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lanci
14th October 2009, 12:59
For me it's up from $250 odd to $750 odd... Fuck me that's quite a rise!

mynameis
14th October 2009, 13:01
The steepest levy hikes are for drivers of large motorcycles. All motorcycles currently pay $252.69 in levies. Under the changes, while bikes under 125CC face only an increase of a few dollars, larger motorcycles will pay far heftier amounts.

For example: 126-600cc: increases from $252.69 to $511.43 (102 per cent increase). 601 plus cc: increases from $252.69 to $745.77. Mopeds - which currently pay just $59 in ACC charges - will instead be classed with small motorcycles of 125 CC or less and pay $257.58 in license fees and petrol levies.

Dr Smith said motorcyclists were 16 times more likely than car drivers to be involved in accidents yet car owners were currently subsidising their ACC bills by $70 each.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10603177

I guess he has a point aye. There'll be few less bikes on the roads, sucks for those who can't afford it.

Mikkel
14th October 2009, 13:06
I wonder if they have considered the relative potentials for collateral damage for cars and motorcycles respectively in their calculations.

That price hike is just grotesque.

spookytooth
14th October 2009, 13:07
well fucking ass :mad:

jim.cox
14th October 2009, 13:10
601 plus cc: increases from $252.69 to $745.77


Ouch - Fuck thats a big increase.

I really dont think I can justify keeping the bike registered

It will be cheaper to get two 'not registered' tickets per year

Guys, we really do need to fight this - especially as most bike accidents are caused by cages in the first place...

mynameis
14th October 2009, 13:11
I wonder if they have considered the relative potentials for collateral damage for cars and motorcycles respectively in their calculations.

That price hike is just grotesque.

It's all relative, the gubmint has spoken it's going up. The prciks before National should never allowed ACC to go into $4 bill def.

Someone has to pay for it now, guess who that will be :p

Eddieb
14th October 2009, 13:11
more details:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10603177

mynameis
14th October 2009, 13:12
Ouch - Fuck thats a big increase.

I really dont think I can justify keeping the bike registered

It will be cheaper to get two 'not registered' tickets per year

Guys, we really do need to fight this - especially as most bike accidents are caused by cages in the first place...

Your mind is already running into alternatives eh. In that case you'd be saying another $700 per year on insurance.

But if you have a lil wee wee on the road you're scrooooed.

PirateJafa
14th October 2009, 13:14
Right, if nobody else will, I'll organise a fucking Hikoi down to Parliament against this bullshit.

Fuck upcoming exams, this is pricing us off the road, and in doing so is impinging upon my rights. I'm not going to fucking stand for it.

Edit: The cunts are meant to be encouraging the use of more environmentally friendly transport for fuck's sake.

Ixion
14th October 2009, 13:15
So, what are y'all going to do about it.

Bleat on here, and spread 'em and take it?

Or get out and protest?

lanci
14th October 2009, 13:15
Read more of the article, we're currently being subsidised $70 of ACC costs by other road users fair enough but what of the fuel tax to maintain roads, Surely we are subsidising the larger more road damaging vehicles there? (even with the lesser amount of fuel purchased we encounter the same tax rate-%)

If it's about cost allocation then surely cyclists and off-roaders (sorry dirt bikers) are some how included?

Slyer
14th October 2009, 13:15
This is completely unbelievable!
Three FUCKING TIMES the cost.
For EACH bike.

I just checked to make sure it wasn't April fools day...

The government officially hates motorcyclists.

sleeqe2000
14th October 2009, 13:16
That is an absolute disgrace - I don't consider my 650cc SV a 'big bike'

But going up to over $700 per year - no way. Something has to be done here !

klyong82
14th October 2009, 13:17
This is ridiculous!! $745.77.....Dr Smith!!

mynameis
14th October 2009, 13:17
Right, if nobody else will, I'll organise a fucking Hikoi down to Parliament against this bullshit.

Fuck upcoming exams, this is pricing us off the road, and in doing so is impinging upon my rights. I'm not going to fucking stand for it.

Edit: The cunts are meant to be encouraging the use of more environmentally friendly transport for fuck's sake.

Time to upgrade to a 50cc :scooter:


This is completely unbelievable!
Three FUCKING TIMES the cost.
For EACH bike.

I just checked to make sure it wasn't April fools day...

Twice the cost Iron Stien.

Slyer
14th October 2009, 13:19
Twice the cost Iron Stien.
"601 plus cc: increases from $252.69 to $745.77."
Learn to read. Most bikes will be over 600cc
Pretty much every cruiser fits over that.

SpankMe
14th October 2009, 13:20
Fuck me. John Judge & Nick Smith, you fucking brainless cocks!

So whats the fine for riding without a reg? Must be cheaper.

James Deuce
14th October 2009, 13:21
What did I say? Your public submissions did what exactly?

EJK
14th October 2009, 13:21
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mynameis
14th October 2009, 13:22
"601 plus cc: increases from $252.69 to $745.77."
Learn to read. Most bikes will be over 600cc

My bad must be getting to my head. Well that's an increase of 195%, ouch :spanking:

And 102% for da little bikes.

James Deuce
14th October 2009, 13:22
Guys, we really do need to fight this - especially as most bike accidents are caused by cages in the first place...

No they're not. 50% are people falling off on corners. By themselves.

Oakie
14th October 2009, 13:23
Because of what do for a living, I got the details on all the proposals at work today. Attached is the motor vehicle proposal and the details are on page three. Happy reading. I haven't taken it all in yet but I reckon the first graduated step should be 0 - 250cc, not 0 - 125. That way you'd take in all the learners in one category.

Before you slash your wrists though (oh, that won't be covered now either) check out the figures at the bottom of page three also. Interesting to note what our actual expense could be levied at if it wasn't for cross-funding.

Jizah
14th October 2009, 13:23
Fuck me. John Judge & Nick Smith, you fucking brainless cocks!

So whats the fine for riding without a reg? Must be cheaper.

And what about reg on hold? Pretty sure they'll put the fine up for both.

mynameis
14th October 2009, 13:23
What did I say? Your public submissions did what exactly?

That's to keep people happy and make them feel involved.

Well not in all cases :whistle:

p.dath
14th October 2009, 13:23
Read more of the article, we're currently being subsidised $70 of ACC costs by other road users fair enough but what of the fuel tax to maintain roads, Surely we are subsidising the larger more road damaging vehicles there? (even with the lesser amount of fuel purchased we encounter the same tax rate-%)

If it's about cost allocation then surely cyclists and off-roaders (sorry dirt bikers) are some how included?

Ahh, but with fuel tax you pay based on the amount of fuel you use. Most motorcycles use a lot less fuel than cars, and trucks have a separate tax.

And off-roaders still use petrol.

ckai
14th October 2009, 13:25
Cars a subsidising because the fuckers hit us!!!!

Fuck that!!! That's insane shit! Remember that's only the ACC part of the rego. Add the other parts and we're slidding towards $1,000 JUST for rego!!!

Fucken nuts.

I'm keen for a user pays system and insurance paying for injuries. If you don't crash why should you pay more? It's lumping everyone together. Yes it's the easiest way to do things. But $500 hike to make things easier is gonna kill a lot of people from heart attacks!!

James Deuce
14th October 2009, 13:25
Ixion - how about the immediate publication of a notice supporting motorcyclists not paying their rego.

That's the only protest left fellas and fellesses.

ukusa
14th October 2009, 13:26
those greedy bastards, if I average 3000k/year, that's 25 cents per km! Twice that if I have 2 big bikes (is 601cc big??)

Slyer
14th October 2009, 13:27
People who don't pay their rego and crash still get paid out under ACC. So win-win.

spookytooth
14th October 2009, 13:27
I tried for years to get selfemplyed ppl in tauranga to not pay acc as a protest.All i ever got was ohhh you cant do that

kwaka_crasher
14th October 2009, 13:27
So whats the fine for riding without a reg? Must be cheaper.

$200.


So, what are y'all going to do about it.

Bleat on here, and spread 'em and take it?

Or get out and protest?

Option B. We did it in '93.

Mikkel
14th October 2009, 13:27
Read more of the article, we're currently being subsidised $70 of ACC costs by other road users fair enough but what of the fuel tax to maintain roads, Surely we are subsidising the larger more road damaging vehicles there? (even with the lesser amount of fuel purchased we encounter the same tax rate-%)

Scrape your footpegs more to recoup your loss <_<

A $70 subsidy and a $500 increase - there's quite a difference, no?
Especially considering the $32 increase for cars - even if we add in those $70 that they subsidise motorcycles it's still at long way.

Hell, why not reduce the levy for bigger bikes - make turboed bikes above 1000 ccm even cheaper. After all dead people are the cheapest patients to handle.

It's great to see that there's being put so much thought into this. :no:

jim.cox
14th October 2009, 13:28
Your mind is already running into alternatives eh. In that case you'd be saying another $700 per year on insurance.

But if you have a lil wee wee on the road you're scrooooed.

I only have Third Party anyway - I cant afford anything more....

I'll keep her warranted, and just put the rego on hold

James Deuce
14th October 2009, 13:29
Most motorcycles use a lot less fuel than cars.

No they don't. Motorcycle fuel economy has been getting worse and worse over the last 10 years. I get between 15km/l and 18km/l from the Zed.

rainman
14th October 2009, 13:30
Right, if nobody else will, I'll organise a fucking Hikoi down to Parliament against this bullshit.
...
Edit: The cunts are meant to be encouraging the use of more environmentally friendly transport for fuck's sake.

Count me in.

And, the Nats aren't doing too well on the environmental front, last I looked, so don't count on that being a motivator.

At $750 plus the rest I will have to sell my bike, unless this recession takes a very sharp turn upwards (and I'm not banking on that).

Mikkel
14th October 2009, 13:31
Well, off to get an RS125 and kit it out with a turbo I suppose.

I'm going to check whether my insurance will cover if my rego isn't current, but the WOF is up to date.

ckai
14th October 2009, 13:31
Fuck me. John Judge & Nick Smith, you fucking brainless cocks!

So whats the fine for riding without a reg? Must be cheaper.

Me thinks this may be the way also.

Now I've cooled down a bit...nope still fucken a-fucken-noyed, all us big bike riders should lobby the government! I can handle doubling the levy, say $500 but this is nuts. Not when we've got 2 600cc + in the family. And here's me thinking I'd get a Stripple as well!!!

The "old-boys" club is gonna spew.

ManDownUnder
14th October 2009, 13:31
When does it take effect - or has it already?

James Deuce
14th October 2009, 13:32
At $750 plus the rest I will have to sell my bike, unless this recession takes a very sharp turn upwards (and I'm not banking on that).

Your bike isn't worth anything.

It just took a huge dive in resale.

I can't afford to keep my bike and I can't afford to sell it.

imdying
14th October 2009, 13:33
What's the ACC portion of the rego to be a horse rider each year? Or a rugby player? Skier? Cyclist? Diver? Caver?

BecsBerr
14th October 2009, 13:33
you gotta remember though too, that current $250 odd they are quoting is just the acc levy part of your licensing fee...

A bike over 61cc is currently $300 odd per year to register, so if you've got a 1000cc bike, you're not just going up to $750 per year, your gonna be looking at an extra $100 or so ontop of that for the other costs included in your licensing fee!!!!

So be budgeting a cool $850-900 a year to license your bikes!! How is the average NZ'der supposed to afford that!

And yes of course accidents involving bikes cost ACC more. Duh, bikes don't have a metal box to protect the rider... hence worse injuries. Which from my experience with friends is usually the person in the metal box on wheels' fault for not blimmin looking!!!

I thought the stats were that pedistrians and cyclists actually use the most ACC per year than any other road user.....

Reckless
14th October 2009, 13:33
Far out man thats $1500 per year for my old classic I ride every now and then and a road bike! $28-00 bucks a week! That's just bloody ridiculous!!!

James Deuce
14th October 2009, 13:34
What's the ACC portion of the rego to be a horse rider each year? Or a rugby player? Skier? Cyclist? Diver? Caver?

Doesn't matter. Motorcyclists have just been served. We've been singled out for decades and no effective political opposition was ever organised. This is the price.

mynameis
14th October 2009, 13:35
What's the ACC portion of the rego to be a horse rider each year? Or a rugby player? Skier? Cyclist? Diver? Caver?

Not a shit load more than me sitting at my desk in a office for 8 hours. Well not 200% more anyway.

As far as I know my telephone and computer aren't gonna come alive and smack me. :lol:

James Deuce
14th October 2009, 13:35
Which from my experience with friends is usually the person in the metal box on wheels' fault for not blimmin looking!!!



It isn't. At least not according to the stats the Government uses.

mynameis
14th October 2009, 13:36
you gotta remember though too, that current $250 odd they are quoting is just the acc levy part of your licensing fee...

A bike over 61cc is currently $300 odd per year to register, so if you've got a 1000cc bike, you're not just going up to $750 per year, your gonna be looking at an extra $100 or so ontop of that for the other costs included in your licensing fee!!!!

So be budgeting a cool $850-900 a year to license your bikes!! How is the average NZ'der supposed to afford that!

And yes of course accidents involving bikes cost ACC more. Duh, bikes don't have a metal box to protect the rider... hence worse injuries. Which from my experience with friends is usually the person in the metal box on wheels' fault for not blimmin looking!!!

I thought the stats were that pedistrians and cyclists actually use the most ACC per year than any other road user.....

Unsure of that at this stage but good point, could be the case.

Blackshear
14th October 2009, 13:36
Well, I'll probably sell my bike and buy a full-carbon cycle. I can't be seen putting around with my over-enlarged colon flapping about in the breeze, that's just embarassing.

Krayy
14th October 2009, 13:37
Oh FFS, this is just ridiculous. Considering that most jappa 6-hundy sprot bikes are faster than the Buell, I cannot see how they've worked the numbers out without a power/weight calculation in the mix.

And pricing commuters off the roads? I wonder if NZ Bus has done a deal with ACC in order to break the drivers strike :dodge:

Is this going to be open for submissions though, or is it a done deal with no outside conferring?

vifferman
14th October 2009, 13:37
fellas and fellesses.
Huh? Is that correct. Sounds dodgy to me.
How about, "fellaters and fellatees" for dodginess, huh? Pretty dodgy, woontchasay?


As for the ACC hike, meh. Or if you like (or even if you don't): waah. [shrugs]
Snot like it's any real surprise. Gotta pay to keep the bureaucracy runnning somehow.

My expensive communter toy just got more expensive (more exclusive too?) Those of you who were paying attention (uh... so that'll be none of you. Teriffic...) will recall I worked out my toy cost me about $20k over the last five years, or around $1 per killermeter. More fun than the bus, at a slightly dearer fare...

James Deuce
14th October 2009, 13:37
Is this going to be open for submissions though, or is it a done deal with no outside conferring?
Submissions closed October 2nd.

Mikkel
14th October 2009, 13:37
And yes of course accidents involving bikes cost ACC more. Duh, bikes don't have a metal box to protect the rider... hence worse injuries. Which from my experience with friends is usually the person in the metal box on wheels' fault for not blimmin looking!!!

Actually, you aren't quite right there. That nice metal box will keep you alive, not from getting hurt altogether. Intensive care patients and patients with chronic disabilities are the ones that cost a lot. A motorcyclist hugging a tree at 100+ km/h isn't really that expensive.

Also, you crashing your motorcycle isn't very likely to cause injury to more than one or maybe two people. Of course there are the odd ones out - but there you go.

mynameis
14th October 2009, 13:38
When does it take effect - or has it already?

Progessively over the next couple of years, if I am not wrong.

Mikkel
14th October 2009, 13:38
Huh? Is that correct. Sounds dodgy to me.
How about, "fellaters and fellatees" for dodginess, huh? Pretty dodgy, woontchasay?


As for the ACC hike, meh. Or if you like (or even if you don't): waah. [shrugs]
Snot like it's any real surprise. Gotta pay to keep the bureaucracy runnning somehow.

I'll have a fellachino with extra fluff thanks ;)

Ixion
14th October 2009, 13:39
Submissions closed October 2nd.

No , that was the Road Strategy 2020. Part of the Ministry of Transport.

This is ACC, different ministry. But I'm not sure if they need to allow submissions, it's like tax increases you don't get a say.

imdying
14th October 2009, 13:39
Well, the only way forward is clear.

Here starts the KB campaign to kill Mr Smiths children.

He can take something from you, but we'll take something from him.

lanci
14th October 2009, 13:40
Ahh, but with fuel tax you pay based on the amount of fuel you use. Most motorcycles use a lot less fuel than cars, and trucks have a separate tax.

And off-roaders still use petrol.

My trumpy is no better on fuel than a 2 litre car. So I am travelling the same per Kms/ltr as a heavier more road affecting car yet pay the same rate of tax, not sure of your logic mate, seems like a subsidy to me???

MidnightMike
14th October 2009, 13:41
Right, if nobody else will, I'll organise a fucking Hikoi down to Parliament against this bullshit. for it.

I'm keen, insurance is already kicking me in the balls with $1200 a year for my SV!


This is completely unbelievable!
Three FUCKING TIMES the cost.
For EACH bike.

I just checked to make sure it wasn't April fools day...

The government officially hates motorcyclists.

They have done for years, now its just blatant what they're doing... Suck them dry untill they can't afford them, have to sell them, to make a nice little motorcycle-less NZ.


That is an absolute disgrace - I don't consider my 650cc SV a 'big bike'

But going up to over $700 per year - no way. Something has to be done here !

Neither do I!

And none of this petition crap either!


Fuck me. John Judge & Nick Smith, you fucking brainless cocks!

So whats the fine for riding without a reg? Must be cheaper.

Looking like a good option for many now...

mynameis
14th October 2009, 13:43
Come ooooon you all voted National in. Someone has to pay the bills and usually the taxpayers.

cowpatz
14th October 2009, 13:43
Outrageous. Typical blinkered thinking. Out of those "16 times more likely" accidents how many are due to faults by cars. Perhaps organising mass SLOW rides down main arterial routes within the country. It could be tied in with visits to MP offices etc.
Once again why is recreational sport not also levied...big users of ACC.
How did that Nats ever think their tax cuts where going to work? They are either incompetent or outright liars or both.

ckai
14th October 2009, 13:44
Submissions closed October 2nd.

Did they make it a secret squirrel thing that you had to decipher? How the hell did that slip under the radar? I can't believe a lot of noise wasn't made about it before then.

I know bikes are a lifestyle choice but wouldn't this have a huge impact on the industry or do I just have blinkers on?

Krayy
14th October 2009, 13:44
Submissions closed October 2nd.

Not according to this site: http://www.acc.co.nz/for-business/levy-consultation/consultation-process/levy-consultation-2010-2011/index.htm

Submit away boys & girls!!

ukusa
14th October 2009, 13:44
Me thinks this may be the way also.

Now I've cooled down a bit...nope still fucken a-fucken-noyed, all us big bike riders should lobby the government! I can handle doubling the levy, say $500 but this is nuts. Not when we've got 2 600cc + in the family. And here's me thinking I'd get a Stripple as well!!!

The "old-boys" club is gonna spew.

2 cars, 2 big bikes, 4 x insurance should be close to 5 grand a year. Now, running costs, petrol, tyres, oil, services.... any change from 10K ???

I fear toys will be a domain for the very rich!

Thani-B
14th October 2009, 13:44
Right, if nobody else will, I'll organise a fucking Hikoi down to Parliament against this bullshit.


Im in.
Feel sorry for all the poor buggers that own multiple bikes.
This fucken sucks.

vtec
14th October 2009, 13:45
The way I see it...

You've got several options.
1. Get a bicycle, and get in shape, not as hard as people think.
2. Put rego on hold and just evade police, timely considering the police chase criterium is going to be softened.
3. Try to mobilise others to get policies changed.
4. Try to get motorcycle accidents excluded from ACC payouts and thus 0 rego charge, (not a bad option in my opinion).
5. Fix ACC, too many bludgers on sickness benefit and ACC. The real unemployment rates are massive when you take into account the people working the system for a living.

kiwifruit
14th October 2009, 13:45
Cycling FTW! :dodge: :dodge:

James Deuce
14th October 2009, 13:45
Did they make it a secret squirrel thing that you had to decipher? How the hell did that slip under the radar? I can't believe a lot of noise wasn't made about it before then.

I know bikes are a lifestyle choice but wouldn't this have a huge impact on the industry or do I just have blinkers on?

It's alright, I was wrong, but I don't think the flipside is any better. As Ixion pointed out I don't believe we'll get the opportunity for rebuttal.

Reckless
14th October 2009, 13:45
I'm flipping pissed!!
They let the system get outa control. 200 Million for Physio alone! Thats a joke in the old days when physio wasn't a "catch cry" you went to hospital, got plastered up, got it removed and went back to work. You didn't go to Physio for the next 10 years. Its a freckin joke, Physio and the Acupuncture (that they practiced) didn't do anything for my rooted neck!
They let the ACC get bloated, they let the hangers on milk them dry, now we pay! Fuckers!

James Deuce
14th October 2009, 13:47
Cycling FTW! :dodge: :dodge:

If they don't stop riding on SH2 in the Hutt like it's the Tour de France, I will PERSONALLY make sure that cyclists cost more than motorcyclists. They have a cycle lane they don't use. I think I will start by mining the service lanes.

Ixion
14th October 2009, 13:47
Update on submission question.

Yes, you will be able to make submissions. Deadline is 10 November . At present these are proposals.

Be aware though that historically, ACC have totally ignored all submissions.

Only time they ever blinked was the great revolt in '93 .

But bikers were tougher and harder in '93.

I don't think the modern breed has it in them for concerted protest action.

You'll all bleat and pay up, or sell the bike and tell everyone you never liked those dangerous things anyway.

BRONZ (Auckland) will discuss an action plan next Wednesday evening . 7:30 pm. Danish House 6, Rockridge Rd Penrose.

See you there. Or not.

This from the ACC



Motorcycle levies

Within the motor vehicle levy changes (summarised in the above table) ACC is proposing major changes to motorcycle levies to take into account the fact that for several years, car drivers have been subsidising motorcycle and moped riders.
The new levies reflect the fact that motorcycle riders are 16 times more likely to be involved in a road crash than any other road users and are far more likely to be seriously injured. In 2008/09 ACC paid more than $62 million for motorcycle riders but collected only $12.3 million in levies from them.
Even with the significant proposed increases in the rates payable by motorcycle and moped drivers to redress this imbalance, car drivers will still continue to subsidise motorcycle and moped drivers by $77 a year for the 2010/2011 year.
‘The proposed legislative change to extend the full funding date to 2019 would reduce the effect of residual claims on motor vehicle levies by $100,’ said Mr Judge. ‘However, whether or not this translates into an equivalent reduction in those levies will depend on how best to fund the account fully over the next 10 years. This is something the Board must determine.’
The proposals also change the categories for mopeds and motorcycles, by grouping mopeds and motorcycles together and introducing three sub-classes for 0-125 cc, 126-600 cc and 601+ cc cycles.

lanci
14th October 2009, 13:47
My trumpy is no better on fuel than a 2 litre car. So I am travelling the same per Kms/ltr as a heavier more road affecting car yet pay the same rate of tax, not sure of your logic mate, seems like a subsidy to me???

So, to offset this ACC increase due to the subsidy that car drivers are affording us, maybe we look at a motorcycle fuel price far cheaper than that of cars?

Headbanger
14th October 2009, 13:48
Count me in for any protest (riots ftw), and thats the last time I rego my bike.

Not paying that shit, They can get fucked.

kiwifruit
14th October 2009, 13:49
If they don't stop riding on SH2 in the Hutt like it's the Tour de France, I will PERSONALLY make sure that cyclists cost more than motorcyclists. They have a cycle lane they don't use. I think I will start by mining the service lanes.

:grouphug:

ukusa
14th October 2009, 13:51
will this put an end to cheap older bikes? If it's got fresh rego, the price will be through the roof!

ukusa
14th October 2009, 13:53
Count me in for any protest (riots ftw), and thats the last time I rego my bike.

Not paying that shit, They can get fucked.

Protest rides, I say we organise several around the country, hundreds of bikes. ALL REMOVE OUR PLATES and converge on the town/city centres.:mad:

mynameis
14th October 2009, 13:53
Update on submission question.

Yes, you will be able to make submissions. Deadline is 10 November . At present these are proposals.

Be aware though that historically, ACC have totally ignored all submissions.

Only time they ever blinked was the great revolt in '93 .

But bikers were tougher and harder in '93.

I don't think the modern breed has it in them for concerted protest action.

You'll all bleat and pay up, or sell the bike and tell everyone you never liked those dangerous things anyway.

BRONZ (Auckland) will discuss an action plan next Wednesday evening . 7:30 pm. Danish House 6, Rockridge Rd Penrose.

See you there. Or not.

This from the ACC

My God you old hypocrit :lol:

Don't let the young fella smack your head.

Thani-B
14th October 2009, 13:54
Get rid of ACC covering motorcyclists. Make medical insurance compulsory for riders. To what level of cover is your own choice.

mynameis
14th October 2009, 13:54
Who's good at photoshop and got a good colour printer :whistle: BD?

ready4whatever
14th October 2009, 13:55
Jesus Christ man. fuck i hate the government. if they sorted this shit out a few years earlier they wouldnt fuck up and have to fix it now at our expense. i simply cant afford to do this shit, legally. Turns out i have a helmet for sale now. its XL black FFM, pretty much new anyone keen.

FTG. Ya'll know those pricks just want a pay rise. During these tough times why dont they take the fall for once and not all of us

Go back to the BC times, no laws, everybodies equal. I'd straight beat them dead with a piece of wood.

Reckless
14th October 2009, 13:55
Not paying that shit, They can get fucked.

Me to mate! best case scenario for me is to hold the classic rego and use the plate off the road bike on it!

With that in mind wonder how much money they will loss because we all start to do that instead of the lawful way??

James Deuce
14th October 2009, 13:55
:grouphug:

No. In lieu of ACC levy increases, I'd like to see pushbikes off the road. That would more than make up the difference that motorcyclists are being demanded of.

scracha
14th October 2009, 13:56
continue to subsidise motor cycle and moped drivers by $77 a year for the 2010/2011 year.


Ok. But if ACC want to stick to their "not at fault" crap, then shouldn't pedestrians, horse riders and cyclists be licensed and pay ACC?

As per Wellington Parking, you kiwi's will bleat and moan a lot about this but will be too apathetic to get off your arses, write letters and stand up and protest.




Please prove me wrong.

Grahameeboy
14th October 2009, 13:58
Your mind is already running into alternatives eh. In that case you'd be saying another $700 per year on insurance.

But if you have a lil wee wee on the road you're scrooooed.

Not being registered or even having no WOF does not invalidate the Insurance unless it contributed to accident.Effectively a 200% hike on 601cc and above is wrong...

ManDownUnder
14th October 2009, 13:58
Just got mine for another year - was due soon anyway. Still at the regular price thus far

MIXONE
14th October 2009, 13:59
That sucks a fucking big kumara.
Well I rode my bonnie for 5 years without rego or wof and never got caught so maybe it's that time again.

mynameis
14th October 2009, 14:00
Not being registered or even having no WOF does not invalidate the Insurance unless it contributed to accident.Effectively a 200% hike on 601cc and above is wrong...

You must have a very good insurance company...or a dumb one.

Riding an unregistered no wof bike on the road is breaking the law.

Must be clued up people on the other end if they pay out.

Grahameeboy
14th October 2009, 14:01
Jesus Christ man. fuck i hate the government. if they sorted this shit out a few years earlier they wouldnt fuck up and have to fix it now at our expense. i simply cant afford to do this shit, legally. Turns out i have a helmet for sale now. its XL black FFM, pretty much new anyone keen.

FTG. Ya'll know those pricks just want a pay rise. During these tough times why dont they take the fall for once and not all of us

Go back to the BC times, no laws, everybodies equal. I'd straight beat them dead with a piece of wood.

They bailed out Air NZ...why doesn't the Govt bail out ACC which is Govt owned.They should at least raise gradually and review the ACC situation then.I don't agree that the cc of a bike should determine levy when this does not happen with cars...

EJK
14th October 2009, 14:02
Cycling FTW! :dodge: :dodge:

I smell ACC fee for cycling in not too distant future.

quallman1234
14th October 2009, 14:02
Guess im keeping my bike under a farm rego then. They can go fook em selfs. I bet half the bloody cost is in the administration and bullshit what goes in the background.

kiwifruit
14th October 2009, 14:04
i smell acc fee for cycling in not too distant future.

omg we wont pay

Grahameeboy
14th October 2009, 14:05
You must have a very good insurance company...or a dumb one.

No that is the way it is...Insurance Law Reform Act...not having rego is a legal issue...not having a Wof would be investigated if say biker lost it but remember that a WOF only confirms that pass on the day and not that bike is roadworthy 6 months later so the Insurance would have show "unroadworthiness" caused accident.Worst would be that a total loss value would be less due to no WOF

rainman
14th October 2009, 14:09
Your bike isn't worth anything.

It just took a huge dive in resale.

I can't afford to keep my bike and I can't afford to sell it.

Yeah that's a point. Although it wasn't worth a huge amount to start with, to be fair.

James Deuce
14th October 2009, 14:10
http://kiwiridermagazine.blogspot.com/2009/10/jim-walsh-acc-levy-outrage.html

mynameis
14th October 2009, 14:10
No that is the way it is...Insurance Law Reform Act...not having rego is a legal issue...not having a Wof would be investigated if say biker lost it but remember that a WOF only confirms that pass on the day and not that bike is roadworthy 6 months later so the Insurance would have show "unroadworthiness" caused accident.Worst would be that a total loss value would be less due to no WOF

Yeah but they do take into account the circumstances, where you were ect..ect..if ya aint got rego are ya suppose to be on the road? Can the insurance co decline by law or can't?

James Deuce
14th October 2009, 14:10
Yeah that's a point. Although it wasn't worth a huge amount to start with, to be fair.

Mine either, but: grrrrrrrr.

You know what I mean.

Gubb
14th October 2009, 14:10
Why are the Moped and Motorcycle accidents lumped together?

Mopeds don't require a specialist license, WOF, and currently pay stuff all Rego. Why can't they seperate the classes out to give us a real indication how dangerous motorBIKES really are.

I suspect that a fair whack of the current accident statistics are attritutable to Scooters.

That said, is there a BRONZ chapter in Welly? I'm keen for a mass slow-protest ride.

James Deuce
14th October 2009, 14:12
That said, is there a BRONZ chapter in Welly? I'm keen for a mass slow-protest ride.
No. Wanna be President?

ital916
14th October 2009, 14:12
Update on submission question.

Yes, you will be able to make submissions. Deadline is 10 November . At present these are proposals.

Be aware though that historically, ACC have totally ignored all submissions.

Only time they ever blinked was the great revolt in '93 .

But bikers were tougher and harder in '93.

I don't think the modern breed has it in them for concerted protest action.

You'll all bleat and pay up, or sell the bike and tell everyone you never liked those dangerous things anyway.

BRONZ (Auckland) will discuss an action plan next Wednesday evening . 7:30 pm. Danish House 6, Rockridge Rd Penrose.

See you there. Or not.

This from the ACC

Ill be there. Cant afford $1000 dollar rego. Simple as that. Goverment can get fucked.

Auckland mayor banksy has like three bikes all over 1000cc, he should be on our side with this one.

wickle
14th October 2009, 14:12
so to be fair other vechiles should be charged at a similar rate
i.e. upto 1999cc
2000 > 3999
4000> plus
extra for large vechiles ie bloodly four wheel-drives that are driven in town..

Kiwi Graham
14th October 2009, 14:13
Holy crap!!!
I've only just registered the 14 for a year, thinking how bloody expensive it was and now I hear this!!!!!!!!!!

Am I right in saying these are proposed increase charges?
If it goes through ,the bottom will just fall out of the 601cc + market and I'm sure the industry will have something to say about it.

I'm all for some protest action, so count me in.

Reido
14th October 2009, 14:14
so to be fair other vechiles should be charged at a similar rate
i.e. upto 1999cc
2000 > 3999
4000> plus
extra for large vechiles ie bloodly four wheel-drives that are driven in town..

dont forget extra for turbo etc

tonys
14th October 2009, 14:14
If you own multiple bikes, how can you be expected to pay multiple ACC levies? I can only hurt myself on the bike I'm riding at the time!

mynameis
14th October 2009, 14:14
Why are the Moped and Motorcycle accidents lumped together?

Mopeds don't require a specialist license, WOF, and currently pay stuff all Rego. Why can't they seperate the classes out to give us a real indication how dangerous motorBIKES really are.

I suspect that a fair whack of the current accident statistics are attritutable to Scooters.

That said, is there a BRONZ chapter in Welly? I'm keen for a mass slow-protest ride.


No. Wanna be President?

carver and sidewinder can organise Hamilton one as long as they don't pull wheelies on protest rides.

James Deuce
14th October 2009, 14:15
carver and sidewinder can organise Hamilton one as long as they don't pull wheelies on protest rides.
Actually, I think the time for mass wheelies is upon us.

{.bLanK}G_o_D
14th October 2009, 14:16
I feel a sharp stinging sensation in my ass.
That's probably the government bending me over and raping my poor virgin ass.
I will defiantly join any protest if it's organized for all the main centers, would even consider traveling to wellington if I had too.

We could protest like the truck drivers did a few months back by blocking lanes and riding as slow as possible.

If we're all to lazy, I'm joining imdyings plan.

BecsBerr
14th October 2009, 14:16
Why are the Moped and Motorcycle accidents lumped together?

Mopeds don't require a specialist license, WOF, and currently pay stuff all Rego. Why can't they seperate the classes out to give us a real indication how dangerous motorBIKES really are.

I suspect that a fair whack of the current accident statistics are attritutable to Scooters.

That said, is there a BRONZ chapter in Welly? I'm keen for a mass slow-protest ride.


At least mopeds will now be classed as "small motorcycles" and pay the full amount for motorcycles under 125cc. Which is a fair wack for them, aparantly they were $59 per year, now will go to $258 or something...

jamiey
14th October 2009, 14:17
FUCK THEM. Protest time, it works for truckers.

Why not block the bridge / motorway during rush hour one day. Few bikes going nice and slow could easily do it. A perfectly legal demonstration in a democratic society.

kave
14th October 2009, 14:17
A lame protest ride will be insufficient. We all need to take drastic action. We need to really get peoples attention. Perhaps something like removing all our licence plates, or blocking main arterial routes in the big cities at rush hour, bring the city to a standstill. Perhaps a harbour bridge parkup in Auckland from 5am until 9am. Fuck being law abiding, we need the politicians to pay attention.

scracha
14th October 2009, 14:19
A lame protest ride will be insufficient. We all need to take drastic action. We need to really get peoples attention.

Does giving 2 fingers to ACC and their "residual levies" before fucking off to Australia sound drastic and attention seeking enough?

mynameis
14th October 2009, 14:19
A lame protest ride will be insufficient. We all need to take drastic action. We need to really get peoples attention. Perhaps something like removing all our licence plates, or blocking main arterial routes in the big cities at rush hour, bring the city to a standstill. Perhaps a harbour bridge parkup in Auckland from 5am until 9am. Fuck being law abiding, we need the politicians to pay attention.


Well aren't you a ray of sunshine.

ukusa
14th October 2009, 14:19
Holy crap!!!
I've only just registered the 14 for a year, thinking how bloody expensive it was and now I hear this!!!!!!!!!!

Am I right in saying these are proposed increase charges?
If it goes through ,the bottom will just fall out of the 601cc + market and I'm sure the industry will have something to say about it.

I'm all for some protest action, so count me in.

Yep, I think bike shops need to get behind this one as well, record bike sales in recent years could start to plummet!

wickle
14th October 2009, 14:20
If you own multiple bikes, how can you be expected to pay multiple ACC levies? I can only hurt myself on the bike I'm riding at the time!
Dealers licence plates

James Deuce
14th October 2009, 14:21
Does giving 2 fingers to ACC and their "residual levies" before fucking off to Australia sound drastic and attention seeking enough?
Just talking that through with the wife now. I have rellies in Melbourne and Adelaide and I have skills.

Swoop
14th October 2009, 14:22
Superb!
This has swayed my decision for me.
No rego! No wof.

Thank's ACC.

bogan
14th October 2009, 14:23
count me in for any protest rides in manawatu/welli region. Perhaps a series of traffic fau pa's requiring the use of horns should occur near certain houses at the early hours in the morning. Stebel equiped bikes to attend!

Harvd
14th October 2009, 14:23
seen the speeding fines in some parts of aus though!

Danae
14th October 2009, 14:24
This is fucking bullshit. Absolutely out of line IMO.


Right, if nobody else will, I'll organise a fucking Hikoi down to Parliament against this bullshit.

I'm with ya.

License plates off, block all the roads around parliament, get noticed. We need people from all over the country. Not just Kiwibiker either.

I can't afford this shit, and if I sell my bike I can't afford the bus or a car. What. The. Fuck.

Shagz
14th October 2009, 14:24
I'd like to send a friendly email to ACC but what grounds do I have to what they have proposed?

"Oh, please don't increase the levies, motorcycles are cool as, bro!

Cheers"

Seriously, what am I to write that would have any impact?

Time to contact the motorbike industry & MPs that use motorbikes.

{.bLanK}G_o_D
14th October 2009, 14:25
Tony has a good point, you can only ride one bike at a time but still have to pay your acc levy for multiple bikes. What a jip

I hope you Jafa's do a slow protest ride during rush hour, be great to see Auckland grind to a hault.

Maha
14th October 2009, 14:25
Those on 600's could possibly fall under the increase yes?
Some 600's are just under, more like 598cc or there abouts....loophole?
If ya own a Litre bike you're fucked either way.

Reckless
14th October 2009, 14:26
I don't think we need to take our number pates off the protest??
Wouldn't that just give them grounds to move us on or ticket us??

Eddieb
14th October 2009, 14:26
Just talking that through with the wife now. I have rellies in Melbourne and Adelaide and I have skills.

While you're at it I'll take a job in Melbourne too thanks.

Danae
14th October 2009, 14:26
I hope you Jafa's do a slow protest ride during rush hour, be great to see Auckland grind to a hault.

Auckland is at a halt at rush hour :lol:

sinfull
14th October 2009, 14:27
So it's settled then, a Labour weekend protest starts 6 am in the norf shore and blocks the bridge friday morning, then moves south to meet 6 am teusday morning On the kapiti coast for a very very slow ride into parliment (Hell some 200-400 odd bikes may get gridlocked at the Hutt coast interchange on the way in and not move for several hours) !!! Seem to recall they dont like bikes parked on the grass at parliment neither, so be carefull you park in the correct manner !!

HenryDorsetCase
14th October 2009, 14:28
That is an absolute disgrace - I don't consider my 650cc SV a 'big bike'

But going up to over $700 per year - no way. Something has to be done here !

engine capacity is an easy, but retarded way of doing this I concur.

why should a CBR600RR with 125 hp cost more to register than your 75hp SV?


What they are doing is this (because by definition politicians are lying manipulative scumbags):

They've decided that the costs will double. They tell everyone they are going to treble. Pandemonium ensues. They agree to merely double the cost and everyone goes "its a triumph* for democracy"

Does anyone know enough to question this statistic-oid about a $70 "subsidy"

or indeed the underpinning statisticoids underpinning the justification for this?

Also, if I have more than one bike, I will be swapping the plate over. I can only ride one at a time and Ive got to get my moneys worth.

Oh, and it makes a trackday look bloody cheap, huh?



*as opposed to a Norton of democracy, or a Honda of democracy etc.


Remember kids: how do you know a politician is lying? Their lips are moving.

spookytooth
14th October 2009, 14:28
I am up for a protest rides too, auck or welly either or both or any place inbetween

yachtie10
14th October 2009, 14:28
Im up for whatever sensible protest is on
I have spare time right now to help organise
will be going to bronz meeting next week

If this happens I dont think I will pay rego or insurance and will spend more of my time overseas

time ACC stopped being part of the welfare system

Danae
14th October 2009, 14:28
So it's settled then, a Labour weekend protest starts 6 am in the norf shore and blocks the bridge friday morning, then moves south to meet 6 am teusday morning On the kapiti coast for a very very slow ride into parliment (Hell some 200-400 odd bikes may get gridlocked at the Hutt coast interchange on the way in and not move for several hours) !!! Seem to recall they dont like bikes parked on the grass at parliment neither, so be carefull you park in the correct manner !!

Oh it's on. :headbang: We can has an official thread? Meetings/events forum?

ckai
14th October 2009, 14:29
Make sure if anything is organised to post it up on a separate thread so it gets noticed. I think numbers is the key here. I wanna be part of something and am keen to help organise anything in the Waikato area. But I wanna do it in conjunction with other areas.

I think doing something at the same time all over the country would get things noticed. Or everyone converging on Wellington.

Time to band together. Shit that sounds gay!

I'm sure the 30-odd riders that I ride with will be keen for action.

Let us know what everyone plans.

kave
14th October 2009, 14:29
So it's settled then, a Labour weekend protest starts 6 am in the norf shore and blocks the bridge friday morning, then moves south to meet 6 am teusday morning On the kapiti coast for a very very slow ride into parliment (Hell some 200-400 odd bikes may get gridlocked at the Hutt coast interchange on the way in and not move for several hours) !!! Seem to recall they dont like bikes parked on the grass at parliment neither, so be carefull you park in the correct manner !!

I am in, lets do this. Licence plates off?

Reckless
14th October 2009, 14:29
Those on 600's could possibly fall under the increase yes?
Some 600's are just under, more like 598cc or there abouts....loophole?
If ya own a Litre bike you're either way.

Looks like the 675 Daytona just went down to 599cc!!

But your right don't isn't the rego laws in Japan the main motivator for their engine size manufacture??

Btw I would def be rego-ing a 599cc as 599 not a 600cc!!

Slyer
14th October 2009, 14:30
What's also stupid is how they are grouping the bikes to charge rego.
A GSXR600 would pay the $500 levy and a SV650 would pay $750.
How does that make any sense?

jamiey
14th October 2009, 14:30
Tony has a good point, you can only ride one bike at a time but still have to pay your acc levy for multiple bikes. What a jip

I hope you Jafa's do a slow protest ride during rush hour, be great to see Auckland grind to a hault.

Lets do it block the fucking bridge for 3 hours on a monday morning, both ways too and a second block on upper highway so no way through.

Just emailed my thoughts to ACC

consultation@acc.co.nz

vifferman
14th October 2009, 14:30
The way I see it...

You've got several options.
You didn't mention
6. Replace your infernal combustion engine with an electric one (approximately zero cc).

HenryDorsetCase
14th October 2009, 14:30
Just talking that through with the wife now. I have rellies in Melbourne and Adelaide and I have skills.

It ain't necessarily the promised land, but I love Melbourne. Do it.

Rev DJ
14th October 2009, 14:31
The thing that gets me is that ACC has enough in reserve for at least three years business operations. This is the biggest amount of reserves that they have had for some time. Some commentators are arguing that ACC is NOT BROKEN - so why is the govt trying to fix it?? Ah, politics...:mad:

But on the other hand - and thats the hand on my wallet - having just bought a litre bike and keeping the commuter wheels, a major increase like this will mean that I will probably just run one rego across two bikes...

And I'm keen on participating in any protest...

Rev

grbaker
14th October 2009, 14:32
PROTEST TIME. :girlfight:

This National govt is worse than Labour... by a long shot IMHO :Pokey:

Danae
14th October 2009, 14:32
So...Start off in Auckland blocking off the harbour bridge in the morning by sheer force of numbers. Then filter down and head to Wellington. By the time we get there it will probably be rush hour again. Block off the streets around Parliament. Park on the grass etc :lol:

kave
14th October 2009, 14:33
I am very tempted to register my 1200 as a moped. Anyone know if that would affect insurance?

jamiey
14th October 2009, 14:33
So it's settled then, a Labour weekend protest starts 6 am in the norf shore and blocks the bridge friday morning, then moves south to meet 6 am teusday morning On the kapiti coast for a very very slow ride into parliment (Hell some 200-400 odd bikes may get gridlocked at the Hutt coast interchange on the way in and not move for several hours) !!! Seem to recall they dont like bikes parked on the grass at parliment neither, so be carefull you park in the correct manner !!

Perfect - Labour Day. Destory everyones holidays. Souns shit for Joe Public but i haven't been this angry about anything in ages:mad:

Krayy
14th October 2009, 14:34
http://kiwiridermagazine.blogspot.com/2009/10/jim-walsh-acc-levy-outrage.html
That was quick...succinct as ever Jim. You might want to get them to point out if they have private medical insurance, as no discounted rate for those of us who have insurance is a bit or a rort.

bogan
14th October 2009, 14:34
You didn't mention
6. Replace your infernal combustion engine with an electric one (approximately zero cc).

didnt work for me last time, so i regestered it as a scoot, now thats gone up by 200 bucks, and she aint even going yet!

Danae
14th October 2009, 14:34
Once this is up in a thread I'm gonna make a poster.

breakaway
14th October 2009, 14:35
$750 for bikes over 601cc? heh. Fine for no rego is $200. That means you can get pulled up thrice and you still save money.

Fuck buying rego from now on.

However this is just a 'proposal' so nothing TOO serious.

grbaker
14th October 2009, 14:35
Should start in AK, block the bridge and the Motorway to the airport....

won't get much coverage in Wellington.

mynameis
14th October 2009, 14:35
So...Start off in Auckland blocking off the harbour bridge in the morning by sheer force of numbers. Then filter down and head to Wellington. By the time we get there it will probably be rush hour again. Block off the streets around Parliament. Park on the grass etc :lol:

A screaming little girl on a FXR 150 :laugh:

Your bike won't go past the bridge :lol:

BecsBerr
14th October 2009, 14:36
Actually, you aren't quite right there. That nice metal box will keep you alive, not from getting hurt altogether. Intensive care patients and patients with chronic disabilities are the ones that cost a lot. A motorcyclist hugging a tree at 100+ km/h isn't really that expensive.

Also, you crashing your motorcycle isn't very likely to cause injury to more than one or maybe two people. Of course there are the odd ones out - but there you go.

I was really refering to motorcycle/car accidents where a car is involved, mainly the round town accidents where a car doesn't look properly before changing lanes, pulling out etc. Had many friends on bikes get hit - my husband for one! Car drivers walk away with maybe a couple of bruises, slightly winded if that, Motorcyclist get taken to hospital with shattered wrists, broken bones... thats where alot of ACC goes.

Any high speed accident what ever vehicle you are in/on will cause injury. As I said though, my experience is not the motorcyclist wrapping themselves round a tree from doing something stupid. Its trying to get out of the way of a car who has done something stupid.

Regardless this new levy is excessive. The previous government made is free for anyone who hurt themselves "accidently" to get physiothearapy and other treatments, now somebodies gotta start paying back the huge deficit that it created.

Saw an article recently about how someone in NZ hurts themselves every 48 seconds doing jobs around the house, at a cost 641mil in ACC just last year.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10595342

Jizah
14th October 2009, 14:36
Looks like the 675 Daytona just went down to 599cc!!

But your right don't isn't the rego laws in Japan the main motivator for their engine size manufacture??

Btw I would def be rego-ing a 599cc as 599 not a 600cc!!

600 is fine. 601+ is what is proposed.

Maha
14th October 2009, 14:36
The simple answer really is to pay six monthly (if thats more easier on the wallet) or every three months, yes you end up paying more but not alot in the big picture.

Gubb
14th October 2009, 14:37
No. Wanna be President?
I'd be the last person you'd want as a leader. Happy to organise and help, burt unless you want a half-mnaked woman battling a giant sausage as the emblem, it might be best for another President.

Maha
14th October 2009, 14:38
600 is fine. 601+ is what is proposed.

600's increase to $511.43.

Jizah
14th October 2009, 14:40
600's increase to $511.43.

Yeah I worded that wrong. I meant there's no difference between 599cc and 600cc.

Murray
14th October 2009, 14:41
New KB Record last night with 321 users on line at once!! Wonder if this is a new record with 79 people viewing the thread.

Anyone any ideas how I tell my wife I'm selling her bike and does anyone want to buy one now???

Thaeos
14th October 2009, 14:42
arseholes.

NighthawkNZ
14th October 2009, 14:42
Guys, we really do need to fight this - especially as most bike accidents are caused by cages in the first place...

Like I said I hate the no fault system... because us as bikers pay for other peoples fuckups... oh I didn't see you...

How much ACC did those push bikers pay to be on the road when the were taken out by the car for not giving way... if the no fault system is going to stay then they need to pay as well if they are to be on the road...

Maki
14th October 2009, 14:43
The answer is for hundreds of bikes to block rush hour traffic EVERY day until this madness is reversed. Why should bikers pay for foreign tourists who don't bother with insurance, thugby players who injure themselves for life and worst of all bludgers who can't be arsed to come off ACC and get back to work...

Lucky me, I got a 600... A if my bike is any safer than a 650...

sinfull
14th October 2009, 14:44
Perfect - Labour Day. Destory everyones holidays. Souns shit for Joe Public but i haven't been this angry about anything in ages:mad:
I was thinking labour day meeting in Bulls (on the bridge) around 12 pm !
Also another gathering at a point just north of woodville, another bridge perhaps, same sort of time !

Then later that night yr all welcome to come at our place ! (Ok so that wont work) But i know a bloke with a farm, Who i'm sure would let ya's all camp at, if motels and hotels are all booked !

Morcs
14th October 2009, 14:44
What's the ACC portion of the rego to be a horse rider each year? Or a rugby player? Skier? Cyclist? Diver? Caver?

Good point.

Surely though if we have private medical insurance then we shouldnt have to pay extra ACC...

Stop falling off on corners you noobs.

vifferman
14th October 2009, 14:44
i haven't been this angry about anything in ages:mad:
I must be broken - I don't feel anything much about it at all. Perhaps a tad annoyed. Not really enough emotion to goad me into action.

Maybe (perhaps) [however] {although} we're looking at it all wrong? We're costing us HEAPS for bike crash injuries, and someone has to pay for it. Aren't WE someone? And aren't WE the someones involved? Shouldn't we pay for ourselves?

NighthawkNZ
14th October 2009, 14:44
So, what are y'all going to do about it.

Bleat on here, and spread 'em and take it?

Or get out and protest?

When was the last BRONZ Protest ride... 1993

BRONZ has lost its will to do anything...

Maha
14th October 2009, 14:44
Yeah I worded that wrong. I meant there's no difference between 599cc and 600cc.

You are right, I got it wrong (which is unlike me :rolleyes:) well, back to the drawing board.

Danae
14th October 2009, 14:45
A screaming little girl on a FXR 150 :laugh:

Your bike won't go past the bridge :lol:

An FXR150 with pink ribbons no less!

jamiey
14th October 2009, 14:45
The answer is for hundreds of bikes to block rush hour traffic EVERY day until this madness is reversed. Why should bikers pay for foreign tourists who don't bother with insurance, thugby players who injure themselves for life and worst of all bludgers who can't be arsed to come off ACC and get back to work...

Lucky me, I got a 600... A if my bike is any safer than a 650...

Nice:clap:

Gubb
14th October 2009, 14:46
Stop falling off on corners you noobs.

...... Didn't you wheelie into a parked car?

Varkp
14th October 2009, 14:46
f'king insane, 2 X 900cc plus bikes = $1400 a year + insurance + all the other f'king costs. Well thats what you get from a nanny state.

lets protest !!!

if they dont reconsider, i'm selling the bikes, getting a fooken large sticker made saying "EX Biker", stiking it on the back of my car and driving a slow as to work every day holding up the traffic. if only half of the biker on SH2 in wellington do that everyday, we shoudl be able to hold up a few of these morons and make them late for work by a few hours !!!.

Danae
14th October 2009, 14:48
I haven't fallen off yet! :2thumbsup I'll see you cunts at the BRONZ meeting next week :banana:

Woody2
14th October 2009, 14:50
I have just emailed my local MP Hekia Parata and cc Nick Smith and mentioned my extreme dissatisfaction - National party website has all MPs addresses. I'm will also be up for any Wellington Protest ride!

Cheers Daryl.

James Deuce
14th October 2009, 14:51
You didn't mention
6. Replace your infernal combustion engine with an electric one (approximately zero cc).

Never. As I've said before, if bikes go electric, I'm riding the bus.

Maha
14th October 2009, 14:51
The answer is for hundreds of bikes to block rush hour traffic EVERY day until this madness is reversed. Why should bikers pay for foreign tourists who don't bother with insurance, thugby players who injure themselves for life and worst of all bludgers who can't be arsed to come off ACC and get back to work...

Lucky me, I got a 600... A if my bike is any safer than a 650...


I was thinking labour day meeting in Bulls (on the bridge) around 12 pm !
Also another gathering at a point just north of woodville, another bridge perhaps, same sort of time !

Then later that night yr all welcome to come at our place ! (Ok so that wont work) But i know a bloke with a farm, Who i'm sure would let ya's all camp at, if motels and hotels are all booked !


Would the better idea be to have support from other road users rather than piss them no end at Labour weekend?
A protest is a great idea, but a well organised and coordinated protest with structure and the right delivery would have a better impact.

NighthawkNZ
14th October 2009, 14:52
Ixion - how about the immediate publication of a notice supporting motorcyclists not paying their rego.

That's the only protest left fellas and fellesses.

I'll pay my rego, just not my ACC part

ready4whatever
14th October 2009, 14:52
I think everyone should just not buy a rego, then they'll realize they had more money before this whole thing.

Do you guys think the 600cc+ motorcycles that crash more often are harleys and triumphs etc that motorcycle gangsters ride? i often hear how they crash while drunk, with a helmet designed for a nazi soldier rather than to protect the head from a crash

Danae
14th October 2009, 14:53
Can we at least crowd parliament? :eek: I reckon a ride with enough people will get some media coverage and notice...

Gubb
14th October 2009, 14:53
Surely all this talk of not paying Regos also means that you won't have Warrants?

Don't you need to have your Rego up to date to get a Warrant, or is it the other way around?

NJ83
14th October 2009, 14:53
Count me in for any protest (riots ftw), and thats the last time I rego my bike.

Not paying that shit, They can get fucked.

Agreed, you can count me in too, Rego's are high enough as it is without them going up :weep:

Maki
14th October 2009, 14:54
Would the better idea be to have support from other road users rather than piss them no end at Labour weekend?
A protest is a great idea, but a well organised and coordinated protest with structure and the right delivery would have a better impact.

Yea, lets just have our own quiet little protest and make sure we don't piss anyone off. I suggest a group ride through Eketahuna at midnight or so, when no one will notice.

Get real. If you want to get somewhere you have to PISS PEOPLE OFF.

Jizah
14th October 2009, 14:55
Surely all this talk of not paying Regos also means that you won't have Warrants?

Don't you need to have your Rego up to date to get a Warrant, or is it the other way around?

Need warrant to get rego.

Krayy
14th October 2009, 14:55
Never. As I've said before, if bikes go electric, I'm riding the bus.

http://www.motoczysz.com/main.php?area=home

Everybody!!!..."The wheels of the bus go round and round...." :baby:

kave
14th October 2009, 14:56
I will be interested to hear what BRONZ suggests. I have never really heard what they actually do, this is a prime opportunity for them to either show that they are a useful and relevant organisation, either that or show that they are completely neutered in which case there is an opening for a rival group.

If BRONZ fails to suggest meaningful action and guide the protests in a situation like this where there is a huge groundswell of disatisfaction with how motorcyclists are being treated by the government, then they are truly a complete failure.

sinfull
14th October 2009, 14:57
Would the better idea be to have support from other road users rather than piss them no end at Labour weekend?
A protest is a great idea, but a well organised and coordinated protest with structure and the right delivery would have a better impact.

But but but i've never insighted a riot before !!!

Ok I'm gonna be at taupo riding around and around on my unreged bike anyway on labour day, so i would have had to catch up later, like the next day, due to some bloody protest or another stopping traffic on SH1 for god nows how long the backlog would have taken to clear, from two strategic blockades !!!

Bwahhahahahahaha

Danae
14th October 2009, 14:57
Like Ixion said: BRONZ (Auckland) will discuss an action plan next Wednesday evening . 7:30 pm. Danish House 6, Rockridge Rd Penrose.

Dodger
14th October 2009, 14:58
http://www.motoczysz.com/main.php?area=home
Everybody!!!..."The wheels of the bus go round and round...." :baby:

or: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTT_Turbine_Superbike
(no cc rating)

Choco
14th October 2009, 14:58
I'm a student. If this goes through, i'm fucked. :(
Bye-bye biking.
So, whens the protest ride? :headbang:

grbaker
14th October 2009, 14:58
Yea, lets just have our own quiet little protest and make sure we don't piss anyone off. I suggest a group ride through Eketahuna at midnight or so, when no one will notice.

Get real. If you want to get somewhere you have to PISS PEOPLE OFF.

Not Labour weekend..... Rush hour on a Business Day. You got to F someone off to make a point

Danae
14th October 2009, 15:00
Not Labour weekend..... Rush hour on a Business Day. You got to F someone off to make a point

I'm hoping most people will be able to get off work for such a worthy cause :buggerd:

ready4whatever
14th October 2009, 15:02
The answer is for hundreds of bikes to block rush hour traffic EVERY day until this madness is reversed.


Someone fly a plane into the bee hive. or park a truck outside of it full of explosives. I saw this thing off CI how this dude sent pipe bombs through the mail to government leaders which blew their face off pretty much, he got caught 20 years later only because his brother dobbed him in. I'm pissed

Gubb
14th October 2009, 15:03
Look how the Truckers did it. They let people know in advance, did it peacefully. Many people got in behind and supported them for it.

Pissing off the randoms in the streets won't help our cause, if anything, it will make it worse. We need to get the "general" public on our side and not all hating us for clogging up the streets while they try to get to their holiday destination for a much needed break.

Str8 Jacket
14th October 2009, 15:04
Get rid of ACC covering motorcyclists. Make medical insurance compulsory for riders. To what level of cover is your own choice.

Ha, yeah well some of us cant get medical insurance cause we "got really sick once".

I have to say, I am being slightly hypocritical as I am definately one of the riders who helped to contribute to the hike in costs but did anyone not see this coming when National were voted into power???

mossy1200
14th October 2009, 15:04
Ill take a day off and cruise at 10 clicks all day long through Wellington.Pick a fine day please.
Whats worse is when people dont pay the rego they will have to lift it again so the people that do will get have it increased again.

ckai
14th October 2009, 15:06
You can't just protest by pissing off the cagers. That'll get you no where and the cagers will just say "they deserve everything they get". You gotta get everyone else on your side as well. Like the truckies did. Everyone knew what they were doing and why they were doing it and they had public support.

This is how you get politicians on your side as well. Because it's votes for them.



I must be broken - I don't feel anything much about it at all. Perhaps a tad annoyed. Not really enough emotion to goad me into action.

Maybe (perhaps) [however] {although} we're looking at it all wrong? We're costing us HEAPS for bike crash injuries, and someone has to pay for it. Aren't WE someone? And aren't WE the someones involved? Shouldn't we pay for ourselves?

Agree, that bikers should pay for the crashes they have and it makes sense. What I don't go for is such a massive increase. I'd be happy (for lack of a better term) to pay say $500. I'm such a nana rider compared to others I ride with that lumping me in the same category as "people that crash often" pisses me off.

Yes, my chances for a crash are no less likely compared to the speedsters and it would be near-on-impossible to do it any other way but it's such a fucken big increase it seems absurd.

I have a 675, the wife has a GSX650F and yet we're both paying the same because we're considered the "crashers". Based on bikes, I'm more likely to bin compared to her. But it's still bollucks.

This is why I say let's go to a user pay's system. You have you're own accident insurance, you don't pay ACC (or it's heavily subsidised). At least you will get rewarded for not crashing and needing it by lower premiums each year. I'm more than happy to pay an insurance company a reasonable premium.

This way I get branded a hoon every year and pay even when I don't crash.

Yes someone has to pay. But it should also be fair and reasonable.

wingnutt
14th October 2009, 15:06
guys these are just maniac proposals from the dicks heading acc the govt is looking to half these propasals, hopefully but I agree, if they go up that much Ill send a bloody cheque for the licence fee less acc levy its totally out of whack.

cheers BOb

MSTRS
14th October 2009, 15:06
Have to take the protest to the streets.
Can't get into the so-called 'submission/consultation' section of ACC.
If they get away with this, it'll be open slather on all other forms of ACC...whilst they grant themselves huge bonuses.
I might also be tempting the devil, but I aint had a vehicular accident for over 35 years. Where's my NCB??

cheshirecat
14th October 2009, 15:10
Then there is the knock effect to the motorcycle industry -
resultant unemployement costs, etc.
There was mention in the article of no claims. Couldn't find when this incredibly well thought out plan is comming into effect

Dodger
14th October 2009, 15:10
but did anyone not see this coming when National were voted into power???

I was more hoping that National was going to ditch ACC and privatise the whole system. :oi-grr:

Jizah
14th October 2009, 15:11
guys these are just maniac proposals from the dicks heading acc the govt is looking to half these propasals, hopefully but I agree, if they go up that much Ill send a bloody cheque for the licence fee less acc levy its totally out of whack.

cheers BOb

That's the plan. Threaten a huge increase, then offer to half it. Then everyone thinks they're getting a great deal!

Waxxa
14th October 2009, 15:14
this will also be detrimental to motorcycle shops and their employees if these proposals go ahead...this increase is unjustifiable.

Bikes have less weight, less congestion, less emissions...how can this increase be reasonable. What constitutes a 'big' bike? 601cc...pfffttt.

If a protest is to go ahead KBers we will need to have passion like the French people and protest hard!

YellowDog
14th October 2009, 15:14
'Mine Got'

This has to hold the record for the fastest growing KB thread of all time.

It's April the First - Right ?

Str8 Jacket
14th October 2009, 15:14
I was more hoping that National was going to ditch ACC and privatise the whole system. :oi-grr:

Ha! <hahahahahaha>

Brian d marge
14th October 2009, 15:16
Doesn't matter. Motorcyclists have just been served. We've been singled out for decades and no effective political opposition was ever organised. This is the price.

ーThank you James , it been what I have been wittering on about for years

No after horse has bolted and your faced with a 700 dollar bill

you cry boo hoo

Good luck

I am alright I stored my food for the winter

Stephen

See this thread

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=109646

PPS you voted for them ..... we said nooo don't do it , but ya just had to carry on , now look at the mess you have caused .....

Movistar
14th October 2009, 15:17
Having not read all the posts this may have been mentioned already...

Looking at new registrations for July 2009 here is a breakdown of the most popular CC ratings:

Under 60CC: 184
61 - 125CC: 51
126 - 250CC: 67
251 - 400CC: 6
401 - 750CC: 52
751 - 1100CC: 63
1101+ CC: 79

If you combine the 751 - 1101+ CC catergories you get a total of 142.
If you add onto that an estimated portion of motorcycles that are 600 +CC it could be 172 total (est).

With this in mind, doesn't it make sense to target this portion of the market?
More revenue.

Of course this is based on new registrations and not the total registrations that are gathered for older bikes also.

I know that the under 60CC catergory is larger than the total generated from the bigger capacity machines, but do you really think that cheaper running can be marketed if the registration fee for a scooter is hiked too much?

Morcs
14th October 2009, 15:18
...... Didn't you wheelie into a parked car?

Yes but I was asking for it. Bit different to people who cant get around corners. :Pokey:

MadDuck
14th October 2009, 15:18
I might also be tempting the devil, but I aint had a vehicular accident for over 35 years. Where's my NCB??

I was thinking exactly the same thing.

Punish people on CC rating is friggin ridiculous - jeez I can walk faster than the Hardley can go around most corners so am not really a risk out there!

Well not as much risk as a young fella on a sports bike I dont think

YellowDog
14th October 2009, 15:19
I can't see why an 800cc cruiser should pay more than a 250cc sports bike.

That guy with the electric Daytona must be laughing his head off :rofl:

Morcs
14th October 2009, 15:20
So when does it come into play? everyone should make sure they buy a years rego prior.

I think the whole industry and community needs to get behind this somehow.

Bike sales will drop drastically. Bikes with no wof/rego will rise. People doing runners will rise. And us people who use motorcycles for enjoyment and convenience whilst reducing the clogging of motorways and carbon footprint get shafted.

ACC cover should be a tick box on the rego. If you want it, tick the box and pay for it. If you dont, then dont tick the box and pay for it. That way people with their own health plans dont have to pay someone elses medical bills.

Whats the point of ACC when you die waiting for treatment due to the queue of people with runny noses?

The Stranger
14th October 2009, 15:23
For me it's up from $250 odd to $750 odd... Fuck me that's quite a rise!

I have a 660 cc bike with 47hp as a commuter. That's going, may as well get a 600 with 100hp now.

My ACC isn't going up by $500.00, but by $1,000.00 as I have 2 bikes over 600cc, but the risk is no greater than having one, but wait there's more, I have a car too - that's user pays I guess.

For years I was a member of BRONZ to try and protect our rights, few gave a fuck about protecting our rights - who gives a fuck now?
Quite a few it seems.
Perhaps we should all look to Dipshit for guidance in this matter.

Danae
14th October 2009, 15:23
ACC cover should be a tick box on the rego. If you want it, tick the box and pay for it. If you dont, then dont tick the box and pay for it. That way people with their own health plans dont have to pay someone elses medical bills.

+1. I have no bling to give out! :( Just try not to crash!

mossy1200
14th October 2009, 15:23
You gotta feel the pain of a 636 owner who considered a 600r.

NighthawkNZ
14th October 2009, 15:24
However this is just a 'proposal' so nothing TOO serious.

maybe just a proposal... but we need to still act on it...

NighthawkNZ
14th October 2009, 15:27
Not Labour weekend..... Rush hour on a Business Day. You got to F someone off to make a point

Or rush hour when people are all going on holiday and back ;)

Brian d marge
14th October 2009, 15:27
I have just emailed my local MP Hekia Parata and cc Nick Smith and mentioned my extreme dissatisfaction - National party website has all MPs addresses. I'm will also be up for any Wellington Protest ride!

Cheers Daryl.

Postal is always free to wellington Freepost something or other

Now ya wont want half a million poorly writted submissions all saying different things

you want individual letters saying the SAME thing

and for that you need a form letter ( written by the royal smart person )

Copy it out then stick it on EVERY bike seat you can find including the details of how they can cut and paste to email the same letter


Stephen

Katman
14th October 2009, 15:28
I believe that the time for action is upon us.

I would also suggest that the kiddies with the "lets send letterbombs to the bee-hive" suggestions (yes, I do realise they're not serious) should shut the fuck up and let the grown ups figure this one out.

I will try to make it to the BRONZ meeting on Wednesday.

rainman
14th October 2009, 15:29
Come ooooon you all voted National in.

Speak for yerself buddy...


They bailed out Air NZ...why doesn't the Govt bail out ACC which is Govt owned.

It's an ideologcal burp. They're not interested in saving ACC, they're doing all they can to manufacture a crisis so they can break it.


Auckland mayor banksy has like three bikes all over 1000cc, he should be on our side with this one.

Difference is he can afford his 3x$750 without blinking.


Actually, I think the time for mass wheelies is upon us.


A lame protest ride will be insufficient....Fuck being law abiding, we need the politicians to pay attention.


Get real. If you want to get somewhere you have to PISS PEOPLE OFF.

Revolution is required, although I wonder if we have the scrote for it.


Some commentators are arguing that ACC is NOT BROKEN - so why is the govt trying to fix it?? Ah, politics...:mad:

See above. It's short-sighted stoopid ideology at work. And most people will be taken in by it. Go read the other ACC thread, you'll see what I mean.


This National govt is worse than Labour... by a long shot IMHO :Pokey:

It's a tough call as they are both shit but I reckon you're right in this case.

Wingnut
14th October 2009, 15:29
I have a 660 cc bike with 47hp as a commuter. That's going, may as well get a 600 with 100hp now.


The price of bikes over 600cc is set to plummet to the depths of hell now!!!

Personally - I am just glad I sold my GSXR 1000 earlier this year.

I wonder if track days are going to get more popular now. Dont need a rego there.

All the same - it is truely tragic for motorcycling in New Zealand indeed.

Naki Rat
14th October 2009, 15:30
Has anybody noticed that bike rego has been rising rapidly before this coming proposal?

My cost at June 2008 was $224.28 for 12 months' worth.
June 2009 it was $267.21
According to Land Transport (http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/vehicle-ownership/registration.html) >61cc M/C rego is currently $382.67 (which I'm guessing $300+ is ACC levy).

2.5 - 3 times increase in ACC all in one go is bloody criminal though. It's time the pushbikes, contact sports and drunks started paying their share :mad:

NighthawkNZ
14th October 2009, 15:31
MSTRS[/B]]I might also be tempting the devil, but I aint had a vehicular accident for over 35 years. Where's my NCB??

I have never made an ACC claim let alone a accident in 23 years...

maybe experience as well as no claims needs to come into it for their calculations...

Squiggles
14th October 2009, 15:36
No they're not. 50% are people falling off on corners. By themselves.

Cut the shit and quote a source

Beeza
14th October 2009, 15:37
You can only ever ride one bike at a time, so why must those of us who own more than one road-bike pay ACC on each bike? Surely it should be charged to the rider and levied only once at the charge for the largest-capacity bike registered to you?

Wingnut
14th October 2009, 15:37
I have never made an ACC claim let alone a accident in 23 years...

maybe experience as well as no claims needs to come into it for their calculations...

Valid point. Weren't they talking about some sort of no claims bonus system? Not too sure............

Morcs
14th October 2009, 15:37
Or at least do the rego per person - that means regardless of vehicle, how many you own etc..
and that covers cyclists, rugby players etc...

grusomhat
14th October 2009, 15:38
Bugger

Pixie
14th October 2009, 15:38
So, what are y'all going to do about it.

Bleat on here, and spread 'em and take it?


Of course we will.What do you think we are? Frenchmen?

paddy
14th October 2009, 15:39
BRONZ (Auckland) will discuss an action plan next Wednesday evening . 7:30 pm. Danish House 6, Rockridge Rd Penrose.

Is this an open meeting to all or a BRONZ closed committee meeting.


carver and sidewinder can organise Hamilton one as long as they don't pull wheelies on protest rides.

I'm be more worried that the protest ride my taking in some high altitude riding over a certain bridge...


When was the last BRONZ Protest ride... 1993

BRONZ has lost its will to do anything...

I have always wondered about the effectiveness of BRONZ. In the past year that I have been riding, I haven't really heard anything in the main-stream media. The only output I see is the column in KiwiRider Magazine which reads just like the moans that you see in this forum. Yet during the same period, the government quietly delayed most of the motorcycle 2010 strategy elements (such as introducing a LAMs scheme and removing the 70 KM/H learner restriction) to 2020. This occurred with no "official" response from any biker advocacy groups (BRONZ).


Would the better idea be to have support from other road users rather than piss them no end at Labour weekend?
A protest is a great idea, but a well organised and coordinated protest with structure and the right delivery would have a better impact.

I agree, there needs to be some coordination, a central point of control, a singular voice, and a singular message.


I will be interested to hear what BRONZ suggests. I have never really heard what they actually do, this is a prime opportunity for them to either show that they are a useful and relevant organisation, either that or show that they are completely neutered in which case there is an opening for a rival group.

If BRONZ fails to suggest meaningful action and guide the protests in a situation like this where there is a huge groundswell of disatisfaction with how motorcyclists are being treated by the government, then they are truly a complete failure.

I agree. We need an organisation like BRONZ to step up and provide a unified voice. An organisation that knows HOW to lobby a government and knows how to "play" politics. I know it's a lot about money, but lobby groups in the United States are extremely effective.


Someone fly a plane into the bee hive. or park a truck outside of it full of explosives. I saw this thing off CI how this dude sent pipe bombs through the mail to government leaders which blew their face off pretty much, he got caught 20 years later only because his brother dobbed him in. I'm pissed

Probably because he didn't feel the need to post it online. :-)

Brian d marge
14th October 2009, 15:39
Oh by the way they are introducing a new court system designed to clear the backlog of minor offenses , such as not paying ACC

The judge isn't a legalized book learned judge ( of the dread variety )

but a normal person with a bit of community history

they can do any case that has a potential of up to 3 months in prison after that they must refer it tot a bondage loving geriatric

Soooo

your non paying protest WILL be seen earlier and the fines Will get collected sooner and a criminal record Will stop one or too later activities ,,,( not that I wanted to visit America anyway )

Go 12 % of the Population !!!!

Stephen

Ruuuth where are you Ruth,,,,,,,

HenryDorsetCase
14th October 2009, 15:40
I must be broken - I don't feel anything much about it at all. Perhaps a tad annoyed. Not really enough emotion to goad me into action.

Maybe (perhaps) [however] {although} we're looking at it all wrong? We're costing us HEAPS for bike crash injuries, and someone has to pay for it. Aren't WE someone? And aren't WE the someones involved? Shouldn't we pay for ourselves?

I have had the same thought process myself its fair to say, but I have come to the view that this proposed increase is iniquitous, and I do intend to exercise my demoratic rights in relation to it.

My thought process is this:

The ACC system was introduced in 1974 to prevent the lottery that was personal injury litigation. For example I am knocked off my motorbike by my business partner: his fault, I get heaps of compensation from him or his insurers because of the fact he has pots of money. But compare the result with I am knocked off my bike by our office junior. She has no money, no insurance, I get nothing, even though I have the same legal rights against both parties.

ACC said, "Hey, the social contract is this: You give up the right to sue, and we (the nanny state to use a phrase popular a year ago) will look after you, on a no fault basis. Everyone pays a bit, and we all get looked after. Its marvellous".

And so it was.

But then in the '80's there were some pretty hardheaded attempts from people to get rid of this system. "Its anachronistic, it unfairly makes people pay who've never had a claim, I do only X but you do Y and so you should pay more."

And thats the real problem. What we now have is the expression of that mindset: One of the smallest groups of individuals by number, who by the nature of their activity, and the fact that pretty much any claim they make will be major are being targeted to pay "their "fair" share".

It is almost a complete abrogation from that principle that we all pay a bit and we all get looked after to one of "user pays".

And that, in my view, is why its so very wrong.

Morcs
14th October 2009, 15:40
The problem with protesting on bikes is that it isnt that effective.

Every protest ride ive been on ive been disappointed that we get funnelled into two lanes, still allowing traffic to pass on one lane, slows things up a bit, but nothing like the impact the truckies had.
ah if only all motorcyclists had a truck knocking around on the back lawn *sigh*

p.dath
14th October 2009, 15:40
ACC is going up for bikes. So what?

You can't tell me this was a surprise. ACC lost another $4.8b. We've just been in a recession. ACC's investments are down. Lots of people are out of work so the earner levies are down. Motorcycles are over re-presented in accident statistics.
The Government has been talking about it for a while. It's not a new problem. You really have to call it the worst keep secret.

And don't think this will be the last increase. Other ACC levies will be going up as well. Things will get worse until ACC manages to balance its books.

It's like mob mentality around here. Everyone is inciting everyone else. Soon we'll have a linching mob - only ACC is a public organisation, so there is no one to linch but ourselves for running up such a big debt.


It's like chicken little syndrome. The sky is falling! The sky is falling!


So I say harden up.
Changes are needed - you, me, ACC and the Government. We aren't going to like them. We spent money we didn't have. It doesn't matter how or why - it's too late now. Now we have to pay it back.

red675
14th October 2009, 15:40
bit of a worry that - when someone refers to themself as a grown-up and others as kiddies - pompous fucking arse more like

Murray
14th October 2009, 15:42
I say read the thread that is 15-16 pages long and started about an hour or 2 ago

HenryDorsetCase
14th October 2009, 15:42
Oh by the way they are introducing a new court system designed to clear the backlog of minor offenses , such as not paying ACC

The judge isn't a legalized book learned judge ( of the dread variety )

but a normal person with a bit of community history

they can do any case that has a potential of up to 3 months in prison after that they must refer it tot a bondage loving geriatric

Soooo

your non paying protest WILL be seen earlier and the fines Will get collected sooner and a criminal record Will stop one or too later activities ,,,( not that I wanted to visit America anyway )

Go 12 % of the Population !!!!

Stephen

Ruuuth where are you Ruth,,,,,,,

Its Dredd, by the way.

paddy
14th October 2009, 15:43
The problem with protesting on bikes is that it isnt that effective.

Every protest ride ive been on ive been disappointed that we get funnelled into two lanes, still allowing traffic to pass on one lane, slows things up a bit, but nothing like the impact the truckies had.
ah if only all motorcyclists had a truck knocking around on the back lawn *sigh*

Yes but a protest doesn't need to disadvantage others. You are not going to black-mail the government into change. What a protest does it gets you free media attention. You can then use this platform to launch an organised an concerted campaign.

Katman
14th October 2009, 15:43
bit of a worry that - when someone refers to themself as a grown-up and others as kiddies - pompous fucking arse more like

Go sit over there with the kiddies.

Drogen Omen
14th October 2009, 15:44
well all i can say is time to sell the 1200cc bike and get me a 90cc scooter cause that is fucking rude...

Must be time to organise a protest ride... clog up the motorway and wellington city centers...

:mad:

HenryDorsetCase
14th October 2009, 15:44
Or at least do the rego per person - that means regardless of vehicle, how many you own etc..
and that covers cyclists, rugby players etc...

Your suggestion is superficially attractive but completely unworkable: cue poll tax riots.

mephistopheles
14th October 2009, 15:45
I don't normally contribute to threads, but I'm personally outraged by the unjustifiable proposed increases to the ACC levy for bikers. I can't believe they are railroading such a bullshit knee-jerk hike- obviously no thought has been applied to the rise. We are being subsidised by other motorists by $70 a year, eh? Don't know how their creative accounting department massaged those numbers. Well maybe we- not just bikers, but other motorists- are propping up other areas such as, oh- sports injuries? You can't tell me our treasured national 'sport' doesn't fill up the emergency wards every weekend, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. Rugby, martial arts, soccer, back injuries by d.i.y gone bad, the tip of the iceberg. And all those welchers bludging on ACC- I think we all have heard of somebody with a 'bad back', 'sore neck' or some other fictitious hard-to-disprove ailment being seen laying their new driveway, felling trees or doing the clutch in a mate's car...

600cc cut off for the big price hikes? It makes a mockery of all the larger LAM exemptions doesn't it? Sorry, the mild mannered machine you bought because it suited you is suddenly unsafe...

This, if it goes through, will single-handedly screw the larger motorcycle market. I think the financial implications of this proposed idiocy have not been considered. I hope bike shops everywhere are battening down the hatches in anticipation of much reduced over 750cc bike sales. So much for the recession- sorry guys, just bend over and take another length.

I hope this levy increase comes with compulsory third party insurance, because that's about the only way they will be able to stiff-arm this crap onto the poor sods who choose to ride larger bikes for reasons of comfort, lifestyle or necessity. Aren't bikes supposed to be kinder to the environment? They use less non renewable resources, don't damage roads like the average 18 wheeler, take up less parking space in town and if you are unlucky enough to bin one, often there are no other parties involved or hurt. To need the services of ACC.

I think there will be a lot of people out there who will choose to ride without registration- hey, for two $400 no-rego fines, it is almost worth the risk of running the gauntlet and hoping you don't get pinged for the same money. And if there is to be a 600cc cut-off for the biggest increases, I foresee a lot of GSX-R600s and R6s being sold and ridden in the manner not only which they were intended for, but also with a view to absolutely maximising the value for money from registration. And Pilot Powers. And 96 octane. Which will no doubt have gone up in the ensuing period.

grusomhat
14th October 2009, 15:45
I say read the thread that is 15-16 pages long and started about an hour or 2 ago

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/profile.php?do=editoptions >Thread display options > Show 40 posts per page :D

p.dath
14th October 2009, 15:47
That is why I created a seperate thread away from the full on rant. Hopefully this one will be a bit shorter.

James Deuce
14th October 2009, 15:48
Cut the shit and quote a source

I've done it REPEATEDLY.

How about you cut the laziness and go visit Stats NZ yourself?

http://www.transport.govt.nz/research/Documents/Motor%20vehicle%20crashes%202008_Section%204%20Mot orcycle%20casualties%20and%20crashes.pdf

Table 33 and 34.

I was wrong too. Fatalities are about 40% cornering related, not 50%.

spmcg
14th October 2009, 15:50
Remember these rises are proposal by ACC. One thing we can do is to make submissions to ACC (see elsewhere in this thread). That is the bureaucratic portion. The final decision is however a political one.

ACC will make submissions to the Minister, the Hon Dr Nick Smith. Aside from making a submission it is also important for each one of us to email Dr Smith:

(N.Smith@ministers.govt.nz
and also for those of you in his electorate, nick@nick4nelson.co.nz)

I have already done so and if its helpful here's a template that you can adapt (I have multiple bikes):



"I read today reports regarding changes to ACC, in particular the increases in ACC levy for motorcycles. For myself, owner of [insert number or type of bike with engine size, e.g., "two motorcycles both over 600cc"], the increase[s] amount[s] to $493.08 [per motorcycle, or a total of $986.16 per annum to owners of two over 600cc: adjust as required]. This for a person that has private vehicle insurance and no previous ACC claims and who uses motorcycles for leisure [adjust for your situation].




I am sure that some motorcycle riders are at a high risk of accident; the appropriate method to ensure that they pay their fair share is to target by demographic rather than use a blunt tool such as engine capacity. I also note that there is no levy whatsoever proposed for casual players of sports such as rugby, despite their high risk of accident. Nor is there any concrete proposal to limit the increases you propose I should bear by reference to my driving or claim record.




I am disappointed at this proposal and write to advise you and your colleagues that if this comes to pass the National Party loses my vote in perpetuity. I am simply appalled that you feel I should pay [adjust as required (in my case "close to an extra one thousand")] dollars per annum for nothing.


I shall also encourage others to take the same stance; the sort of people that can afford large capacity motorcycles also being within the demographic that traditionally supports your party."

Add any other points you want to make. I suggest keeping it civil. You will get an autobot reply. Don't expect a personal reply - the aim here is to impress with sheer numbers, so encourage others to email as well. Those in the trade should also email their local MP and probably also the PM, pointing out the threat to business from this move.

NINJA_250R
14th October 2009, 15:50
I reckon they are just taking the stats for number of crashes that have happened through out the year and comparing with previous years!

Where they didn't compare the stats for the increase in number of riders throughout last few years!

There are more bikers out there, ofcoz there's gonna be more accidents happening..... That data is just bias....:mad:

Fked up govt

Beeza
14th October 2009, 15:50
And how can it be fair to charge the same ACC risk to someone who does around 200kms a year only on sunny high holidays and someone who does 30 000kms a year in all murky weathers every day? Surely risk goes up with time and distance spent in the saddle being exposed to the danger you're insured against?

Reckless
14th October 2009, 15:51
The problem with protesting on bikes is that it isnt that effective.

Every protest ride ive been on ive been disappointed that we get funnelled into two lanes, still allowing traffic to pass on one lane

Only because we let them!! This time we won't!

Swoop
14th October 2009, 15:51
Surely all this talk of not paying Regos also means that you won't have Warrants?

Don't you need to have your Rego up to date to get a Warrant, or is it the other way around?
Who cares, now...:blip:

PPS you voted for them ..... we said nooo don't do it , but ya just had to carry on , now look at the mess you have caused .....
With a big "thanks liarbour" for fucking up the system and leaving a big debt when they were ceremoniusly ousted.

It's time the pushbikes, contact sports and drunks started paying their share :mad:
Downhill mountan biking is top of the list. How much ACC do they pay?


Edit: Epic thread...Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 79 (67 members and 12 guests)

CookMySock
14th October 2009, 15:54
It's looking pretty short so far. My guess is it will stay that way lol.

Steve

Elysium
14th October 2009, 15:54
Cool, time add my rant to this fast growing thread.

#%#R!@@!#$%% :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Pixie
14th October 2009, 15:56
Email bomb Nick Smith and John Key NOW

nick.smith@national.org.nz

john.key@national.org.nz

I just sent this:

Dear Dr Smith

I thought I would let you know that the proposed ACC levy increases for motorcycle registration are outrageous.

The likely response to this from motorcyclists will be similar to protests that have occurred in Europe i.e. We will not register our vehicles.

Regards

Devil
14th October 2009, 15:57
This is disgusting.

I can see however what has already been posted... them backing down on the tripling of rego for large capacity and instead "only" doubling it.

We're fucked either way.
Wankers.

lankyman
14th October 2009, 15:58
Fuck I can't even verbalise my fucken fury. Riding a bike becomes no longer econnomical, so every bastard trys to sell their bike and can't because the market is flooded and it costs too much to register the fucken things. So I'll just have to buy a car and let the bike sit there un-registered. But I'll still take it for weekend fangs. And I'll bail if some porky cunt tries to pull me over too. Like to see a Holden catch the my TL....Mr smith need's a fucken reality check, or he's gonna end up on the receiving end of an angry mob bearing baseball bats...

SMOKEU
14th October 2009, 15:58
Most bikes burn fewer fossil fuels than even a hybrid car or the most economical diesels, we don't contribute to congestion as much as even the smallest car and we don't damage the roads as much as any car. WTF?

NighthawkNZ
14th October 2009, 15:59
We spent money we didn't have.

No i didn't...

chasio
14th October 2009, 16:00
Postal is always free to wellington Freepost something or other

Now ya wont want half a million poorly writted submissions all saying different things

you want individual letters saying the SAME thing

and for that you need a form letter ( written by the royal smart person )

Copy it out then stick it on EVERY bike seat you can find including the details of how they can cut and paste to email the same letter


Stephen

Just to give an alternative view on this...

At a public meeting about night class cuts, Darien Fenton (MP & against the cuts) stressed that if you're going to write, hand write the letter in your own words. If all submissions are the same, they get lumped together and counted as one, having far less impact.

But I suspect the time for writing indignant letters has passed and that for annoying the fuck out of people has started.

martybabe
14th October 2009, 16:01
Good point.

Stop falling off on corners you noobs.

It is a point though, some faceless bureaucrat somewhere has looked at the claims for bikes and decided it would be a good idea if they charged more for bigger bikes, bigger equals faster equals more accidents equals more ACC payouts obviously. I wonder if they've even looked at the stats before apportioning blame. I don't have anything to back this up because I'm not privy to gubermint stats but logic would dictate that more inexperienced riders on smaller capacity machines would do more of the falling off and therefore make more of the claims wouldn't it?

Not that I'm proposing heavier levies for riders of small bikes,in fact I'm not proposing any increases at all they are, just pointing out that the whole capacity thing is bollocks in so many ways.

Just a minor point, my major point is Fuck them and the blind horse they road in on I'm in for any protest south of Auckland and I shall be riding in on what must be one of the most dangerous bikes available, 1400 ccs and a whopping 106 bhp! Bastards.:mad:

NZsarge
14th October 2009, 16:01
Would the better idea be to have support from other road users rather than piss them no end at Labour weekend?
A protest is a great idea, but a well organised and coordinated protest with structure and the right delivery would have a better impact.

I agree, level the protest at the government rather the other road users, after all they are effected by this too, done right ya might even find some support from some car users...(?)