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Benk
2nd October 2009, 07:40
Well, bit late guys but here goes.

After taking the majority of winter off racing to save some money, buy some new leathers (in patriotic BOP colours) /safety gear, and do some more reading of books and fettling with bikes, so by the time this round rolled around I was super keen to get out there.

With the mighty vfr still undergoing corrective surgery, the old man has given me his fzr1000 to race for the season, which was always going to be a buzz, having only done a couple of track day sessions on it, and ridden nothing bigger than a 250 on the road (for more than a couple of kms at least)

Qualifying:
Eeeeeeekkk. Riding like rubbish, qualified with high 1:24 which made me laugh, but I set it in the last lap, so took it as a positive. Bike didn't feel that great squatting too much in the rear, too high and soft at the front, seat was too slippery, hitting about 5 false neutrals a lap, and front brake was STILL almost coming into the bar, so I spent the whole time trying to hold onto the whale. So made some furious adjustments (preload, drop forks through, shorten seat, re adjust and file gear lever down), to hopefully get things a bit more under control.

Race 1:
Got a reasonable start (for me), and had fun dialling in some horsepower. Still getting to grips with stopping the big girl. Lost concentration half way through and got passed by the couple I got past at the start of the race. Good wakeup call for me, and made me appreciate how sweet NC30's do handle :) Best time of 1:24.054

Pulled the rear wheel off to crank up preload and damping. No idea how much, just kept cranking until the rear didnt drop quite so much when I pushed down on it (scientific I know)

Early night, spent on the side of the road, I don't reckon the transient lifestyle is all that bad, as long as I can beg for enough money to keep fuel in the tank :)

Race 2:
Got a terrible start. Last into turn 1 (I assumse there was no one behind me), bike felt so much better, still not pushing anywhere near hard enough going into the corners, front end didnt feel that great, and I was being a chicken. Started catching a GSXR 750 mid race, then he got the hurry up, and I hit a big false neutral coming into dunlop and locked up the rear wheel coming in, which fucked up my concentration, and I chickened out, and once more, a few of the bikes I was infront of got past. Felt I was slowing the protwins guys down meanly through the infield, but then again, Ive put up with the same thing racing a 400 so tough shiite, my turn to be the road block haha. Managed to beat Seddo on the GS1000 through a combination of hp and poor riding (on my part), so I was happy with that. Best time of 1:22.901

Race 3:
Average start. But was starting to get to grips with the bike, so had fun this race. Felt the thing sliding a couple of times, still too much of a baby on the brakes, and not holding enough corner speed, but I at least held my focus for the whole race (which I hadnt done previously). Chased Ivan Juggins around which was fun, he had way better corner speed and lines, but I had hp on my side so squirted past him on the easy bits. Seddo cruised up in the inside coming into higgens on the last lap, and I got him coming out on power. Coming into Dunlop, held my slow (but defensive at least) line through Dunlop and managed to stay infront. Awesome fun.

All in all it was a great weekend. Probably wasnt going as fast as I wanted to be but, in all honesty it was probably just unrealistic expectations. At least now I know what the 1000 brings to the table, and I have a place to improve from. So now for new brakes, and some front end work by RT. Bring on Taupo! Back to off camber corners, Yeeeessssss. Taupo is great, and apparently the patches are better than ever (which Im actually dissappointed about now, as I had my lines sorted for inside the patches).

Report didnt mean to fill up with quite so many excuses! Apologies. Bring on the NZPCRA GP at the end of the month! :2thumbsup :beer:

Clivoris
2nd October 2009, 13:21
Shit mate. Sounds like it was quite a challenge. You gonna keep going on the FZR?

Benk
2nd October 2009, 13:27
Shit mate. Sounds like it was quite a challenge.

Yeah, it was, but the biked had never been raced previously, so I knew there was going to be some things totally wrong, by the end of the weekend I felt alright with it all, and once the brakes and the frontend are sorted a bit more, and more importantly, I get some more tracktime things will start getting better. Pulls good coming out of corners though :2thumbsup


You gonna keep going on the FZR?

Yup, Ill have the vfr and the fzr going at the Posties GP, and first round of the summer series coming up.

mossy1200
2nd October 2009, 14:51
RT did the front of mine and it was an instant 1-2 seconds per lap.Whole bike transformed with faster entry speeds and better lines in the corners.Just a different bike to ride.I got twin braided lines on the front brakes and that helped no end.I also changed to dot4 and spent time bleeding it.The fzr caliper pistons are not the best until they have had a rebuild and they get very dirty between the seal and dust seal so I extend the pistons out and clean them every round.Power delivery is good but mine is reluctant below 8tho so its a matter of keeping revs high as possible.I changed my front down one tooth and rear up 2 for manfeild from stock and even thats a little to high gearing.Its perfect for Taupo rounds though.Vortex kit with their optimium gearing as advertised is what I have and the chain sprocket set is almost 2kg lighter than stock.This is a mod well worth doing.I spent big money getting rid of exup for yoshi headers and no airbox and now cv carbs are poor and find myself needing fcrs as its still not perfect after lots of dyno tuning so dont do this unless you have 4grand to spend.I wouldnt have started down this direction if I had realised how much it would cost.
Dyno jet kit reduced horsepower and responce so went back to stock needles with just the slide holes drilled one drill size up.
Loved that bright paint job and leathers.

Benk
3rd October 2009, 09:23
RT did the front of mine and it was an instant 1-2 seconds per lap.Whole bike transformed with faster entry speeds and better lines in the corners.Just a different bike to ride.I got twin braided lines on the front brakes and that helped no end.I also changed to dot4 and spent time bleeding it.The fzr caliper pistons are not the best until they have had a rebuild and they get very dirty between the seal and dust seal so I extend the pistons out and clean them every round.Power delivery is good but mine is reluctant below 8tho so its a matter of keeping revs high as possible.I changed my front down one tooth and rear up 2 for manfeild from stock and even thats a little to high gearing.Its perfect for Taupo rounds though.Vortex kit with their optimium gearing as advertised is what I have and the chain sprocket set is almost 2kg lighter than stock.This is a mod well worth doing.I spent big money getting rid of exup for yoshi headers and no airbox and now cv carbs are poor and find myself needing fcrs as its still not perfect after lots of dyno tuning so dont do this unless you have 4grand to spend.I wouldnt have started down this direction if I had realised how much it would cost.
Dyno jet kit reduced horsepower and responce so went back to stock needles with just the slide holes drilled one drill size up.
Loved that bright paint job and leathers.

Hi Mossy, thanks for the tips. I hear ya about the brakes, mine are looking pretty blackend and dusty after the weekend. Only things which I might consider in the future (once I can ride what I got to its limits [or my limits on it] with a decent frontend) would be a good ram air setup, decent rear shock, and put the bike on a diet. Bike seems to be fuelling really well, so other than the ram air, I dont think Ill be swapping too many bits around. Dont really want to spend too much money on it, just learn to get it dialled in better, and use some brain power to get whats on there currently running better. Thats the best bit about pre 89, you can make them go faster, and work better with a few little tricks and tinkering, the newer stuff is just so much better to start with!

mossy1200
3rd October 2009, 09:30
Hi Mossy, thanks for the tips. I hear ya about the brakes, mine are looking pretty blackend and dusty after the weekend. Only things which I might consider in the future (once I can ride what I got to its limits [or my limits on it] with a decent frontend) would be a good ram air setup, decent rear shock, and put the bike on a diet. Bike seems to be fuelling really well, so other than the ram air, I dont think Ill be swapping too many bits around. Dont really want to spend too much money on it, just learn to get it dialled in better, and use some brain power to get whats on there currently running better. Thats the best bit about pre 89, you can make them go faster, and work better with a few little tricks and tinkering, the newer stuff is just so much better to start with!
You cant ram air a cv carb on a fzr1000.It pushes the diaphram up and wont work.K&N filter added 2hp without tuning on mine but going further than that with lots of dyno work did nothing but move the hp higher up with bottom end loss.Best get the handling as good as possible so you have higher exit speed out of corners.16/49 gearing achieves more revs for manfeild and taupo than the stock 17/47 and makes the bike accelerate better.Another idea is to reduce the fuel temp by shielding the base of you tank.cheepest mod for extra few hp.The ram air ducts on the fzr are designed to blow cold air under the airbox cooling the carbs and providing a cold air baffle block to stop hot air raising to the airbox intake rather than increasing air pressure to the carbs.
FZRONLINE has a good amount of mod details if you want to have a look through the info on the site.

Benk
3rd October 2009, 09:46
You cant ram air a cv carb on a fzr1000.It pushes the diaphram up and wont work.K&N filter added 2hp without tuning on mine but going further than that with lots of dyno work did nothing but move the hp higher up with bottom end loss.Best get the handling as good as possible so you have higher exit speed out of corners.16/49 gearing achieves more revs for manfeild and taupo than the stock 17/47 and makes the bike accelerate better.Another idea is to reduce the fuel temp by shielding the base of you tank.cheepest mod for extra few hp.The ram air ducts on the fzr are designed to blow cold air under the airbox cooling the carbs and providing a cold air baffle block to stop hot air raising to the airbox intake rather than increasing air pressure to the carbs.
FZRONLINE has a good amount of mod details if you want to have a look through the info on the site.

Cheers, yeah, Im not looking to use the standard air ducts for the Ram air, it will be a bit of a long term plan anyway, and if it cant be done ill probably just leave it.

Yeah, have played around with the gearing, and have a few spares that I can play with at taupo. Gearing for Manfield felt good for the 5 speed. 6 speed will be getting popped in at some stage.

Peter Smith
3rd October 2009, 13:34
Cheers, yeah, Im not looking to use the standard air ducts for the Ram air, it will be a bit of a long term plan anyway, and if it cant be done ill probably just leave it.

Yeah, have played around with the gearing, and have a few spares that I can play with at taupo. Gearing for Manfield felt good for the 5 speed. 6 speed will be getting popped in at some stage.

It was good to finally meet ya in person and I look forward to racing you in Taupo.
Your bike should have plenty of power standard, the trick is to get the cornering speed up. Good suspension is a must on these heavy bikes. Good brakes are also needed.
Handling first then POWER later.:Punk:

kiwifruit
3rd October 2009, 13:56
Good work staying on it Ben :D

Now off to fix the suspension!

Benk
3rd October 2009, 14:06
It was good to finally meet ya in person and I look forward to racing you in Taupo.
Your bike should have plenty of power standard, the trick is to get the cornering speed up. Good suspension is a must on these heavy bikes. Good brakes are also needed.
Handling first then POWER later.:Punk:

Cheers Peter, you too. Yeah, Taupo should be fun! Cant wait to get that new frontend :Punk:


Good work staying on it Ben :D

Now off to fix the suspension!

Cheers fruity, I was going too slow to crash :wari: :done:

worm13
12th October 2009, 08:45
[QUOTE=mossy1200;1129437926]You cant ram air a cv carb on a fzr1000.It pushes the diaphram up and wont work.

Id hate to say your wrong but.... you can air ram cv carbs only if you you but the carbs in the air box not the air box on the carbs... it doesnt help you much down low however end of 4th thru to 6th is awesome when watching the rev counter is like a slipping clutch effect... Chat to Warren W about it... it works a treat.

mossy1200
12th October 2009, 17:11
[QUOTE=mossy1200;1129437926]You cant ram air a cv carb on a fzr1000.It pushes the diaphram up and wont work.

Id hate to say your wrong but.... you can air ram cv carbs only if you you but the carbs in the air box not the air box on the carbs... it doesnt help you much down low however end of 4th thru to 6th is awesome when watching the rev counter is like a slipping clutch effect... Chat to Warren W about it... it works a treat.

I could be wrong but ram ducting bdst38 carbs would involve a main jet so big that it would leave rich mid range that needles could never sort as they already sit near their lowest setting on a fzr.These carbs also have vibrating slide issues that wear out emulsion tubes like they are made of butter.I wouldnt trust the slides to close at speed with ram ducted airbox at all.Remember these also run exup exaust system and you could spend forever trying to find a balance thats usable.If it a Genesis with bdst37 carbs and no exup it maybe an option but bang for buck would be better spent on handling.
I gave up on my carbs after $$$$$ spent on dyno and bought fcrs instead

scroter
13th October 2009, 21:05
We did a bit of tussling for position to, i was on blue and white pro twin #83. I saw you get sideways going into dunlop on one lap, made me slow down a bit at the time, it left one hell of a black line. you were certainly hard to pass. great fight though enjoyed it alot. good luck for the rest of your season.

Benk
14th October 2009, 07:02
We did a bit of tussling for position to, i was on blue and white pro twin #83. I saw you get sideways going into dunlop on one lap, made me slow down a bit at the time, it left one hell of a black line. you were certainly hard to pass. great fight though enjoyed it alot. good luck for the rest of your season.

Haha, yeah, it was good fun eh! Hopefully next time we meet Ill be able to meet you with some corner speed as well :headbang: Catchya round