Sidecars aren't prepared to put the effort in to support a full National series they don't deserve to be there

You know basically from year to year roughly when the dates will be and there's 4 months advance warning from when the proper dates are advised, not as though you guys get any other racing so you got plenty of time to save up for them and organise your selves

But instead it all gets put in the too hard basket, instead of making excuses why they can't do it, they should be looking for ways on how to do it

rat

2nd October 2009, 19:45

sidecar bob

2nd October 2009, 19:49

I've been around long enough to have seen it all before and if you had bothered to read it you would have seen an way around all the "we can't afford 3 weeks off" excuses

If the Sidecars aren't prepared to put the effort in to support a full National series they don't deserve to be there

You know basically from year to year roughly when the dates will be and there's 4 months advance warning from when the proper dates are advised, not as though you guys get any other racing so you got plenty of time to save up for them and organise your selves

But instead it all gets put in the too hard basket, instead of making excuses why they can't do it, they should be looking for ways on how to do it

We are current supposed to be operating under what was decided at the last AGM (2 Sth Isl rounds) There hasnt been another AGM since that was decided so we had been long term planning for that. Now it seems one of the "more important" members of the association has MNZ in his pocket & the goalposts have been moved. If people want to move the goalposts they are more than welcome to play with themselves, but we will politely decline from involving ourselves.

rat

2nd October 2009, 19:51

I've been around long enough to have seen it all before and if you had bothered to read it you would have seen an way around all the "we can't afford 3 weeks off" excuses

If the Sidecars aren't prepared to put the effort in to support a full National series they don't deserve to be there

You know basically from year to year roughly when the dates will be and there's 4 months advance warning from when the proper dates are advised, not as though you guys get any other racing so you got plenty of time to save up for them and organise your selves

But instead it all gets put in the too hard basket, instead of making excuses why they can't do it, they should be looking for ways on how to do it

No I dont have the time or the money to support a full Nationals, nor does the majority of the Paid members of the association hence the Postal vote outcome.

rat

2nd October 2009, 19:52

We are current supposed to be operating under what was decided at the last AGM (2 Sth Isl rounds) There hasnt been another AGM since that was decided so we had been long term planning for that. Now it seems one of the "more important" members of the association has MNZ in his pocket & the goalposts have been moved. If people want to move the goalposts they are more than welcome to play with themselves, but we will politely decline from involving ourselves.

Yep no Nationals for me either only the Tri-Series and Paeroa.

old fartz

2nd October 2009, 20:09

we will be going to go to the tri series and paeroa we have a wedding to save for swingers getting hitched:2thumbsup

burtsidecar16

2nd October 2009, 20:39

:girlfight:thats fine kicka you can go and race with all your friends that you usually party with in that phone box

jellywrestler

2nd October 2009, 20:53

Gez Kick were you saying something...
I fell asleep trying to read all of your dribble:sleep:

:
seems clear to me by your abusive language and your attitude towards a south islander on the whole thing, one whose actually spent a lot of time penning his thoughts ideas on this subject etc that you're minds closed on this and you didn't start this thread for discussion, just to have a one sided rant...

rat

2nd October 2009, 21:02

seems clear to me by your abusive language and your attitude towards a south islander on the whole thing, one whose actually spent a lot of time penning his thoughts ideas on this subject etc that you're minds closed on this and you didn't start this thread for discussion, just to have a one sided rant...

Gez Spyda I thought you of all people would understand what is the best for the future of our sport?
After all you have been around the sport when they were running stone wheels.:laugh:

jellywrestler

2nd October 2009, 21:39

Gez Spyda I thought you of all people would understand what is the best for the future of our sport?
After all you have been around the sport when they were running stone wheels.:laugh:
I do Rat. Its a passion for me but I simply don't see that the tone of your original post and your attitude to Kickaha's well written (whether you agree or not) and in depth view from another competitor, and south islander who has similar logistics in travelling, only the other way around, doesn't really seem that you want to see other peoples views.

Kickaha

2nd October 2009, 22:28

When its all fucked & the big men of the sport have wandered off to conquer the world at croquet & lawn bowls, it will be the same small group of individuals with a passion for the sport that will once again rescue it from the brink of disaster, which by my rekoning isint too far off.

It's been on the brink of disaster ever since I have been watching and involved, when I first did the Nationals they minimum requirement for a class was 6 on the grid and 1/2 the time there was a problem getting that

It doesn't need the "same small group" it needs the associations members as a whole to come to consensus regarding this with all the egos and jealousy left at the door before the discussion starts, unfortunately that isn't ever liable to happen

No I dont have the time or the money to support a full Nationals, nor does the majority of the Paid members of the association hence the Postal vote outcome.

So you speak for the majority of the paid members? and what postal vote was this?

There is ten months from when the Nationals ends until the next Nationals start and that still isn't enough time to save the money and organise the time off? even with the fact you get no club racing up there?

Personally I don't give a fuck whether there are 4 or 5 rounds, even with being in the South where 3 out of the 5 rounds will be held 4 rounds is still obviously easier financially, especially as for the past few years we've had to make 2 trips north and will have to again this year

I reckon I have as much passion for sidecar racing as anyone, I race whenever possible and even when doing the Nationals has left me fairly stressed financially I have still done it just for the love of the sport even when it's meant that a lot of other stuff I would like to do has been put on the backburner

This years Nationals was only 4 rounds and how many were on the grid
(mylaps qualifying)
Ruapuna 13, 7 NI, 5 SI
Levels 10, 7 NI, 3 SI ( Bill crashed, Col sick)
Manfield 14 , 10 NI, 2 SI
Pukekohe 12, 10 NI, 2 SI

So is only doing 4 rounds going to give us better numbers this year? I doubt it when you look at the previous couple of years (08 wasn't any better)

You can also see a bit of difference in that every available SI sidecar turns up on the gird at their Island National events, pity the guys in the North don't show the same level of support for their local rounds

Kickaha

3rd October 2009, 06:47

from mylaps as far back as I could look from Q1 (some years there were no results up for some rounds)

02-03 champs

Dec 02, Manfield, 8 sidecars
Feb 03, Levels, 7 sidecars
Feb 03, Ruapuna 9 sidecars

03-04 champs

Dec 03, Pukekohe, 11 sidecars
Dec 03, Manfield, 9 sidecars
Jan 04, Ruapuna, 10 sidecars

04-05 champs

Dec 04, Ruapuna, 10 sidecars
Dec 04, Teretonga, 8 sidecars
Feb 05, Manfield, 8 sidecars
Mar 05, Pukekohe, 8 sidecars

05-06 champs

Dec 05, Puke, 16 sidecars
Manfield, Dec, 15 sidecars
Levels, Jan 06, 10 sidecars
Ruapuna, Jan 06, 12 sidecars

07 champs

Levels, Jan 07, 18 sidecars
Ruapuna Jan 07, 19 sidecars
Manfield, Feb 07, 19 sidecars
Pukekohe Mar 07, 21 sidecars

08 champs

Ruapuna Jan 08, 12 sidecars
Levels Jan 08, 13 sidecars
Manfield, Feb 08 14 sidecars
Pukekohe Mar 08, 10 sidecars

09 Champs

Levels, Jan 09, 10 sidecars
Ruapuna, Jan 09, 13 sidecars
Manfield, Feb 09, 14 sidecars
Puke, Mar 09, 12 sidecars

Now 07 was a bumper year, but I think that was the year all the entries were subsidised by the sidecar Association through sponsorship?

Now I've been told more than once about how many Sidecars there are in the North Island so where are they all? and why don't they attend local National rounds when there is so little racing throughout the year?

Shorty_925

3rd October 2009, 07:14

Whats the cross country rule Shorty?

Cross Countries have similar to what was mentioned earlier, 4 rounds, 3 count dropping your worst round, but as kickaha mentioned people wouldnt travel for that worst round. In cross country its slightly different, the rounds arent tooo far away from the ferry which isnt as possible with road racing. The most sountern round is down to the city of the damned, and the most northern is Palmerston North.

sidecar bob

3rd October 2009, 08:27

It doesn't need the "same small group" it needs the associations members as a whole to come to consensus regarding this with all the egos and jealousy left at the door before the discussion starts, unfortunately that isn't ever liable to happen

Yes, but it always is the same small group. Ego's & jealousy??? I distinctly remember one "member" at the last AGM repeat at least five times during the AGM "ive spent a lot of money on this sport", or words to that effect, thinking it gave him more clout to his arguments. When all he's actually done is spent a lot of money on himself, not the sport.
If i was jealous of the fact that you guys have to fuck around endlessly with overpriced heaps of shit, id buy one no problem, but im not.
P.S The majority voted for 2 rounds down south at the last AGM, so not sure how your argument stands up there.

rat

3rd October 2009, 09:13

I do Rat. Its a passion for me but I simply don't see that the tone of your original post and your attitude to Kickaha's well written (whether you agree or not) and in depth view from another competitor, and south islander who has similar logistics in travelling, only the other way around, doesn't really seem that you want to see other peoples views.

The travel views of kicks does have merrit if you have the xtra cash to throw at flights(Have you tried to fly out of Wanganui).
The other views do not. Seeing he is not a paid up member of NZSCRA and was not at the AGM and did not vote on the postal vote.
I thought the rest was dribble.
That is the point of this post to view everyones side (that wants to put their 2 cents worth in) of things and have a debate.

rat

3rd October 2009, 09:20

It's been on the brink of disaster ever since I have been watching and involved, when I first did the Nationals they minimum requirement for a class was 6 on the grid and 1/2 the time there was a problem getting that

It doesn't need the "same small group" it needs the associations members as a whole to come to consensus regarding this with all the egos and jealousy left at the door before the discussion starts, unfortunately that isn't ever liable to happen

So you speak for the majority of the paid members? and what postal vote was this?

There is ten months from when the Nationals ends until the next Nationals start and that still isn't enough time to save the money and organise the time off? even with the fact you get no club racing up there?

Personally I don't give a fuck whether there are 4 or 5 rounds, even with being in the South where 3 out of the 5 rounds will be held 4 rounds is still obviously easier financially, especially as for the past few years we've had to make 2 trips north and will have to again this year

I reckon I have as much passion for sidecar racing as anyone, I race whenever possible and even when doing the Nationals has left me fairly stressed financially I have still done it just for the love of the sport even when it's meant that a lot of other stuff I would like to do has been put on the backburner

This years Nationals was only 4 rounds and how many were on the grid
(mylaps qualifying)
Ruapuna 13, 7 NI, 5 SI
Levels 10, 7 NI, 3 SI ( Bill crashed, Col sick)
Manfield 14 , 10 NI, 2 SI
Pukekohe 12, 10 NI, 2 SI

So is only doing 4 rounds going to give us better numbers this year? I doubt it when you look at the previous couple of years (08 wasn't any better)

You can also see a bit of difference in that every available SI sidecar turns up on the gird at their Island National events, pity the guys in the North don't show the same level of support for their local rounds

13, 10, 14, 12 on the grid is better than a few years before of 6, 8 9, ect if we were lucky, and yes there would be more next year as more bikes are being brought in to the country and being handed on.
I disagree that every SI bike turns up I know of more than three or four bikes that are down south, and when you talk to some of the older and slower guys, They are not interested in being moving Chicanes for the rest of us in the Nationals. They enjoy the Club racing that you have down there, more than running at the nationals.

rat

3rd October 2009, 09:25

burtsidecar16

3rd October 2009, 11:15

well kicka if you were a paid up member of our association ? you would have received a newsletter approx 4;5 months ago with this postal ballot in it ,Im amazed you didnt here about it as I did receive some from down south including colin and just recently I personally went trough and rung 1 of each team to see if they were going south and if they were how many rounds would you like to do I even rung the south island teams the results of this I sent to jim tuckerman for his reveiw but obviously I wasted my time and money on phone calls

Kickaha

3rd October 2009, 15:35

I distinctly remember one "member" at the last AGM repeat at least five times during the AGM "ive spent a lot of money on this sport", or words to that effect, thinking it gave him more clout to his arguments.

The amount of money anyone spends on the sport is irrelavent and gives them no more "clout" than any other person involved

When all he's actually done is spent a lot of money on himself, not the sport.

Possibly, but he has been responsible for more sidecars entering New Zealand than anyone else I can think of in recent years , edit actually Pete the Pirate and the Lawrences have as well

that you guys have to fuck around endlessly with overpriced heaps of shit, id buy one no problem, but im not.

It's not neccesary to endlessly fuck with with them, over priced? maybe, pieces of shit, definitely not

P.S The majority voted for 2 rounds down south at the last AGM, so not sure how your argument stands up there.

Do you have the numbers for and against? and how many of those voting are people that would be actually attending "all the rounds"?

and yes there would be more next year as more bikes are being brought in to the country and being handed on.

And who has been primarily responsible for that happening I wonder?

I disagree that every SI bike turns up I know of more than three or four bikes that are down south, and when you talk to some of the older and slower guys, They are not interested in being moving Chicanes for the rest of us in the Nationals. They enjoy the Club racing that you have down there, more than running at the nationals.

3 or 4 more? whose are those then?, the only one I can think of that we know of that would be able to but isn't currently racing would be Kellys old bike and that should be out again next season as it needs a teardown and rebuild

As you have stated clearly here yourself the numbers are increasing.

They have decreased over the last 2 seasons

Yes we should look at what happened in the years of 06, 07 with help with transport costs. That will get more bikes travelling South and North.

That we should

The other views do not. Seeing he is not a paid up member of NZSCRA and was not at the AGM and did not vote on the postal vote.

Despite that I am still entitled to an opinion on this if you want to post it up on a public forum

I thought the rest was dribble.
That is the point of this post to view everyones side (that wants to put their 2 cents worth in) of things and have a debate.

What particular part did you think was dribble, put up a counter argument and lets debate it

well kickaha if you were a paid up member of our association ? you would have received a newsletter approx 4;5 months ago with this postal ballot in it ,Im amazed you didnt here about it as I did receive some from down south including colin

And I'd be prepared to admit it plain slipped my mind to join, how many current SI members are there, I'll do a recruitment drive if you email me the subscription form

just recently I personally went through and rung 1 of each team to see if they were going south and if they were how many rounds would you like to do I even rung the south island teams the results of this I sent to Jim Tuckerman for his review but obviously I wasted my time and money on phone calls

Even within the teams there can be disagreement, any one here thought to ask what my view on doing 4 rounds actually is?

Re South island members attending the AGM, some of cant afford the time or money to attend (hmmmmmm that sounds familiar :bleh:)

sidecar bob

4th October 2009, 17:34

So reading this thread without prejudice, i believe the 3 rounds issue needs re addressing post haste.

scrivy

4th October 2009, 17:37

Ahh, but theres two sidecars two hot chicks, a fat bastard & me. So that doubles everything.

Who you calling fat???? :gob:

scrivy

4th October 2009, 17:39

So reading this thread without prejudice, i believe the 3 rounds issue needs re addressing post haste.

When was the last time sidecars did more than 2 rounds down south??
Times have changed, people/teams have come and gone, but we still only always do less than 3 rounds for the Nats down south.
Whats changed??

Kickaha

4th October 2009, 18:20

So reading this thread without prejudice, i believe the 3 rounds issue needs re addressing post haste.

That it does, I would think someone other than Rat would be the person to contact them though:msn-wink:, there are several MNZ officials who use this site imagine one of them reading a thread calling them dipshits and arseholes

Who you calling fat???? :gob:

Calling you fat tubby

When was the last time sidecars did more than 2 rounds down south??

Must have been 5-6 years ago?

Times have changed, people/teams have come and gone, but we still only always do less than 3 rounds for the Nats down south.
Whats changed??

Obviously Some people that are no longer content with the status quo

sidecar bob

4th October 2009, 18:57

That it does, I would think someone other than Rat would be the person to contact them though:msn-wink:, there are several MNZ officials who use this site imagine one of them reading a thread calling them dipshits and arseholes

An MNZ official has already been in contact with our president regarding this thread.
While post number one & several subsequent ones were emotionally charged, i feel the poster should be cut a little slack seeing as he's actually the nicest & most helpful guy you could hope to run into, especially if your house happend to be on fire.
I would encourage MNZ officials to join in discussion on this board instead of scuttling in & out hopefully un detected.
If MNZ officials are attacked as a result of joining in discussions, Kb has ways of dealing with such behaviour, & i would make it my business to draw abusive posts to the attention of the moderators.

Kickaha

4th October 2009, 19:09

An MNZ official has already been in contact with our president regarding this thread.

It will be interesting to see the outcome of that

While post number one & several subsequent ones were emotionally charged, i feel the poster should be cut a little slack seeing as he's actually the nicest & most helpful guy you could hope to run into, especially if your house happened to be on fire.

By the time he got here there'd be nothing left unless it happened while he was down at one of the three rounds:lol: but you're right about the rest

I would encourage MNZ officials to join in discussion on this board instead of scuttling in & out hopefully un detected.

Top idea, it would be good to see some involvement form them on here and not just in this thread

If MNZ officials are attacked as a result of joining in discussions, Kb has ways of dealing with such behaviour, & i would make it my business to draw abusive posts to the attention of the moderators.

As would I

thanks for your support you must be one of the very few that get sponsored and can afford to take all that time off work

Didn't you take a full month off not long ago?:laugh:

rat

5th October 2009, 11:24

An MNZ official has already been in contact with our president regarding this thread.
While post number one & several subsequent ones were emotionally charged, i feel the poster should be cut a little slack seeing as he's actually the nicest & most helpful guy you could hope to run into, especially if your house happend to be on fire.
I would encourage MNZ officials to join in discussion on this board instead of scuttling in & out hopefully un detected.
If MNZ officials are attacked as a result of joining in discussions, Kb has ways of dealing with such behaviour, & i would make it my business to draw abusive posts to the attention of the moderators.

Thanks Bob,

Yes I do admitt My post could have been done better, And quite right Kick reducing to name calling will only bring me down to your level ( reading the stuff between you Dave, Bob, Scrivy).
I do apologise for any offense caused to Members of MNZ in my moment of ranting.
I still stand by my point on the issue, Which is Three rounds of the Nationals for Sidecars down South, and how this could affect race numbers in the future.
This is being addressed, and I wait with for the news of a outcome.

White trash

5th October 2009, 12:19

Maybe if you bunch of goobers all got "off line" and went did some paying work on a Monday, you'd have heaps of cash for three SI National rounds :stir:

sidecar bob

5th October 2009, 12:43

Maybe if you bunch of goobers all got "off line" and went did some paying work on a Monday, you'd have heaps of cash for three SI National rounds :stir:

Ive got a damp draughty workshop full of people doing that for me. Oh, i just checked the heatpump settings, the office is a barmy 20 degrees.:sweatdrop

White trash

5th October 2009, 12:44

Lol. Same here mate :D

scrivy

5th October 2009, 14:56

Maybe if you bunch of goobers all got "off line" and went did some paying work on a Monday, you'd have heaps of cash for three SI National rounds :stir:

I'm at home with two heaters on, staff at work doing my job.....

Who's complaining again......??

Sorry, aint got time to chat, gotta go watch MotoGP highlights on SKY again.....

Ciao....

Kickaha

5th October 2009, 16:32

Thanks Bob,

Yes I do admitt My post could have been done better, And quite right Kick reducing to name calling will only bring me down to your level ( reading the stuff between you Dave, Bob, Scrivy).

All in jest even the stuff I say to the poofta Scrivy :finger: and nothing I wouldn't say or more likely haven't to them in real life

I do apologise for any offense caused to Members of MNZ in my moment of ranting.
I still stand by my point on the issue, Which is Three rounds of the Nationals for Sidecars down South, and how this could affect race numbers in the future.

Good onya for the apology, it wasn't so much what you said that annoyed me but the way you said it

My personal view is that the Sidecar guys do themselves no favours by only doing part of a championship, everyone knows year to year when they are on and has plenty of time to save and organise for it and as I have shown the time you need to take off work is a lot less than you might think

I do believe the whole MNZ format of when the races are held and the number of rounds needs looking at though

Not that anyone asked me (not being a NZSRA member and all) but my view on the number of rounds would be that we should be doing all 5 rounds after all the NZ Championship is run over 5 rounds, however if I was voting on it I would be going for 4, not for any reason of numbers on the grid or the future of the sport because I think both are a cop out, but quite simply because to me it is more affordable

rat

5th October 2009, 17:10

All in jest even the stuff I say to the poofta Scrivy :finger: and nothing I wouldn't say or more likely haven't to them in real life

Good onya for the apology, it wasn't so much what you said that annoyed me but the way you said it

My personal view is that the Sidecar guys do themselves no favours by only doing part of a championship, everyone knows year to year when they are on and has plenty of time to save and organise for it and as I have shown the time you need to take off work is a lot less than you might think

I do believe the whole MNZ format of when the races are held and the number of rounds needs looking at though

Not that anyone asked me (not being a NZSRA member and all) but my view on the number of rounds would be that we should be doing all 5 rounds after all the NZ Championship is run over 5 rounds, however if I was voting on it I would be going for 4, not for any reason of numbers on the grid or the future of the sport because I think both are a cop out, but quite simply because to me it is more affordable

Cheers Kick,

Yep I agree the 5 rounds issue would be doable in a totally different formatt, Yes If you could afford to Fly you could work between rounds and not have so much time off.
But for me being in the Job I'm in, I can't very well take time off here and there to suit racing, My Leave gets booked well in advance, sometimes earlier than the confirmed race dates are out from MNZ,
(Bloody working for Government Depts).
And your point about being affordable, is why the Majority of teams go sidecar racing, because between two of you it is more affordable.

scrivy

6th October 2009, 06:49

rat

6th October 2009, 11:24

The real issue for me is the fact that MNZ have not listened to us (the NZSRA), as we are an affilliated club within MNZ. I've lost track of the times NZSRA have told MNZ that we can only do 2 rounds, to have them turn around and throw it in our face again.

Yep, As an association we have voted and presented this vote to MNZ at their AGM on what our club wants. Shouldn't we as a club have the say on what rules apply to our class of racing, MNZ is only the body to govern what we decide.

dangerous dan

6th October 2009, 17:00

Yep, As an association we have voted and presented this vote to MNZ at their AGM on what our club wants. Shouldn't we as a club have the say on what rules apply to our class of racing, MNZ is only the body to govern what we decide.

Are you guys for real? two rounds does not a championship make, i dont do politics or petulance and there seems to be a fair bit here on this thread, if your stamina can only cope with two championship rounds perhaps minis might be the class you should enter,may be reading it wrong hoping to get into the sport with a new rig but this shite excuse language blows me away .
doesnt anyone plan and budget for the champs which should be the premier racing all is there patch protection going on here for a private promotor to get big feilds at the expense of letting as many people up and down country see the best of sidecar racing. i thought we were all grown ups who could play on the big race track obviously to many private agendas here boys best you try going overseas and mix it with real racers,
this is mike drury on a wet afternoon with nothing better to do than shake my head. me once rig arrives will e turning up where ever i can race but then im committed , to being competitive , not in it for personal gain

Kickaha

6th October 2009, 17:24

Are you guys for real? two rounds does not a championship make,

We are talking about a four round championship with Two North Island rounds and TWO South Island rounds instead of three South Island rounds

What kind of outfit do you have coming?

sidecar bob

6th October 2009, 18:33

scrivy

6th October 2009, 18:59

Are you guys for real? two rounds does not a championship make, i dont do politics or petulance and there seems to be a fair bit here on this thread, if your stamina can only cope with two championship rounds perhaps minis might be the class you should enter,may be reading it wrong hoping to get into the sport with a new rig but this shite excuse language blows me away .
Hi Mike. As per the posts after yours, there are a minimum of 4 rounds for the Nats. No one is complaining about stamina - all the top teams last right up till the end of each race - even setting lap records on the final laps - so your on the wrong track there.

doesnt anyone plan and budget for the champs which should be the premier racing all is there patch protection going on here for a private promotor to get big feilds at the expense of letting as many people up and down country see the best of sidecar racing. i thought we were all grown ups who could play on the big race track obviously to many private agendas here boys best you try going overseas and mix it with real racers,
this is mike drury on a wet afternoon with nothing better to do than shake my head. me once rig arrives will e turning up where ever i can race but then im committed , to being competitive , not in it for personal gain

I don't really know who you're implying has hidden agendas, or who needs to go overseas to race against so called real racers. What exactly is a real racer?
What you seem to be unaware of Mike, is the fact that some people race to win, some to scare themselves, some to pose, some to have fun, and some for stress relief from work. Not everyone has the same reason for racing, so you can't tar them all with the same brush. Quite frankly, some just don't give a shit about the Nats or being competitive at all. Hence why this thread has surfaced. The majority of sidecar racers in NZ for the last 16 years has not wanted to do more than 2 rounds down South. Period! That is why some people are upset with MNZ's decision to railroad teams into doing 3 rounds down South. Nothing more than that really.

Scrivy

P.s. Whats the rig you're getting?

scrivy

6th October 2009, 20:20

What you seem to be unaware of Mike, is the fact that some people race to win, some to scare themselves, some to pose, some to have fun, and some for stress relief from work. Not everyone has the same reason for racing, so you can't tar them all with the same brush. Quite frankly, some just don't give a shit about the Nats or being competitive at all.

Hi Mike, here's an idea of why some people race.....
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=66383

rat

7th October 2009, 06:59

Are you guys for real? two rounds does not a championship make, i dont do politics or petulance and there seems to be a fair bit here on this thread, if your stamina can only cope with two championship rounds perhaps minis might be the class you should enter,may be reading it wrong hoping to get into the sport with a new rig but this shite excuse language blows me away .
doesnt anyone plan and budget for the champs which should be the premier racing all is there patch protection going on here for a private promotor to get big feilds at the expense of letting as many people up and down country see the best of sidecar racing. i thought we were all grown ups who could play on the big race track obviously to many private agendas here boys best you try going overseas and mix it with real racers,
this is mike drury on a wet afternoon with nothing better to do than shake my head. me once rig arrives will e turning up where ever i can race but then im committed , to being competitive , not in it for personal gain

WTF???
As has been said, talking about rounds of the Nationals (Not the whole thing).
Have you seen "Real Racers" ???
Well I have seen the Real Racers and their governing body is Superside, which is just for the Sidecar world champs, and does things for the best of the sport over there.
They don't seem to have the same problems, might have something to do with two wheelers not having any say in what they do, Funny that.

Interested in this new bike you say you have turning up.
Will you have it for the Have A Go Day in Taupo on the 1st Nov.
Are you a member of the association, Do you know about our AGM on the night before at the old club rooms, at the old Taupo track?

PM me your contact details if you need further info about this.

Rat

racer40

7th October 2009, 12:18

just to let you know, the Lawrance Bros team will not be doing the nationals this season, we have had a pretty bad year financially with work as i'm sure others have, & simply cant afford it this year, but even if we could have gone would have supported the NZSRAs decision to only do 2 S.I rounds as i believe in the democratic process. we ptobably wont even bother with the manfeild round either but will give the TT a go at hampton downs. will also do Tri series & streets as that is where the media, crowds are anyway.

sidecar bob

7th October 2009, 14:37

as that is where the media, crowds are anyway.

Well arent you the attention seeker then!!!

Kickaha

7th October 2009, 17:34

WTF???
They don't seem to have the same problems, might have something to do with two wheelers not having any say in what they do, Funny that.

Superside is reliant on the "Two Wheelers" to have them at their rounds so I suspect they might have more say than you might think

Superside isn't a stand alone championship with Sidecars only

rat

7th October 2009, 19:51

Superside is reliant on the "Two Wheelers" to have them at their rounds so I suspect they might have more say than you might think

Superside isn't a stand alone championship with Sidecars only

Sorry Kick but you information is a bit off the mark on this one.
Superside compete at Stand alone meetings, DTM car meetings, Truck meetings and the two Moto GP meetings as an invitational class.
The Superside FIM World Championship is governed by Superside alone, but is under the umbrella of FIM (as they have to be), and is for the sidecar world champs, not Moto GP or any other class of two wheeler racing.

I was fortunate enough when Steve and I went to the world champs at the two Moto GP meetings in 07, to meet a couple of Organisers and one of the managers of Superside, Steve and I both got to discuss how they run things and what the eligabillity of running a team in the championship was.

Cheers
Rat

scrivy

7th October 2009, 20:36

Well there ya go Kick.....

YOU'RE PROVEN WRONG AGAIN!!! LMFAO!!! :dodge::whistle::banana:

Rat, you da man!!

Kickaha

7th October 2009, 21:35

Superside compete at Stand alone meetings, DTM car meetings, Truck meetings and the two Moto GP meetings as an invitational class.
The Superside FIM World Championship is governed by Superside alone, but is under the umbrella of FIM (as they have to be), and is for the sidecar world champs, not Moto GP or any other class of two wheeler racing.

Well there ya go Kick.....

YOU'RE PROVEN WRONG AGAIN!!! LMFAO!!! :dodge::whistle::banana:

Rat, you da man!!

I don't think either of you quite got what I meant, Superside maybe the organiser of the Sidecar world championship but as Rat pointed out they are an "Invitational" class so are still reliant on the two wheelers (and others) to include them at their meetings

How many Superside meetings out of the 5 run for the 09 season are run Sidecars only with no other classes involved at the events and solely organised and run by Superside and not DTM, MotoGP, Trucks etc?

If the two wheelers and others decided not to "invite" Sidecars then how long would the Superside championship last?

sidecar bob

8th October 2009, 06:28

I don't think either of you quite got what I meant, Superside maybe the organiser of the Sidecar world championship but as Rat pointed out they are an "Invitational" class so are still reliant on the two wheelers (and others) to include them at their meetings

How many Superside meetings out of the 5 run for the 09 season are run Sidecars only with no other classes involved at the events and solely organised and run by Superside and not DTM, MotoGP, Trucks etc?

If the two wheelers and others decided not to "invite" Sidecars then how long would the Superside championship last?

I think we need a treaty signed with the solo guys to promise to include us in all meetings they run... for free.
The solo guys should put on meetings solely for the sidecar guys & they should also provide us a fund that we can dig in to if we blow up our motors.
We also need our own special governing body that tell MNZ how many beans make three, funded by MNZ themselves.
That sort of structure has worked for other minority groups!!!

rat

8th October 2009, 06:43

I think we need a treaty signed with the solo guys to promise to include us in all meetings they run... for free.
The solo guys should put on meetings solely for the sidecar guys & they should also provide us a fund that we can dig it to if we blow up our motors.
We also need our own special governing body that tell MNZ how many beans make three, funded by MNZ themselves.
That sort of structure has worked for other minority groups!!!

Love it :2thumbsup:banana:

rat

8th October 2009, 06:46

I don't think either of you quite got what I meant, Superside maybe the organiser of the Sidecar world championship but as Rat pointed out they are an "Invitational" class so are still reliant on the two wheelers (and others) to include them at their meetings

How many Superside meetings out of the 5 run for the 09 season are run Sidecars only with no other classes involved at the events and solely organised and run by Superside and not DTM, MotoGP, Trucks etc?

If the two wheelers and others decided not to "invite" Sidecars then how long would the Superside championship last?

Not sure on the 09 season.
Yes they rely on others to race at their meetings, but the point was that Superside is their sole governing body, not a two wheel organisation.

scrivy

8th October 2009, 09:32

O, o, o... now we're playing the race card (Pun intended....) and Rat is again right......

Love this shit.......!!!! :banana::2thumbsup:whistle:
:corn::corn::corn:

scrivy

8th October 2009, 09:37

Superside maybe the organiser of the Sidecar world championship but as Rat pointed out they are an "Invitational" class so are still reliant on the two wheelers (and others) to include them at their meetings

I've heard we've been invited to race with the motorised toilet racers, the amphibious M/C owners club and also the 4 wheeler quad bike club. Sounds like our calendars getting fuller and fuller!!!! :lol:
Now who's complaining that they don't get enough racing in?? :whistle:

rat

8th October 2009, 10:07

I've heard we've been invited to race with the motorised toilet racers, the amphibious M/C owners club and also the 4 wheeler quad bike club. Sounds like our calendars getting fuller and fuller!!!! :lol:
Now who's complaining that they don't get enough racing in?? :whistle:

I thought we wre competeing at the Submarine sprint races in the Wanganui river (No H).:banana:
Now that's a real spectator sport.

Kickaha

8th October 2009, 16:32

I thought we wre competeing at the Submarine sprint races in the Wanganui river (

I'll help strap the weight onto Scurvy to hold him under:whistle:

jellywrestler

8th October 2009, 17:06

Thanks Bob,

Yes I do admitt My post could have been done better, And quite right Kick .

you could always go back an edit some of the expletives out maybe??

scrivy

8th October 2009, 18:47

I'll help strap the weight onto Scurvy to hold him under:whistle:

Mate, I've eaten too many pies lately - no need for the weight to be added.....

Now I know how you feel Kick...........................

dangerous dan

8th October 2009, 19:05

Hi Mike, here's an idea of why some people race.....
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=66383

thanks scrivy,hadnt seen this post,and thanks to those who pointed out its 4 rounds, was getting seriously worried ,spent time when in nz last season incognito in the pits as far as one as tall as i am can ,getting the feel, surfice to say the new rig will be unveiled and a big big surprise to the conventional,seemed to me their were a few agendas as with every organisation,sorry to hear the lawrence bros wont be at Nationals,have been impressed with the return those boys give their sponsers.My biggest problem is workwise as currently on call however i have reservations about track surface at Taupo, has anything been done since last season? and goss in us is Hampton Downs isnt getting superbikes ,anyone can confirm this.

Kickaha

8th October 2009, 19:20

Now I know how you feel Kick...........................

Like a finely tuned athlete?

rat

8th October 2009, 20:14

you could always go back an edit some of the expletives out maybe??

already did

scrivy

8th October 2009, 21:38

Like a finely tuned athlete?

Sort of........???

But rather a fat, unco sidecar member.......

Kickaha

8th October 2009, 21:49

surfice to say the new rig will be unveiled and a big big surprise to the conventional

Only so much you can do within the rules so I doubt it will be that much of a suprise

Although if you turn up with a short monocoque,hub centre steer with a Krauser or ADM in it, it might be a good change

i have reservations about track surface at Taupo, has anything been done since last season? and goss in us is Hampton Downs isnt getting superbikes ,anyone can confirm this.

You'll be on three wheels you don't have to worry about track surface

Hampton Downs didn't ever have SBK confirmed and I think it unlikely it ever will

Sort of........???

But rather a fat, unco sidecar member.......

Nothing wrong with my member

scrivy

9th October 2009, 07:49

Nothing wrong with my member

Kick, your member and fat should never be put in the same sentence..... ever!!!

sidecar bob

9th October 2009, 12:58

Kick, your member and fat should never be put in the same sentence..... ever!!!

I worry that you know that.

scrivy

9th October 2009, 14:30

I worry that you know that.

pffffttttttt...................

Jealousy will get you no where Bob!

Kickaha

9th October 2009, 18:14

I worry that you know that.

I think it was in one of those pictures I emailed him, trying to compete against his home made porn

scrivy

10th October 2009, 08:08

I think it was in one of those pictures I emailed him, trying to compete against his home made porn

Kick, can you please remove me from your bulk e-mail out of gay porn. I have never wanted any of it, nor do I wish to partake in it with your 'boys' as you so call them.

Kickaha

10th October 2009, 08:51

Kick, can you please remove me from your bulk e-mail out of gay porn. I have never wanted any of it, nor do I wish to partake in it with your 'boys' as you so call them.

Sorry, it was the Bestiality one you wanted then?

scrivy

10th October 2009, 09:52

Sorry, it was the Bestiality one you wanted then?

Come on Kick, stop acting the goat........

You always horse around.......

You lookin a little sheepish there Kick?? :devil2:

bolt

31st October 2009, 06:55

wow there have been some interesting posts in the last month. I was involved in sidecars in the eighties and early nineties. We use to have the AGM at the Rangitiki tavern in Bulls back then. Main topics were to reduce nz champs to 2 rounds in south island (any 2 tracks, it didnt matter) and the north island rounds of nz champs to be on consecutive weekends. Also the 1000cc Verse 1200cc engine size rule was discussed. I hope 20 years later you guys have moved on to other subjects to bitch about!!

Kickaha

31st October 2009, 08:20

I hope 20 years later you guys have moved on to other subjects to bitch about!!

Not really,some people just have a problem letting go

The whole engine capacity rule is a non event really, the argument I have seen about bringing us into line with Oz and what the reat of the world are doing etc doesn't stack up because no more than 1-2 people form here are ever likely to go and race in Oz or elsewhere and they'll make sure there bikes comply

I see the biggest problem with the amount of rounds 4 vs 5 is more of a scheduling thing rather than the amount of rounds being held, but then again some people would be lucky if they could organise themselves if it was only 2

scrivy

31st October 2009, 08:24

Not really,some people just have a problem letting go

The whole engine capacity rule is a non event really, the argument I have seen about bringing us into line with Oz and what the reat of the world are doing etc doesn't stack up because no more than 1-2 people form here are ever likely to go and race in Oz or elsewhere and they'll make sure there bikes comply

I see the biggest problem with the amount of rounds 4 vs 5 is more of a scheduling thing rather than the amount of rounds being held, but then again some people would be lucky if they could organise themselves if it was only 2

AGM tonight. See if anythings changed! :whocares:

sidecar bob

31st October 2009, 08:29

AGM tonight. See if anythings changed! :whocares:

You mean the Argument? Nothing will be resolved & people will be pushing their own barrows as has been the case in sidecar racing for at least the last 21 years that i have been involved..
Lets see if any of the "big men" of the sport are out there the next day being ambassadors & giving rides at the have a go day. Na, i thought they wouldnt, same as last year.