ACC to no longer be available to crims who injure themselves committing crimes

[PrincessBandit]

Woo hoo. About bloody time! I have never understood how come criminals can claim ACC when they injure themselves in the course of their livelihood.

There are enough problems for people who genuinely injure themselves in legit law abiding ways without having to compete for the ACC dollar with these scum.

[jrandom]

Will this apply to motorcyclists who crash while breaking the speed limit?

Be careful what you wish for.

[Pussy]

Excellent! Not before time, too!

[AllanB]

Hey - do you know if you can still claim ACC for getting your dick stuck in the vacuum cleaner?

[Laxi]

jrandom has a very good point, the only way to enforce this would be if you were injured doing somthing you got a conviction for, can easily see them aplying that to trafic convictions too:crazy:

[p.dath]

Is there a URL for this news article so we can read more details?

[FROSTY]

Will this apply to motorcyclists who crash while breaking the speed limit?

Be careful what you wish for.
My thought EXACTLY.
Naturally any rider on a L licence will be excluded ACC cover if he's travelling faster than 70km/h.
An offroad rider hurts himself on the bombing range

[slofox]

I bet it will apply to anything they can pin on ya...speeding included.

[AllanB]

I think it means that if you were robbing my house, and a baseball bat happened to hit you around the head, quite by accident, then you would not be covered by ACC.

[paddy]

It's going to be interesting to see how the define crime. Does crime only mean indictable offences or could crime mean speeding or the like.

[paddy]

Hey - do you know if you can still claim ACC for getting your dick stuck in the vacuum cleaner?

Don't know. Let us know how that works out for you.

[325rocket]

Will this apply to motorcyclists who crash while breaking the speed limit?

Be careful what you wish for.

Good point.

[Laxi]

anyone else remember when we had a "free health service" until the waitng lists go so long that anyone with half a nounce got health insurance?(with no drop in taxation), not much of a stretch of the imagination to see that happening with acc is it?

[PrincessBandit]

The ramifications of "committing a crime" by speeding, reckless riding/driving etc. and causing injury could well be very interesting.

Where do you draw the line at what is "injury through committing a crime"? The example used on the news was that of p lab workers who blow themselves up in the course of their drug work. But who knows where it could go.

Hey, we might even end up with motorists being less inclined to break the law?

[AllanB]

A few years ago some cock escaped from prison up north, when he jumped off the wall he injured a leg (or both) - he was rewarded a lump ACC payment for his injuries.

And a while back some cock jumped into the lion enclosure at the zoo - he was rewarded ACC money for his injuries ..........

And then there was this guy who was vacuuming in the privacy of his own house and .........

[FROSTY]

I'd guess they would still patch them up but not pay for rehab

[mossy1200]

Guess boy racer doing runner going to have to stitch himself up after crash.

Stop speeding if you want to fall off guys.

[slofox]

And then there was this guy who was vacuuming in the privacy of his own house and .........

:killingme:killingme:killingme:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[mossy1200]

Hey - do you know if you can still claim ACC for getting your dick stuck in the vacuum cleaner?

How do you get it in the hose.Perhaps commercial vacuum have larger hoses.

[Katman]

Will this apply to motorcyclists who crash while breaking the speed limit?



Hmmm, now there's an idea.

:sherlock:

[p.dath]

Generally you are a criminal if found guilty under the crimes act. It can be quite some time between being charged and actually found guilty.

So will ACC stall payments for those charged? What if found guilty?

Or is this intended to only cover those currently serving a sentence of incarceration?

[sunhuntin]

And then there was this guy who was vacuuming in the privacy of his own house and .........

tripped over the cord and smacked his head on the table.

[PrincessBandit]

tripped over the cord and smacked his head on the table.

Of course that's how it happened! Vacuuming the privates wasn't mentioned was it.....?

Btw, I'd love to see any bloke who claimed to be too big to fit into a vacuum cleaner pipe! (even with a stiffy). Although I guess it's possible judging by some things I've accidentally seen when dodgy web sites have jumped up inexplicably on my computer.

[Oakie]

and smacked his head on the table. ah well, whatever turns him on I suppose...

[Oakie]

It's going to be interesting to see how the define crime. Does crime only mean indictable offences or could crime mean speeding or the like.

It sounds like it would be only those offences which carry jail time ... but I could be wrong. I think given that we pay an ACC levy to use the vehicle, it would be hard no withdraw coverage without specifically saying beforehand 'if you do this, then no cover". It's a bit like a contract I guess. Crashing the getaway car following a bank robbery might be different.

[NighthawkNZ]

Will this apply to motorcyclists who crash while breaking the speed limit?

Be careful what you wish for.

meh doesn't worry me if they do that either...

[Skyryder]

Will this apply to motorcyclists who crash while breaking the speed limit?

Be careful what you wish for.

I think it only applies to criminal acts. But then speed camera's used to have to be used inside a designated zone and look what happened to that regulation.


Skyryder

[Patrick]

I think it only applies to criminal acts. But then speed camera's used to have to be used inside a designated zone and look what happened to that regulation.


Skyryder

Ay?

Used to?

All speed camera sites still have to be "approved" and "designated..."

[rainman]

Don't know. Let us know how that works out for you.

Or, don't.


meh doesn't worry me if they do that either...

Yeah me neither, within reason. Not 20k over or anything like that, serious speeding only. I already don't like paying big premiums for all the wankers out there who can't manage their speed.

What's the deal with track days? I assume injuries there are covered by ACC?

[Robert Taylor]

ACC grew to an out of control juggernaut during the 9 painful years of the last ''Government.'' Now the Key Government has to pick up the pieces and frankly it needs to be more ruthless.
Why did the last Government / ACC engage in costly television advertising to effectively encourage people to use ACC? You dont see insurance companies so brazenly touting for people to make claims, so how dumb is ACC?
Why are there so many ACC managers on salaries that are telephone numbers?
Why did so many specialists and subcontractors to ACC constantly hike their charges when the gravy boat was so ( apparently ) full? GREED!!!!
Why does ACC cover all manner of sporting injuries when its for the most part a discretionary activity? This is one area where private cover should apply.
We have only 4 million people and a tax system that overburdens ordinary hard working citizens and business. ACC in its current guise is simply not sustainable.
My business partly earns a living from people engaged in sporting activities but that is no good reason for self interest, there is a wider issue at stake!

[Ixion]

Ay?

Used to?

All speed camera sites still have to be "approved" and "designated..."

Yes, but I have heard that there are only three approved and designated sites. North Island, South island, Stewart island. :devil2:

[NighthawkNZ]

Yeah me neither, within reason. Not 20k over or anything like that, serious speeding only. I already don't like paying big premiums for all the wankers out there who can't manage their speed.

Agreed... maybe up to 140 where you loose your license anyway... doesn't bother me either way


What's the deal with track days? I assume injuries there are covered by ACC?

Subs and entry fees, and licenses should cover that...

[p.dath]

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/politics/77904/govt-looking-stop-acc-criminals


Today Dr Smith said one of the areas that the Government was looking at cutting out was ACC lump sum and income compensation payments to those hurt when committing criminal acts.

The changes would not cut ACC paying for the treatment of people no matter how stupid or illegal their actions.

[p.dath]

Fair enough. If you earn $100k a week as a criminal, and get hurt - I don't want ACC subsidising that income!

[SS90]

The ramifications of "committing a crime" by speeding, reckless riding/driving etc. and causing injury could well be very interesting.

Where do you draw the line at what is "injury through committing a crime"? The example used on the news was that of p lab workers who blow themselves up in the course of their drug work. But who knows where it could go.

Hey, we might even end up with motorists being less inclined to break the law?

I am pretty sure that speeding is covered under the "summary offences act", that does make it a crime (obvioulsly), but as the very fact that it is covered under the act, it is not exactly seen as murder.

I would suspect that simply "exceeding the posted speed limit" would not negate your ACC cover....however "dangerous driving" may well do.

[SS90]

Fair enough. If you earn $100k a week as a criminal, and get hurt - I don't want ACC subsidising that income!

Yes, because if Millie Holmes cuts her finger on her "gold weighing scales" (sic) previously she had been able to go to ACC and get a pay out for injuring herself (on her P weighing scales)

[Patrick]

Yes, but I have heard that there are only three approved and designated sites. North Island, South island, Stewart island. :devil2:

:clap::2thumbsup:laugh::rofl::killingme

[MisterD]

What's the deal with track days? I assume injuries there are covered by ACC?

Yes, but the ACC bill would drop like a stone if you forced people doing stuff like track days, mountain climbing and especially playing rugby to take out personal insurance...

[P38]

Will this apply to motorcyclists who crash while breaking the speed limit?

Be careful what you wish for.

I believe so.

Yes. Be very careful what you wish for.

[marty]

I think that it would be simple to say 'no ACC if convicted for any purely Indictable offence, or triable summarily offence'. This would alleviate the quandary of the doctor/surgeon/EMS after the initial injury, but would preclude long-term rehab and benefit costs.

these offences: (won't open in Firefox I have discovered) http://www.legislation.co.nz/act/public/1957/0087/latest/DLM314307.html?search=ts_act_summary_resel&p=1

[Patrick]

... Sickness Benefits - a large amount of people on long-term dole were shifted to SB in the late 90's early 00's.

Labours way of reducing the dole queue.....

[NighthawkNZ]

Labours way of reducing the dole queue.....

yup... pitty it still all comes out of the same pocket though...

[Mully]

Will this apply to motorcyclists who crash while breaking the speed limit?

Be careful what you wish for.

Entirely academic. No-one on here breaks Her Majesty's speed limits.

[p.dath]

Yes, but the ACC bill would drop like a stone if you forced people doing stuff like track days, mountain climbing and especially playing rugby to take out personal insurance...

I'm pretty sure that as part of having a track day the organiser have to make a payment to ACC, and that gives you cover on the track.

I think there is even some kind of death cover!

[Usarka]

Guess boy racer doing runner going to have to stitch himself up after crash.

Stop speeding if you want to fall off guys.

You don't have to be speeding to be convicted.

[Skyryder]

Ay?

Used to?

All speed camera sites still have to be "approved" and "designated..."


Well I learn something everyday on here. Should have said about the signage thing.

Skyryder

[Ixion]

Here's a wee thought for some of you.

You're sitting on y' verandah, on a nice summer's evening, smoking a joint, as some do.

And a drunk driver careers round the corner, loses it, spins across your lawn and you end up a tetraplegic.

But. No ACC for you. Cos , after all, you were injured in the commission of a crime. Class C drug, possession of or whatever it is . Probably count if the cops found it in y' car after y' crashed , too.

Oh, and you can't sue anybody either. Welcome to the rest of your life on an invalid's benefit.

Gets dodgy , doesn't it when we start this sort of thing. Everybody's all dead keen on cracking down on criminals, until it's their own wee bit of criminality involved.

[rainman]

Fair enough. If you earn $100k a week as a criminal, and get hurt - I don't want ACC subsidising that income!

Farkinell, if you can earn $100k a week.... I wanna be a criminal! (Is that what they pay bankers these days... ?)


Yes, but the ACC bill would drop like a stone if you forced people doing stuff like track days, mountain climbing and especially playing rugby to take out personal insurance...

If we moved to that sort of model, where do you draw the line? You've listed relatively "high-risk" leisure activities which are relatively uncontroversial. I'm happy in principle for them that likes track days to pay for their risks directly, but then what about home DIY, or gardening? Before you know it we would have cover only for work activities, and have to pay for everything else. And work will weasel out of whatever they can to keep their premiums down, blame it on your outside of work activities. (A mate injured his shouder at work and his employer tried to blame the fact that his bike has ape-hangers... this shit happens all the time in the pursuit of profits).

So the ACC bill might drop, but I'd bet the overall cost to all of us would go up, and the service would go down - more jurisdictions means more finger-pointing, more stuff falling in the cracks. Don't buy into the bullshit that government is always bad - there's good evidence that ACC is effectively run. ACC's a Good Thing and we would be stupid to allow it to be fucked over by the arseholes currently in Wellington.


these offences: (won't open in Firefox I have discovered) http://www.legislation.co.nz/act/public/1957/0087/latest/DLM314307.html?search=ts_act_summary_resel&p=1

Works in FF3.5 for me. Some interesting offences there... bigamy, yeah I can see how that could get you injured. :girlfight:


Everybody's all dead keen on cracking down on criminals, until it's their own wee bit of criminality involved.

Oh stop being so sensible! It's far more fun to get all righteous about the evils of subsidising THEM. (Dole bludgers, crims, ... Insert beat-up of the week here...)

[McJim]

All I want to know is can I declare that I'm gonna commit crimes so I don't have to pay the fucken levies anymore?

I can then invest the momey in the health and disability insurance policy of MY choice and stick to their rules instead.

Might even get a no claims bonus for being safe.

[NighthawkNZ]

The main reason ACC won't go private is the government then can't touch that money to prop up the rest of the welfare funds...

I have no issue it being privitised nor do I have any issue if it is gooberment run, as long as if it run and done fairly, and at present it isn't... the no fault system is flawed and well a few of the other issues need sorting...

[gatch]

I'd love to see any bloke who claimed to be too big to fit into a vacuum cleaner pipe! (even with a stiffy).

The knob, or the whole thing ?

[JimO]

i got my rego reminder in the post today $398 for a deisel hilux, $303 is acc levy

[Ixion]

..
Btw, I'd love to see any bloke who claimed to be too big to fit into a vacuum cleaner pipe! (even with a stiffy). ...

Sigh. And throughout the land , broom cupboard doors are furtively opening. Followed a little later by embarrased whispers in A&E departments.

Don't you think the hospital system is overlaoded enough already without you putting out a challenge like that ?

(BTW - does anyone know if vacuum cleaners have standard pipe sizes? Or are some smaller than others? Just asking, like. IN case Mrs I wants a new vacuum cleaner. Or something)

[SARGE]

i have claimed ACC ONCE since i have been in NZ ... and that was just for the A&E .. havnt used Physio ever (wimps .. walk it off!) so i think im in for a no claims discount


Drink Driving should be a sue-able offense with no ACC cover ( youre shitfaced. you cause a crash and hurt someone..it should be ok to sue your ass back to the stone age, take your shit and leave you living in a box down by the river and living on a steady diet of Government Cheese)



breaking into my house while my family is there .. yea .. let ACC pay for the Funeral .. but in a chip-board coffin...


in the U.S.. all t he emergency departments a legally required to do is STABILIZE you ( stop bleeding, pump your stomach etc.. )

before they treat you .. you are handed a clipboard with an insurance policy number or Visa/ Mastercard number request... no lie..

[oldrider]

Of course that's how it happened! Vacuuming the privates wasn't mentioned was it.....?

Btw, I'd love to see any bloke who claimed to be too big to fit into a vacuum cleaner pipe! (even with a stiffy). Although I guess it's possible judging by some things I've accidentally seen when dodgy web sites have jumped up inexplicably on my computer.

Hey, be careful there, "curiosity" can be very bad for a pussy's health, life threatening even! :rolleyes:

Think of the trouble it (curiosity) could get a princess into! :spanking: (inexplicably or not) :lol:

[kunoichi]

IT'S ABOUT FREAKING TIME!! Geez, talk about encouraging crime by allowing them to claim ACC during the act! WTF!!??

[jrandom]

The point was made earlier in this thread that it will only be lump sums and income replacement that will no longer be available to criminals, not cover for medical treatment.

Does anyone have any references to confirm or deny that?


in the U.S.. all t he emergency departments a legally required to do is STABILIZE you ( stop bleeding, pump your stomach etc.. )

before they treat you .. you are handed a clipboard with an insurance policy number or Visa/ Mastercard number request... no lie..

Yeah. And y'know, Sarge, there are people who think that that's not the way a country's healthcare system should work.

(Including, it seems, the current President.)

Just sayin'.

[yungatart]

Yes, but the ACC bill would drop like a stone if you forced people doing stuff like track days, mountain climbing and especially playing rugby to take out personal insurance...

Rugby players pay ACC levies through their club subscriptions....as do soccer, hockey, netball players etc.

[NighthawkNZ]

Here's a wee thought for some of you.

You're sitting on y' verandah, on a nice summer's evening, smoking a joint, as some do.



I don't smoke pot... I Have no problem

[Pixie]

Fuck ACC

I could get full accident cover for way less than the $1500+ per year that I pay to ACC

And if you are too stupid to insure yourself,tough

[Robert Taylor]

Fuck ACC

I could get full accident cover for way less than the $1500+ per year that I pay to ACC

And if you are too stupid to insure yourself,tough

EXACTLY, the maths is obvious

[MSTRS]

...the ACC bill would drop like a stone if you forced people playing rugby to take out personal insurance...

That'd work, but just think what the premiums would be.

[FROSTY]

I'm pretty sure that as part of having a track day the organiser have to make a payment to ACC, and that gives you cover on the track.

I think there is even some kind of death cover!
Nope its public liability insurance--a totally different thing again
That said the STAFF at a track day if the trackday is paid employment for them should have acc cover provided by the trackday company.

[Clockwork]

The point was made earlier in this thread that it will only be lump sums and income replacement that will no longer be available to criminals, not cover for medical treatment.

Does anyone have any references to confirm or deny that.

I thought they stopped the lumpsum payments some time ago (if they still exist presumabley they would only apply to serious disabilities. I also understand that ACC payments are not made while serving prison time anyway so while this change is attention grabbing it's hard to see how it will make too much difference to their bottom line.

Finaly, part of ACC's role is to "rehabiltate" claimants so that they can return to work and become a contributing member of society again. Assuming most of the claimants who will be affected by these changes are not full time criminals, wont this stance be somewhat counter productive?

[Ixion]

Fuck ACC

I could get full accident cover for way less than the $1500+ per year that I pay to ACC

And if you are too stupid to insure yourself,tough

Maybe so. But ONLY because ACC exists to cover off your liability to third parties. If you really want to go down that path, it's not just accident cover for you. it's third party cover for anyone you injure, also. Plus cover for legal expenses (go look what that can run to in the States).

Medical treatment isn't cheap. One scan , $1000+. Hospital bed, $800 pd. That's just an ordinary ward, not intensive care. Remember, you're just just insuring thta cost for you. You have to cover other people too.

And we haven't even MENTIONED income replacement, or lump sum compensation. Still reckon you could get all that (no reliance on the State) for $1500. I don't think so.

[Ixion]

I thought they stopped the lumpsum payments some time ago (if they still exist presumabley they would only apply to serious disabilities. I also understand that ACC payments are not made while serving prison time anyway so while this change is attention grabbing it's hard to see how it will make too much difference to their bottom line.

..

Lump sum payments existed under the 1972 Act, were dropped in the 1996 (?) Act , then reinstated a couple of years ago. They are only for permanent disability. There is a 'cut off' trivial permanent injuries don't count.

The present Act (and all it's predecessors) already has a clause that allows ACC to refuse cover to someone injured committing a crime, if it would be "repugnant to justice" . Presumably this proposed change will be to extend that to cases where refusing cover would not be repugnant.

[NighthawkNZ]

Crackdown on ACC to ward off big levy hikes

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/6215386/crackdown-on-acc-to-ward-off-big-levy-hikes/
ACC Minister Nick Smith wants to halve proposed levy increases by tightening and limiting entitlements.
ACC recommended increases in the work account levy from $1.31 to $1.89 per $100; in the earners account from $1.51 to $2.48 per $100. Also it said the motor vehicle account levy should go up to $417.28 from $287.
Dr Smith said the proposed increases were too steep and the Government was introducing legislation to halve them.
Key changes included:
* reversing 2008 income compensation extensions covering casuals, part-timers, non-earners and abatements for holiday pay;
* reversing vocational rehabilitation changes;
* introducing a 6 percent hearing loss threshold;
* reversing entitlements for wilfully self-inflicted injury and suicide;
* further restricting entitlements for criminals;
* allowing incentives for employers and vehicles;
* requiring more open reporting of ACC liabilities;
* And the previously announced decision to extend the date ACC had to be fully funded by from 2014 to 2019.
"These changes are necessary because ACC's claim costs have risen by 57 percent and its unfunded liabilities have grown from $4 billion to $13b in just four years," Dr Smith said.



$417 is going would hurt quite a few owners




ACC levies to rise average of $315 a year
Changes to ACC are likely to cost the family on the average income of $45,000 an extra $315 a year.

ACC has today released its proposals, which include increases to levies such as motor-vehicle registration.

Motorists will have to pay around $30 a year more, from $287 to $317, though increases to registration and a rise at the pump.

Levies for the self employed will increase by 16 cents, to $1.47 per $100 earned. Levy rates for no work claims will go up by 67 cents, which is roughly a 45 percent increase.

However Minister Nick Smith says the proposed increases are too high, so he will see that the rise is at least halved.

However that will see entitlements cut in some areas. Those cuts include stopping payments in cases of self harm or suicide, and where criminal behaviour is involved

Even that is going to sting a lont of incomes

[Ixion]

the steepest levy hikes are for drivers of large motorcycles.
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for example: 126-600cc: Increases from $252.69 to $511.43 (102 per cent increase).
601 plus cc: Increases from $252.69 to $745.77.
Mopeds - which currently pay just $59 in acc charges - will instead be classed with small motorcycles of 125 cc or less and pay $257.58 in license fees and petrol levies.
Dr smith said motorcyclists were 16 times more likely than car drivers to be involved in accidents yet car owners were currently subsidising their acc bills by $70 each.

. .

[sAsLEX]

these offences: (won't open in Firefox I have discovered) http://www.legislation.co.nz/act/public/1957/0087/latest/DLM314307.html?search=ts_act_summary_resel&p=1
Works fine in mine, update?


Rugby players pay ACC levies through their club subscriptions....as do soccer, hockey, netball players etc.

Do horse riders? Casual rugby on the beach? Swimmers?

[Ixion]

Rugby players pay ACC levies through their club subscriptions....as do soccer, hockey, netball players etc.

No. they don't . And if they did ACC would have to refund it. This urban myth keeps surfacing. It si simply wrong.

The only ACC componenet of any AMATUER sport club , is the ACC levy that the club may pay as an employer.

I challenge anyone to produce an ACC receipt or levy statement showing a levy to members.

[Thunder 8]

Woo hoo. About bloody time! I have never understood how come criminals can claim ACC when they injure themselves in the course of their livelihood.

There are enough problems for people who genuinely injure themselves in legit law abiding ways without having to compete for the ACC dollar with these scum.

Dam right.:Oi:

[Thunder 8]

Hey - do you know if you can still claim ACC for getting your dick stuck in the vacuum cleaner?
Bloody hell thats an image i didnt need in my head:eek5:

[Patrick]

Here's a wee thought for some of you.

You're sitting on y' verandah, on a nice summer's evening, smoking a joint, as some do.

And a drunk driver careers round the corner, loses it, spins across your lawn and you end up a tetraplegic.

But. No ACC for you. Cos , after all, you were injured in the commission of a crime. Class C drug, possession of or whatever it is . Probably count if the cops found it in y' car after y' crashed , too.

Oh, and you can't sue anybody either. Welcome to the rest of your life on an invalid's benefit.

Gets dodgy , doesn't it when we start this sort of thing. Everybody's all dead keen on cracking down on criminals, until it's their own wee bit of criminality involved.

See? Drugs is bad.....:clap:

[SARGE]

the point was made earlier in this thread that it will only be lump sums and income replacement that will no longer be available to criminals, not cover for medical treatment.

Does anyone have any references to confirm or deny that?



Yeah. And y'know, sarge, there are people who think that that's not the way a country's healthcare system should work.

(including, it seems, the current president.)

just sayin'.



i agree ... But the point i was making is we never learned to run to the doctor for every little shaving cut ..


Just sayin..

[jrandom]

It's a $200 fine for having an out-of-date registration, is it not?

As the Herald article pointed out, if annual rego costs for a motorcycle go over $800, it becomes an obvious move to simply put your bike's registration on hold.

It's a pretty good bet that even riding daily, one would be ticketed for that less often than every three months.

Edit: I see this point has been well addressed in the main thread on the topic.