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motorbyclist
15th October 2009, 13:53
Has anyone else considered that going from $1 to $2 (or $3) a day to own a motorcycle is still cheaper than catching a bus or parking a car?

I've reckon Including maintenance, tyres, insurance, rego and fuel, my 20km commute each way still only costs four dollars.

The train costs $5.70 and runs stupid hours, and it a ten minute drive from home, adding the cost of my time.

A small 1300cc car costs as much as a bike to run (high insurance cancels rego), but city parking is offensive at best.


The new levy still leaves me better off on the 400cc bike than the bus; I just have to save/budget accordingly to pay the lump sum.

Of course for those who don't commute, this is still a crock of shit.

vifferman
15th October 2009, 13:55
Yes, I've already posted the same thing twice, saying that less than $2/day is better'n going on the bus.
So yes, I do realise this.

mossy1200
15th October 2009, 13:59
And I do 3000kms per year recreational so thats only 25cents per km which is more than the petrol to run my 60hp bonneville 865cc.

MSTRS
15th October 2009, 14:00
Has anyone else considered that going from $1 to $2 (or $3) a day to own a motorcycle is still cheaper than catching a bus or parking a car?

I've reckon Including maintenance, tyres, insurance, rego and fuel, my 20km commute each way still only costs four dollars.

The train costs $5.70 and runs stupid hours, and it a ten minute drive from home, adding the cost of my time.

A small 1300cc car costs as much as a bike to run (high insurance cancels rego), but city parking is offensive at best.


The new levy still leaves me better off on the 400cc bike than the bus; I just have to save/budget accordingly to pay the lump sum.

Of course for those who don't commute, this is still a crock of shit.
And there you have it. My only toy/pastime of choice is under attack, because it some apparent shortfall. And I didn't make it that way

Rhubarb
15th October 2009, 14:02
Has anyone else considered that going from $1 to $2 (or $3) a day to own a motorcycle is still cheaper than catching a bus or parking a car?

I've reckon Including maintenance, tyres, insurance, rego and fuel, my 20km commute each way still only costs four dollars.

The train costs $5.70 and runs stupid hours, and it a ten minute drive from home, adding the cost of my time.

A small 1300cc car costs as much as a bike to run (high insurance cancels rego), but city parking is offensive at best.


The new levy still leaves me better off on the 400cc bike than the bus; I just have to save/budget accordingly to pay the lump sum.

Of course for those who don't commute, this is still a crock of shit.

This calculation is correct IF you use your bike everyday. If not, the 'cost per km' increases significantly.

Myself and many others ride for pleasure not for daily transport. If I ride my bike for one day 2 out of 3 weekends it costs $30 per day + fuel, insurance etc etc.

A fairer levy would be for motorbike owners to purchase ACC miles (much like the Road User Charges).

The more you ride, the more you pay. SIMPLE!

Marmoot
15th October 2009, 14:03
Has anyone else considered that going from $1 to $2 (or $3) a day to own a motorcycle is still cheaper than catching a bus or parking a car?

So the ACC (mis)management is then justified for doing so just because they can and it is still cheaper than buses?

You're viewing it wrong, mate.

It's the buses and trains that are too expensive!
You don't drag the bottom up to meet the top. The government should think of ways to push the transport (buses/trains) down.

slofox
15th October 2009, 14:03
Yes, I've already posted the same thing twice...

So you're repeating yourself now as well! I get that too...buggrit

Mikkel
15th October 2009, 14:03
Ahem, it's approximately $2 MORE every day for a 601+ ccm bike.

Don't forget that there's maintenance, petrol and insurance to pay as well... not to mention speeding and parking tickets ;)

JohnR
15th October 2009, 14:10
Has anyone else considered that going from $1 to $2 (or $3) a day to own a motorcycle is still cheaper than catching a bus or parking a car?

I've reckon Including maintenance, tyres, insurance, rego and fuel, my 20km commute each way still only costs four dollars.

The train costs $5.70 and runs stupid hours, and it a ten minute drive from home, adding the cost of my time.

A small 1300cc car costs as much as a bike to run (high insurance cancels rego), but city parking is offensive at best.


The new levy still leaves me better off on the 400cc bike than the bus; I just have to save/budget accordingly to pay the lump sum.

Of course for those who don't commute, this is still a crock of shit.


It's not the money!!!!!:slap:

It's the fact that we are being:buggerd:, again, by using spurious figures to insinuate that we are reckless burdens on society.:headbang:

motorbyclist
15th October 2009, 14:12
A fairer levy would be for motorbike owners to purchase ACC miles (much like the Road User Charges).

The more you ride, the more you pay. SIMPLE!

That would be brilliant except then I'm commuting on overpriced road charges because you munters go out on a weekend wheelieing your gsxr thous into oncoming traffic and other such activities, whereas half the accidents I have are because some fuckwit cager didn't look

Maha
15th October 2009, 14:12
And those that ellect not to rego thier bike/s are banking on maybe getting pinged only the once, where as its more likely to a repeat performance. imagine if you will (we all know the cops are awear of rides etc) a rego and warrant block on the Coro Loop? that sort of thing may become more regular.

Coldrider
15th October 2009, 14:14
And those that ellect not to rego thier bike/s are banking on maybe getting pinged only the once, where as its more likely to a repeat performance. imagine if you will (we all know the cops are awear of rides etc) a rego and warrant block on the Coro Loop? that sort of thing may become more regular.The uncollected shortfall will be levered over the existing payers at their earliest convenience.

motorbyclist
15th October 2009, 14:15
To be honest, I do think it's a crock of shit - but as I've posted elsewhere, the problem is ACC bills us bikers reguardless of how the accident occured, so as far as ACC is concerned, cagers should NOT be paying for the bill they create when they hit a bike, which is patently ridiculous

all i'm saying is for me, this isn't the end of the world - my commute offsets my weekend thrash:2thumbsup

dipshit
15th October 2009, 14:21
And those that ellect not to rego thier bike/s are banking on maybe getting pinged only the once, where as its more likely to a repeat performance.

And if the government also make it no rego - then no ACC cover... they would also be running the risk of getting a $80,000. hospital bill.

Oakie
15th October 2009, 14:27
Has anyone else considered that going from $1 to $2 (or $3) a day to own a motorcycle is still cheaper than catching a bus or parking a car?

I've reckon Including maintenance, tyres, insurance, rego and fuel, my 20km commute each way still only costs four dollars.

The train costs $5.70 and runs stupid hours, and it a ten minute drive from home, adding the cost of my time.

.

You have forgotton to factor in one small thing. You actually have to buy a bike too. (You need to spend $5k or so so you can save that couple of dollars a day). Don't worry though. I used the same flawed logic when I first convinced Mrs Oakie that ity would make good sense to buy a bike.

Murray
15th October 2009, 14:27
Has anyone else considered that going from $1 to $2 (or $3) a day to own a motorcycle is still cheaper than catching a bus or parking a car?

I've reckon Including maintenance, tyres, insurance, rego and fuel, my 20km commute each way still only costs four dollars.

Lets do some sums New Rego (under 601cc 40km a day 5 days a week only less stats = approx 9960km annually) $511.43 + apprx $140 registration costs + approx $360 insurance + $100 2 x wof + approx $500 2 x tires + $420 petrol (40km per litre) That equals $5.57 per day in 365 day year but you are only using it 249 days of the year (5 day week and stats off) = $8.16 per days use. And no maintenace costs on top

Use my logic and put in your own insurance etc and somehow do not see $4 any way I look at it???

mossy1200
15th October 2009, 14:29
You have forgotton to factor in one small thing. You actually have to buy a bike too. (You need to spend $5k or so so you can save that couple of dollars a day). Don't worry though. I used the same flawed logic when I first convinced Mrs Oakie that ity would make good sense to buy a bike.
But bikes wont be worth much any more.

kunoichi
15th October 2009, 14:35
ok can't afford to pay for public transport, can't afford to live in the city, can't afford to keep my bike on the road, house is too far away to walk/cycle from....great support for students!

StoneY
15th October 2009, 14:35
Has anyone else considered that going from $1 to $2 (or $3) a day to own a motorcycle is still cheaper than catching a bus or parking a car?
.

I have zero respect for your opinion, or your Math
Its bullshit, end of story, utter dribbel and outright discrimination

ital916
15th October 2009, 14:42
I believe a huge portion of the outcry is coming from the fact that there is a large percentage of bikes over 600cc, leaving them with a minium rego cost of roughly 1000 dollars a year. On top of that you have to get wofs plus service costs plus other stuff. Now, it may be fine for people just commuting, but a lot of bikes over 250cc (aund under haha) get pressed into service as long distance work horses as well as weekend/weekday toys. I dont mind paying extra, but I dont want to pay for off road motorcycles, cyclists and other crap like that.

James Deuce
15th October 2009, 15:19
Has anyone else considered that going from $1 to $2 (or $3) a day to own a motorcycle is still cheaper than catching a bus or parking a car?

I've reckon Including maintenance, tyres, insurance, rego and fuel, my 20km commute each way still only costs four dollars.

The train costs $5.70 and runs stupid hours, and it a ten minute drive from home, adding the cost of my time.

A small 1300cc car costs as much as a bike to run (high insurance cancels rego), but city parking is offensive at best.


The new levy still leaves me better off on the 400cc bike than the bus; I just have to save/budget accordingly to pay the lump sum.

Of course for those who don't commute, this is still a crock of shit.

A 1300cc car is WAY cheaper than a bike to run.

vindy500
15th October 2009, 15:27
A small 1300cc car costs as much as a bike to run (high insurance cancels rego), but city parking is offensive at best.



my MR2 insurance is about $30 more a year than my 250 bandit. full cover, both insured for the same amount

Ixion
15th October 2009, 15:59
A 1300cc car is WAY cheaper than a bike to run.

Cheaper than a 125cc scrotah. Doubt it.

Coldrider
15th October 2009, 16:22
When are these bargain priced Honda CBR1000RR and Yammy R1s be coming onto the market, might grab one or three, only need one rego'd at any given time.
Might not be too many KB actual bikers left on here.

k2w3
15th October 2009, 16:31
It's not just the amount. It's the increase %. Try tripling the (already quite expensive) bill of any other group in society and watch them squeal too.

Laxi
15th October 2009, 16:39
whereas half the accidents I have

farrk dude! exactly how many accidents do tou have????:lol:

duckonin
15th October 2009, 16:45
A 1300cc car is WAY cheaper than a bike to run.

+1..4 this post

dpex
15th October 2009, 16:50
It's not the money!!!!!:slap:

It's the fact that we are being:buggerd:, again, by using spurious figures to insinuate that we are reckless burdens on society.:headbang:

No, you're not quite right here. They're not saying bikers are the fault makers, they are saying bikers involved in an accident (regardless of fault) cost more to fix. I can understand that.

What I cannot understand, and what I absolutely reject is the cynical targeting of such an easy-to-target group when so many others enjoying two wheel transport get off Scot-free. They do because dirt-bikers whom ( as I understand it are included in bike accidents) ride where no cop will go. There are no age restrictions, no skill requirements, and no warrants. So they're almost impossible to police.

Danae
15th October 2009, 17:05
At least you see another side to it...

But it's still all a load of shit eh. They didn't account for the other vehicles involved in the ACC claims of motorcyclists. And basing how much you pay by cc rating is frankly ridiculous. If we go by ACC's way of thinking (higher cc = higher chance of crashing) wouldn't it not be fair that I'll be paying the same amount as you on your 400 or someone on a 600? It really doesn't make sense. Anyway, being a learner I probably have a higher chance of crashing; be it my own fault or someone else's.

At the moment I can only just afford petrol for my low fuel consumption FXR. And I can't afford the bus or a car. I'm fucked if this goes through.

Laxi
15th October 2009, 17:12
No, you're not quite right here. They're not saying bikers are the fault makers, they are saying bikers involved in an accident (regardless of fault) cost more to fix. I can understand that.


actually they have stated in the media that bikers are "more likely to be involved in an accident) you're right the true stat is that we are more likely to be injured, its a simple fact of not having any protection arround us, but their statements so far have been aimed at convincing the public that it's our fault and we are a blight to society

Angusdog
15th October 2009, 20:01
I agree in practice that motorcycling is currently affordable and the proposed ACC rise makes it only slightly less so. Worldwide, motorcycling will still be relatively cheap and high quality in New Zealand. However, as noted, we are paying several times over for the same thing: health care after an accident. ACC levy on work, petrol tax and licensing. And if you earn more than the average wage, you probably have health and income protection insurance as well. Again, these costs are no different to overseas.

One point to bear in mind: The ACC scheme is brilliant. No fault health care across the board. And like the NHS in the UK, is very expensive and hard to administer fairly. This is a speed bump in an otherwise good thing that NZ invented. National are squeezing budgets left right and centre, bikers are no different and some groups are harder hit than this.

The overriding fact is that people who pursue other activities don't pay ACC (rugby, mountain biking and horse riding are the common targets) and are probably more likely to suffer an injury which keeps them off work. For this reason, I will join any protest action going and be a vocal opponent to this change.

I will keep an eye out for the inevitable protest run to parliament.

motorbyclist
15th October 2009, 20:04
I'll address the questioning of my numbers later tonight, but let it be said I end up doing well over 15000km a year, which is about the life of my tyres at 500 a pair


A 1300cc car is WAY cheaper than a bike to run.

My family has a 1330cc beast of a car that i use a bit when neccessary - the fuel consumption is the same, tyres last longer but otherwise cost the same to use all four as it does the pair on my 400, and insurance costs are higher than my bike insurance.

The big difference is the fuel consumption (and time efficiency) turns to shit while stuck on the motorway, and parking, as I said, is offensive at best. As a student I'd either be walking a significant distance each day, paying several grand a month for a inner city spot, or $6 an hour at uni (doing 8-12 hours a day)


my MR2 insurance is about $30 more a year than my 250 bandit. full cover, both insured for the same amount

either ripped off for the bandit or bargain for the MR2?

Katman
15th October 2009, 20:06
whereas half the accidents I have are because some fuckwit cager didn't look

Why weren't you looking?

wolf.47
15th October 2009, 20:08
I just Feel like were just getting raped cause we chose to use a Different form of transport to Most others, Yes i understand motorcycles are less forgiving when an accident happens, but paying $500-$700 a year is just bullshit.

vindy500
15th October 2009, 20:08
either ripped off for the bandit or bargain for the MR2?

$30ish a month

wolf.47
15th October 2009, 20:10
Anyway don't you pay rego in a lump sum every #mounth's, so it dos'nt fell like $2 xtra a day when you have to hand over $200-$700 all at once.

motorbyclist
16th October 2009, 00:14
Why weren't you looking?

It was figurative, to represent the stats - after 6 years of near misses I've not once had an accident involving a car on the road nor made any road related ACC claim


Anyway don't you pay rego in a lump sum every #mounth's, so it dos'nt fell like $2 xtra a day when you have to hand over $200-$700 all at once.

it's called budgeting :niceone:


$30ish a month

farking bargain on the MR2 then:2thumbsup

motorbyclist
16th October 2009, 00:27
Lets do some sums New Rego (under 601cc 40km a day 5 days a week only less stats = approx 9960km annually) $511.43 + apprx $140 registration costs + approx $360 insurance + $100 2 x wof + approx $500 2 x tires + $420 petrol (40km per litre) That equals $5.57 per day in 365 day year but you are only using it 249 days of the year (5 day week and stats off) = $8.16 per days use. And no maintenace costs on top

Use my logic and put in your own insurance etc and somehow do not see $4 any way I look at it???

wtf do you get your wofs, mate? I don't do burnouts, either, so half both those costs for a start......

Current running costs for 12 months on RVF400 including commute and leisure riding:
330 rego
60 two wofs
500 one set of tyres
100 brake pads (overestimate)
327 6k full cover insurance
60 oil
100 misc (bearings or gloves or whatever else dies)
1377 total

divide by 15000km in the year (UNDERestimate - you could add another 3000km done on other bikes of mine or in my care)

$0.0918 per Km

I get about 20km/L at $1.60 a litre, so add 1.6/20 $/km
$0.1718 per kilometer

multiply by twenty to get me from home to uni

cost to get to uni from home:
RVF400: $3.40 + 20minutes
Starlet: $10 for early bird parking alone + under25 insurance
Train: $5.70 + 60 minutes + getting to train station
Bus: why even bother they take well over an hour



Admittedly this is higher than expected, but I usually don't count pads, oil or "misc", particuarly as those tend to occur while on the coro GP and i've got shitloads of oil for the dirtbikes ;)

Point being They have to increase the acc levy a fair way to price me off my bike, and even then I value the freedom it offers over public transport and a cage :)

ital916
16th October 2009, 06:04
wtf do you get your wofs, mate? I don't do burnouts, either, so half both those costs for a start......

Current running costs for 12 months on RVF400 including commute and leisure riding:
330 rego
60 two wofs
500 one set of tyres
100 brake pads (overestimate)
327 6k full cover insurance
60 oil
100 misc (bearings or gloves or whatever else dies)
1377 total

divide by 15000km in the year (UNDERestimate - you could add another 3000km done on other bikes of mine or in my care)

$0.0918 per Km

I get about 20km/L at $1.60 a litre, so add 1.6/20 $/km
$0.1718 per kilometer

multiply by twenty to get me from home to uni

cost to get to uni from home:
RVF400: $3.40 + 20minutes
Starlet: $10 for early bird parking alone + under25 insurance
Train: $5.70 + 60 minutes + getting to train station
Bus: why even bother they take well over an hour



Admittedly this is higher than expected, but I usually don't count pads, oil or "misc", particuarly as those tend to occur while on the coro GP and i've got shitloads of oil for the dirtbikes ;)

Point being They have to increase the acc levy a fair way to price me off my bike, and even then I value the freedom it offers over public transport and a cage :)

Your bike must not take much oil, either that or you dont change it enough. $72-$78 will get you four litres..maybe high sixties if your lucky. I thought most bikes used at least 2.5 to 3 litres. You have to change more often over 15000 to 20000 k. Well, unless the rvf has a very small oil capacity. Even then you should be changing more often no? Just wondering.

nothingflash
16th October 2009, 06:24
It's not just the amount. It's the increase %. Try tripling the (already quite expensive) bill of any other group in society and watch them squeal too.

Yep, this is my issue as well. The % increase (at once) is unfair.

ckai
16th October 2009, 07:08
That would be brilliant except then I'm commuting on overpriced road charges because you munters go out on a weekend wheelieing your gsxr thous into oncoming traffic and other such activities, whereas half the accidents I have are because some fuckwit cager didn't look

See ACC mileage charges could work. What you would have is a maximum ($750) that would get you unlimited KM's for the year. This would equate to the average number of km's a bike travels in a year. Anything below this would be done on a per KM basis.

Like people have mentioned, this is killing the recreational rider, not the commuter. The wife takes the car everyday so per km or per day, the rego for that is pretty good. But her bike stays in the garage only clearing it's pipes for 200km every 2-3 months if it's lucky. So on a per km the bike is way dearer to rego.

But rego doesn't work like that and only now do I see it as a per km way with these big increases. If all bikers used their bikes like everyone else users their cars, it may not be hard to swallow, BUT I would have thought the majority of us are rec-riders (like all other sports).


wtf do you get your wofs, mate? I don't do burnouts, either, so half both those costs for a start......


Some places charge $50/wof. I think the last bike WOF I got was $40 so pretty close to the $100 for 2 WOF's murray figured.

Pixie
16th October 2009, 07:14
Has anyone else considered that going from $1 to $2 (or $3) a day to own a motorcycle is still cheaper than catching a bus or parking a car?

I've reckon Including maintenance, tyres, insurance, rego and fuel, my 20km commute each way still only costs four dollars.

The train costs $5.70 and runs stupid hours, and it a ten minute drive from home, adding the cost of my time.

A small 1300cc car costs as much as a bike to run (high insurance cancels rego), but city parking is offensive at best.


The new levy still leaves me better off on the 400cc bike than the bus; I just have to save/budget accordingly to pay the lump sum.

Of course for those who don't commute, this is still a crock of shit.

I commend you on your typing-while-bent-over skills

Murray
16th October 2009, 07:17
You have your rego at $330 make it closer to $650 with the new ACC levy's included and Boyds charge either $45-$50 for WOF. Also petrol is more than $1.60.

PirateJafa
16th October 2009, 09:46
That would be brilliant except then I'm commuting on overpriced road charges because you munters go out on a weekend wheelieing your gsxr thous into oncoming traffic and other such activities, whereas half the accidents I have are because some fuckwit cager didn't look


farrk dude! exactly how many accidents do tou have????:lol:

And the other half of your accidents are because you repeatedly decide to go and ride when you are in a completely unsafe state, experiencing severe sleep deprivation, and end up in a ditch as a result.

You've only been able to walk away through luck, which you've admitted yourself in the past.

And yet you're considering yourself holier than everyone else? :rolleyes: :baby:

Edit: Ooooh a second page where you seem to be saying you'd rather give away money for no reason than buy another set of tyres. Good plan.

ready4whatever
16th October 2009, 10:24
More dare than a car. still got protective gear to buy with a bike. outragous rego cost, especially for a 'large' motorbike. more insurance. more chance of it getting stolen. much cooler than on the train of course

MSTRS
16th October 2009, 10:25
It is clear that few-to-none of us are happy about the proposed hikes.
What we are in danger of doing is forgetting that cars etc are also being hiked. Which a majority of us will also be affected by.
Sure, there is an Us-and-Them mentality at work, but would it not be a good idea to somehow include car drivers in our fight?

Mikkel
16th October 2009, 10:28
Not a bad idea. But difficult since the unfairness of the MC levy increase is most visible when held up against the ACC levy on car registrations.

avgas
16th October 2009, 10:41
Unprotected sex with hookers is cheaper, safer and easier

Marmoot
16th October 2009, 10:48
Take the approach that ACC levy increase is caused by ACC blowouts from mismanagement (abuses and poor policies such as full payment etc).
That would include the car drivers as being treated unfairly as well, thus sympathy from them to our plight is possible.

I mean, $4.8 billion late-notice cost blowout from things such as misbudgeting of physiotheraphy cost ($4million becoming over $100 million per year) is piss poor management. Make ACC accountable for their own mistake and put public pressure on it.

Eng_dave
16th October 2009, 10:52
Unprotected sex with hookers is cheaper, safer and easier

Less thrilling and not so tight in the corners though as my bike.

rphenix
16th October 2009, 16:16
This is a speed bump in an otherwise good thing that NZ invented. National are squeezing budgets left right and centre, bikers are no different and some groups are harder hit than this.
Which groups are those?

motorbyclist
18th October 2009, 01:16
You have your rego at $330 make it closer to $650 with the new ACC levy's included and Boyds charge either $45-$50 for WOF. Also petrol is more than $1.60.

wofs are $30 where I get them, and petrol was 1.59 last time I filled up with BP 91


And the other half of your accidents are because you repeatedly decide to go and ride when you are in a completely unsafe state, experiencing severe sleep deprivation, and end up in a ditch as a result.

ffs

I've had two road accidents, both were sleep deprived, ironically both were while riding slowly, none involved a car. I've either anticipated or avoided every cager on the road (so far).

Both incidents were my fault, before katman assumes i somehow think otherwise.


You've only been able to walk away through luck, which you've admitted yourself in the past.

bollocks - a fair bit of that is dirtbike-acquired ability to crash and good old biker genes. I'm lucky there were no second vehicles involved but that's why i rec ride outside of traffic hours.


And yet you're considering yourself holier than everyone else? :rolleyes: :baby:


wtf? what gave you that impression?

you of all people should be keeping quiet - Your arm has cost more than you or me will ever pay in rego levies and that was caused by a need for adrenaline and arguably worsened by your consequent actions getting to the a&e.

THEN after you go and break your other arm on my dirtbike (my fault for letting ya) you ride to the hospital for another surgery with two casts on and a pillion to take you bike home!

epic? maybe. stupid? definitely.

Just out of interest, what happens if you off onto that arm again? Will they have to lop it off or can they wire it back together?

and is it a muscle or a bone thing that limits the movement? I hear torn tendons hurts like a mofo


Take the approach that ACC levy increase is caused by ACC blowouts from mismanagement (abuses and poor policies such as full payment etc).
That would include the car drivers as being treated unfairly as well, thus sympathy from them to our plight is possible.

I mean, $4.8 billion late-notice cost blowout from things such as misbudgeting of physiotheraphy cost ($4million becoming over $100 million per year) is piss poor management. Make ACC accountable for their own mistake and put public pressure on it.
totally agree - the most outrageous part is that the CEO of ACC is on some insane salary like $500k a year :yuk:

PirateJafa
18th October 2009, 11:25
ffs

I've had two road accidents, both were sleep deprived, ironically both were while riding slowly, none involved a car. I've either anticipated or avoided every cager on the road (so far).

Both incidents were my fault, before katman assumes i somehow think otherwise.

^^ My point exactly.


bollocks - a fair bit of that is dirtbike-acquired ability to crash and good old biker genes. I'm lucky there were no second vehicles involved but that's why i rec ride outside of traffic hours.

"Biker genes" eh? So you're saying luck? Again, my point exactly, thank you.


wtf? what gave you that impression?

you of all people should be keeping quiet - Your arm has cost more than you or me will ever pay in rego levies and that was caused by a need for adrenaline and arguably worsened by your consequent actions getting to the a&e.

THEN after you go and break your other arm on my dirtbike (my fault for letting ya) you ride to the hospital for another surgery with two casts on and a pillion to take you bike home!

epic? maybe. stupid? definitely.

Just out of interest, what happens if you off onto that arm again? Will they have to lop it off or can they wire it back together?

and is it a muscle or a bone thing that limits the movement? I hear torn tendons hurts like a mofo

And yes, you've stated a bunch of points which I have voiced myself in the past. Errr congrats?

And if I "off" onto that arm again, it will be the same as a normal arm. Either it'll break again or it won't - it's no more vulnerable now, 'tis just a bit of bone stopping further extension and rotation.

Also, you are aware I trust that I have full medical insurance? Some of us do take precautions rather than just planning to bludge off everyone else. :rolleyes:

So yes, your point was? Like usual you're posting with plenty of passion, but without engaging your brain first.

motorbyclist
18th October 2009, 23:35
first point, there is no other half of my accidents, and no I'm not being all "high and mighty"



"Biker genes" eh? So you're saying luck? Again, my point exactly, thank you.

nope, just a proven ability to bounce of objects without anything more than a bruise.

whereas some people tend to snap like twigs....



And yes, you've stated a bunch of points which I have voiced myself in the past. Errr congrats?


we'll you've never admitted those points to me. infact your apparent lack of regard to your injuries (while you had them) have led to the complete opposite impression




And if I "off" onto that arm again, it will be the same as a normal arm. Either it'll break again or it won't - it's no more vulnerable now, 'tis just a bit of bone stopping further extension and rotation.

ahhhhh I've always wondered what the problem was there




Also, you are aware I trust that I have full medical insurance? Some of us do take precautions rather than just planning to bludge off everyone else. :rolleyes:


No, I was not aware that you had accident cover. You've never mentioned it so I made a natural presumption. How much is it costing your parents?


now get out; you're derailing my troll thread!

PirateJafa
19th October 2009, 08:41
first point, there is no other half of my accidents, and no I'm not being all "high and mighty"

:slap:

Let's see. A written off Starlet and broadsiding a 4x4 with your dirtbike. Versus two "ditchings".

Half your fault, and half not? Seems fairly elementary to me.


nope, just a proven ability to bounce of objects without anything more than a bruise.

:slap:


No, I was not aware that you had accident cover. You've never mentioned it so I made a natural presumption. How much is it costing your parents?

:slap:

I first got it when I was working at QP via the company, and have continued paying the $220 a year out of my own pocket, like all my other expenses. This might not be a familiar concept to you. :Pokey:

I dub thee, Motorbyclist, Inducer of Face-Palms.

Danae
19th October 2009, 12:05
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motorbyclist
19th October 2009, 23:24
Let's see. A written off Starlet and broadsiding a 4x4 with your dirtbike. Versus two "ditchings".

Half your fault, and half not? Seems fairly elementary to me.

:slap:
Learn to read: i was specifically referring to ROAD BIKE accidents.

getting rear ended by a learner driver was in a car, and didn't even have a ambo callout, was not in a bike and not a claim

having a 4WD unexpectedly swerve across muriwai beach infront of me resulted in getting checked over by a paramedic - who was already at the bike park attending to some other rider who had broken his leg.

Only bike related ACC claim I've made was an X-ray after a race. I'd hazard a guess the levy on my YZ petrol bill alone covered that one without hitting the rego budget (but we all know acc stats are fucked up anyway)


:slap: at your second :slap:, as I'm not even sure we're on the same level with that one




I first got it when I was working at QP via the company, and have continued paying the $220 a year out of my own pocket, like all my other expenses. This might not be a familiar concept to you. :Pokey:
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:slap:

1: SO, in that case you could have retorted my original post by pointing out that private health insurance is infact dirt-fucking-cheap compared to ACC?

2: You took Duncan, Sam, Danae, and myself on a roadtrip to retrieve your motorcycle PURELY because you couldn't afford the expense yourself - had we gone down the two of us as per original plan (as told to me) we wouldn't have made it back from wellington, and had you told us this was the case we would've loaned you the cash and been prepared ourselves. We'll save the questionable driving in terms of speed and then fatigue for another time.

PirateJafa
19th October 2009, 23:29
Bahaha, gotcha sucker. Derailment = success! Catch ya at the chiller, fucked if I'm typing a reply to one of your wall'o'texts this late at night. :niceone:

motorbyclist
19th October 2009, 23:40
Bahaha, gotcha sucker. Derailment = success! Catch ya at the chiller, fucked if I'm typing a reply to one of your wall'o'texts this late at night. :niceone:

translation: "oh fuck better bail out before I make much more of an ass of myself"

zjet
20th October 2009, 03:13
Just going back to the start point of this thread for A mo. I would like to add in another comparsion.
$2700 per year is actuly about the same cost as my rates and house and contents insurance.

Funny its cheaper to be robbed than own a motorbike that i ride in nice weather.
Personaly if thats the rego charges per year I don't think I could afford to own a bike anymore. I just hope that the money makers in the motorcycle industry realize this as could kill the nz market

SARGE
20th October 2009, 06:06
ladies ...ladies .. you're BOTH pretty ...

ital916
20th October 2009, 06:16
ladies ...ladies .. you're BOTH pretty ...

Thats puuuurty....not pretty.

Was talking to an american at uni the other day, now I always thought it was a sterotype but when he said awesome, it seemed to last forever."aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwsome"....mega drawl.

PirateJafa
20th October 2009, 08:25
translation: "oh fuck better bail out before I make much more of an ass of myself"

With exams next week, some of us have been spending long hours each day studying. 'Course, you might disagree with this plan, but then we all know your propensity for procrastination.


:slap:
Learn to read: i was specifically referring to ROAD BIKE accidents.

At no point have ya mentioned this. Unless you're going to rock back and ninja-edit, at which point you've sunk to Dushy's level.


2: You took Duncan, Sam, Danae, and myself on a roadtrip to retrieve your motorcycle PURELY because you couldn't afford the expense yourself - had we gone down the two of us as per original plan (as told to me) we wouldn't have made it back from wellington, and had you told us this was the case we would've loaned you the cash and been prepared ourselves. We'll save the questionable driving in terms of speed and then fatigue for another time.

[wallotextalert]For a start, I'd been expecting to use a diesel van to get the bike - and only found out that this was not going to be possible two days before the trip. Secondly, if costs had been as expected, it would have been affordable - I wasn't expecting the ferry to cost an extra $80 over what they'd previously quoted on the phone, plus at this point we were using a 2.3L car towing a trailer - if I'd known we were going to be using this from the start, I'd've arranged for an overdraft just in case. Not to mention I wasn't expecting some numpties to net me a $200 parking ticket whilst I was in Nelson either, thanks mate. Interesting how you like to raise this topic when you can even fit in the vaguest tangential link to justify it - and yet haven't had the guts to bring it up in person with me? Thirdly, any complaints from you in terms of speed is nullified by, for a start, you quite happily exceeding the recommended 80km/h speed on a space-saver tyre, particularly whilst towing a bike-laden trailer - and of course the fact that you've only just, after several years, dropped down from the 80-90 demerit range - as opposed to my grand total of zero in my life.

Oh snap?


1: SO, in that case you could have retorted my original post by pointing out that private health insurance is infact dirt-fucking-cheap compared to ACC?

Because I could only be bothered on calling you out on one section of your OP. You clearly hadn't put too much thought into the rest of it, so I wasn't bothered. According to you, the new ACC levy is right and fair, solely because you have a moderate commute every day so it still means that YOU are saving money. Well, my commute is the exact same, but I disagree, as I feel that weekend-riders and inner-city commuters etc have a right not to be taxed off the road/their hobby. Call it a disagreement on principle. Namely because I don't just think about myself.


ladies ...ladies .. you're BOTH pretty ...

That reminds me, I've got money that needs to be exchanged for tools. Time to hunt down your number once I get home again. :niceone:

Swoop
20th October 2009, 08:38
It's the buses and trains that are too expensive!
Unfortunately not, they are too cheap. The bus service is subsidised by 50% by the ratepayers, as announced during the recent Auckland bus strike.

Marmoot
20th October 2009, 09:02
Unfortunately not, they are too cheap. The bus service is subsidised by 50% by the ratepayers, as announced during the recent Auckland bus strike.

Unfortunately not.
The (in)ability for the bus service to be self-sufficient is irrelevant to the affordability of the bus passengers.
$8 round trip from city-fringe suburb to inner-city is ridiculous by 2nd/3rd world country standard with an average income of around $36000-$40000 p.a.

To compare the ACC rate increase on something such as this is similar to saying "actually we're quite lucky we got burgled. The Samoans got it worse when their village was destroyed". Well, are you really lucky you got burgled? Are you supposed to thank your burglars because they "make you lucky"? Of course not. This case is similar: the comparison is invalid.

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Again, the bus affordability analysis above was solely based on affordability. I am not counting the causal factors such as why the bus service is unable to be self-sufficient (e.g., low population base = insufficient bus patronage rate, inability to spread the base infrastructure cost, etc).

Swoop
20th October 2009, 09:21
The (in)ability for the bus service to be self-sufficient is irrelevant to the affordability of the bus passengers.

I am not counting the causal factors such as why the bus service is unable to be self-sufficient (e.g., low population base = insufficient bus patronage rate, inability to spread the base infrastructure cost, etc).
Why should a business exist if it so inefficiently run? If memory serves, NZ Bus is owned by an overseas concern and would not be here if there wasn't profit to be made. Unfortunately the ratepayer has to take up the slack, once again...

They really need to look at how they operate. A huge bus that is only 10% occupied is not an acceptable solution especially with the greenies wanting "eco efficiency" all the time.
We see a full bus in the morning and the evening but if the company ran smaller busses that were better occupied, during off-peak commuting times, then more "genuine" fares could attract more patronage.
We have had years of "not enough passengers to be making enough profit, so we'll have to put the prices up" which puts people off of using public transport. If they put prices down, however...

This model works well overseas.

davo
20th October 2009, 09:41
Cheaper than a 125cc scrotah. Doubt it.

Agreed, I ride a humble little 250cc as my daily commute, my partner drives a 1300cc car. We spend a lot more on the car, however we also use it more frequently in the weekends so you could argue higher km's.

At the end of the day if you compare a low end (engine capacity) car such as a 1300cc vs a low end bike, I'd imagine the bike will always be cheaper?

SARGE
20th October 2009, 16:05
Thats puuuurty....not pretty.

Was talking to an american at uni the other day, now I always thought it was a sterotype but when he said awesome, it seemed to last forever."aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwsome"....mega drawl.

lemme guess .. he was a Californian.. :tugger:

we all hate THEM

oh .. and Texans

motorbyclist
25th October 2009, 14:57
With exams next week, some of us have been spending long hours each day studying. 'Course, you might disagree with this plan, but then we all know your propensity for procrastination.

yet here I am reading your reply, whilst you are out on a coro loop



At no point have ya mentioned this. Unless you're going to rock back and ninja-edit, at which point you've sunk to Dushy's level.

i made it explicitly clear every time i mentioned my personal acc experiences - no edit needed (and it shows the time/date of last edits anyway ya nub ;))




[wallotextalert]For a start, I'd been expecting to use a diesel van to get the bike - and only found out that this was not going to be possible two days before the trip. Secondly, if costs had been as expected, it would have been affordable - I wasn't expecting the ferry to cost an extra $80 over what they'd previously quoted on the phone, plus at this point we were using a 2.3L car towing a trailer - if I'd known we were going to be using this from the start, I'd've arranged for an overdraft just in case.


so you TOTALLY fucked up the planning of a trip you announced over a month prior?



Not to mention I wasn't expecting some numpties to net me a $200 parking ticket whilst I was in Nelson either, thanks mate.

well what exactly did you expect to happen for 8 hours in wellington without a current rego displayed?

it might pay to mention that at the time you found out you yourself said it wouldn't be a problem seeing as you had a current rego and the label was in the post.


Interesting how you like to raise this topic when you can even fit in the vaguest tangential link to justify it - and yet haven't had the guts to bring it up in person with me?

i've been trying to keep quiet about it since the trip but you make such an effective troll :innocent:


Thirdly, any complaints from you in terms of speed is nullified by, for a start, you quite happily exceeding the recommended 80km/h speed on a space-saver tyre, particularly whilst towing a bike-laden trailer - and of course the fact that you've only just, after several years, dropped down from the 80-90 demerit range - as opposed to my grand total of zero in my life.

Oh snap?

oh hardly, i had a string of 20km/h over the limit tickets, one of which was in a new subdivision prior to housing, checking my bike was safe to ride, and have since kept well behaved. plus, i didn't have a car load of audible concerned passengers at the time ;)

you not having any tickets is a show of luck - including the one you got let off on for no clear reason


According to you, the new ACC levy is right and fair,

i never said that. I was merely saying it isn't going to be the end of motorcycling as the cost is still low in comparison to running costs for a commute, and/or running costs for a large capacity sportsbike.

infact, i said it was " still a crock of shit."

jeez you commerce students aren't too strong on the reading, are ya?