Estimating others' abilities?

[carver]

sometimes, when riding fast, you assume that the person in front of you is as capable as you, however, recently, i have had a few close calls when this has turned out not to be so.
usually when overtaking on the outside mid corner.
it seems to scare people, but one you get to the straights it a game of full throttle drags!

what to do?

[Ixion]

Ride full speed into the nearest ditch, to show them how it's done.

[mossy1200]

sometimes, when riding fast, you assume that the person in front of you is as capable as you, however, recently, i have had a few close calls when this has turned out not to be so.
usually when overtaking on the outside mid corner.
it seems to scare people, but one you get to the straights it a game of full throttle drags!

what to do?
get a race bike and a bonneville then you dont have passing issues.Be aware some hoons will try pass you on the outside mid corner.

[YellowDog]

sometimes, when riding fast, you assume that the person in front of you is as capable as you, however, recently, i have had a few close calls when this has turned out not to be so.
usually when overtaking on the outside mid corner.
it seems to scare people, but one you get to the straights it a game of full throttle drags!

what to do?
You can easily intimidate others into riding above their ability so as not to look inferior.

Whilst I realise that it is their poor choice, pride can sometimes get the better of us.

Living up to our own Bullshit can be deadly.

Best avoided.

[cs363]

Ride full speed into the nearest ditch, to show them how it's done.

Better still, what about an updated version of this:

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[rosie631]

Overtaking on corners is alright on the track but I reckon it's a risky move on the road. Who's to say the rider you're overtaking isn't going to change their lines midway to avoid a pothole or something. When I'm cornering I'm concentrating on my lines, not looking in my mirrors to see if some dickwad is deciding to overtake.

[Mom]

I never make assumptions about other peoples abilities. Young carver, you ever overtake me around the outside mid corner, trust me the next time we stop I will give you a small talking to :spanking:

I generally have really good spacial awareness, and am rarely surprised on my own bike, though have been given a hell fright a few times as a pillion.

Overtaking like that shows small penis skills, getting on a straight and doing a stand up mono past shows fine styles. Though I should of course say as a disclaimer here that wheelies are not big or clever :nono:

[Quasievil]

just ride with those who you know mate.

I had a moment on a recent lride.............thought I might end up with a extra body on my motard for a sec.......no probs though, turned in the opposite direction, prefer riding alone anyway

[Ixion]

I'm not clear what the problem is with overtaking people on the outside (corner or no). On the *inside* , of course, ca va etc.

But I've sometimes overtaken people on corners, always going to the outside. Sometimes (more often) been overtaken ditto.

It's not so often that a corner has sufficient visibility to do it, but if there is I can't see a problem?

And if you're on a small bike, it's almost the only way to get past those big crusiers that blast off like mad in the straights then slow down to an awkward and offputting speed at the corners.

[Ixion]

Overtaking on corners is alright on the track but I reckon it's a risky move on the road. Who's to say the rider you're overtaking isn't going to change their lines midway to avoid a pothole or something. When I'm cornering I'm concentrating on my lines, not looking in my mirrors to see if some dickwad is deciding to overtake.

Surely, the same might be said of overtaking on the straight?

[carver]

I never make assumptions about other peoples abilities. Young carver, you ever overtake me around the outside mid corner, trust me the next time we stop I will give you a small talking to :spanking:

I generally have really good spacial awareness, and am rarely surprised on my own bike, though have been given a hell fright a few times as a pillion.

Overtaking like that shows small penis skills, getting on a straight and doing a stand up mono past shows fine styles. Though I should of course say as a disclaimer here that wheelies are not big or clever :nono:

wow, your tough!

overtaking like that is easy as long as everything goes according to plan


just ride with those who you know mate.

I had a moment on a recent lride.............thought I might end up with a extra body on my motard for a sec.......no probs though, turned in the opposite direction, prefer riding alone anyway

i do prefer to ride with those i know


Overtaking on corners is alright on the track but I reckon it's a risky move on the road. Who's to say the rider you're overtaking isn't going to change their lines midway to avoid a pothole or something. When I'm cornering I'm concentrating on my lines, not looking in my mirrors to see if some dickwad is deciding to overtake.

well, that is the idea, i never look in my mirrors while cornering, thats stupid!~

you have to look after yourself

[beyond]

sometimes, when riding fast, you assume that the person in front of you is as capable as you, however, recently, i have had a few close calls when this has turned out not to be so.
usually when overtaking on the outside mid corner.
it seems to scare people, but one you get to the straights it a game of full throttle drags!

what to do?

Ride with me mate :) :bleh:

Like Ixion, I find no problem when overtaking on the outside of the corner as long as you can see all is clear and it's done safely.

[Maki]

sometimes, when riding fast, you assume that the person in front of you is as capable as you, however, recently, i have had a few close calls when this has turned out not to be so.
usually when overtaking on the outside mid corner.
it seems to scare people, but one you get to the straights it a game of full throttle drags!

what to do?

You got a gixxer thou and have trouble overtaking people on the straights!?!?

If you are not sure how people around you ride keep a safe distance.

[carver]

Ride with me mate :) :bleh:

Like Ixion, I find no problem when overtaking on the outside of the corner as long as you can see all is clear and it's done safely.

i will ride with you anyday


You got a gixxer thou and have trouble overtaking people on the straights!?!?

If you are not sure how people around you ride keep a safe distance.

sure do, 260+ kph aint really my thing

[AllanB]

Interesting post ...........

Take your time mate. Oddly enough it's not a race!

If you find yourself in the twisties behind the slower rider back off a bit and do not crowd their rear like some anus-loving-arse-bandit - all this will do is rattle them, possibly to the point of making a serious mistake.

I hate it when someone is riding my rear tyre like that.

After a couple of corners they will know you are back there and you can get pass on the next safe and clear opportunity - chances are they'll tuck in to the left for you to make it safer (that's what I'd do).

Then if they catch up with you at the next stop your more likely to get the thumbs up and a 'good skills mate' other than a 'fuck your a ..........'

[NDORFN]

sometimes, when riding fast, you assume that the person in front of you is as capable as you, however, recently, i have had a few close calls when this has turned out not to be so.
usually when overtaking on the outside mid corner.
it seems to scare people, but one you get to the straights it a game of full throttle drags!

what to do?

Why you're not a mentor yet is beyond me :scratch:

[YellowDog]

:rofl: :) :rofl:

[Deano]

sure do, 260+ kph aint really my thing

Get the fuck outta here :clap:

[Maha]

260+ kph aint really my thing

But Fundraising is ??....:clap:

[BMWST?]

i pass other motorcyclists in the same way i would pass any other vehicle,ie i use the other lane.I wouldnt pass an unknown to me rider mid corner closely,unless i had followed them through a few bends and thereby assess them

[Chrislost]

sometimes, when riding fast, you assume that the person in front of you is as capable as you, however, recently, i have had a few close calls when this has turned out not to be so.
usually when overtaking on the outside mid corner.
it seems to scare people, but one you get to the straights it a game of full throttle drags!

what to do?

Just go flying up the inside of them, and if they flinch they are not as good as you assumed.

[Cr1MiNaL]

Ride with me mate :) :bleh:

Like Ixion, I find no problem when overtaking on the outside of the corner as long as you can see all is clear and it's done safely.

Totally agree here, overtaking on wide sweeping corners is quite alright by me so long as your sensible about it. I recently overtook a lesser experienced rider on a much smaller bike mid corner doing about twice the speed she was doing and was hoping my pipes would not unsettle anyone. Turns out it didn't as I did it as safely as possible. Of cause with the R1 I wait for the straights as Gixxer thous don't really stand much of a chance once I shift up to 2nd:headbang:

[CookMySock]

overtaking like that is easy as long as everything goes according to planEverything doesn't always go to plan, and then you are hanging by a thread. Haven't you learned your lesson yet? Going hard on the open road in groups is asking for trouble. Y'know, blood, hair, and bone on the road.. some people silent and some people screaming.. Haven't you seen enough of that? Don't you remember what it looked and smelled like and how you felt about it? You felt sick didn't you? The worst kind of sick... :msn-wink:

Sounds to me like you need to get on the track more regularly, and blow it out of your system.

Steve

[Biggles08]

sometimes, when riding fast, you assume that the person in front of you is as capable as you, however, recently, i have had a few close calls when this has turned out not to be so.
usually when overtaking on the outside mid corner.
it seems to scare people, but one you get to the straights it a game of full throttle drags!

what to do?

Getting to close to any other rider on the road is just simply a dumb idea unless you know them and their skills....stay riding with those you know and are comfortable with. Personally I ended up disliking group rides completely because they were usually filled up with young, dumb full of cum riders who seemed to think they were V. Rossi.... ended up riding with a small group of the same riders more and understood thier style.

[The Stranger]

Interesting post ...........

Take your time mate. Oddly enough it's not a race!


For gods sake, hello, it's not serious, it's a piss take.
Estimating others' abilities, if you ride/drive based on your estimate of others' abilities you know damn well how that's going to end, and well Carver knows that.

He's obviously been riding with raj again and just wanting to wind him up to see how much bullshit raj will spout and as we can see, it worked.

[Madness]

He's obviously been riding with raj again and just wanting to wind him up to see how much bullshit raj will spout and as we can see, it worked.

Like he needs prompting. :msn-wink:

Thought of the day: Korma's a bitch.

[mossy1200]

I see my next pass victim early and prepare my pass manoeuvre ,be it a cage or gl145.
Quick as a flash I change down one gear from top to 4th.
I role that throttle on full letting the acceleration rapidly crawl from 95 to 110.
Knowing I have almost half a km to get this done the excitement wells up and the indicators go on.Edge past and the deed is done.

[Murray]

sometimes, when riding fast, you assume that the person in front of you is as capable as you, however, recently, i have had a few close calls when this has turned out not to be so.
usually when overtaking on the outside mid corner.
it seems to scare people, but one you get to the straights it a game of full throttle drags!

what to do?

Surely no one else has your capabilities so theres no need for you to assume???

[AllanB]

For gods sake, hello, it's not serious, it's a piss take.
Estimating others' abilities, if you ride/drive based on your estimate of others' abilities you know damn well how that's going to end, and well Carver knows that.

He's obviously been riding with raj again and just wanting to wind him up to see how much bullshit raj will spout and as we can see, it worked.

Maybe maybe not .... I see riders doing what he described every second or third ride I'm on, so there are plenty of inconsiderate ones out there giving little thought to their actions.

[carver]

Interesting post ...........

Take your time mate. Oddly enough it's not a race!

If you find yourself in the twisties behind the slower rider back off a bit and do not crowd their rear like some anus-loving-arse-bandit - all this will do is rattle them, possibly to the point of making a serious mistake.

I hate it when someone is riding my rear tyre like that.

After a couple of corners they will know you are back there and you can get pass on the next safe and clear opportunity - chances are they'll tuck in to the left for you to make it safer (that's what I'd do).

Then if they catch up with you at the next stop your more likely to get the thumbs up and a 'good skills mate' other than a 'fuck your a ..........'

i usually pul;l over and let the dude past, then overtake him again in the next set of corners


Why you're not a mentor yet is beyond me :scratch:

yeah, maybe its because i have not applied yet


But Fundraising is ??....:clap:

only for the mormons


Just go flying up the inside of them, and if they flinch they are not as good as you assumed.

yeah, while rolling a stoppie


Totally agree here, overtaking on wide sweeping corners is quite alright by me so long as your sensible about it. I recently overtook a lesser experienced rider on a much smaller bike mid corner doing about twice the speed she was doing and was hoping my pipes would not unsettle anyone. Turns out it didn't as I did it as safely as possible. Of cause with the R1 I wait for the straights as Gixxer thous don't really stand much of a chance once I shift up to 2nd:headbang:

well, i had a good fun time on the way back from the cold kiwi, and it was safe as.


Everything doesn't always go to plan, and then you are hanging by a thread. Haven't you learned your lesson yet? Going hard on the open road in groups is asking for trouble. Y'know, blood, hair, and bone on the road.. some people silent and some people screaming.. Haven't you seen enough of that? Don't you remember what it looked and smelled like and how you felt about it? You felt sick didn't you? The worst kind of sick... :msn-wink:

Sounds to me like you need to get on the track more regularly, and blow it out of your system.

Steve

Im sure i will see more of it, but to be honest, i didnt feel sick.
some dude made a mistake and payed the price for it.
i just thought, "i better not make that mistake"


Getting to close to any other rider on the road is just simply a dumb idea unless you know them and their skills....stay riding with those you know and are comfortable with. Personally I ended up disliking group rides completely because they were usually filled up with young, dumb full of cum riders who seemed to think they were V. Rossi.... ended up riding with a small group of the same riders more and understood thier style.

yeah, it is usually group rides where accidents occur


Surely no one else has your capabilities so theres no need for you to assume???

hmmm, i know your taking the piss, but i like riding with people of similar or better skill levels

[Morcs]

Its difficult to determine someones ability until you get into some good corners and you find yourself having to go round the outside to prevent rear ending them - even at an appropriate following distance...

[NighthawkNZ]

I estimate that every cager, every other biker, every horse, and every rabbit everything withing 10 metres of the road side are out to kill me, so I stay away from them...

[Cr1MiNaL]

Getting to close to any other rider on the road is just simply a dumb idea

The same can be said for tow bars Marcus.... haha this one will never grow old... I wish Gary would get another bike.

[Motig]

I pay my taxes so I can use all the road on my side of the centre line that I want. Therefore if I see a nicer patch of road to the left or right I am within my rights to use it at any time so just remember, if you want to pass me as I dreamily speed along at 80k (please note before you start complaining of my speeding this is on the open road) you must use the road to the right of the centre line which is anybodies. You have been warned :spanking:

[scumdog]

Overtaking on corners is alright on the track but I reckon it's a risky move on the road. Who's to say the rider you're overtaking isn't going to change their lines midway to avoid a pothole or something. When I'm cornering I'm concentrating on my lines, not looking in my mirrors to see if some dickwad is deciding to overtake.


Who cares about the other rider - it's all about me-me-ME baby, oh and how cool I look doing it!:rolleyes:

[Biggles08]

The same can be said for tow bars Marcus.... haha this one will never grow old... I wish Gary would get another bike.

Hey...don't knock it till ya try it :msn-wink:

[prettybillie]

Like they say to us slowbees at the track - ride to your own ability not others

[george formby]

And if you're on a small bike, it's almost the only way to get past those big crusiers that blast off like mad in the straights then slow down to an awkward and offputting speed at the corners.

I try to ride at the speed limit, certainly not over 110kmh very often & it really rips my nightie when I get blasted on the straights then baulked through a nice set of bends. It's not big & it's not clever, only demonstrating the riders ability with their right wrist. I think overtaking on corners in this thread is a moot point. A genuine, clear road overtake using the other lane with big safety margins, fine. Squeezing past in the same lane? Murderous, shoot em!

[vifferman]

Better still, what about an updated version of this:

That is SO bad!
Did you see that? :eek5:
The video title says "off of". :Pokey:

[SPman]

There are times when passing in a corner is the only way to get past someone who is playing silly buggers, drag race king on the straights, when all you want to do is briskly tootle along the highway.....

[cs363]

That is SO bad!
Did you see that? :eek5:
The video title says "off of". :Pokey:

:lol: Well don't blame me I didn't make the video....perhaps the title is something Carver can fix when he does the much anticipated remake? :laugh:

[ManDownUnder]

Only trust the riding style of others you know well. If you don't know them, pass 'em on the straights or some other sensible time to do it.

If you are forced into the ditch while you pass on the outside mid corner passing an unknown taking a different line to you... it's your fault.

[dynamite]

Though I would give the point of view from a noob that will be the one being over taken, because it seams to be under represented. I would not want someone on the out side of me (or inside) in a corner, no matter how good they are. If I fuck up, hit a pot hole or just make a mistake of some kind I might be the on putting them in a ditch (I can deal with killing my self but when you do it to someone else its a little different). whether it is my fault or not I dont want that. I am quite happy to pull over for someone on straights though, which I know some (nearly everone) dont do. What I really hate is when you are sitting on 105 and some cunt in a SUV passes you at 130 or something, then holds you up in the corners and you cant pass. People just need to accepted that they are not the best in the world at everything and dont have the tool for every job, and be a little more considerate to other people, this dosnt mean slow down and piss everyone off, it means ride/drive to your abilities and if someone is trying to go faster in twisties or straights let them past. If someone passes me on a straight then it dosnt bother me if they then let me past in the corners as well, both of you get where you are going in the fastest way.

[george formby]

I see no difference in overtaking on a straight or a corner. If. 100mtrs of clear road before & after the manoeuvre, using the opposite lane, checking your clear to move before you pull out & when you pull back in. Indicate promptly. No probs. If I'm behind a hero taking scary lines, ignoring the white line, hanging off the bike like a gibbon trying to get their knee down or any other little fuckwit indicators then I will probably stop for a ciggie & not worry about getting past them.

[SlowHand]

see corner, pull out, lean, reach over and hit the kill switch of the passee, carry on?

[R1madness]

see corner, pull out, lean, reach over and hit the kill switch of the passee, carry on?

Hell yea. That was the worlds best game. fun fun but only if you do it to ya mates. Strangers dont seem to find it that funny for some reason lol.

[carver]

see corner, pull out, lean, reach over and hit the kill switch of the passee, carry on?

i did that to a stranger on a GSXR1000 once on the motorway

it was a fun chase

[Cr1MiNaL]

i did that to a stranger on a GSXR1000 once on the motorway

it was a fun chase

ur soo full of shit!

[carver]

ur soo full of shit!

nope, there is a post on here about it...
thought it was spb!

[Cr1MiNaL]

nope, there is a post on here about it...
thought it was spb!

SPB is full of shit. and is shit.

[carver]

SPB is full of shit. and is shit.

haha, its not that hard to do raj!

[Cr1MiNaL]

haha, its not that hard to do raj!

I know I have done it to myself without realising when I was a nub on my first 600.