A vote for change?

[FJRider]

With the proposed changes to ACC levies, that will be added to registration costs.... would it cause you vote differently in the next election ????

[paddy]

I don't personally vote based on a single criteria.

[Naki Rat]

Following the "Who's Next" tack in regard to where ACC, and for that matter the government, is forced to act in order to keep afloat during this recession there's still a lot of water to flow under the bridge before the next election.
And in the interim this issue will likely pale into insignificance.

[YellowDog]

There are many issues as to why you vote for a political party.

Whilst this is an importanmt issue, there are more important ones.

Ignorance and utter stupidity is a key influencer.

[Motu]

I didn't vote this lot in,I didn't vote the last lot in,and I won't vote the next lot in - but I will be voting.

[Mully]

Nah - the other lot would be doing the same thing anyway.

People have to realise that politicians aren't there to make the voter's lives easier. Never have been. Never will be

[sunhuntin]

I didn't vote this lot in,I didn't vote the last lot in,and I won't vote the next lot in - but I will be voting.

same here. i always vote the same, each and every time. and neither of the ones that get my votes are national or labour. and i vote the same way for mayoral elections as well.

[dipshit]

Don't vote for any of them! It only encourages them!

Same old shit every few years. People running backwards and forwards between the two like the good little sheep they are.

[oldrider]

With the proposed changes to ACC levies, that will be added to registration costs.... would it cause you vote differently in the next election ????

Yes, I voted National rather than have a Liabour government again but next time I will vote Libertarianz where I wanted to put my vote anyway!

I have lived under successive Labour-National governments for seventy years now and I can not yet tell the difference between the changes, based on outcomes!

New Zealand is a socialist state, bordering on communism, the only difference (so far) is the absence of "visible" guns to keep us under control! :headbang:

But remember, it is that way because the majority of New Zealanders are pseudo communists anyway!

The politicians just cut their cloth to woo the voting public, so go figure! :Pokey:

[AllanB]

I'll wait and see.

Who knows what the F will be happening in 2 years.

Auntie Helen may be back after her sex change....... (Uncle Harry?).

[FJRider]

:2thumbsup


I have lived under successive Labour-National governments for seventy years now and I can not yet tell the difference between the changes, based on outcomes!

New Zealand is a socialist state, bordering on communism, the only difference (so far) is the absence of "visible" guns to keep us under control! :headbang:

But remember, it is that way because the majority of New Zealanders are pseudo communists anyway!

:Pokey:

I have too ... but not for as many years .... oh to be as lucky as to live so long. :whistle:

I would rather a "Socialist" state than a "Police" state ... I can assure you. :rolleyes:

There are STILL plenty of "freedoms" to dissappear yet .... and untill they do.... NZ still isn't a bad (or that expensive) a place to live .... :2thumbsup

[Cheshire Cat]

they really do have us in their grip, don't they.

[dipshit]

they really do have us in their grip, don't they.

The whole system is just to maintain a delusion of democracy.

[Cheshire Cat]

The whole system is just to maintain a delusion of democracy.

yea, and people actually think this is the way its meant to be!:oi-grr:

[Coldrider]

It is an ACC issue at the end of the day, we are all chucking a few quid in to hat to help everyone out. If it was privatised it would be like paying a premium whether we called upon it or not, but alot more expensive than cost recovery.

[FJRider]

The whole system is just to maintain a delusion of democracy.

Democracy... you elect the people you want, to do whatever they think is good for us all ...

[dipshit]

Democracy... you elect the people you want, to do whatever they think is good for us all ...

Ah, but are they the ones really calling the shots..???

[Cheshire Cat]

Ah, but are they are the ones really calling the shots..???

no. FTAGAB

fuck the american government and banks

[cc rider]

Pardon my ignorance folks, but how far off is your next election?

[FJRider]

Pardon my ignorance folks, but how far off is your next election?

The best part of two years ... consider ignorance pardoned ...

[oldrider]

Pardon my ignorance folks, but how far off is your next election?

Our tri-annual election is equivalent to re arranging the deck chairs for the officers of the Titanic to sit in and it is about two years away! :rolleyes:

[Motu]

At least we have always had a system where we don't have to vote for the main parties.If we all used our brains and didn't vote for the main players...then someone else really different would get to run the country,now wouldn't that be fun!

[FJRider]

65 voters, with a clear percentage that say they will vote DIFFERENTLY ...... mmmmm food for thought for any politician's that may visit this site ... :rockon:

[NONONO]

Yes, I voted National rather than have a Liabour government again but next time I will vote Libertarianz where I wanted to put my vote anyway!

I have lived under successive Labour-National governments for seventy years now and I can not yet tell the difference between the changes, based on outcomes!

New Zealand is a socialist state, bordering on communism, the only difference (so far) is the absence of "visible" guns to keep us under control! :headbang:

But remember, it is that way because the majority of New Zealanders are pseudo communists anyway!

The politicians just cut their cloth to woo the voting public, so go figure! :Pokey:
Oh for fucks sake.
I almost pissed myself laughing at this one,
A socialist state? Pseudo communists?
How sodding mad are you ?

[mctshirt]

Yes, I voted National rather than have a Liabour government again but next time I will vote Libertarianz where I wanted to put my vote anyway!

I have lived under successive Labour-National governments for seventy years now and I can not yet tell the difference between the changes, based on outcomes!

New Zealand is a socialist state, bordering on communism, the only difference (so far) is the absence of "visible" guns to keep us under control! :headbang:

But remember, it is that way because the majority of New Zealanders are pseudo communists anyway!

The politicians just cut their cloth to woo the voting public, so go figure! :Pokey:

...and Jewish bankers run the world and I was the man on the grassy knoll and Bin Laden is living at a bach with Elvis in the Coromandel :whocares:

Increased motorcycle registration isn't that bigger deal compared to Labour closing down schools...Bill and Ben will retain my vote :yes:

[StoneY]

65 voters, with a clear percentage that say they will vote DIFFERENTLY ...... mmmmm food for thought for any politician's that may visit this site ... :rockon:

But that's today mate, the way they 'feel' right now with all of us so pissed off

If it goes through, in 2 years the Nats voters of last round will have been brainwashed into thinking it was for all our good, and will still vote for JK and privatization

Ask this question on a SEEK poll or a TARD ME Poll...
KB users aint gonna swing no ones vote....50,000 bikers nationwide will, but little old KB forum users will hardly pop a pimple on the vote counters asshole

[short-circuit]

Oh for fucks sake.
I almost pissed myself laughing at this one,
A socialist state? Pseudo communists?
How sodding mad are you ?

He's either brain damaged or he's more right wing than Hitler and Genghis Khan put together

[short-circuit]

But that's today mate, the way they 'feel' right now with all of us so pissed off

If it goes through, in 2 years the Nats voters of last round will have been brainwashed into thinking it was for all our good, and will still vote for JK and privatization

Exactly - all the destructuring and reform in the first year / second year (for your own good), then propaganda, bribes and a few inconsequential sweetners at the end...

combine this with NZers collective ignorance, apathy, poor education and a world cup victory (oh god please no) and we're fucked.

[StoneY]

...and Jewish bankers run the world and I was the man on the grassy knoll and Bin Laden is living at a bach with Elvis in the Coromandel :whocares:

Increased motorcycle registration isn't that bigger deal compared to Labour closing down schools...Bill and Ben will retain my vote :yes:

I worked at ERO when them schools were closed, and fact remains, sad as it was, close 1 of 10 schools to save 4 of the ten becoming BANKRUPT!

And that's largely due to the neglect the Education System had suffered under ALL previous fucking govt's (nats and labour, so fuck it blame who?)

And after 2 years of studying the results, it was largely successful in what it tried to achieve, and that was to supply a Teacher for EVERY classroom, (let alone keep many struggling school boards SOLVENT but what the fuck, why let FACTS upset YOUR trolley cart dude)

National would have closed 3 of ten and sold the fuckin land to make a profit, I know I was at the select comitee meetings where your wonderful John Key was telling Labour they were not closing enough 'non performing schools' and his idea of performance was how much budget remained each year

Bah humbug....threads lost its way already.
FJ start another one man the emotional dribble has overflowed again

[mctshirt]

I worked at ERO when them schools were closed, and fact remains, sad as it was, close 1 of 10 schools to save 4 of the ten becoming BANKRUPT!

And that's largely due to the neglect the Education System had suffered under ALL previous fucking govt's (nats and labour, so fuck it blame who?)

And after 2 years of studying the results, it was largely successful in what it tried to achieve, and that was to supply a Teacher for EVERY classroom, (let alone keep many struggling school boards SOLVENT but what the fuck, why let FACTS upset YOUR trolley cart dude)

National would have closed 3 of ten and sold the fuckin land to make a profit, I know I was at the select comitee meetings where your wonderful John Key was telling Labour they were not closing enough 'non performing schools' and his idea of performance was how much budget remained each year

Bah humbug....threads lost its way already.
FJ start another one man the emotional dribble has overflowed again

A little defensive aren't we? :blink:

My point remains the ACC levy for motorcycles is not an issue that swings my vote...

[Robert Taylor]

A little defensive aren't we? :blink:

My point remains the ACC levy for motorcycles is not an issue that swings my vote...

I have to agree with that balanced standpoint.
The Government has indeed got it wrong on the ACC levy for motorcyclists, when they should have looked at disallowing sporting injuries being covered by ACC. AND auditing what all subcontractors and specialists are charging ACC, etc. For too long its been a gravy train.
But as with any singular issue that affected groups feel persecuted by its all too easy to say ''change the Government.''
The National led Government is one that I voted for ( and always have with a proud record of never having voted for a leftist party ) This singular ACC issue in no way will sway me from repeating my voting preference in 2 years time.

[Jantar]

...My point remains the ACC levy for motorcycles is not an issue that swings my vote...
It will change half of my vote. I split it last election National/Act. Now it will be Act/Act.

[short-circuit]

I have to agree with that balanced standpoint.
The Government has indeed got it wrong on the ACC levy for motorcyclists, when they should have looked at disallowing sporting injuries being covered by ACC. AND auditing what all subcontractors and specialists are charging ACC, etc. For too long its been a gravy train.
But as with any singular issue that affected groups feel persecuted by its all too easy to say ''change the Government.''
The National led Government is one that I voted for ( and always have with a proud record of never having voted for a leftist party ) This singular ACC issue in no way will sway me from repeating my voting preference in 2 years time.

I agree that single issues should not sway ones vote, but this just the politics of user pays, privatisation and the dismantling of the public service - Trademark National Party....and it happens to affect bikers in a very direct way (which is quite ironic given the amount of KBers who seem to have voted for these pricks)

The ideology that drives these policies is shortsighted and primitive. You as a supporter of this government are both of these things....and well as being possibly more indoctrinated than a destiny church member.

[Robert Taylor]

I agree that single issues should not sway ones vote, but this just the politics of user pays, privatisation and the dismantling of the public service - Trademark National Party....and it happens to affect bikers in a very direct way (which is quite ironic given the amount of KBers who seem to have voted for these pricks)

The ideology that drives these policies is shortsighted and primitive. You as a supporter of this government are both of these things....and well as being possibly more indoctrinated than a destiny church member.

I absolutely do not agree, I am after a fair deal for everyone and privatisation is a more equitable and lees ''subsidorial'' system. I firmly believe that ''compassionate conservatism'' is in the end event a better system than what we had under a spendthrift and blindly socialist Labour administration. For which in part we are now paying the price.
If anything the National party needs to move its policies further to the right. But one thing I do agree on is capital gains tax for owners of multiple houses, our economies have been based too much on speculation rather than productivity. Interesting that most political parties support this.
I dont entirely agree with the added levy to motorcyclists but we should also put the heat on those motorcyclists who give the majority a bad name.
It is also fair to point out where money is blindly wasted in ACC. It should not be covering sporting injuries for which people should have private cover, it should also not be a gravy train for specialists who are charging excessively.
If anything employers should feel just as or even more aggrieved with their levies than motorcyclists?

[Blue TLS]

I don't understand how john key got elected in the first place with all his pre-election fumbles and all. he was actually reported as saying he wouldnt touch acc and overheard saying to someone next to him not yet anyway and by golly look what he's doing

If you voted national and this thing passes I sure hope you will pay my acc levies cos i blame you

Oh yeah, and acc aint broke they just got a $700,000,000 yes seven hundred million dollar return on investments kinda makes them and the nats look like a bunch of lying tossers

John Key, I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire:mad:

[Robert Taylor]

I don't understand how john key got elected in the first place with all his pre-election fumbles and all. he was actually reported as saying he wouldnt touch acc and overheard saying to someone next to him not yet anyway and by golly look what he's doing

If you voted national and this thing passes I sure hope you will pay my acc levies cos i blame you

Oh yeah, and acc aint broke they just got a $700,000,000 yes seven hundred million dollar return on investments kinda makes them and the nats look like a bunch of lying tossers

John Key, I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire:mad:

Employers have been subsidising other sectors of society for years through their acc levies. Have we been as voiciferous in how it hits our pockets?
The current National Government has the same problem as the last, they inherited a cupboard that was empty.
I sympathise with motorcyclists as there are great economies that could be effected in other areas. But it in no way is going to alter my voting pattern, certainly not on a singular issue.

[NONONO]

Compassionate Conservatism?????????????
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL:laugh:
Fuckwit!

[Skyryder]

I worked at ERO when them schools were closed, and fact remains, sad as it was, close 1 of 10 schools to save 4 of the ten becoming BANKRUPT!

And that's largely due to the neglect the Education System had suffered under ALL previous fucking govt's (nats and labour, so fuck it blame who?)

And after 2 years of studying the results, it was largely successful in what it tried to achieve, and that was to supply a Teacher for EVERY classroom, (let alone keep many struggling school boards SOLVENT but what the fuck, why let FACTS upset YOUR trolley cart dude)

National would have closed 3 of ten and sold the fuckin land to make a profit, I know I was at the select comitee meetings where your wonderful John Key was telling Labour they were not closing enough 'non performing schools' and his idea of performance was how much budget remained each year

Bah humbug....threads lost its way already.
FJ start another one man the emotional dribble has overflowed again

If anyone wants to know just how bad Anne Tolly is she came to a hairs breadth of signing off 700 teachers not so long ago. Even the dumb arse Cabinet of Key's gave this aproval. It wasn't untill someone from the ministry told Tolly that she was signing off 700 current jobs and not as she thought 700 teaching vacancies. Thank god my kids are no longer at school but for those of you whose kids are ya better keep an eye on this woman. SHE HAS NO IDEA OF WHAT SHE IS DOING.

Skyryder

[NONONO]

I am a member of the Compassionate Conservatives Club.
Also a member of the Vegetarians Chapter of Ronald McDonald Supporters Guild.
And a financial member of the Lesbians Love Trouser Snakes Party......

[Skyryder]

Employers have been subsidising other sectors of society for years through their acc levies. Have we been as voiciferous in how it hits our pockets?
The current National Government has the same problem as the last, they inherited a cupboard that was empty.
I sympathise with motorcyclists as there are great economies that could be effected in other areas. But it in no way is going to alter my voting pattern, certainly not on a singular issue.

Oh give me break.......................please.

The cost of government protection of Anglo-Australian mining giant Rio Tinto from carbon and electricity charges means taxpayers will pay the equivalent of $225,000 for each job at the Tiwai Point aluminium smelter, says a carbon expert.

"It would be cheaper for the New Zealand taxpayer to pay every single Tiwai Point worker and contractor $200,000 per annum for the rest of their lives to simply stay home," said Kent Duston of Wellington-based Autonomic Consulting.

From

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/climate-change/news/article.cfm?c_id=26&objectid=10605697

Jeezz I could give you a whole history of the taxpayer subsidizing buisness under Labour. But when it comes to good old fashioned abuse of the taxpayer the ACC shambles is just a drop in the ocean. For unparalled abuse of the taxpayer the Nats are in a league of their own.

Skyryder

[Laxi]

and atleast labour could lie well, these dickheads just seem to stick thier heads in the sand and think everyone's buying their spin crap

[Robert Taylor]

and atleast labour could lie well, these dickheads just seem to stick thier heads in the sand and think everyone's buying their spin crap

Yes but that other mottly lot were firmly ejected, why was that?

[Laxi]

Yes but that other mottly lot were firmly ejected, why was that?

cause too many dipshits thought voting natzional was a good idea

[SPman]

Ignorance and utter stupidity is a Key influencer.

Couldn't have said it better meself..........

[SPman]

Yes but that other mottly lot were firmly ejected, why was that?
They were well past their use by date?

[Robert Taylor]

They were well past their use by date?

And so is many facets of ACC!

[NONONO]

And so is many facets of ACC!

Total Fuckwit!!

[Robert Taylor]

Total Fuckwit!!

Well if you are representing ''the left'' you are not setting a good example are you?
ACC needs a thorough overhaul, it doesnt need to be paying for sporting injuries ( as I have suggested previously ) and it doesnt need to be ripped off by sub contractors to it hiking their charges.
Yes, the charges on motorcyclists are unfair, no argument on that basic premise.

[NONONO]

Representing who? The left?
The left what? There is no left in NZ. Only the left over.
Have the courage of your convictions and don't try to hide behind this "soft" right stance...concerned capitalism, (Feltex) or right of center liberal. What bullshit.
Who gives a shit?
Support us or fuck off.......Simple choice.
As for right wing? Fuck you and your tree hugging, re cycling, eco friendly, carbon trading consumer driven society.
You aint seen nothing yet!
I consider you a monKEY..
And monKEY do as monKEY see

[TygerTung]

I do not think privatisation is a good idea, state owned enterprise is the way to go. Look at electricity, that used to be really cheap, then the government sold it off. Now it is rather pricey.

[Robert Taylor]

Most motorcyclists are respectable and for the most part law abiding citizens, but it has popped into recent conversation that there is an element that do the image of motorcyclists no good at all. Particularly those that are contemptuous, antagonistic and debase their language to the gutter.
To that end I am sure it is not lost on many that it is vitally important that those who are talking directly with the politicians are doing so in a well articulated, well researched and polite manner. If they know their subject and can articulate it well then there is at least a chance of some compromise.
I went to High School with my local mp ( Jonathan Young ) and he is a reasonable guy.

[NONONO]

Most motorcyclists are respectable and for the most part law abiding citizens, but it has popped into recent conversation that there is an element that do the image of motorcyclists no good at all. Particularly those that are contemptuous, antagonistic and debase their language to the gutter.
To that end I am sure it is not lost on many that it is vitally important that those who are talking directly with the politicians are doing so in a well articulated, well researched and polite manner. If they know their subject and can articulate it well then there is at least a chance of some compromise.
I went to High School with my local mp ( Jonathan Young ) and he is a reasonable guy.
Are you for real?
FFS "the language of the gutter"? A literary critic? Or just another poseur?
As I said...Total Fuckwit, NO...Total and Utter Fuckwit...

[Robert Taylor]

Are you for real?
FFS "the language of the gutter"? A literary critic? Or just another poseur?
As I said...Total Fuckwit, NO...Total and Utter Fuckwit...

No, just standards.

[grusomhat]

Don't know if it's been said yet but remember that a member of the Nats will very likely be reading threads on kiwibiker. Hell, they probably have a whole team on it. If they see that ultimately this won't loose them too many votes we may just loose our political edge.

Just something to think about when you are voting in a poll National would LOVE to run right now.

EDIT: I see I'm too late and not the first to mention this, polls closed, everyone has gone home; sorry.

[Conquiztador]

Too late to vote. But yes, Nats will NOT get my vote. And everyone I associate with (non-bikers included) are being brainwashed by me. Should make 100+ voters.

Now if every biker could do the same. Let's see... 100,000 bikers times 100 makes 10 000 000. Wow... we need more Asian immigrants!