Who will sell

[jimbo600]

Just a query on who will give up motorcycling due to the ACC raping?

Must admit I probably will. Don't get me wrong I love riding the scooter. But what with the over zealous road policing debacle, Takas rooted for the next 2 years and now this? I'll fight it all the way, but if Nick Smith gets his way I feel that the the burden just isn't worth carrying.

[Str8 Jacket]

Racing is where its at. Everyone should just put their regos on hold and race their bikes instead. We could afford to hold races every fornight if we paid our "rego" to a new Org that would run and organise, or maybe fund Vic Club to do it.

I have a dream anyway...

[jimbo600]

Holy shit hels that way quick.

[Str8 Jacket]

Holy shit hels that way quick.

lol, well I have been thinking about this all day. While working productively of course...

[mossy1200]

Racing is where its at. Everyone should just put their regos on hold and race their bikes instead. We could afford to hold races every fornight if we paid our "rego" to a new Org that would run and organise, or maybe fund Vic Club to do it.

I have a dream anyway...

Dont say it to loud or our race licence will cost thousands or we will have to ride slow and carefully.

[spookytooth]

no way "more chars"

[Maha]

I will pay for 12 months asap, so it wont effect me till sometime later next year, by then, who knows where I will be, might even be able to afford a upgrade, the ORC's will sting a little.

[Str8 Jacket]

Now I can laugh at people with big bikes.. *HAHA*

[jim.cox]

Can't Pay ?

Won't Pay !

[hospitalfood]

nothing against racing but fucked if I think its the answer.

I want to ride the roads, thats what they are for. I don't want to be forced off them ! they are mine as much as anyones.
I will reg one bike probably, reg hold my other but ride it anyway.

[Ender EnZed]

I won't sell but I'm not going to be paying almost half what my bikes worth for rego unless they raise the penalty to imprisonment. Or I get pulled over lots.

[ital916]

Itll be a cold motherfucking day in the deepest motherfucking levels of motherfucking hell before I go one day in my life without a motorcycle (s). Anybody who tries to take it off me will get a swift kick up the arse with my size nine motorcycle boots.

[jimbo600]

Can't Pay ?

Won't Pay !

That was the poll tax thing right? What happened there. Did it stick around are did it go. I remember there was plenty of juicy riot action.

[Deano]

Now I can laugh at people with big bikes.. *HAHA*

Bitch...............

[Ender EnZed]

Can't Pay ?

Won't Pay !

Exactly. We can just collect heaps of fines then have them written off like the boy racers do.

[dogsnbikes]

Hmmmm 6 bikes maybe I could paint then all Identical one rego one plate:lol:

oh now the plotting begins:rolleyes:

[Str8 Jacket]

What people may also not know is that LTNZ send you to Baycorp after about a year for not keeping your regos up to date. Sure we could all put our regos on hold but they will start to limit that as well. They *will* get there money. In fact they could probably sell it as "creating more jobs".

[rustic101]

fighting the bastards:2guns:

[Kendog]

Selling mine. (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=247474432)

[mossy1200]

Selling mine. (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=247474432)

Your asking 6grand more than its worth today.Should have sold last week.

[manicmedic]

If it stays, my cheap commute is very expensive (DR650), I'll sell and change where I work too as I'm not doing a 100k round trip on a 50!

[Kendog]

Your asking 6grand more than its worth today.Should have sold last week.

The auction started two weeks ago, ACC have probably fucked the resale value now :mad:

[ital916]

The auction started two weeks ago, ACC have probably fucked the resale value now :mad:

Ill give you six k. :cool::buggerd:

[Ender EnZed]

The auction started two weeks ago, ACC have probably fucked the resale value now :mad:

Only by a lot.

[BuckBuck#1]

ACC Levy

I hope the consultation process and submissions do shake things up.

I think the proposed cost structure based on engine capacity is flawed and hopefully floored.

Pretty strong possibility the CB900 will be sold.

[Mikkel]

Probably pay rego on my 576 ccm "commuter" and refrain from paying rego on my 750 ccm weekend/track toy.

So, then it would remain just about the same as it is now.

[NinjaNanna]

If it all comes to pass I'm thinking the drop in market value will mean that mine will become a trackday bike, $1600 saving on rego and insurance will pay for a lot of track days.

Plus I'm picking with the increased popularity they'll become more regular as well - like maybe every 2nd saturday hopefully.

[Danae]

If this huge increase does go through, I'll probably pay for a year's rego before it takes effect. Then I shalt not pay.

[Mom]

I won't sell but I'm not going to be paying almost half what my bikes worth for rego unless they raise the penalty to imprisonment. Or I get pulled over lots.

I wont sell either, but have to admit paying almost as much as the bike cost each year to "legally" ride it on the road sucks.

I love riding my blue lovely far too much to give it up, I may however have to look at rego on hold for a period of time and simply not ride her ;)

[sunhuntin]

i will buy a years worth before the changes take effect, but if they are as high as suggested, i will be forced into selling. i wont like it, but wont have any other option.

[R1madness]

I can see an old breed of renigade bikers reforming in the very near future. They will be the 21st century version of biker clubs from the 70s. they will buy or steal themselves a GSXR1000, R1, CBR1000 or ZX10. Not register it. Steal a number plate from someones scooter and ride the wheels off it. Never stop at check points and do a runner at every oppertunity. Some will die trying to get away and others will manage to escape. Motorcycling will become the hangout of the fringe element of society once again.

[DarkLord]

This is all fantastic news for those such as myself who have recently acquired their full license and were/are looking forward to selling off their 250 and getting something with a bit of grunt.

Hell, I don't care. They won't stop me. I'll get my next bike.

[Ender EnZed]

I can see an old breed of renigade bikers reforming in the very near future. They will be the 21st century version of biker clubs from the 70s. they will buy or steal themselves a GSXR1000, R1, CBR1000 or ZX10. Not register it. Steal a number plate from someones scooter and ride the wheels off it. Never stop at check points and do a runner at every oppertunity. Some will die trying to get away and others will manage to escape. Motorcycling will become the hangout of the fringe element of society once again.

Most motorcyclists are too old and fat for that.

[Gezza]

When the hell is Nick the Dick Smith planning on implementing this crap?? Talk it will be at the end of the financial year March 10. Does anyone know for certain. I for one am not going to let the government run me out of town.They can go to hell.

[R1madness]

Most motorcyclists are too old and fat for that.

Not in my experiance mate. Most of my customers are in the 30 - 50 bracket. Even fat old riders can get a hussle on if motivated in the right way. Remember old does not mean slow it usually means experenced and reserved but with more knowledge and skill than young and thrusty riders who often rely on luck to get around the corner.
There are plenty left who will ride bikes despite the govt interferance but will be law breakers and criminals while doin it. Then resort back to their "normal" life when finished their ride

[Voltaire]

That was the poll tax thing right? What happened there. Did it stick around are did it go. I remember there was plenty of juicy riot action.


I was in London for the Poll Tax, we were in Lambeth and it was 250 quid but two streets away in Wandworth it was a lot less.
We managed to avoid it....but one flatmate tried to join the library and got whacked for 250.
I think they re branded it .....
We usen't pay the tv licence either but had the form filled in by the door just in case.....ah great days of bucking the system.:headbang::headbang:
Always had MOT and tax though on the bike though....

[kwaka_crasher]

So the question is "sell or keep?" and the answers are "yes" and "no"? What a fucked up poll.

[The Stranger]

Just a query on who will give up motorcycling due to the ACC raping?


No need, I have the answer (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=109956) already

[Laxi]

I can see an old breed of renigade bikers reforming in the very near future. They will be the 21st century version of biker clubs from the 70s. they will buy or steal themselves a GSXR1000, R1, CBR1000 or ZX10. Not register it. Steal a number plate from someones scooter and ride the wheels off it. Never stop at check points and do a runner at every oppertunity. Some will die trying to get away and others will manage to escape. Motorcycling will become the hangout of the fringe element of society once again.

been thinking about that, bit ironic isn't if ACC starts forking out crap loads to people doing the bolt because tehy dont have a registered bike? hmm what a coinsidense that the other day they came up with "no ACC when commiting a crime " huh" wankers:mad:

[R1madness]

funny sad and true. Well put Stranger

[gwigs]

I have a GSX1100:crybaby::crybaby::crybaby:
Wont sell it but probably only will ride it 6 months of the year...
BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!:angry2::angry2:

[R1madness]

Valid point Laxi. But i doubt that will worry the future renigades. The riders that are already considering this as an option have probibly done similar things in the past. They accept the consiquences of their actions by dieing in pain alone at the side of the road. But then again lots of them live their life in a similar way. On the edge, havin fun and riskin it all.

[Number One]

Now I can laugh at people with big bikes.. *HAHA*
Bite me biyach! Mine just sneaks into the fully arse raped bracket and shit I have been bummed that I just paid for a years rego on it. I guess it's the 'currently cheap' fee paid but I'm really wondering about whether I bother keeping it on the road when the van and the car are more versatile...Sully won't give up on the bike transport capable Dirty White Van. Perhaps racing is where it's at in the future

[Ender EnZed]

Not in my experiance mate. Most of my customers are in the 30 - 50 bracket. Even fat old riders can get a hussle on if motivated in the right way. Remember old does not mean slow it usually means experenced and reserved but with more knowledge and skill than young and thrusty riders who often rely on luck to get around the corner.
There are plenty left who will ride bikes despite the govt interferance but will be law breakers and criminals while doin it. Then resort back to their "normal" life when finished their ride

Criminals with no rego? Yes. Stealing gixxer thous and doing a runner at every opportunity? Probably not. Admittedly I don't know your customers.

And 30 is old.

[Drunken Monkey]

...Never stop at check points and do a runner at every oppertunity. ...

Why? I have access to a Zebra printer (prints RUCs), Gimp is a free form of photoshop. Checkpoints only ever make visual inspections.

[BMWST?]

R 100 GS is only 100 cc innit?

[cs363]

People.....remember these are currently only proposals. Nothing has been decided, and judging by the ground swell of opposition to the changes not too much of the current proposals will actually make it through to the final legislation in their present form.

This is the reply from ACC to my submission:

Thank you for taking the time to let us know what you think of the proposed 2010/11 levy rates.

We have received your submission and it will be considered by the ACC Board as part of our process for preparing recommendations to the Government. These recommendations will be published in all major newspapers during November 2009 and on our website, at www.acc.co.nz/consultation. We will also contact you at this time to let you know what the recommendations are.

It is anticipated that the final decisions on levy rates will be made by the Government in December 2009. In making these decisions, the Government may choose to accept, reject or modify ACC’s recommendations.

If you have any further queries please email us at consultation@acc.co.nz or contact us on 0800 ACC RATES (0800 222 7283).

Yours sincerely

Keith McLea
General Manager, ACC Insurance

I am also reliably informed that the decision making process could well drag out into the New Year and then whatever is decided will not become law until around June/July 2010.
The only certainty is that there will be changes to ACC, outside of that it's wait and see and make your opposition known at this stage.

[Qkchk]

Why haven't we got an option for 'Fighting for your rights so we don't have to make a decision to sell'.

The way you guys are talking, it sounds like the govt has already won... :oi-grr:

[rok-the-boat]

I'll just take my plate off and use it off road.

[cs363]

Why haven't we got an option for 'Fighting for your rights so we don't have to make a decision to sell'.

The way you guys are talking, it sounds like the govt has already won... :oi-grr:

Well said, I'd bling you but apparently I've run out for 24 hours... :)

[gwigs]

If you decide to sell, who will want to buy your bikes ?
Especially if its over 600cc...:buggerd:

[BMWST?]

i wont sell even if i only have 60HP and 1000cc...

[Indiana_Jones]

Seeing as my bike is worthless at the proposed rates, not fucking likely.

-Indy

[cs363]

R 100 GS is only 100 cc innit?

I reckon you could just about get away with that, at least at the Post Office.....might be different if you get pulled up though.
Still, like the way you're thinking! :lol:

[The Stranger]

People.....remember these are currently only proposals. Nothing has been decided, and judging by the ground swell of opposition to the changes not too much of the current proposals will actually make it through to the final legislation in their present form.

This is the reply from ACC to my submission:

--------Standard stall bullshit omitted for brevity--------

I am also reliably informed that the decision making process could well drag out into the New Year and then whatever is decided will not become law until around June/July 2010.
The only certainty is that there will be changes to ACC, outside of that it's wait and see and make your opposition known at this stage.

No sir, sorry. They are flying a kite right now. If it stays up they WILL implement the changes as proposed. If there is massive opposition and they fear for their jobs and perks (the only real language politicians understand) the proposals will be changed. Hit it now and hit it hard

[mossy1200]

Seeing as my bike is worthless at the proposed rates, not fucking likely.

-Indy

Dont worry Indy.Just stick some Marlo Brandons in your tight T sleeve and be a Triumph rebel with no rego.

[cs363]

No sir, sorry. They are flying a kite right now. If it stays up they WILL implement the changes as proposed. If there is massive opposition and they fear for their jobs and perks (the only real language politicians understand) the proposals will be changed. Hit it now and hit it hard

Not disagreeing regarding kite flying etc., not so sure that they will implement changes as proposed. I tend to agree with those that think they are hitting us with an outrageous figure to soften us up for something a little less, say around $500 for the ACC component. The point I was trying to make (perhaps not well) is that these are proposals at this stage, many people seem to think the changes have already been enacted.

However, regardless of our differing viewpoints on that, I wholeheartedly agree that now is the time to protest. Apathy will certainly get us nowhere.

If anyone hasn't already done so, write/email the PM, Nick Smith and your local MP at the minimum, make a submission to ACC (before November 10th) and shell out $20 and join BRONZ and lets fight these fuckers.

[JATZ]

Why? I have access to a Zebra printer (prints RUCs), Gimp is a free form of photoshop. Checkpoints only ever make visual inspections.

Works well that trick....... untill they shine a light on your rego at night.

the question... "will I sell my bike"

LIKE FUCK I WILL, not even 1 of them, nanny state will not take this one bit of fredom away

[oldrider]

Just a query on who will give up motorcycling due to the ACC raping?

Must admit I probably will. Don't get me wrong I love riding the scooter. But what with the over zealous road policing debacle, Takas rooted for the next 2 years and now this? I'll fight it all the way, but if Nick Smith gets his way I feel that the the burden just isn't worth carrying.

Unfortunately for those of us who want to continue to ride, (without consequence of infringement) number three is our only choice, in the mean time! Bastards!

I voted National in preference over Liabour, waste of time, no difference! (never has been)

I will vote Libertarianz next time, in preference to "all of the other left wing collectivists"!

[Indiana_Jones]

Dont worry Indy.Just stick some Marlo Brandons in your tight T sleeve and be a Triumph rebel with no rego.

Should we take the Paul Henry approach and start a group?


<img src="http://rockabilly.blig.ig.com.br/imagens/lordsofflatbushbigpic.jpg">

We'll look so cool!

-Indy

[gwigs]

Dont worry Indy.Just stick some Marlo Brandons in your tight T sleeve and be a Triumph rebel with no rego.

We should all become Rebels Without Rego.....
What if we all stopped paying it ?

[SlowHand]

If you decide to sell, who will want to buy your bikes ?
Especially if its over 600cc...:buggerd:

I like bargains.

[Indiana_Jones]

We should all become Rebels Without Rego.....
What if we all stopped paying it ?

I donno bro, you got a Triumph?

-Indy

[Ender EnZed]

We should all become Rebels Without Rego.....
What if we all stopped paying it ?

We need to develop some moral outrage to direct at those who do pay it.

[Ronin]

Racing is where its at. Everyone should just put their regos on hold and race their bikes instead. We could afford to hold races every fornight if we paid our "rego" to a new Org that would run and organise, or maybe fund Vic Club to do it.

I have a dream anyway...

The ironic thing is that if you crash your unregistered race bike on the track.... you will get ACC :clap:

[SARGE]

" come in base .. i am in pursuit of a loud blue and white bike with no rego displayed .. rider has black leathers and a black helmet...clocked at 250 plus .."


fuck selling .. fuck paying



good luck boys .. :Police:

[pete376403]

Get a KLR600 barrel and get the bike re-vinned as a 600 (598 actually). then get a 705 kit installed. fuck'em!

[FROSTY]

I hesitate to suggest this but dya know that as a dealer you can ride ANY bike with a current WOF on ONE plate. (yellow dealer plate)
So those of ya with a bunch of bikes itll cost ya the $700 a year for your plate. Good news too is that as a dealer the bike rego automaticly goes on hold for 2 years.--end of the two ya rego for 1 month and the two years starts again.

[cs363]

I hesitate to suggest this but dya know that as a dealer you can ride ANY bike with a current WOF on ONE plate. (yellow dealer plate)
So those of ya with a bunch of bikes itll cost ya the $700 a year for your plate. Good news too is that as a dealer the bike rego automaticly goes on hold for 2 years.--end of the two ya rego for 1 month and the two years starts again.

Hmm..funny, we were talking about this today....

So besides the $700 what else do you need to do to get a dealer plate, or is it that easy now?

[peasea]

I hesitate to suggest this but dya know that as a dealer you can ride ANY bike with a current WOF on ONE plate. (yellow dealer plate)
So those of ya with a bunch of bikes itll cost ya the $700 a year for your plate. Good news too is that as a dealer the bike rego automaticly goes on hold for 2 years.--end of the two ya rego for 1 month and the two years starts again.

Do you have to be a member of the LMVD to obtain said plate?

[peasea]

Get a KLR600 barrel and get the bike re-vinned as a 600 (598 actually). then get a 705 kit installed. fuck'em!

I was thinking of trying that myself, different bike but same game plan. Fuck em is right.

Tell you what, has this has glued the biking fraternity together or what???:headbang:

[Nick from the nick]

How about we get it so no one pays and see where else the wankers can raise that sort of money can't see cage drivers paying up either:oi-grr:

[FROSTY]

nope--get a dalers licence and apply for a plate.
Again Not that I'm suggesting it as it hints at illegal.
I wouldn't suggest for example that a dealership called peasea inc was started -or perhaps a bike workshop that did lots of test rides perhaps requiring multiple plates for its "staff" nationwide.

[cs363]

nope--get a dalers licence and apply for a plate.
Again Not that I'm suggesting it as it hints at illegal.
I wouldn't suggest for example that a dealership called peasea inc was started -or perhaps a bike workshop that did lots of test rides perhaps requiring multiple plates for its "staff" nationwide.

Hmmm, :mobile: "Nick Smith Motorcycle Services here, I'd like to order 10,000 dealer plates please...." :laugh:

[ready4whatever]

"Officer its an R1, 100 cc" ;)

[Number One]

If you decide to sell, who will want to buy your bikes ?
Especially if its over 600cc...:buggerd:
Sell?! Nope but if the changes go through I might not keep it on the the road - alteast not all year. When you have several other vehicles running it becomes a question of having to be a bit realistic about the 'toys'

[Pixie]

They will have to prise the throttle out of my cold dead hand to make me quit

[george formby]

They will have to prise the throttle out of my cold dead hand to make me quit

:headbang: If it comes to the crunch I will only ride 6 months of the year on the road & spend 6 months gouging the countryside. As much as I stamp my feet & clench my fists, compared to what I spend on the bike on an annual basis the proposed levies are a frustrating pain in the anus rather than a reason to stop riding. Sheesh.

[Drunken Monkey]

Works well that trick....... untill they shine a light on your rego at night.

Erm, same labels, not plain paper, so not a problem...

[White trash]

Just a query on who will give up motorcycling due to the ACC raping?

Must admit I probably will. Don't get me wrong I love riding the scooter. But what with the over zealous road policing debacle, Takas rooted for the next 2 years and now this? I'll fight it all the way, but if Nick Smith gets his way I feel that the the burden just isn't worth carrying.
You call what you do on a bike "riding" anyway?

Jesus christ, Ray Charles showd more promise as a rider than you do. Anyway, I wont sell my bike. I'll just never register it, don't give a fuck. It's only ever going to do 30 kays a year to keep it from blowing up anyway.

[KiwiGs]

Hmmm I wonder if when I get my GS1000 revinned, I can get it vinned as a GS600 instead of a GS1000. Just need to change the 997 on the barrels to a 597. Now where did I put that file and transfer punch set.:lol:
Back to the OP I wont sell but I will only have one of my bikes registered at a time.

[jimbo600]

You call what you do on a bike "riding" anyway?

Jesus christ, Ray Charles showd more promise as a rider than you do. Anyway, I wont sell my bike. I'll just never register it, don't give a fuck. It's only ever going to do 30 kays a year to keep it from blowing up anyway.

Well I sure as fuck don't call it being run over by my own bike and losing a sneaker while I'm at it riding.

You're right though. I had a long..........well short actually, think on things and thought, "well fuck me I'm a photoshop guru, how easy it would be to knock up my own rego."

So I'll still wobble around on the scooter with pretty pukka looking regos.

[davebullet]

Hmmm I wonder if when I get my GS1000 revinned, I can get it vinned as a GS600 instead of a GS1000. Just need to change the 997 on the barrels to a 597. Now where did I put that file and transfer punch set.:lol:
Back to the OP I wont sell but I will only have one of my bikes registered at a time.

Take out a plug and run it as a thumper on the way to get it vinned. Say one of the cylinders is poked and it's just acting as balast. Hey presto - 500cc machine.

[pete376403]

Why? I have access to a Zebra printer (prints RUCs), Gimp is a free form of photoshop. Checkpoints only ever make visual inspections.
And I know where I could get some rolls of registration sticker paper (the real thing)

[NighthawkNZ]

Just a query on who will give up motorcycling due to the ACC raping?

if every one sells... the more important question is... who will buy?

[Cheshire Cat]

NEVER STOP RIDING!!!:headbang:

[Gareth51]

BREAKING NEWS
Wellington city is brought to a standstill today as an estimated 45,000 motorcyclists from all over New Zealand ride to parliament to protest over the dramatic rise in ACC levies.
Because of the number of motorcyclists police were unable to get to parliament to stop carver from doing wheelies in the corridors

[metalslug]

I can see an old breed of renigade bikers reforming in the very near future. They will be the 21st century version of biker clubs from the 70s. they will buy or steal themselves a GSXR1000, R1, CBR1000 or ZX10. Not register it. Steal a number plate from someones scooter and ride the wheels off it. Never stop at check points and do a runner at every oppertunity. Some will die trying to get away and others will manage to escape. Motorcycling will become the hangout of the fringe element of society once again.

the way it should be

[carver]

BREAKING NEWS
Wellington city is brought to a standstill today as an estimated 45,000 motorcyclists from all over New Zealand ride to parliament to protest over the dramatic rise in ACC levies.
Because of the number of motorcyclists police were unable to get to parliament to stop carver from doing wheelies in the corridors

You know, it would be a epic stunt!

[biggles1]

I dont know how I must of had a intuition that something was afoot as the day before this bombshell was dropped on us I traded the Firestorm for a CBR 400RR and some dosh. Wont make the problem go away but makes it a little easier to manage.CBR will be a trackday and a scracha for fun bike.