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StoneY
17th October 2009, 20:31
Well I have the honour of organizing the Wellington leg

My friend Bald Eagle is running the Kapiti Coast, we envision we will meet up with careful coordination at Ngauranaga

Date to be firmed up yet but we intend to start as initial meet spot at Rimutaka Hill Summit, if otherwise unsuitable Rimutex
This is to allow Wiararapa riders a chance to get involved

Rest is all yet to be set up, and if you have anything to input here is the thread to post it in

Cheers all

StoneY

James Deuce
17th October 2009, 20:42
Please don't take this the wrong way, but...

I don;t think either the summit or Rimutex is suitable as a starting point.

The sheer volume of bikes would be difficult to keep together on the hill and would seriously disadvantage other road users.

Rimutex is a commercial operation and we shouldn't be impacting their business negatively. They would be within their rights to tell us to sod off, because I'm picking their will be 100s, maybe thousands of bikes, not 10s.

A better meeting place in the Hutt would be Avalon Park and would allow the Kapiti ride to traverse the Haywards and join up with the Hutt/Wairarapa (and probably Manawatu) contingents to head down SH2 and directly into Wellington without trying to organise a meeting spot along the old Hutt Road.

Other Upper Hutt alternatives would be Harcourt Park, or Maidstone park. Both have a huge amount of parking available, and would allow a coordinated meeting at the bottom of the Haywards.

Sorry.

StoneY
17th October 2009, 20:45
Please don't take this the wrong way, but...

I don;t think either the summit or Rimutex is suitable as a starting point.



James your input is welcome

Good points
exactly why I have opened this topic

Trudes
17th October 2009, 20:48
Agree with JD, my thoughts are that if we want to ride as a united group the less distance needed to travel as a large group the better. Group rides of this size can get very messy and confusing very quickly. May I suggest that we coordinate with the Police/highway patrol to escort us and help block off intersections etc.

Bend-it
17th October 2009, 20:57
** copied and pasted from the other Bikoi thread...

While there's the big Bikoi whenever we decide on a date, we could have smaller regional rides or protests before then... which I'll fully be keen to help organise... Ideas like maybe:-

- Drive our cars in early, park in a row on Bowen St (coupon parking, $3 per day) with posters on the car windows to the effect of: I usually ride in and take up no carparks, but ACC levies will force me to drive in and take up a carpark, like today... In shorter, punchier words of course... and the target logo...

- Similar thing with bikes, and take 1 carpark per bike, sellotape or bungee-cord notes to bikes.

- Chilled out lunchtime ride down The Terrace, Lambton Quay, Molesworth St and Bowen St, into the parliament carpark and have lunch on the lawns, with helmets, gear, t-shirts and of course, media present...

- Have 2 bikes on display somewhere with lots of foot traffic, a supersport 600 and say an FJR1300 or BMW R1200GS or something like that, with info sheets displayed, showing engine capacity, hp etc... showing that CCs do not equate speed, horsepower or danger... abit of an education campaign. Maybe get permission to park it on Midland Park or something like that?

We could do one a week, as build up until the Bikoi...

We should also get a small flyer written up, as to why the proposals are unjust, maybe A5 size to hand out at any event. Some well reasoned arguments on one side, and some stats on the other. No emotional ranting or name-calling... Just present a cool, calm case. I think there's enough on these threads to go on...

Bend-it
17th October 2009, 21:03
Also StoneY, do change your 1st post with information on any organised and agreed on events, so people can look at that 1st post and know what's going on without having to scroll through and read all my vented spleen bits.

Good on ya for heading this up mate!

StoneY
17th October 2009, 21:23
Also StoneY, do change your 1st post with information on any organised and agreed on events, so people can look at that 1st post and know what's going on without having to scroll through and read all my vented spleen bits.

Good on ya for heading this up mate!

Bendit, Trudes...all of you thank you

I realize there is WAY MORE than I myself can possibly know to doing this RIGHT

I look forward to your advice, and you all have some fantastic points

On Monday I will seek Police advice (I recently became an acquaintance of Hutt Regional Commander)
Will also inform TV1 and TV3

Any advice there guys?
Eg who what where to ring?

Before I ring them we need to SET a date for the event no doubt?

Pedrostt500
17th October 2009, 21:27
I vote we use the Duck Pond, its an easily found large area.

Ixion
17th October 2009, 21:28
..we need to set a date for the event no doubt?

Yes. I'm still working on that.

Getting consensus from bikers is worse than herding cats.

Given the time, I wouldn't expect a date until tomorrow.

Trudes
17th October 2009, 21:30
Is the point to ride to Parliament to present a petition or something? If so then it needs to be a day when the MPs are going to be there. Also, are we pissy with ACC? Do we need to make some noise outside the main ACC building in Wellington?

Pedrostt500
17th October 2009, 21:30
It would be wise to have a few meetings to figure out some of the logistics.

Bend-it
17th October 2009, 21:32
Yes. I'm still working on that.

Getting consensus from bikers is worse than herding cats.

Given the time, I wouldn't expect a date until tomorrow.


It would be wise to have a few meetings to figure out some of the logistics.

I'm fine just about any weekday around lunchtime... :) Happy to help with either...

Pedrostt500
17th October 2009, 21:33
A petition on paper would be a valuble tool, it would look good in the eyes of the media, some one handing over reams of paper with names etc. it would also give Joe and Jane public some thing tangable.

StoneY
17th October 2009, 21:35
Is the point to ride to Parliament to present a petition or something?

Not a partition, when the fart tax farmer/tractor thing happened they just got there in person

So i believe...pretty sure no partition was involved.
BUT there are like 3 partitions going already
I think 'show of passive polite well behaved force' is of the order

(my god i been neutered)

Parliament HAS to be the end destination in Welly region....it has to, nowhere else matters within 200kms

Palmy riders, Horowhenua, 'Rapa, all welcome

James Deuce
17th October 2009, 21:36
Is the point to ride to Parliament to present a petition or something? If so then it needs to be a day when the MPs are going to be there. Also, are we pissy with ACC? Do we need to make some noise outside the main ACC building in Wellington?

No and no. Neither petition nor pissy with the ACC. This is a protest against a Government plan to price motorcycling off the road with secondary goal of removing the discriminatory aspect of the separate levy for motorcycles. ( I hope - I may be about to be slapped)

It's a protest and an education opportunity. We're not getting together to rant, we're getting together to lend weight to BRONZ's message to the Government. BRONZ delivers the message, and we do a mass, mobile Mexican wave in support.

StoneY
17th October 2009, 21:37
OH and I have 2 solid lines on sympathetic MPs from my old 'govt worker' days

Im abusing them believe me lol

Insanity_rules
17th October 2009, 21:37
Damn I'm away on holiday this coming week or I'd be in like Flynn. Will be keeping an eye on this though.

Trudes
17th October 2009, 21:39
No and no. Neither petition nor pissy with the ACC. This is a protest against a Government plan to price motorcycling off the road with secondary goal of removing the discriminatory aspect of the separate levy for motorcycles. ( I hope - I may be about to be slapped)

It's a protest and an education opportunity. We're not getting together to rant, we're getting together to lend weight to BRONZ's message to the Government. BRONZ delivers the message, and we do a mass, mobile Mexican wave in support.

Cool. Crystal. Thanks. :)

Pedrostt500
17th October 2009, 21:44
No and no. Neither petition nor pissy with the ACC. This is a protest against a Government plan to price motorcycling off the road with secondary goal of removing the discriminatory aspect of the separate levy for motorcycles. ( I hope - I may be about to be slapped)

It's a protest and an education opportunity. We're not getting together to rant, we're getting together to lend weight to BRONZ's message to the Government. BRONZ delivers the message, and we do a mass, mobile Mexican wave in support.

Won't slap ya JD, but some of it is giving a bit of a show for the rest of NZ, handing over a Petition or something of the nature gives the Media something to focus on rather than bikers going Wahhh.

Bend-it
17th October 2009, 21:46
Maybe BRONZ could join the Bikoi and hand over their petition then?

James Deuce
17th October 2009, 21:53
Won't slap ya JD, but some of it is giving a bit of a show for the rest of NZ, handing over a Petition or something of the nature gives the Media something to focus on rather than bikers going Wahhh.

BRONZ are handing the message over. Handing a petition over is pointless as there aren't enough registered motorcycles in NZ to force a review of ACC laws, even if we all signed.

I think people have forgotten how to protest. You don't have to have anything to hand over. The message will be loud and strong if thousands of bikers turn up and infest the legislative district of Wellington in support of an already publicised message on a set day for a set period of time. BRONZ delivers a message we all agree on. The BIKOI publicly displays the number of NZ citizens affected by poorly considered change in ACC levy, based on faulty logic and using faulty reasoning to justify the unjustifiable.

This isn't a Swiss canton. NZ Governments aren't answerable to the general populace between elections, but if we show that there are enough voters willing to make a public show of disapproval against a campaign of misinformation surrounding the cause of ACC's downturn in profit then they may just stay their hand.

This time.

Nasty
17th October 2009, 22:00
** copied and pasted from the other Bikoi thread...

While there's the big Bikoi whenever we decide on a date, we could have smaller regional rides or protests before then... which I'll fully be keen to help organise... Ideas like maybe:-

- Drive our cars in early, park in a row on Bowen St (coupon parking, $3 per day) with posters on the car windows to the effect of: I usually ride in and take up no carparks, but ACC levies will force me to drive in and take up a carpark, like today... In shorter, punchier words of course... and the target logo...

- Similar thing with bikes, and take 1 carpark per bike, sellotape or bungee-cord notes to bikes.

- Chilled out lunchtime ride down The Terrace, Lambton Quay, Molesworth St and Bowen St, into the parliament carpark and have lunch on the lawns, with helmets, gear, t-shirts and of course, media present...

- Have 2 bikes on display somewhere with lots of foot traffic, a supersport 600 and say an FJR1300 or BMW R1200GS or something like that, with info sheets displayed, showing engine capacity, hp etc... showing that CCs do not equate speed, horsepower or danger... abit of an education campaign. Maybe get permission to park it on Midland Park or something like that?

We could do one a week, as build up until the Bikoi...

We should also get a small flyer written up, as to why the proposals are unjust, maybe A5 size to hand out at any event. Some well reasoned arguments on one side, and some stats on the other. No emotional ranting or name-calling... Just present a cool, calm case. I think there's enough on these threads to go on...

You will not get bikes onto parliament unless it is arranged prior ... which can be rather tricky ... with the cheesecutter ride we parked in the parks to the side on Molesworth Street. If you want to do this let WCC know (through a council staffy) and they can see if the parks can be managed in a way to keep them clear for that time period.

StoneY
17th October 2009, 22:06
You will not get bikes onto parliament unless it is arranged prior ... which can be rather tricky ... with the cheesecutter ride we parked in the parks to the side on Molesworth Street. If you want to do this let WCC know (through a council staffy) and they can see if the parks can be managed in a way to keep them clear for that time period.

Good point Kari

Is John Visser the man to approach there?
He has been very forthcoming for us over the parking issues around town

Most excellent topic to broach

Pedrostt500
17th October 2009, 22:06
BRONZ are handing the message over. Handing a petition over is pointless as there aren't enough registered motorcycles in NZ to force a review of ACC laws, even if we all signed.

I think people have forgotten how to protest. You don't have to have anything to hand over. The message will be loud and strong if thousands of bikers turn up and infest the legislative district of Wellington in support of an already publicised message on a set day for a set period of time. BRONZ delivers a message we all agree on. The BIKOI publicly displays the number of NZ citizens affected by poorly considered change in ACC levy, based on faulty logic and using faulty reasoning to justify the unjustifiable.

This isn't a Swiss canton. NZ Governments aren't answerable to the general populace between elections, but if we show that there are enough voters willing to make a public show of disapproval against a campaign of misinformation surrounding the cause of ACC's downturn in profit then they may just stay their hand.

This time.

This is not just about the higher ACC levy, this is also an attack on the whole of the motorcycle industry.

Bend-it
17th October 2009, 22:09
Good point Kari

Is John Visser the man to approach there?
He has been very forthcoming for us over the parking issues around town

Most excellent topic to broach

Hmm, he'd also be the guy to talk about displaying some bikes in public parks at lunchtime then I guess...

Wellingtonians who want to help out practically with abit of publi education, have a look here: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=110281

James Deuce
17th October 2009, 22:10
This is not just about the higher ACC levy, this is also an attack on the whole of the motorcycle industry.


BRONZ speak for bikers. It's up the Bike Industry to organise their response. BRONZ and the Bike Industry should certainly be working in partnership but where is the line drawn? I'm not sure that the "message" has congealed yet, but it shouldn't be diluted in any way. Personally I'm not in favour of trying to extend the "message" to include the woes of the wider economic implications of raising ACC levies to unaffordable levels.

Pedrostt500
17th October 2009, 22:23
But it is worth us thinking of those further ramifacations, and how we can use those arguments to our advantage. I would be supprised if the ramifacations of the new preposed ACC levies is not worring all motorcycle shops for the length of the country, even if their core business is not road bikes.

MyGSXF
17th October 2009, 22:28
Parliament grounds 93! :2thumbsup

3000+ bikes

Bend-it
17th October 2009, 22:29
what protest was that?!?

Pedrostt500
17th October 2009, 22:34
what protest was that?!?

From dim memory I think it was also about higher ACC Leveys on bikes.

Ixion
17th October 2009, 22:36
What she said. 1993. The last time ACC tried this sort of trick. They wanted $1 per cc.

We fought. And won

That was the original BIKOI, but the term hadn't been invented then.

Now, I'm going to burn my eyeballs out , trying to see myself in that crowd.

MyGSXF
17th October 2009, 23:05
what protest was that?!?


From dim memory I think it was also about higher ACC Leveys on bikes.


What she said. 1993. The last time ACC tried this sort of trick. They wanted $1 per cc.

We fought. And won

Yep!!! :banana:

Give me a few minutes & I'll scan the other pics & newspaper article I have, & put em up.. :2thumbsup

MyGSXF
17th October 2009, 23:12
Here tis..

Was mind blowing being in the middle of it all!!! :gob: Those pics were taken while we were waiting on the waterfront, getting ready to ride through town

The article heading was a right piss off though!! :bash:

Hopeful Bastard
17th October 2009, 23:15
Good on them.. Take the heading off something that wasnt even the point on the protest.. Let alone, Nowhere even near wellington.. What was it, Porirua i read?

That still a good drive out of wellies!

Bullitt
17th October 2009, 23:16
I wasnt aware of the previous protest. Given theres more bikes around now (Id guess) as well as a far greater ability to organise this through the internet I can see a coming protest being larger by a material amount.

I cant see the duck pond being anywhere near big enough to bring this many bikes together. Maybe have several large meeting points with people coordinated to leave at the right times to meet up along the way, its not like itd be hard to catch a group of 1,000 bikes in a convoy.

MyGSXF
17th October 2009, 23:22
A group of us rode up from Christchurch to attend the protest ride.

Good things can happen when we all pull together as a well organised, well thought out collective! :2thumbsup

Hopeful Bastard
17th October 2009, 23:47
There are DEFINITELY more bikers around now.. I think my mate knows a couple of young ones.. And i think my bro might know a couple too..

The question here is, Do we want as many riders as possible? Or responsible riders?

Bend-it
17th October 2009, 23:51
Define responsible... :Pokey:

Maybe the irresponsible ones might learn something from riding with other responsible bikers on the Bikoi? I suppose if they understood why we were doing this, then it might get them to ride responsibly... who knows.

But definitely no squiddish behaviour please...

Hopeful Bastard
17th October 2009, 23:58
Ones that will try and be the coolest of the pack..

If you know what i mean..

In otherwords, Idiots. Hoon off and try do wheelies

Bend-it
18th October 2009, 00:02
No wheelies or hooning on the Bikoi thanks... They may be squids at other times, but no... definitely not on for the Bikoi.

Hopeful Bastard
18th October 2009, 00:06
Responsible bikies it is then. If i get a bike (and licence) before we head down, COUNT ME IN!

Thanks to chanceyy for offering to take me down as a Pillion passenger! :)

Brian d marge
18th October 2009, 00:39
and theres me thinking hell had frozen over

Well if you can do it once you can do it again


Stephen

James Deuce
18th October 2009, 06:29
But it is worth us thinking of those further ramifacations, and how we can use those arguments to our advantage. I would be supprised if the ramifacations of the new preposed ACC levies is not worring all motorcycle shops for the length of the country, even if their core business is not road bikes.

Absolutely, but if the Bikoi becomes a protest about 8 things, then they'll pick the 6 that affect us least and drop them and then push the 2 that disadvantage everyone the most through. Focus.

StoneY
18th October 2009, 06:57
There are DEFINITELY more bikers around now.. I think my mate knows a couple of young ones.. And i think my bro might know a couple too..

The question here is, Do we want as many riders as possible? Or responsible riders?

Think about that for one minute Hopeful, you answered your own question there

SENSIBLE...read that article (just zoom the image) we want no repeat of this historic 'exit strategy' post protest :lol:

We NEED everyone that attends to ride TO the event sanely, wave at all the cars who look at us in curiosity, and ride home with the same stupid ' I love you all' smile on their face:rolleyes:

Go out and cut up the Taka's the next day but, on BIKOI Day we NEED to be sensible, law abiding riders, evry single one of us
:2thumbsup:2thumbsup:2thumbsup:2thumbsup

peasea
18th October 2009, 07:26
Think about that for one minute Hopeful, you answered your own question there

SENSIBLE...read that article (just zoom the image) we want no repeat of this historic 'exit strategy' post protest :lol:

We NEED everyone that attends to ride TO the event sanely, wave at all the cars who look at us in curiosity, and ride home with the same stupid ' I love you all' smile on their face:rolleyes:

Go out and cut up the Taka's the next day but, on BIKOI Day we NEED to be sensible, law abiding riders, evry single one of us
:2thumbsup:2thumbsup:2thumbsup:2thumbsup

100% right. The last thing we need is for the press to get a shot of someone doing something silly and our case is blown out of the water, credibility shot to shit.

The Nelson protest is set for Saturday October 24th, Richmond A&P showgrounds at 10.30am, then it's off to give Nick Smith a firm (hopefully well-mannered) message.

We are also looking forward to attending any Wellington event that is organised, well worth the price of a bit of gas and a ferry ticket.

chanceyy
18th October 2009, 07:48
your welcome hopeful, & definitely a responsible rider here ;)

once we have info & dates I have friends who are not Kbers, but part of other riding groups who have expressed interest in riding to show their displeasure .. I am pretty sure most of us know riders who are not a part of kb but who would be more than interested in riding together to show the displeasure at the increase hikes

Maki
18th October 2009, 07:50
Let's learn something from that previous protest. Why did it work? It worked because it WAS NOTICED. It "seriously disrupted traffic".

Some people will inevitably be pissed off by our protest action. You can not make a cake without breaking eggs.

StoneY
18th October 2009, 08:00
Some people will inevitably be pissed off by our protest action. You can not make a cake without breaking eggs.

That's true Maki but also we don't want to have too many people upset with us either

It seriously disrupted traffic because it coincided with a test match at Athletic Park ;)
I remember those days fondly...sigh concert or game traffic days. :lol:

Someone mind checking the calendar to see if any major events we may collide with happening in early November?

Lots of talk about Nov 5 being a good day but is there gonna be the Fireworks traffic jams of the last 2 years, where the highways stop dead for thousands heading to harbour view spots to view the displays?

Then again we would aim at mid day I presume, lunchtime convoy?

wingrider
18th October 2009, 08:09
The proposed changes are also affecting numerous other groups.
A march is organized for tomorrow from victim support and other affected groups. Perhaps we could offer our support.

Farmers are facing a 70% increase.

Perhaps we need to be outspoken in support for these groups as well and invite support from them to our plight.

Phil Goff is also a rider.
Invite him to the rally.

Many Police Officers are also weekend riders and I know of several who are up in arms.

What about contacting your local Opposition MP and offering him/her a seat on the back?

Whilst I agree that a thousand bikes is going to get attention, imagine if we can also get farmers and other affected parties to join in with us.

Many of the ideas posted here are of great value and show that we are not a bunch of hoons. Share our concerns and ideas and I believe we will get a lot of non-riders on our side.

The greater the crowd the greater the impact.

Many people are also writing to their local national MP advising of the fallout should they allow their Minister to proceed. I bet a few of them are looking down the barrel come the next election.

If ever there was a time for us ALL to show consideration to all members of the public then it's NOW.
Dont do anything to bring attention to ourselves for the wrong reasons.

Maki
18th October 2009, 08:13
Nov 5th is good. We need to make sure that the media is well briefed.

nothingflash
18th October 2009, 08:22
The proposed changes are also affecting numerous other groups.
A march is organized for tomorrow from victim support and other affected groups. Perhaps we could offer our support.

Farmers are facing a 70% increase.

Perhaps we need to be outspoken in support for these groups as well and invite support from them to our plight.

Phil Goff is also a rider.
Invite him to the rally.

Many Police Officers are also weekend riders and I know of several who are up in arms.

What about contacting your local Opposition MP and offering him/her a seat on the back?

Whilst I agree that a thousand bikes is going to get attention, imagine if we can also get farmers and other affected parties to join in with us.

Many of the ideas posted here are of great value and show that we are not a bunch of hoons. Share our concerns and ideas and I believe we will get a lot of non-riders on our side.

The greater the crowd the greater the impact.

Many people are also writing to their local national MP advising of the fallout should they allow their Minister to proceed. I bet a few of them are looking down the barrel come the next election.

If ever there was a time for us ALL to show consideration to all members of the public then it's NOW.
Dont do anything to bring attention to ourselves for the wrong reasons.

Well said - good points!

Pedrostt500
18th October 2009, 08:25
So are we going to have a meeting of the minds to sort out some of the details, and figure out a game plan.

sinfull
18th October 2009, 08:31
A Whole bunch of little splinter protests aint gonna do squat !


There's a whole bunch of threads started by well meaning folk who all want to protest, if they all go off half cocked they wont be noticed at all !

What you guys should be thinking about, is meeting points for the lower north to gather and then somewhere with massive amounts of room for everyone to congregate, to meet the Bikeoi as it moves down the island from Auckland !
Accommidation for south island Kbers who travel up for this !
Billets perhaps or large cabin/tent camp sites, list of motels etc !

Resorces, like placards (who can sorce them cheap) back up wagons to carry them !
I'm sure there are enough ideas in the abundance of threads, for what the placards should read !
Who has properties bordering on the State highways ? And are you willing to put up bill boards leading up to this (educate the masses a little on what a crock ACC are talking up with the stats !

Where are the welly tag crew with their google map skills, who can find gathering points on the two main arterial routes into the city ?
The Bikeoi will obviously be coming down SH1, do they really want to travers to the Hutt with up to 3000 bikes in tow (I doubt it)

I went off half cocked (and half pissed) and started a thread saying i'll book out the local lodge here in otaki for monday labour day, but in reflection there aint no way a bikeoi of the size we want to make a good show, can be organised in that time !!
KB is only a portion of the riders who will be on this Bikeoi, it will take time to organise and organise well, so it gets a message across and not just become a nuisance to other road users !



Resorces/accommidation/meeting points/advertising and then sit back and wait till there is news of the main Bikeoi i say !

StoneY
18th October 2009, 08:37
Well spoken Wingrider.

I need more people to assist with some tasks here to organize BIKOI Wgtn

I need:

Spokesperson-
preferably someone known to the public, (rugby player, TV actor, local hero types) used to media attention etc

Communications specialist-
Someone who has REGULAR dealings with Radio stations, TV stations etc, maybe an advertising type, PR specialist? Speaks the lingo and has connections to get past the front desk etc. Already has DJs and sales teams on speed dial ideally!

What we have so far

James is making a flyer for us I believe cheers JD and also he is somewhat a main contributor on policy
Im the coordinator but as these issues have been identified I realize there is more than I alone can do

So we have a loosley agreed date- I say we nail the date
Is Nov 5 suitable to ALL who wish to attend BIKOI Wellington???

We have obvious numbers and agreement on sane behaviour
Timing?

Lunch, or early afternoon?Later afternoon? When is it best to arrive at Parliament?

So, anyone wanting a volunteer forthe Spokesperson role
(I will if no one famous is available or willing but someone with cred would be best)

A volunteer for Media communications specialist (Kari my dear..you spring to mind but I feel you have enough on your plate???)

And later we need a real meeting to discuss route, etiquette, meet points, final rally solution (do we all meet at Ngaraunga in a coordinated two highway convoy?)

All this to be addressed

Volunteers please PM me and I will have you added to the coordinator groups

Cheers

BIKOI

Pixie
18th October 2009, 08:39
A petition on paper would be a valuble tool, it would look good in the eyes of the media, some one handing over reams of paper with names etc. it would also give Joe and Jane public some thing tangable.

You could nail some Feaces to the doors of Parliament.Like that Martin Luther dude did.

Quasi
18th October 2009, 08:42
A Whole bunch of little splinter protests aint gonna do squat !


There's a whole bunch of threads started by well meaning folk who all want to protest, if they all go off half cocked they wont be noticed at all !

What you guys should be thinking about, is meeting points for the lower north to gather and then somewhere with massive amounts of room for everyone to congregate, to meet the Bikeoi as it moves down the island from Auckland !
Accommidation for south island Kbers who travel up for this !
Billets perhaps or large cabin/tent camp sites, list of motels etc !

Resorces, like placards (who can sorce them cheap) back up wagons to carry them !
I'm sure there are enough ideas in the abundance of threads, for what the placards should read !
Who has properties bordering on the State highways ? And are you willing to put up bill boards leading up to this (educate the masses a little on what a crock ACC are talking up with the stats !

Where are the welly tag crew with their google map skills, who can find gathering points on the two main arterial routes into the city ?
The Bikeoi will obviously be coming down SH1, do they really want to travers to the Hutt with up to 3000 bikes in tow (I doubt it)

I went off half cocked (and half pissed) and started a thread saying i'll book out the local lodge here in otaki for monday labour day, but in reflection there aint no way a bikeoi of the size we want to make a good show, can be organised in that time !!
KB is only a portion of the riders who will be on this Bikeoi, it will take time to organise and organise well, so it gets a message across and not just become a nuisance to other road users !



Resorces/accommidation/meeting points/advertising and then sit back and wait till there is news of the main Bikeoi i say !

Well said Sinny. But we also need to get this happening sooner rather then later. i appreciate that a well cordinated protest will take time to organise, so lets keep this momentum going and get it happening. Is there any consensus yet on dates? I havent been following all the threads, as here are just too many of them. Stoney and BE - thanks for your efforts in this. You are both legends:2thumbsup

sinfull
18th October 2009, 08:48
what protest was that?!?


Well said Sinny. But we also need to get this happening sooner rather then later. i appreciate that a well cordinated protest will take time to organise, so lets keep this momentum going and get it happening. Is there any consensus yet on dates? I havent been following all the threads, as here are just too many of them. Stoney and BE - thanks for your efforts in this. You are both legends:2thumbsup

Bronze auckland are meeting on wednesday ! Why don't we wait till that happens ! See what large scale Bikoi is going to be organised, if any ! Instead of turning up on parliments steps with 40 or so Kiwibiker website geeks and looking stupid !

Stoney, why don't you put your hand up for position of Bronze wellington co-ordinator and go to the meeting ! If you need help with funds to get to the meeting, i'm willing to help you there and also give you my subs ($20) to become a Bronze member !

Pixie
18th October 2009, 08:50
Many Police Officers are also weekend riders and I know of several who are up in arms.



We don't want that - half of them don't know what end the bullet comes out of.

wingrider
18th October 2009, 08:52
Stoney,

I run a Motel on the kapiti coast.

I am prepared to offer accommodation at $20 per head on the following basis.

No patches.
People will have to share rooms as beds are limited.
Rooms will be left clean and tidy and all dishes used are washed and put away.

people will conduct themselves in a proper manner.

There are numerous cafe's and takaways within walking distance and meals available from $10

people may email me direct to arrange bookings.

I will post here as soon as rooms are full.

StoneY
18th October 2009, 08:54
Bronze auckland are meeting on wednesday ! Why don't we wait till that happens ! See what large scale Bikoi is going to be organised, if any ! Instead of turning up on parliments steps with 40 or so Kiwibiker website geeks and looking stupid !

Stoney, why don't you put your hand up for position of Bronze wellington co-ordinator and go to the meeting ! If you need help with funds to get to the meeting, i'm willing to help you there and also give you my subs ($20) to become a Bronze member !

Wise words, and mate if I could get to the meeting in Aucks ontime and back again for work the next morning I would be in.

Could maybe fly up, but would need a crazy lanesplitting local to get me to the meeting :lol:

Funds would be an issue but I dont expect it to be truly possible at this point bro, however I will be joining bronz as well
I will ask them regards a wellington chapter opening, I for one am keen to help run it

:)

Sinny your a legend man I take it youve now volunteered to lead down the Manawatu / south Taranaki contingent?

;)

StoneY
18th October 2009, 08:58
Noted WR

Great stuff now THATS a real support offer right there folks
And of course your guests would be patch free clean living bikers mate ;)

Man has opened his Motel for accommodation, Passea mate your crew may wish to take advantage there

I will also allow my spare space shared with staffy and 2 cats to be utilised, 3 spare beds here to share with management, and off st parking for your steed

wingrider
18th October 2009, 09:08
Hi Again

My post should have read $20 per head per night.

I dont want to sound misserable but i do have to pay my bills.:headbang:

peasea
18th October 2009, 09:09
Noted WR

Great stuff now THATS a real support offer right there folks
And of course your guests would be patch free clean living bikers mate ;)

Man has opened his Motel for accommodation, Passea mate your crew may wish to take advantage there

I will also allow my spare space shared with staffy and 2 cats to be utilised, 3 spare beds here to share with management, and off st parking for your steed

Nice thought but I grew up in Wellington and have plenty of places to kip, thanks.

sinfull
18th October 2009, 09:10
Wise words, and mate if I could get to the meeting in Aucks ontime and back again for work the next morning I would be in.

Could maybe fly up, but would need a crazy lanesplitting local to get me to the meeting :lol:

Funds would be an issue but I dont expect it to be truly possible at this point bro, however I will be joining bronz as well
I will ask them regards a wellington chapter opening, I for one am keen to help run it

:)

Sinny your a legend man I take it youve now volunteered to lead down the Manawatu / south Taranaki contingent?

;)
No !
I will wait and see what if any, plans Bronze come up with, before putting my hand up for anything !
If you want to put your hand up as welly co-ordinator and go to the meeting, talk to Ixion and get him to make a few calls, to check if there is anybody come forward yet !
If not, go to the Air NZ site and see what flights will get ya there and back on time and the cost and get back to me with whether it's a viable option (missed a track day yesterday so have a couple of bucks in the account) I'm sure there will be others who might like to help get you there, so we can co-ordinate this thing properly !

Lots of little groups of bikes chirping in main centres will sound like lots of little groups of bikes chirping in main centres ! A group of several thousand bikes riding into the capital would be a worry for them in parliment !

StoneY
18th October 2009, 09:10
Hi Again

My post should have read $20 per head per night.

I dont want to sound misserable but i do have to pay my bills.:headbang:

Thats still a cheap rate bro, thanks for contributing

StoneY
18th October 2009, 09:13
Lots of little groups of bikes chirping in main centres will sound like lots of little groups of bikes chirping in main centres ! A group of several thousand bikes riding into the capital would be a worry for them in parliment !

Ok, maybe we could do two rides, all area's have their own immediate stress/pressure valve blowoff with a Mini BIKOI (Nov 5 for welly) and folow on with a massive nationwide one to arrive on say, parliaments opening day....but we dont have much time left this year is all

Ms Piggy
18th October 2009, 09:33
It's a protest and an education opportunity. We're not getting together to rant, we're getting together to lend weight to BRONZ's message to the Government. BRONZ delivers the message, and we do a mass, mobile Mexican wave in support.

Sorry I'm a bit of a late contributor - I agree with Jim here.

Public perception and education is important IMHO - I heard some yahoo at the supermarket mouthing off loudly in my direction saying: "Blah, blah ACC levy increases for motorbikes..blah, blah fair enough wank, wank blah" and then hopping into his car before I could politely start up a conversation with him.

So with ill-informed members of the public like that around I don't want to be part of an "us and them" thing or a "let's piss everyone off while we try to get our point across" bike ride. But, that's just me.

wingrider
18th October 2009, 09:37
Ok,
Venue is Golfview motel
16 Golf road
paraparaumu Beach

Phone (040 9026085

Email golfviewmotel@paradise.net.nz

Please indicate if you are a couple so that i can allocate double beds. and if your willing to share a room that has an extra single bed or if you are a single.

I will allocate sleeping arrangements.
Could prove interesting.
I hope i dont cock it up!!!

StoneY
18th October 2009, 09:42
Sorry I'm a bit of a late contributor - I agree with Jim here.


So with ill-informed members of the public like that around I don't want to be part of an "us and them" thing or a "let's piss everyone off while we try to get our point across" bike ride. But, that's just me.

Totally agreed, hence why i think a weekend date may have been better.
But I also see the need to get to Parliament on a suitable day

I have a proposition

We do a small, SANE well behaved local BIKOI in each region, (welly on Nov 5 we seem to agree)
Small, non obstructive as best a spossible, to raise immediate visibility and get them familiar with 'BIKOI'

With proper time and BRONZ oversight, arrange a massive nationwide one heading south to north at a later date, arriving at Parliament on a Sunday for the sake of not offending the public as best we can

Education and support never stops, this is a chance for motorcyclists to cop major support if we play this right

I have volunteered to be BRONZ wellington coordinator.
Still need a spokesman and media specialist but could have leads there already

sinfull
18th October 2009, 09:59
I have volunteered to be BRONZ wellington coordinator.
Still need a spokesman and media specialist but could have leads there already
Talk to Bronze mate !! Don't go getting a spokesman and media specialist untill you have an idea what needs to be said !!
A half cocked gun could shoot you in the foot !!!

StoneY
18th October 2009, 10:04
Talk to Bronze mate !! Don't go getting a spokesman and media specialist untill you have an idea what needs to be said !!
A half cocked gun could shoot you in the foot !!!

Oh mate I meant for the BIKOI not for bronz lol

True point tho and ive only volunteered no one has said they want me :P

Laxi
18th October 2009, 10:08
Stoney,

I run a Motel on the kapiti coast.

I am prepared to offer accommodation at $20 per head on the following basis.

No patches.
People will have to share rooms as beds are limited.
Rooms will be left clean and tidy and all dishes used are washed and put away.

people will conduct themselves in a proper manner.

There are numerous cafe's and takaways within walking distance and meals available from $10

people may email me direct to arrange bookings.

I will post here as soon as rooms are full.

really great offer wingrider! bling sent

Hopeful Bastard
18th October 2009, 11:40
Will there be a bikeoi Levin? Just wondering is all. Or would we fall into bikeoi wellington?

Ixion
18th October 2009, 11:43
Will there be a bikeoi Levin? Just wondering is all. Or would we fall into bikeoi wellington?

PM davereid. He's cordinator for Horowhenua (which if my lamentably ignorant geography holds up is somewhere near Levin)

wingrider
18th October 2009, 12:11
We don't want that - half of them don't know what end the bullet comes out of.

Don't alienate your friend in the middle of a battle or you may just find your worst enemy

Connor
18th October 2009, 12:28
I can offer a couple of beds plus parking for anyone coming through, drop me a pm if interested.

denefoster
18th October 2009, 12:57
Same, well.. a couch or two for a night. I've also got a spare bike (Assuming I get it re-WOFd in time!)

Hawkeye
18th October 2009, 13:36
A viable meeting point on SH1 could be the Weigh station just north of Plimmerton. Plenty of space to line up the bikes and out of the way. Just need to get the ok from whoever. The southbound side which has just recently been completed would be perfect.

Hopeful Bastard
18th October 2009, 13:41
A viable meeting point on SH1 could be the Weigh station just north of Plimmerton. Plenty of space to line up the bikes and out of the way. Just need to get the ok from whoever. The southbound side which has just recently been completed would be perfect.


Maybe try approaching your local cop shop and ask them the right way to be pointed to?

peasea
18th October 2009, 13:42
A viable meeting point on SH1 could be the Weigh station just north of Plimmerton. Plenty of space to line up the bikes and out of the way. Just need to get the ok from whoever. The southbound side which has just recently been completed would be perfect.

Just rock up, you don't need permission unless there's signage to say otherwise. A large car club I used to belong to used places like weigh stations all the time for assembly points, no dramas.

Howie
18th October 2009, 13:44
A viable meeting point on SH1 could be the Weigh station just north of Plimmerton. Plenty of space to line up the bikes and out of the way. Just need to get the ok from whoever. The southbound side which has just recently been completed would be perfect.

Another choice for a SH1 meeting point would be Queen Elizabeth Park at Mackays crossing, plenty of parking areas, and just off the main highway.

Nasty
18th October 2009, 13:57
A viable meeting point on SH1 could be the Weigh station just north of Plimmerton. Plenty of space to line up the bikes and out of the way. Just need to get the ok from whoever. The southbound side which has just recently been completed would be perfect.

The only problem with that is crossing over to get the bikes pointing the right direction .. a pretty dangerous piece of road.

Hawkeye
18th October 2009, 14:08
The only problem with that is crossing over to get the bikes pointing the right direction .. a pretty dangerous piece of road.


I hear what you are saying but a quick ride up north to Airlie Rd, off on the slip road and then a standard merge back on heading South using the filter lane. Yes you would need to cross the Northbound lane but I'm sure we are all capable of negotiating busy intersections without drama's.
Just putting it up there as an option.

Hopeful Bastard
18th October 2009, 14:10
Get in touch with the Police in Papakowhai (spelling?) and see if we can use some of their car parks or w/e to use. That way, We can also use the Police to our advantage as an escort from there?

chanceyy
18th October 2009, 14:13
The only problem with that is crossing over to get the bikes pointing the right direction .. a pretty dangerous piece of road.

oops did not realise you were talking weigh station .. thought it was still mckays crossing

Nasty
18th October 2009, 14:15
but don't they have the underpass now Kari ?.but then I have not really taken a lot of notice .. as far as I am aware no need to cross the traffic you can merge with it either side now

There is no underpass ...

BMWST?
18th October 2009, 14:16
i am absolutely sure we will get lots of people I think had another protest in the mid to late 80s too,I am sure it was registration fees or something,it was a friday night.We gotta get notices in the bike shops as soon as we got a date,and surely that date has to be co ordinated with BRONZ..

Howie
18th October 2009, 14:27
i am absolutely sure we will get lots of people I think had another protest in the mid to late 80s too,I am sure it was registration fees or something,it was a friday night.We gotta get notices in the bike shops as soon as we got a date,and surely that date has to be co ordinated with BRONZ..

Think the one in the late eighties was over trye import duties, seem to remember that one as well.

Laxi
18th October 2009, 14:27
i am absolutely sure we will get lots of people I think had another protest in the mid to late 80s too,I am sure it was registration fees or something,it was a friday night.We gotta get notices in the bike shops as soon as we got a date,and surely that date has to be co ordinated with BRONZ..

+1 for any co-ordination going through BRONZ.. they might seem to be a bit slow on the uptake but they are the national motorcycle advocates

Flip
18th October 2009, 14:32
Well I was there in 93 (Still have the COM badge) would like to come along again if I can make it.

I have space for a few bods in Chch if anybody is coming up from the deep south. Does anybody work for rail-blue bridge and can get cheap ferry tickets?

wingrider
18th October 2009, 14:43
have one of the co-ordinators contact.
Kirk Burgess
Bookings co-ordinator
Bluebridge
Ph 0800 844 844

Kirk has been very good to the Goldwing Riders Club and Other groups.

I hope he will be able to assist us.

Hopeful Bastard
18th October 2009, 14:44
Apparently, You can get cheaper tickets if you played musical items on the ships? Just pay for the bikes on the boat..

Not too sure on this.. Would someone from the south like to check it out maybe? Seeing as i dont need to travel on a ferry :bleh:

wingrider
18th October 2009, 14:47
For anyone taking advantage of my accommodation offer, I am willing to lead us from the Boating club at kapiti Beach. Those coming from manawatu - wanganui areas could meet us there and then we proceed to next collection point

Brian d marge
18th October 2009, 18:25
Shall i buy a winter coat ,,,,or is the forecast for eternity , likely to be warm

Stephen

bike4life
18th October 2009, 23:26
Hey Labour leader Phil Goff came and spoke at the Victoria University hostal Weir House on the 18th. When questioned about his view on ACC levy rises 4 motorbikes he dissapproved, him being a keen biker and all. Even said he would be part of a ride on parliament. To the person running this should give Phil an email. He'd get some major media attention if he was on a bike outside parliament.:banana:

Also is there going to be any formal meetings for wellington riders to decide on these points such as meeting points? Its so much harder trying organise this event on online, compared with face to face:girlfight::2thumbsup.

Bald Eagle
19th October 2009, 06:25
Hey Labour leader Phil Goff came and spoke at the Victoria University hostal Weir House on the 18th. When questioned about his view on ACC levy rises 4 motorbikes he dissapproved, him being a keen biker and all. Even said he would be part of a ride on parliament. To the person running this should give Phil an email. He'd get some major media attention if he was on a bike outside parliament.:banana:

Also is there going to be any formal meetings for wellington riders to decide on these points such as meeting points? Its so much harder trying organise this event on online, compared with face to face:girlfight::2thumbsup.
Thanks for that info bike4life. Once we get some firm dates for the Wellington ride we will have a meeting to firm up assembly points / route through town etc. Am making contact with local Police today at Kapiti and City to get an idea what they need / want and what help if any they can provide fopr control.

Bend-it
19th October 2009, 08:27
Hang on... politically, we don't want to end up being pawns for Phil Goff. Latest poll shows John Key leading him 4 to 1 in the polls as preferred Prime Minister. With populatriy like that, I'm not sure he should feature THAT prominently on the Bikoi...

If he's one of the recognisable faces supporting our cause then fine, but not our frontman, I don't think...

modboy
19th October 2009, 08:49
Talk to Bronze mate !! Don't go getting a spokesman and media specialist untill you have an idea what needs to be said !!
A half cocked gun could shoot you in the foot !!!

I tend to agree with Sinfull, I think coordinated press releases from BRONZ regarding bikeoi throughout the main centres would be better.

The more coordinated we look, the more serious we'll be taken.

BRONZ probably should also coach any spokespeople with a similar coordinated message - needs to be simple and clear. Sticking to the facts - avoiding emotive name calling etc.

StoneY
19th October 2009, 08:54
Have been on phone to Police Association

They put me onto the National Operations Manager - Traffic

He now knows we exist, we intend to have organised protest rides, and is willing to provide appropriate support where we may be travelling in numbers that could cause 'impedence to usual traffic flow situations'

Hes more than happy to porvide regional Operationa Manager names and e-mails to the organsiers, I will post details in the organisers thread

One question he asked is 'what is your organisation'

I say we run this a KIWIBIKER but I cant make that call - thats a community decision and maybe some copyright as well etc blah blah- advice please!!!

Dates
Now, we need to firm up a date for local action, and a date for national action

Obviously a lot relies on Wednesdays BRONZ meeting-
but I would like to get the ball rolling on a Welly regional BIKOI action, and am still keen on Nov 5th

Do we need a new thread and a new poll to sort the Date?

Spokesperson
Kari has stated she may be able to be our spokesperson (regional at least), I am more than happy with that she did such a great job an the local street names campaign!



Now I stressed to this chap we wish to do this LEGALLY and sanely and drum up support, not piss off every road user in the country, and the cops are willing to help us with this so lets not screw it up

:2thumbsup

modboy
19th October 2009, 08:56
Hey Labour leader Phil Goff came and spoke at the Victoria University hostal Weir House on the 18th. When questioned about his view on ACC levy rises 4 motorbikes he dissapproved, him being a keen biker and all. Even said he would be part of a ride on parliament. To the person running this should give Phil an email. He'd get some major media attention if he was on a bike outside parliament.:banana:

Also is there going to be any formal meetings for wellington riders to decide on these points such as meeting points?

I agree Phil Goff would be a powerful speaker too. (although I agree with earlier comments - that he shouldn't be frontman)

Regarding SH1 meeting spots near Welly - can I suggest here.
Papakowhai Rd, it runs parallel to SH1, you come on to it at the northern side roundabout at Paramata. Coming from the south turn right at Whitford Brown - it's (ironically) in front of the Police College. There is almost never cars there - it's quiet and safe and could accomodate thousands of bikes.

Safe southbound entry back onto SH1 via Whitford Brown and a free left turn back onto the highway.

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sinfull
19th October 2009, 09:14
Have been on phone to Police Association

They put me onto the National Operations Manager - Traffic

He now knows we exist, we intend to have organised protest rides, and is willing to provide appropriate support where we may be travelling in numbers that could cause 'impedence to usual traffic flow situations'

Hes more than happy to porvide regional Operationa Manager names and e-mails to the organsiers, I will post details in the organisers thread

One question he asked is 'what is your organisation'

I say we run this a KIWIBIKER but I cant make that call - thats a community decision and maybe some copyright as well etc blah blah- advice please!!!

Dates
Now, we need to firm up a date for local action, and a date for national action

Obviously a lot relies on Wednesdays BRONZ meeting-
but I would like to get the ball rolling on a Welly regional BIKOI action, and am still keen on Nov 5th

Do we need a new thread and a new poll to sort the Date?

Spokesperson
Kari has stated she may be able to be our spokesperson (regional at least), I am more than happy with that she did such a great job an the local street names campaign!



Now I stressed to this chap we wish to do this LEGALLY and sanely and drum up support, not piss off every road user in the country, and the cops are willing to help us with this so lets not screw it up

:2thumbsup

I will not support a local ride on government, Where you will be making speaches to any in parliment !!
I feel it will take away any effect the National Bikeoi would have !
The impromptu gathering the Auckland crew did at the National party meeting the other day was a silent ride by and placard show !!
Was a good showing for short notice and let them know the protest will be growing in momentum !
But Tread carefully who and what you call your organisation !!

I again call for those who want to go off half cocked to wait !
Gather resorces/ find meeting places/ co-ordinate with other regional co-ordinators and be prepared to lead the main Bikeoi safely and legally into the city !
But don't for fucks sake do this with 50 to 80 bikes when it could be done with 5000 !
Or Joe public will see it on the news a couple of times and say meh, it's been done !!!
Old news/boring these cocks on bikes need to be priced off the road !

StoneY
19th October 2009, 09:24
I will not support a local ride on government, Where you will be making speaches to any in parliment !!
I feel it will take away any effect the National Bikeoi would have !


But Tread carefully who and what you call your organisation !!


I again call for those who want to go off half cocked to wait !
Gather resorces/ find meeting places/ co-ordinate with other regional co-ordinators and be prepared to lead the main Bikeoi safely and legally into the city !
But don't for fucks sake do this with 50 to 80 bikes when it could be done with 5000 !
!

All well noted points mate

BUT
The regional ride doesnt have to be Parliament as its target, we can save that for the 5000 bike National effort, however that efforts a long way off with the level of planning that needs, and something needs to happen sooner or the issue will slide out of sight

And again it's why were discussing it...no one has commited to anything except
A: a Local effort needed soon and
B: a National effort involving BRONZ and other org's needs to happen

Chill bro, we aint gonna go off half cocked, were just planning what/where/when/HOW and thats gotta start somewhere

I would like to hold a meeting at say the Parrot (everyone knows it and owner is biker friendly) where we can talk it over IN PERSON

Maybe Thrusday night, after BRONZ has had its Wednesday meeting?

Who in Welly would attend?

Quasi
19th October 2009, 09:25
I will not support a local ride on government, Where you will be making speaches to any in parliment !!
I feel it will take away any effect the National Bikeoi would have !
The impromptu gathering the Auckland crew did at the National party meeting the other day was a silent ride by and placard show !!
Was a good showing for short notice and let them know the protest will be growing in momentum !
But Tread carefully who and what you call your organisation !!

I again call for those who want to go off half cocked to wait !
Gather resorces/ find meeting places/ co-ordinate with other regional co-ordinators and be prepared to lead the main Bikeoi safely and legally into the city !
But don't for fucks sake do this with 50 to 80 bikes when it could be done with 5000 !
Or Joe public will see it on the news a couple of times and say meh, it's been done !!!
Old news/boring these cocks on bikes need to be priced off the road !

I'm with Sinny on this.And I had assumed from the first line of the original post that this thread was about the organisation of the Wellington leg of the National Bikoi. So this is actually about a Regional Bikoi? Please can this be clarified? There are just so many threads going on this subject and its hard to keep up with them all

We only get one chance at it to maximise the impact and to get our mesage across in a clear and rational manner and it MUST be part of the national Bikoi.

Bald Eagle
19th October 2009, 09:30
I would like to hold a meeting at say the Parrot (everyone knows it and owner is biker friendly) where we can talk it over IN PERSON

Maybe Thrusday night, after BRONZ has had its Wednesday meeting?

Who in Welly would attend?

I am on for an in person meeting on Thursday. Had another comittment but will cancel it for this.

Bend-it
19th October 2009, 09:37
Can we do a lunchtime meeting in town instead? I'd love to be there, but have family commitments most nights with young baby etc... Sorry to be a pain guys...

Jacknz
19th October 2009, 09:42
just let me know when and where

Ixion
19th October 2009, 09:52
..
One question he asked is 'what is your organisation'

I say we run this a KIWIBIKER but I cant make that call - thats a community decision and maybe some copyright as well etc blah blah- advice please!!!

..

This always comes up with cops, councils and the like. they really hate dealing with anyone that isn't an "official" organisation. Like a club, association etc, with elected officers and such like. Which KB isn't.

I'm hoping that BRONZ will agree to be the "official face" to satisfy such people , but BRONZ can't actually organise the regional events (BRONZ doesn't even exist in Wellington) .

sinfull
19th October 2009, 09:55
All well noted points mate

BUT
The regional ride doesnt have to be Parliament as its target, we can save that for the 5000 bike National effort, however that efforts a long way off with the level of planning that needs, and something needs to happen sooner or the issue will slide out of sight

And again it's why were discussing it...no one has commited to anything except
A: a Local effort needed soon and
B: a National effort involving BRONZ and other org's needs to happen

Chill bro, we aint gonna go off half cocked, were just planning what/where/when/HOW and thats gotta start somewhere

I would like to hold a meeting at say the Parrot (everyone knows it and owner is biker friendly) where we can talk it over IN PERSON

Maybe Thrusday night, after BRONZ has had its Wednesday meeting?

Who in Welly would attend?

Think about where any national Bikeoi is going to finish !

We here on KB think we are all there is in the biking community, well we aint !
Nor is bronze, Most other Orgs like Ullyssy's will be waiting to see what Bronze have to say before deciding what they organise !
The patch clubs will be waiting to see what bronze do !! Dont even for a minute think there wont be a thousand patch members riding into the city on any Bikeoi !
Bronze may not even recognise any co-ordination any on KB have done !
All we can do is co-ordinate any KBers to meeting points to Join the protest !

What ive seen on any polls on here asking what day the bikeoi should be on, what a hundred 150 replies ? Hello !!!!
Ixion has got you fellas all going Rah Rah Rah lets march on parliment (good on him ! maybe !)
A regional ride from a bunch of kiwi bikers will look silly mate and do fuck all !
Wellington is where any bikeoi will arrive !!!
Lets not spoil the show by doing a pathetic one and getting anyone like Bronze, ullyses or any others who will make up the majority of the protest, off side !!!
Sure do a few gatherings with placards etc to try and get joe public on side but anything other than that will blow the thunder of the big protest !

StoneY
19th October 2009, 11:42
Destination for LOCAL Bikoi (eg smaller protest)

Sinny makes a good point, Parliament can only be effectively targeted by the NATIONAL BIKOI

So

I suggest, (and its just a suggestion) ACC National HQ on Molesworth Street

We could have the block between ACC and Police HQ shut down for our arrival, and close it for an hour while singing outside ACC (Koombyaaaahhh?)

There are alternative routes around that area so minimal traffic disruption, suitable target and we PASS Parliamnet getting there!!

I am also trying to arrange suitable venue for Thrusday Night to have a meeting which no less than Inspector Peter Baird, regional top Traffic Cop is willing to attend with us to advise on whats legal, how HIS police officers can suuport us, and other factors

Thinking Parrot and Jigger, but yet to get permission from managment there

The ball is rolling peoples we need to keep it moving while not tripping ourselves over, and Sinny mate your pints have been not just noted but trully taken to heart, good advice there bro

James Deuce
19th October 2009, 11:45
Hang on a minute. This is a separate "Bikoi"?

I thought we were discussing how we would be linking up to the National one, and Ixion was asking for voluteers to do that very thing, not organise splinter actions.

Stay focussed. There is nothing to be gained from multiple actions except the disdain of other road users right when we need their support.

325rocket
19th October 2009, 12:16
god this hurts ...


Hang on a minute. This is a separate "Bikoi"?

I thought we were discussing how we would be linking up to the National one, and Ixion was asking for voluteers to do that very thing, not organise splinter actions.

Stay focussed. There is nothing to be gained from multiple actions except the disdain of other road users right when we need their support.

he is right.

the only way to get good media coverage is to have one "Bikoi" making its way down (and up) the country to wellington.

Bend-it
19th October 2009, 12:57
Hmmm, I would tend to agree... I think the smaller actions should take different forms, like the public education thing, or drive in and taking up lots of carparks etc.

That keeps the pressure up, but doesn't take any thunder away from the national bikoi

StoneY
19th October 2009, 13:00
Right from Page ONE I have been of the belief there would be:

Regional efforts, and
ONE big National effort

The National effort cant possibly be put together in such a short time span
There is simply not enough time

To try and have a Nationwide effort happen on the same day, is going to be a very VERY difficult thing to arrange in this period of the year

My opinion anyway

James Deuce
19th October 2009, 14:49
I simply don't support that stance. It sends a number of mixed messages, none of which are a good thing IMO.

I'm surprised that BRONZ would countenance the dilution of effort, because you will have people under the impression that they've "done their bit" if there are multiple protests and that runs the risk of diluting the "big one".

The "Big One" HAS to happen before the 10th of November or it is pointless, again IMO.

Bald Eagle
19th October 2009, 15:03
I simply don't support that stance. It sends a number of mixed messages, none of which are a good thing IMO.

I'm surprised that BRONZ would countenance the dilution of effort, because you will have people under the impression that they've "done their bit" if there are multiple protests and that runs the risk of diluting the "big one".

The "Big One" HAS to happen before the 10th of November or it is pointless, again IMO.

Agree it would be great to have THE BIG ONE before November 10th ( and I hope we do )

I also don't think we should discourage regional activity and the objection to regional activity in Wellington seems to be IMHO because that's also the target of the BIG ONE. some people may only be available for a Regional activity.

Pedrostt500
19th October 2009, 16:11
I agree that the National Bikeoi's destination should be Parliment. We effectivly have 4 weeks to get it sorted thats counting the rest of this week as well, so time is not on our side, yes it would be nice to have the support of the full spectrum of motorcycling, as the ACC Levy's directly, indirectly affects them all.
Sitting around waiting for other motorcycle organisations to make up their minds, is some thing that we do not have the Luxury of time to wait for, I know it is a Kiwi tradition to wait and see what every one else does, But there are times when a small group just has to stand up and take the lead.
Other organisations may come up with another plan, or even a better plan, but there is alot that we can do, that can get the ball rolling.
The 10th of November is to late, I belive that the 5th / 6th November would be best suited for any action.
Please note that this is my point of view, and I'm only speaking for myself.

Ixion
19th October 2009, 16:42
Agree it would be great to have THE BIG ONE before November 10th ( and I hope we do )

I also don't think we should discourage regional activity and the objection to regional activity in Wellington seems to be IMHO because that's also the target of the BIG ONE. some people may only be available for a Regional activity.

I agree. Especially since the National BIKOI looks likely to be midweek.

There's a judgement call here between not having lots of little ineffective actions that just look silly,on the one hand, and on the other concentrating so much on one big grand initiative, that people who can take part in the latter feel excluded, and the public think nothing is happening, on the other.

What we want is to keep up pressure on the politicians unless the BIG one is ready. Sort of like earthquakes, we want a steady series of rumbles and tremors, that make them worry about what and when the BIG one will be .

StoneY
19th October 2009, 17:28
Ok, another angle and we can discuss this Thursday in person

Create another local regional group, say (with permission) Kiwi Bikers against Levy Hikes (or such, someone coin a cool name)
And we do the small, hard yards to keep them all honest while we get the national one organized

Meantime its smoke and mirrors, we hit ACC offices, MPs offices, one semi large regional one as say a 'practice' run for the big BIKOI where we can test ride timings from outer wellington fringes (as a group etc see)

Use the small events to learn what we need for the BIG one

The BIG Bikoi still happens, and we disassociate the smaller actions which include one decent sized ride as a practice run.....

davereid
19th October 2009, 17:30
One question he asked is 'what is your organisation'


I don't think that question should be answered, as it can't be answered honestly.

We are just a group of individuals, we dont have an organisational structure, no clubrooms, chairman, bank account.

We don't by and large even know each others names !.

The internet has given us the power to discuss, and plan, without needing meetings, or a proper organisation.

I say "hey how about a ride to parly to tell we are pissed off"

In the old days, only the folk in the room heard.

Now everyone on KB, BRONZ, ULYSSES, etc etc etc all know.

Tell the police, there is no organisation, its just 50,000 bikers with email.

Leviticus
19th October 2009, 17:44
I don't think that question should be answered, as it can't be answered honestly.

We are just a group of individuals, we dont have an organisational structure, no clubrooms, chairman, bank account.

We don't by and large even know each others names !.

The internet has given us the power to discuss, and plan, without needing meetings, or a proper organisation.

I say "hey how about a ride to parly to tell we are pissed off"

In the old days, only the folk in the room heard.

Now everyone on KB, BRONZ, ULYSSES, etc etc etc all know.

Tell the police, there is no organisation, its just 50,000 bikers with email.

I whole heartedly agree

chanceyy
19th October 2009, 19:37
did anyone see the item on breakfast this morn just aft 7am with Ulysses president asking for all motorcycle clubs, presidents and organisations to get in touch with him to co ordinate a huge protest ride ??

klingon
19th October 2009, 19:41
On the regional vs national stuff, we learned some very interesting things in Auckland on Sunday.

The National Party was holding a conference at a venue near the airport, so we (pretty much spontaneously) decided to turn up and hold a demo outside. Somewhere between 50 and 70 bikes showed up (probably 50 at any one time, 70 in total who came and went over a couple of hours).

It achieved quite a lot:

We learned some things that worked and some that didn't work - all excellent learnings for the BIG BIKOI
We got to meet each other in person and build a bit of trust
We learned what communication methods worked best for getting people there at short notice
We had a huge amount of fun, caused a bit of harmless trouble, and had a laugh
We met some sympathetic police officers
WE GOT NOTICED by the people inside the conference


So overall the event increased our energy levels, rather than decreasing them.

We didn't brand it as a BIKEOI simply because we didn't have any materials yet to brand it with. But I would have been very happy (in hindsight) to have called it a BIKEOI event, and start to get tongues wagging - creating a bit of a buzz... that becomes a hum... that becomes a ROAR on the day of the BIG BIKOI. :2thumbsup

Ixion
19th October 2009, 19:48
..

The internet has given us the power to discuss, and plan, without needing meetings, or a proper organisation.

I say "hey how about a ride to parly to tell we are pissed off"

In the old days, only the folk in the room heard.

Now everyone on KB, BRONZ, ULYSSES, etc etc etc all know.

Tell the police, there is no organisation, its just 50,000 bikers with email.

That's what I told the cops on Sunday. They blinked. But's it's true.

StoneY
19th October 2009, 19:57
did anyone see the item on breakfast this morn just aft 7am with Ulysses president asking for all motorcycle clubs, presidents and organisations to get in touch with him to co ordinate a huge protest ride ??

Yep saw it, intend to e-mail him tomorrow if I can find the e-mail address

chanceyy
19th October 2009, 20:03
Yep saw it, intend to e-mail him tomorrow if I can find the e-mail address

wouldn't a google search locate that? .. sorry I am in the middle of something else or would search myself

Cloggy
19th October 2009, 20:07
<b> <big>President
</big></b>Peter McIntosh
P O Box 5658
Lambton Quay
Wellington 6145
Phone: 04.383.5875
Cellphone: 029.200.6912
Email: president[at]ulysses.org.nz (president@ulysses.org.nz)

Cloggy
19th October 2009, 20:12
did anyone see the item on breakfast this morn just aft 7am with Ulysses president asking for all motorcycle clubs, presidents and organisations to get in touch with him to co ordinate a huge protest ride ??

That's the way it should be done.
Give it a little bit of time and things will fall into place.
Get the big wigs together, big wigs talk to little big wigs who talk to littler wigs who talk to the masses.
Before you know we'll have 5000+ bikes. It won't take long.

StoneY
19th October 2009, 20:13
wouldn't a google search locate that? .. sorry I am in the middle of something else or would search myself

Hehe yep but Cloggy delivered :niceone:

I been busy with other chases, all good
cheers team

StoneY
19th October 2009, 20:23
E-Mail sent to Peter

Invited all Ulyses members to join the BIKOI and posted link to National and Welly thread (only coz I am Welly coord)

:)

BMWST?
19th October 2009, 20:24
Hehe yep but Cloggy delivered :niceone:

I been busy with other chases, all good
cheers team



:Offtopic:that cloggy can find stuff! :Offtopic:

bike4life
19th October 2009, 21:21
A Welly bikers meeting on thursday night sounds good. Cant say i know where the parrot place is tho.:whistle:

StoneY
19th October 2009, 21:24
A Welly bikers meeting on thursday night sounds good. Cant say i know where the parrot place is tho.:whistle:

Right here bro :niceone:

Pedrostt500
19th October 2009, 21:32
A Welly bikers meeting on thursday night sounds good. Cant say i know where the parrot place is tho.:whistle:

The Parrot & Jigger is one of 3 bars in the old Lower Hutt railway Station complex, Hutt Rd, Lower Hutt.
Maybe some one will do a Google map link for you.

Pedrostt500
19th October 2009, 21:49
Once we have more details after the Wednesday night Bronz meeting and the Thursday night Welly parrot and Jigger meeting, is it worth posting the Bikeoi on Silver Bullet as an event, just thinking about how to get in touch with more biker people.
My second thought was is it possible to make a couple of flyers down loadable from this site so any one can print a few or many off, Iwas thinking one version that can be stuck up in Businesses and other institutions, varsities Polytechs etc, and the second version could be neatly folded to be put under seat straps on bikes, with care.
The concept behind these flyers being down loadable is so that they can be used nation wide.

klingon
20th October 2009, 10:22
Once we have more details after the Wednesday night Bronz meeting and the Thursday night Welly parrot and Jigger meeting, is it worth posting the Bikeoi on Silver Bullet as an event, just thinking about how to get in touch with more biker people.
My second thought was is it possible to make a couple of flyers down loadable from this site so any one can print a few or many off, Iwas thinking one version that can be stuck up in Businesses and other institutions, varsities Polytechs etc, and the second version could be neatly folded to be put under seat straps on bikes, with care.
The concept behind these flyers being down loadable is so that they can be used nation wide.

All excellent ideas! YES! :2thumbsup

Skyryder
20th October 2009, 11:54
No and no. Neither petition nor pissy with the ACC. This is a protest against a Government plan to price motorcycling off the road with secondary goal of removing the discriminatory aspect of the separate levy for motorcycles. ( I hope - I may be about to be slapped)

The CEO of ACC publicly supports Smith's proposals. ACC is a fair target. The only thing I would consider is those that are entering or leaving the building.

Skyryder

StoneY
20th October 2009, 12:44
Ulysses Club

Ok, spoke with thier President Peter just now

Ulysses club (as a club) will not be partaking in this event, they see it as counter productive and will (in Peters opinion) annoy the public and get them offside...
They see smaller regional and local rides to MP's as the answer, not anything on the scale we are planning

I have asked him to post his viewpoint on the forum for us, so hopefully he will

He did make a commitment to ensure his members get the news and may attend Thursday's meeting

I have also e-mailed the HOG club

Awaiting thier reply

James Deuce
20th October 2009, 14:10
How about asking him to make sure that his members are togged up properly if they are going to appear riding on Television news items?

325rocket
20th October 2009, 15:32
Ulysses Club

Ok, spoke with thier President Peter just now

Ulysses club (as a club) will not be partaking in this event, they see it as counter productive and will (in Peters opinion) annoy the public and get them offside...


well thats a bit of a let down.

yungatart
20th October 2009, 15:36
Ulysses Club

Ok, spoke with thier President Peter just now

Ulysses club (as a club) will not be partaking in this event, they see it as counter productive and will (in Peters opinion) annoy the public and get them offside...
They see smaller regional and local rides to MP's as the answer, not anything on the scale we are planning

I have asked him to post his viewpoint on the forum for us, so hopefully he will

He did make a commitment to ensure his members get the news and may attend Thursday's meeting

I have also e-mailed the HOG club

Awaiting thier reply

We, too, have been in discussions with Ulysses here. Ulysses does not encourage political activism as a group, but they are happy for their members to be a part of anything we organise and will be passing on our plans to their members.
They will still be involved just not under their Ulysses umbrella (at least, that is what I understand here in HB)

Griffin
20th October 2009, 19:28
Ulysses as a club may not support it... and that is probably a fair call on their part if they are keen to keep their name clean. That however does not stop Ulysses members exercising their own right to join in a large protest action. They would just have to do it without waving the Ulysses name or logos about the place.

nothingflash
20th October 2009, 19:49
Ulysses as a club may not support it... and that is probably a fair call on their part if they are keen to keep their name clean. That however does not stop Ulysses members exercising their own right to join in a large protest action. They would just have to do it without waving the Ulysses name or logos about the place.

I'm not sure it is a question of keeping their name clean - as I understand it "our" intention is to be on best behaviour during any protest rides etc so perhaps they have the wrong end of the stick?

Griffin
20th October 2009, 20:12
"Our" intention is... thats correct, but there are always the odd twats who play up on such gatherings... besides, even without anyone playing up... something of this size and nature (lots of motorbikes) will ruffle some peoples feathers no matter how well we behave. I mean - surely lots of suited up, helmet wearing, motorbike riders must be bad. Maybe they are all a gang. The image scares some people. Just the way it is - cant please everyone.

It would be nice to be able to rid the country of any negative perceptions about bike riders but I dont know that it is possible. Hell... even when we do charity rides we get negative press.

nothingflash
20th October 2009, 20:42
It would be nice to be able to rid the country of any negative perceptions about bike riders but I dont know that it is possible. Hell... even when we do charity rides we get negative press.

Yeah fair enough I guess

wingrider
20th October 2009, 20:55
Hi All,
Have contacted members of the Goldwing Riders Club and passed on details.
As a club we do not intend to be involved but individual members are wanting to come onboard. They are actively browsing this site for events happening in their area and also in respect of the National Event.

Phil from the Bike Clinic Kapiti is also onboard and will try to accompany us with the ute offering a secure breakdown service for us.
He has already plastered posters on the doors and counter and has used his data base of customers to inform them of whats happening.

I have also been approached by members of the public today saying they feel we have been unjustly targeted and provided we behave ourselves on any protest ride will support us by signing petitions and making submissions.

I urge all of us to be on our best behaviour at this time with our riding habits and when talking to the public. Not everyone sees us as the bad guys.

Bend-it
20th October 2009, 22:16
To be expected, really... "established" bike clubs are usually abit afraid to be political... which is why KB is awesome!! 'coz we have no lincense for anyone to revoke... we're just a bunch of morons talking crap!! :2thumbsup:

Let's do this!!

maxf
21st October 2009, 00:02
So - don't blast me here, it's 1am! - when is the likely date? 14-15Nov?

I'm very tempted to try to get across the ditch (in Chch) but i can guess the ferries will be all but accomodating if they can help it...!

(PS - Kapiti guys offering accommodation etc - great to see the long distance commuters getting out, used to really enjoy the wind-down of a ride home when we were in Pukerua Bay!)

Ms Piggy
21st October 2009, 05:28
I have also e-mailed the HOG club

Awaiting thier reply

I emailed WIMA Wellington via their website but have had no reply to date.

StoneY
21st October 2009, 05:43
I'm not sure it is a question of keeping their name clean - as I understand it "our" intention is to be on best behaviour during any protest rides etc so perhaps they have the wrong end of the stick?

No Peter made a good case for not coming as a CLUB.

Basically, my interpretation was, the CLUB wont be involved officially, but he is letting members know so they can choose as individuals

He may even come on Thursday
His feeling is when a number of riders who do not all know each other is a recipe for disaster

He was adamant idiots will misbehave, race, act out, and add to the bad press we already have

He mentioned how the Truckies pissed off everyone in Wellington (wasnt how I recall it and I too was there) and he doesnt agree with ANY form of traffic disruption in the name of our cause as it will get people offside with us

I hope I have clearly passed on his view, it not about "them (Ulysses) and Us, it that they dont want the Ulysses name involved with what they feel may cause bad feelings with Joe Public

I explained in DETAIL how we have been banging on about behavior, Police assistance etc, but could not convince him our members and attendee's will behave

HOG club replied, "be there with bells on!"

:niceone:

wingrider
21st October 2009, 09:18
Just my opinion.

Members of the Goldwing Riders Club have become active in involving themselves in local events as individuals. Our emails have been running hot.

Should anyone ask what group we belong to we will gladly tell them

No one has targeted any group, they have targeted the individual.
we have all been painted with the same label.

An undesirable minority segment in society that if targeted will obtain general public support in the raising of their levies.

Well Guess what. The majority do not see us as the minority or undesirable.

We have all combined to stand united and give support to all those who do not belong to any group ( moped and scooter riders as well) to protest at this action.

The spin doctors who suggested this form of attack are going to get one hell of a wake up call.

Pedrostt500
21st October 2009, 16:57
I belive that it is Dangerious to Asume that we have the backing of the general public, the NZ public is apathetic at the best of times, unless its about a small child or some small furry animal, the child would be able to dine on cat food for the rest of there life, and the small furry animal will enter the rich list with millions of dollar in dedicated trust funds.
So what am I trying to say, don't count all your chickens as hatched untill they do, as we have a long way to go yet, even after the National Bikeoi, we may still have a fight on our hands, because our Foe's are sneaky Bastards, and may have other nasty plans for us.

Bullitt
21st October 2009, 22:11
Just something we may want to consider given what wingrider just said at the end of the last page.

Do we want to encourage scooter riders to support this protest ride as well? If so should we be having a meeting point somewhere they can meet up with us but avoid 100k areas? (remembering many scooter riders dont wear full gear so maybe we wouldnt be helping our cause)

Latch
21st October 2009, 22:42
Is the point to ride to Parliament to present a petition or something? If so then it needs to be a day when the MPs are going to be there. Also, are we pissy with ACC? Do we need to make some noise outside the main ACC building in Wellington?

No, I don't think we're pissy with ACC. The ACC is an absolutely brilliant institution and should be protected and supported. The ACC offices are full of ordinary peons earning their keep, so there's no value in protesting there. But Parliament, and the cretins who'd like to charge us for other people's poor driving? Absolutely, let's be as in their face within the law as we possibly can be.

We really need some leverage on this one - has anyone had an illicit affair with the ministers in question? That would be a help ;)

Latch
21st October 2009, 22:49
Just something we may want to consider given what wingrider just said at the end of the last page.

Do we want to encourage scooter riders to support this protest ride as well? If so should we be having a meeting point somewhere they can meet up with us but avoid 100k areas? (remembering many scooter riders dont wear full gear so maybe we wouldnt be helping our cause)

Yes, we want to encourage scooter riders. I've been chatting with Jess Corbett, who runs ScootWell down here, and she's keen to support, but they're busy with their annual rally (in Hawkes Bay this weekend).

Most of the ScootWell people are pretty sensible about their gear, I'd say. They're not falling off as fast as us, and they are at least wearing more gear than say, cyclists, who are falling off nearly as fast as scooterists!

Thinking about it today, I imagined a rally of every type of rider in their respective groups. Racers, cruisers, scooters, tourers, off-roaders, etc. Ok, it might be hard to manage, but it would be very impressive to watch. People would really notice and talk about it. It would really bring home the fact of our solidarity.

(Actually, I'd hazard it'd be no harder to manage than the rally generally, and would keep the road use similar for each bike type - scoots would be slower, race bikes need more turning room, Harley riders need more room on either side for their beards to flap in the wind, etc) ;)

zjet
21st October 2009, 23:46
I think this is a great idea and feel the more the better, I,m currently on the looking for work poll atm so if you need help flick us a PM happy to help out as i have free time. I also have a spare bed in Kapiti if needed.

Oxy
22nd October 2009, 06:29
If they do force the new ACC levies on us, then I would want to see an option to register my bike for weekends and public holidays only. I often ride my bike to work and park it where I can see it.. never get sick of looking at it, or riding it for that matter, but I would sacrifice the ride to work Mon to Fri (reluctantly) to keep my costs down.

The obvious best option is to scrap the ridiculous excess, but what are our chances? ... and no, I haven't given up the fight!

nothingflash
22nd October 2009, 06:30
Harley riders need more room on either side for their beards to flap in the wind, etc) ;)

:lol:.....

wingrider
22nd October 2009, 07:30
No, I don't think we're pissy with ACC. The ACC is an absolutely brilliant institution and should be protected and supported. The ACC offices are full of ordinary peons earning their keep, so there's no value in protesting there. But Parliament, and the cretins who'd like to charge us for other people's poor driving? Absolutely, let's be as in their face within the law as we possibly can be.

We really need some leverage on this one - has anyone had an illicit affair with the ministers in question? That would be a help ;)


I couldn't agree more with your points about ACC being a brilliant institution and about the general workers within ACC.
They are only doing their bosses bidding and I bet there are a few riders there. I do not want to piss them off.

What I am annoyed about is that an executive officer from ACC went to Nasty Nick with a report in hand that labeled every INDIVIDUAL RIDER of whatever two wheeled machine there is as the Bad Boys and Girls of society.
This report also contained statements that we have proven are without fact and are misleading.

Nick, without checking the validity of this report then chose to stick his face in front of a camera and tell the public that we are a burden on ACC.
I was appalled when a lawyer representing ACC and defending the increase makes a statement on national TV that "if we choose to belong to a minority group in todays society then we should expect to be charged more for doing so". His bias against motorcyclists was more than apparent.

Its not ACC as such that we need to vent our anger against, it is the senior officials that have allowed these misleading reports to be put before the public and therefor I consider those persons as fair game. Likewise Nick Smith as Minister for using these reports without confirming that they are correct in fact befor trying to put his crooked smile on TV.

lets make a noise at ACC HQ but target the individual not the institution.

Azi Dahaka
22nd October 2009, 08:09
I know this may seem bad as per say but I signed up to this site because of all this acc crap.

Just venting here but when he (smith) says our accidents cost more and on average we cost less than num nuts on push bikes and even pedestrians. And that we are being charged more because this is a no fault organisation and then they go about and say we wont give acc assistance to criminals because it is there fault as per say the hypocrites just get to me.

So I will support a ride but after reading all persons posts on this thread I agree with the national over the local/regional view.
Even if we get several hundred bikes it won be the impact of several thousand. And as one person said who I forget people will see the first then the second and say big woop it has already been done.

I agree and understand the clubs like so many others on this site but I am happy their members will support any ride event though the club as per say wont.

Jacknz
22nd October 2009, 08:15
I understand how important it is to organse the protest action so that as a group we can be listened too and taken seriously.

A large part of protesting on mass is the actually herding of cats part, having a consistent message that doesn't get diluted by noise and maintaining everyones interest.

I just wonder whether the focus on the Bikoi's is focusing everyone on an event or series of events is limiting an overall ground swell response.

I'm not saying the BIKOI's are a bad thing - I'll be there tonight.

We've got weeks to raise the profile of this issue in the public and politicians minds.

Every day we could be visibly protesting in a small unorganised way, by for example wearing something as we ride as a symbol of protest. And I know the t-shirts are coming - its still another 20 bucks though and not everyone would get 1.

so what about a "We're seeing Red - So wear something Red" type activity. If enough bikers tied something to their bikes (small flag like effect) and that started to grow over time that every bike you saw was passively protesting this way. the visibility of the protest would be every day not just for these Bikoi rides.

would be a great added effect to any major convoy of bikes as well.

just an idea.

StoneY
22nd October 2009, 09:22
Hi all

To keep this meeting in order, I have decided on a few basic rules

7 PM sharp it starts

We KNOW this is unfair, we KNOW they lied, lets not waste precious planning time arguing what we know already

As coordinator I have final say on who gets speak/presentation time, no arguments have a VALID point to present PM me for a time slot and a basic line of what your point is -

I have arranged security with several big, sensible lads so hecklers, you WILL be hoofed out of there, no rabble rousing please

I intend to allow Mr Plod to present the Police line first, sets some basic expecttations we can then fit to with our plan

NO Alcohol in this meeting- have a beer after but NONE to be present in meeting room- NONE!!!! NO EXCEPTIONS

Genreal points for dicussion:

Timing
Plan of attack
BEHAVIOR while on this ride
Press
Spokesman- (what who why how) likely Kari but what do we have her present?

Once 'appointed presenters' have had thier say I will open the floor and welcome other speakers to have thier say
No ranting please, sane well presented argumants only
(I know im a hypocrite but tonight is important guys n gals)

ukusa
22nd October 2009, 11:24
I'm sure us bikers can make a bigger impression than this
http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/2986293/Night-class-petition-handed-over
Are there any biker MP's joining in?

sinfull
22nd October 2009, 13:10
NO Alcohol in this meeting- have a beer after but NONE to be present in meeting room- NONE!!!! NO EXCEPTIONS


Let me know how it goes !


I have arranged security with several big, sensible lads so hecklers, you WILL be hoofed out of there, no rabble rousing please
Allmost tempted me !!!

Arrange a meeting at a pub and then say no booze !
May as well take me to a whore house and tell me we're window shopping !

Bald Eagle
22nd October 2009, 13:13
Let me know how it goes !

Allmost tempted me !!!

Arrange a meeting at a pub and then say no booze !
May as well take me to a whore house and tell me we're window shopping !

I'll have one of those double hung windows then can I can I please ??

Hailwood
22nd October 2009, 13:16
Just wondering if it is a Bikeoi is it only for maori bikes..Hongida, Suzukai, Kawakawasaki, Narley davidson, Yamahaei....just wondering?

StoneY
22nd October 2009, 13:18
Allmost tempted me !!!

Arrange a meeting at a pub and then say no booze !
May as well take me to a whore house and tell me we're window shopping !


You shit stirrer you :D

As I say none IN the meeting.....do what ya like at the bar bro

:lol:

Reasons:
Top Cop in attendance
Reporters (rumor has it TV3 are coming)

All jokes aside, how DO we want this to be seen?
Drunken, brawling, leather clad morons?
Or sensible, tax paying contributors to society?

And the Parrot was the only sympathetic venue I could find.......(only one I rang tbh)

sinfull
22nd October 2009, 13:24
Drunken, brawling, leather clad morons?

Bugger, will have to tell the lads they aint wellcome ! Kensington house it is then !

StoneY
22nd October 2009, 13:42
Bugger, will have to tell the lads they aint wellcome ! Kensington house it is then !

(I know it well)

modboy
22nd October 2009, 15:10
All jokes aside, how DO we want this to be seen?
Drunken, brawling, leather clad morons?
Or sensible, tax paying contributors to society?




I didn't think they were mutually exclusive - I consider myself a drunken brawling leather clad sensible tax paying contributor to society.

[i draw the line at moronic]

Will try to make it for a listen - but have a meeting at work which will no doubt overlap.

grbaker
22nd October 2009, 15:30
Ulysses Club President got it wrong with the Truckies protest.

Yep, they blocked up the motorway and a few dumbarse car drivers got pissed with them, but the made their point well known depite media over hype.

Its a pity we are not rallying yesterady and today since they have been arguing the ACC changes in the house (well Maori party just said they would support it so they don't have to turn up for work).

Whilst I'm not recommending any hoonisism (that has to be a word)... I don't think we should be handing out flowers. It is a protest.:beer:


I do wonder how they really lost 10-13 Billion dollars.... I don't buy the "Antie Helen said it was okay to over spend" bit,

zjet
22nd October 2009, 15:53
If this gets as big as i think it could the last thing we are going to need is some one going for a skid and the media all over it. Headlines would go some thing like
"Big biker ACC meeting ends in horrific crash"
or
"Biker clocked at (insert speed here) after ACC meeting"

I would like to put forward a call for all people on anything with 2 wheels for the day that we plan this ride to be Nanas for the day understand the reason and respect why.

I know this is an ego blow on my part as i,m nothing of no one but I really felt it needed to be said.

modboy
22nd October 2009, 16:03
If this gets as big as i think it could the last thing we are going to need is some one going for a skid and the media all over it. Headlines would go some thing like
"Big biker ACC meeting ends in horrific crash"
or
"Biker clocked at (insert speed here) after ACC meeting"

I would like to put forward a call for all people on anything with 2 wheels for the day that we plan this ride to be Nanas for the day understand the reason and respect why.

I know this is an ego blow on my part as i,m nothing of no one but I really felt it needed to be said.

Totally totally agree zjet ! I think EVERYONE has to be on their game totally. The term herding cats has been used. A few thousand people on bikes could become very messy.

Wouldn't want to jinx anything but I def think everyone has to be extra careful.

I've bunny hopped a few bikes after a peleton has come down in front of me in a cycle race - but my condor is 6kgs. The Thruxton is 220kgs...

I heard you can bunny hop daytonas tho :niceone:

sinfull
22nd October 2009, 16:04
If this gets as big as i think it could the last thing we are going to need is some one going for a skid and the media all over it. Headlines would go some thing like
"Big biker ACC meeting ends in horrific crash"
or
"Biker clocked at (insert speed here) after ACC meeting"

I would like to put forward a call for all people on anything with 2 wheels for the day that we plan this ride to be Nanas for the day understand the reason and respect why.

I know this is an ego blow on my part as i,m nothing of no one but I really felt it needed to be said. Bring the megaphone on the day bro ! There will prolly be a couple of thousand riders there, that would not have read that post !!

It happened at the last protest, where the media picked up on some hoonish riding as ppl were leaving parliment !

Wasn't me !



I heard you can bunny hop daytonas tho :niceone: Got to catch em first !!!

Ms Piggy
22nd October 2009, 17:26
Reasons:
Top Cop in attendance
Reporters (rumor has it TV3 are coming)
Sent ya a PM - I'm happy to help out as a bit of a note taker tonight.

James Deuce
22nd October 2009, 18:02
Sent ya a PM - I'm happy to help out as a bit of a note taker tonight.

She means money. Keep your wallets close.

Cloggy
22nd October 2009, 19:55
Big thumbs up to you both. :2thumbsup Tonights meeting at the P & J was great.
Stoney, it is incredible the amount of work you have put into this already.
And Nasty, you make a great public speaker.
There were lots of good positive contributions and ideas from the floor as well.
Well done everyone.

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Ms Piggy
22nd October 2009, 20:03
She means money. Keep your wallets close.

Mwah hah hah!!! You posted it tooooo late, too laaaaaaaate!!!

:banana: Well done StoneY!!! It was a great meeting with excellent and valid discussion and clear ideas about what everyone there wanted, i.e. not to piss off the public but to educate them and get them on our side.

I've got the email addresses and will be setting up a group email so everyone who attended can be sent the notes taken and some of the keys ideas we came up with.

Good work everyone!! :2thumbsup

nothingflash
22nd October 2009, 20:10
Mwah hah hah!!! You posted it tooooo late, too laaaaaaaate!!!

:banana: Well done StoneY!!! It was a great meeting with excellent and valid discussion and clear ideas about what everyone there wanted, i.e. not to piss off the public but to educate them and get them on our side.

I've got the email addresses and will be setting up a group email so everyone who attended can be sent the notes taken and some of the keys ideas we came up with.

Good work everyone!! :2thumbsup

Hi, any chance those notes can be shared further afield with those that couldn't be there?

Ms Piggy
22nd October 2009, 20:14
Hi, any chance those notes can be shared further afield with those that couldn't be there?

I'm sure they will - a member of WIMA took them down, I believe she's a KBer too so we'll work it out.

nothingflash
22nd October 2009, 20:17
I'm sure they will - a member of WIMA took them down, I believe she's a KBer too so we'll work it out.

Sweet - excuse my ignorance...what is WIMA?

Ms Piggy
22nd October 2009, 20:22
Sweet - excuse my ignorance...what is WIMA? Women's International Motorcycle Association http://www.wima.org.nz/pages/frontPage.php :)

klingon
22nd October 2009, 20:27
Sweet - excuse my ignorance...what is WIMA?

Women's International Motorcycling Association
http://www.wima.org.nz/pages/frontPage.php

klingon
22nd October 2009, 20:31
Women's International Motorcycle Association http://www.wima.org.nz/pages/frontPage.php :)

Ooops sorry, I was too slow! :pinch:

Pedrostt500
22nd October 2009, 21:01
I can organise a mate who has a mobile Cafe, and does realy good coffee, to be at the duck pond on the 17th nov, he could set up the night before, so he doesn't need move while the Bikeoi assembles there.
This is just a suggestion at the moment.

nothingflash
22nd October 2009, 21:05
Women's International Motorcycle Association http://www.wima.org.nz/pages/frontPage.php :)


Women's International Motorcycling Association
http://www.wima.org.nz/pages/frontPage.php

Thanks people

James Deuce
22nd October 2009, 21:27
I can organise a mate who has a mobile Cafe, and does realy good coffee, to be at the duck pond on the 17th nov, he could set up the night before, so he doesn't need move while the Bikeoi assembles there.
This is just a suggestion at the moment.

Make sure he takes the wheels with him when he leaves it there.

325rocket
22nd October 2009, 21:33
haven't read all post so this might have come up before but make sure your bike is legal. it wouldn't surprise me if the police do a reg / wof check on all bikes that are parked up on the day.

StoneY
22nd October 2009, 21:34
Great show tonight

We had Cops, Industry reps, WIMA, Peter from Ulysses, HOG's wonderful president and many other good people with valid points to raise

Cheers Kari, thanks for running the meeting so well

And all who attended, thank you all of the very well spoken points raised, and the excellent rational behaviour

We learned a lot tonight, and made many good connections too

Information will be filtered back to you all

Peace

Laxi
22nd October 2009, 21:36
Make sure he takes the wheels with him when he leaves it there.

thanks james! was looking forward to having my own coffee machine in the garage:mad:

sinfull
22nd October 2009, 21:41
Great show tonight

We had Cops, Industry reps, WIMA, Peter from Ulysses, HOG's wonderful president and many other good people with valid points to raise

Cheers Kari, thanks for running the meeting so well

And all who attended, thank you all of the very well spoken points raised, and the excellent rational behaviour

We learned a lot tonight, and made many good connections too

Information will be filtered back to you all

Peace:msn-wink::wait:

Pedrostt500
22nd October 2009, 21:46
Make sure he takes the wheels with him when he leaves it there.

its about 11.5 mtrs long, he lives in the front 2/3rds, and runs a cafe out of the back 1/3rd, he does event cattering all over the North Island.

sinfull
22nd October 2009, 21:48
its about 11.5 mtrs long, he lives in the front 2/3rds, and runs a cafe out of the back 1/3rd, he does event cattering all over the North Island.

Tell him he may be able to sleep late if he camps at the duck pond !!

gazmascelle
22nd October 2009, 21:53
I can organise a mate who has a mobile Cafe, and does realy good coffee, to be at the duck pond on the 17th nov, he could set up the night before, so he doesn't need move while the Bikeoi assembles there.
This is just a suggestion at the moment.

I wouldn't mind bringing the BBQ but not sure yet how to strap it to my bike :2guns:

modboy
22nd October 2009, 21:58
Great show tonight

We had Cops, Industry reps, WIMA, Peter from Ulysses, HOG's wonderful president and many other good people with valid points to raise

Cheers Kari, thanks for running the meeting so well

And all who attended, thank you all of the very well spoken points raised, and the excellent rational behaviour

We learned a lot tonight, and made many good connections too

Information will be filtered back to you all

Peace

Stony - great to meet you (homeboy, haha) and some of the other KB nutters - excellent crew !

Wish I could have got there earlier. Looking forward to the bikeoi!

cheers
modboy (aka steve)

Ms Piggy
23rd October 2009, 06:28
I've got all the email addresses (still checking on a couple that bounced back) and have created a gmail account with the email address wgtnridersaccprotest@gmail.com and I'm happy to utilise this as a way to communicate with people at the meeting who aren't Kiwibiker members and/or distribute info (several people mentioned feeling a bit overwhelmed by all the posts on Kiwibiker and not being able to easily find resources as a result - not a criticism just a fact).

These are my notes - feel free to copy & distribute them to those who couldn't attend, I'm aware I may have missed some stuff. CherryB also took notes and will be sharing these.


We’re not about “pissing off the public” but educating them and getting them on-side.
Be clear about the facts.
31st Oct. 09 is a Wellington Rally (not a protest ride) venue TBA by Peter Macintosh of Ulysses.
17th Nov. 09 is the BIKEOI date:

We want a co-ordinated, safe and law abiding BIKEOI.
The WCC will assist with parking
The Police would like to be informed of an approximate number of riders that will attend (StoneY will liaise with the Police)
Ensure everyone knows the rules for the BIKEOI, i.e. no wheel stands, no running lights etc.
StoneY will liaise with (a woman whose name I didn't get) around risk assessment measures for the BIKEOI.

Visit your local MP in person and discuss your concerns.
Make pamphlets/posters/information accessible to everyone.
Involve as many riders by spreading the word!
ACC protest t-shirts can be purchased from http://www.quasimoto.co.nz/products/acc-protest-t-shirts
A suggestion made to instruct/advise riders about the BIKEOI is newspaper advertising (Ms Piggy following this up with WIMA, Ulysses & Wgtn HOG).
Ms Piggy will liaise with potential contacts at Radio NZ National.
If you can offer accommodation to any out of towners attending the BIKEOI on 17th Nov: please contact Mom on Kiwibiker.
If you can help out in your lunch hour handing out information pamphlets: please contact Bend-it on Kiwibiker.

James Deuce
23rd October 2009, 06:36
Good work Cathy.

One thing you've left off is a Comms Strategy. RNZ have an agenda that doesn't benefit us, so you need to be prepared if someone sticks a mic in your face, and don't go seeking them out. They've already proved that they are looking for violent confrontation where there is none (Thanks for that sound bite Mr Breen - not).

Make sure the "word" you are spreading is no more than three points anyone can remember and that goes for ALL comms - posters, press releases, telephone conversations, face to face interviews.. Decide what this issue is and then communicate it effectively. If anyone tries to drag you outside the brief, a simple "No Comment" will suffice.

Stick to the game plan.

You guys have to decide what that game plan is.

No more than three points. Preferably one. Two is an acceptable compromise, but adds complexity.

That was three points.

Ms Piggy
23rd October 2009, 06:43
Good work Cathy.

One thing you've left off is a Comms Strategy. RNZ have an agenda that doesn't benefit us, so you need to be prepared if someone sticks a mic in your face, and don't go seeking them out. They've already proved that they are looking for violent confrontation where there is none (Thanks for that sound bite Mr Breen - not).

Make sure the "word" you are spreading is no more than three points anyone can remember and that goes for ALL comms - posters, press releases, telephone conversations, face to face interviews.. Decide what this issue is and then communicate it effectively. If anyone tries to drag you outside the brief, a simple "No Comment" will suffice.

Stick to the game plan.

You guys have to decide what that game plan is.

No more than three points. Preferably one. Two is an acceptable compromise, but adds complexity.

That was three points.

Ah hah! Thanks and great point Mr2! That was briefly discussed and it was generally agreed (I think) that the "no comment" response is appropriate and referring them onto a designated spokesperson - I can't recall who that was.....anyone?

I do agreed with your idea of having some succinct and consistent points - I believe some of the key issues people spoke of were:

Motorcycle riders have a smaller carbon foot print & therefore contribute positively to the environment.
The "stats" being reported by ACC are incorrect and misrepresented.
Motorcycle riders are being penalised when others who have high injuries and high ACC use pay $0.


There may have been some others too but that's a quick brief summary of what I can recall - I wonder if for each of us we choose the 3 issues that are most important for us and read up/educate ourselves on those. I think it's better to have good knowledge of a few valid points than general and wishy washy opinions of lots of stuff. We'll look far more impressive saying exactly why we're upset as opposed to saying "ACC sucks and it's a unfair!"...if ya know what I mean?

jrandom
23rd October 2009, 06:45
No more than... Preferably one. Two... That was three points.

Amongst your points are such diverse elements as...

Quasi
23rd October 2009, 06:46
StoneY - thanks for organising an excellant meeting, and for the massive amount of work you have done to date . Like I have said before - your commitment and passion are inspiring- we luv yah mate.
Kari - thanks for holding it all together and keeping it flowing smoothly. Attendees - thanks for all the great ideas, suggestions and most of all - the sensibility. It was a sane, calm, well structured meet.
This is the message we all must remember and keep getting across - sensibleness and calm.
Most important to get the group ride message out there. This is going to be critical on the day.
Roll on 31/10 and 17/11.

mowgli
23rd October 2009, 06:51
If anyone tries to drag you outside the brief, a simple "No Comment" will suffice.
Top advice JD although the contemporary strategy dealing with press interviews is to repeat the key message rather than say "no comment" as this can easily be edited out of context. Same goes for yes, no and maybe. Always respond in full sentences along the lines of the key message.

Azi Dahaka
23rd October 2009, 06:53
Had a though after the meeting last night after I was laying down to sleep sorry I had to leave early other commitments. Stony have you contacted the Porirua city council, kapiti city council and hutt city council they are all separate entities from Wellington city council and since we will be starting off our rides from in these areas and a large number of bikes will pass through it might be good to give them a heads up.

mowgli
23rd October 2009, 06:58
Ah hah! Thanks and great point Mr2! That was briefly discussed and it was generally agreed (I think) that the "no comment" response is appropriate and referring them onto a designated spokesperson - I can't recall who that was.....anyone?
Not quite. Every participant should be familiar with the key messages and ready to trot them out if approached by the press. Subsequent questions can be referred to a spokesman if necessary. "No comment" suggests we have something to hide or that we aren't confident about why we're there. We'll have far greater impact when the key message is heard again and again.

Ms Piggy
23rd October 2009, 07:03
Had a though after the meeting last night after I was laying down to sleep sorry I had to leave early other commitments. Stony have you contacted the Porirua city council, kapiti city council and hutt city council they are all separate entities from Wellington city council and since we will be starting off our rides from in these areas and a large number of bikes will pass through it might be good to give them a heads up.

Great idea! Is that you volunteering yourself ;)

James Deuce
23rd October 2009, 07:04
Not quite. Every participant should be familiar with the key messages and ready to trot them out if approached by the press. Subsequent questions can be referred to a spokesman if necessary. "No comment" suggests we have something to hide or that we aren't confident about why we're there. We'll have far greater impact when the key message is heard again and again.

Fair points, but give the usual rant response given on KB whenever someone says ANYTHING that is counter to a prevailing view, I think motorcyclists may want to consider "No comment" fair territory.

"No comment" could be, "Would you like to chat with our spokesperson? I can get you a spot in a couple of minutes."

Stuff like that. You have to be cognizant of the fact that we're a fairly loose unit as a group and I'm not yet convinced that we HAVE a message, much less one that communicates the correct message. It MUSN'T be a rant about the proposed increases, whatever it is. I can live in hope I guess.

Ms Piggy
23rd October 2009, 07:05
Not quite. Every participant should be familiar with the key messages and ready to trot them out if approached by the press. Subsequent questions can be referred to a spokesman if necessary. "No comment" suggests we have something to hide or that we aren't confident about why we're there. We'll have far greater impact when the key message is heard again and again.

Yes I agree:
I wonder if for each of us we choose the 3 issues that are most important for us and read up/educate ourselves on those. I think it's better to have good knowledge of a few valid points than general and wishy washy opinions of lots of stuff. We'll look far more impressive saying exactly why we're upset as opposed to saying "ACC sucks and it's a unfair!"...if ya know what I mean?
And also Mr 2's point is helpful:
"No comment" could be, "Would you like to chat with our spokesperson? I can get you a spot in a couple of minutes."

StoneY
23rd October 2009, 07:37
But..ACC SUX and its UNFAAAAIR!!! :lol:

Good stuff team

Kari has a publicly credible famous person with real cred's lined up to be our speaker at parliament, I vote for Ixion as nominated 'leader' on the day

I am contacting the councils today, Porirua Hutt and Kapiti

Thanks to everyone there last nigh

If we pull off this sort of unity on the day......awesome

oh yeah...Dom Post- Page 3 (Antonio let us down, no pix!)

325rocket
23rd October 2009, 08:22
I vote for Ixion as nominated 'leader' on the day


ill second that

igormortis
23rd October 2009, 08:47
Motorcycle riders have a smaller carbon foot print & therefore contribute positively to the environment.


I think this argument should be avoided. It doesn't relate at all to the issue at hand, and in a lot of cases is simply untrue. Also note that unless you're a tree you can't be contributing positively as far as a carbon footprint is concerned.

Ms Piggy
23rd October 2009, 08:55
I think this argument should be avoided. It doesn't relate at all to the issue at hand, and in a lot of cases is simply untrue. Also note that unless you're a tree you can't be contributing positively as far as a carbon footprint is concerned.
I see your point but for me personally it's a valid reason.

It's something I need to research a little more and get some facts on however, someone at the meeting last night introduced it as a point because NZ are part of the Kyoto Protocol - so how can discouraging people from riding motorbikes (by increasing the costs) enable NZ to lower our emissions?

Laxi
23rd October 2009, 09:08
I wouldn't mind bringing the BBQ but not sure yet how to strap it to my bike :2guns:

serrious point! maybe not BBQs but if you need somone to take stuff in that cant fit on bikes, I can organise my wife to take the cage in, trailer too if needed

StoneY
23rd October 2009, 09:24
I think this argument should be avoided. It doesn't relate at all to the issue at hand, and in a lot of cases is simply untrue. Also note that unless you're a tree you can't be contributing positively as far as a carbon footprint is concerned.

Its a supporting factor Igor, not the 'focus'

We add it as an afterthought, like;
' .............so thats our case vs the Levy's. Oh, and BTW, Motorcycles have a very low carbon footprint, why would you want less of us on the road?...."

wingrider
23rd October 2009, 09:25
To Stoney,

Have you seen the contridiction on Stuffs Political page?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/2992124/Protesters-bikoi-on-a-roll


'Wellington police and council officials are bracing for the arrival of a national motorcycle protest, in response to ACC Minister Nick Smith's refusal to speak to bikers.

Up to 3000 motorcyclists are expected to roll into the capital on November 17 for a "bikoi", over proposed rises in ACC levies.

The protest's Wellington co-ordinator, Brent Hutchison, said the levy rise – up to $500 per bike – was a "manifest injustice". Bikers were easy targets because they had a false reputation. "We pay ACC levies through the nose. It's time for them to back off and realise we are contributing, law-abiding, tax-paying members of society."

A spokesman for Dr Smith said he was aware of motorcyclists' concerns. He planned to meet a delegation in Nelson this weekend as well as next month's protesters.

Whats the true statement?

James Deuce
23rd October 2009, 09:26
serrious point! maybe not BBQs but if you need somone to take stuff in that cant fit on bikes, I can organise my wife to take the cage in, trailer too if needed
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ovJS1Em-6dg/R6RzGq3HskI/AAAAAAAATzI/9AYZ9Dh9qbw/s400/stuart.jpg

StoneY
23rd October 2009, 09:35
Im not happy with Dom Post mate they only put in one of the 3 points I made

And I never said Smith 'refused to speak with us' I have no idea where he got that lead from... bloody reporters

He also renegged on the photo of me Hawkeye and Bald eagle (showing 3 genetrations of riders and thier machines)


There isnt too much harm done though

Ullyses have a meeting with him on the weekend, as long as on the day TV coverage is impartial I will be happy


As you have shown with the bolded limes, he contradicted himself, but thats far from what I said TO him as usual

He did quote me exactly on the manifest injustice and paying through the nose so cant scream FOUL too loudly,

I think the main point got accross...we are on the way in our THOUSANDS!

StoneY
23rd October 2009, 09:36
quoted image removed

LOVE it, +10 :)

wingrider
23rd October 2009, 09:52
A Thought.
(one of those very rear moments)

Although short notice, if we can invite those persons who have not ridden in a mass group before to come to the events organized on the 31st. and have others brief them well on the expectations and safety points.
Could be a good PR tool if media were present to show that we take this seriously enough to ensure that we educate our people.
JMHO

Leviticus
23rd October 2009, 09:56
A Thought.
(one of those very rear moments)

Although short notice, if we can invite those persons who have not ridden in a mass group before to come to the events organized on the 31st. and have others brief them well on the expectations and safety points.

JMHO

A good idea. I am all for this and will strongly advise anyone who hasn't ridden like this before to go along:2thumbsup

StoneY
23rd October 2009, 10:00
Yep

Slightly different from the regular group riders who KNOW the etiquette
We need to hammer it home to non experienced group riders

We need a 'cut down' version of basic Group Ride Guide to fit on an A5 handout

And on the daty (17th) we need a few people to gather the PUG's (gamer term for Public Unknown Group) and give them a solid briefing

Buck Buck springs to mind for some reason.... :lol:

Azi Dahaka
23rd October 2009, 10:23
quoted image removed

See motorbikes are used for more than just joy riding this is what we should be conveying to ACC does this look like leisure to them or transportation of small goods?

Anomaly
23rd October 2009, 10:33
what you doing stoney is great...keep up the awesome work

Waxxa
23rd October 2009, 10:56
A Thought.
(one of those very rear moments)

Although short notice, if we can invite those persons who have not ridden in a mass group before to come to the events organized on the 31st. and have others brief them well on the expectations and safety points.
Could be a good PR tool if media were present to show that we take this seriously enough to ensure that we educate our people.
JMHO

Good point Wingrider. I personally do not enjoy riding in rallies as there are a lot of riders who are inexperienced in riding in such large groups or are unaware of ettiquette in riding in a large group.

And since there will be thousands of bikes in Wellington the last thing we need the media to pick us up on are how many accidents/injuries occured whilst the protest took place.

klingon
23rd October 2009, 11:22
Good point Wingrider. I personally do not enjoy riding in rallies as there are a lot of riders who are inexperienced in riding in such large groups or are unaware of ettiquette in riding in a large group.

And since there will be thousands of bikes in Wellington the last thing we need the media to pick us up on are how many accidents/injuries occured whilst the protest took place.

We should convince Star insurance to provide special personal injury insurance for the ride. That way if there are any 'incidents' we never have to report them to ACC! ;)

coffeejunkie
23rd October 2009, 11:51
Ok so balzy & up are up for both days.....All i need to know is when & where? we will be comming from Porirua

WuZards-Eugene
23rd October 2009, 12:04
I am sure that if someone talked nicely to Andrew Templeton at RoadSafe he could put on a brief spiel to those who have not ridden en-masse before.

StoneY
23rd October 2009, 12:47
Ok so balzy & up are up for both days.....All i need to know is when & where? we will be comming from Porirua

Papakowhai, along the front of the Police College is where that gathering will be

Might have a few MP's willing to pillion in...watch for more info

Azi Dahaka
23rd October 2009, 12:49
several of my work mates ride bikes what time are we meeting at the duckpond in avalon.

a second point is several of my workmates ride scooters that wouldnt for their life make 50 kms/hr what are we promoting to thoes people for this protest

Ms Piggy
23rd October 2009, 13:07
a second point is several of my workmates ride scooters that wouldnt for their life make 50 kms/hr what are we promoting to thoes people for this protest
That was something we did talk about last night - finding a safe point for the scooter riders to join in the ride. That may be something to talk to a BRONZ rep about.

StoneY
23rd October 2009, 13:10
The current thinking about Scooters is they gather on the slip road beside Aotea Quay in Wellington, and filter in as we slow doan and stop at the lights for our Bunny st turn

We have to find out who manages that road, council, Harbour Board or LTSA (if LTSA Peter Baird can get us permission)

To be confirmed but I for one think its a great spot and cant think of one better

Many of the 125cc scooters and up can ahndle the highway leg, but the wee pee wee 60k<<< jobbies will have to have a gathering point IN the city for sure

Azi Dahaka
23rd October 2009, 13:13
as for the time on the day i want to print off several of thoes flyers and place them on peoples bikes around the lower hutt hospital campus where i work

i just want to be able to stick a flyer to their bikes so they know where to go if they want to join us.

Azi Dahaka
23rd October 2009, 13:45
i just showed the word if you can call it that bikoi to our maori advisor and he said that was very good makes alot of sence as he was giggling to himself

klingon
23rd October 2009, 13:48
i just showed the word if you can call it that bikoi to our maori advisor and he said that was very good makes alot of sence as he was giggling to himself

Yeah my Maori Language advisor had the same response. (Except mine chuckled in a manly way instead of giggling.)

Azi Dahaka
23rd October 2009, 13:52
yeah well mine had a key to the city when he was a kid he said it was teh crowbar lol

DougieNZ
23rd October 2009, 14:04
ltsa (if ltsa peter baird can get us permission)

ltsa = nzta

Ixion
23rd October 2009, 14:28
.. I'm not yet convinced that we HAVE a message, much less one that communicates the correct message. ..

No. We don't.

That's a task for next week. First the battle for the heart. Then the battle for the mind

zjet
23rd October 2009, 14:37
I would like to find the info on stats for accidents and cause's Sorry to be asking for it here but i,m young and lack of knowledge is not helping me find it. I,m wanting to put together some info that will go with our cause. We need a wow factor for the media that gives them a good story and also gets the joe public to sit up on their seats and say wow ACC have been telling porkies there. So a point in the right direction please.

Also on a side note people may want to add into their submissions the fact that paying higher ACC leives will see people neglecting to buy gear that save lives.
Yes this can be fact as I for one still need to get propper gear and would have to hold off getting it.

Nice quote I have found from LTSA
"the number of motorcycle crashes has fallen over the past decade"

Oxy
23rd October 2009, 14:38
I wouldn't mind bringing the BBQ but not sure yet how to strap it to my bike :2guns:

Tow it :2thumbsup

Ixion
23rd October 2009, 14:46
Support vehicle(s) will be needed. Who has a ute or van?

Azi Dahaka
23rd October 2009, 14:47
I would like to find the info on stats for accidents and cause's Sorry to be asking for it here but i,m young and lack of knowledge is not helping me find it. I,m wanting to put together some info that will go with our cause. We need a wow factor for the media that gives them a good story and also gets the joe public to sit up on their seats and say wow ACC have been telling porkies there. So a point in the right direction please.

Also on a side note people may want to add into their submissions the fact that paying higher ACC leives will see people neglecting to buy gear that save lives.
Yes this can be fact as I for one still need to get propper gear and would have to hold off getting it.

Nice quote I have found from LTSA
"the number of motorcycle crashes has fallen over the past decade"


well i know it sounds negative but that would mean more deaths and less acc claims i am sure acc would love that

StoneY
23rd October 2009, 14:55
Support vehicle(s) will be needed. Who has a ute or van?

Sorted bro

TSS Red Baron and at least 3 other bike shops have offered thier workshop pickups for this task

TSS have shut shop for 17th and EVERY one of the staff coming on bikes, and one in the truck

Wingrider had a ute/secure trailer combo lined up too I believe

Hopeful Bastard
23rd October 2009, 16:14
Sorted bro

TSS Red Baron and at least 3 other bike shops have offered thier workshop pickups for this task

TSS have shut shop for 17th and EVERY one of the staff coming on bikes, and one in the truck

Wingrider had a ute/secure trailer combo lined up too I believe


Wooohooo!!

Gubb
23rd October 2009, 16:20
What can I do Stoney?

Ms Piggy
23rd October 2009, 16:31
Crazy fecker wif the BBQ

Cannot...breeeeath...larfing toooo hard.....:2thumbsup

Bend-it
23rd October 2009, 16:35
Yayyy!! Biggest birthday bash I've ever had! Will be there!

nothingflash
23rd October 2009, 17:12
Sorted bro

TSS Red Baron and at least 3 other bike shops have offered thier workshop pickups for this task

TSS have shut shop for 17th and EVERY one of the staff coming on bikes, and one in the truck

Wingrider had a ute/secure trailer combo lined up too I believe

Nice!!! :niceone: You're doing a top job StoneY!

StoneY
23rd October 2009, 17:15
Yayyy!! Biggest birthday bash I've ever had! Will be there!

Mate are you the 17th too??????

My 40th is the BIKOI day


Yay!

nothingflash
23rd October 2009, 17:18
Mate are you the 17th too??????

My 40th is the BIKOI day


Yay!

You're shout at the Backbencher across the road afterwards then? "I'll have 7,000 Heinekens please"

StoneY
23rd October 2009, 17:19
What can I do Stoney?

Mate, happy to just have ya show up
:2thumbsup

What can you do...there is the thread with poster graphics, get some fliers out, ring talkback, LET the people know!


Ixion for Prime Minister!

goldgal
23rd October 2009, 18:09
I shall be one of the many traveling to the BIKOI from Hawkes Bay. Thought an idea, to show solidarity between us also to make other road users aware of our protest, would be to wear or show a yellow arm band, flag, something yellow tied on bike. Just an idea. Dont like, dont have to do. See you there.:Playnice:

Laxi
23rd October 2009, 18:21
Yayyy!! Biggest birthday bash I've ever had! Will be there!


Mate are you the 17th too??????

My 40th is the BIKOI day


Yay!

so which 1 of ya has room for 6000 and bikes at their place for the bash?:lol:

StoneY
23rd October 2009, 18:24
Its called Parliament :lol:
See ya there !!!
(party time)