Vote of no confidence to ditch National

[friendly_prawn]

I think we are all angry at National... Here's a thought, isnt there some way we can have a vote of no confidence in National to get rid of them..
National are playing us for fools...
They told us to go get stuffed over the anti smaking laws..
They blatantly lied about the tax cuts..
Now they are shoving it up us big time with these massive rego hikes.

Why not show the bastards what we really think by trying to get rid fo the pricks altogether... At the very worst, it would show them just how angry we are...

Is there some way we can start a campaign to get rid of the John the back stabber Keys and National altogether?

I think Rodney Hide and Act would be a good replacement for the dick heads in power now..

[Pixie]

Actually I am angry at 9 years of Pinko Liarbour bullshit and ACC

[James Deuce]

It's a real shame that they don't teach people how NZ politics actually works in school.

The US has it right with their "Civics" subject.

[rainman]

I think we are all angry at National... Here's a thought, isnt there some way we can have a vote of no confidence in National to get rid of them.....

I think Rodney Hide and Act would be a good replacement for the dick heads in power now..

I despair, I do. Did you vote in the last election? Did you have any idea what you were doing at the time?

[jrandom]

It's a real shame that they don't teach people how NZ politics actually works in school.

The US has it right with their "Civics" subject.

Do you really think the average Murkn is more familiar with their political system than the average Pacific Peon is with theirs?

[James Deuce]

Do you really think the average Murkn is more familiar with their political system than the average Pacific Peon is with theirs?

No, but at least they are given a crack at understanding it.

[jrandom]

No, but at least they are given a crack at understanding it.

'Yes Minister' should be part of the secondary school curriculum.

[James Deuce]

Indubitably.

[Marmoot]

Actually I am angry at 9 years of Pinko Liarbour bullshit and ACC

Actually I am angry at 9 years of Pinko Liarbour+Greenies bullshit, anti-smacking, benefit parties and ACC

[Street Gerbil]

Actually I am angry at 9 years of Pinko Liarbour+Greenies bullshit, anti-smacking, benefit parties and ACC

Bloody oath!

[MattRSK]

knee jerk! .

[Skyryder]

I think we are all angry at National... Here's a thought, isnt there some way we can have a vote of no confidence in National to get rid of them..
National are playing us for fools...
They told us to go get stuffed over the anti smaking laws..
They blatantly lied about the tax cuts..
Now they are shoving it up us big time with these massive rego hikes.

Why not show the bastards what we really think by trying to get rid fo the pricks altogether... At the very worst, it would show them just how angry we are...

Is there some way we can start a campaign to get rid of the John the back stabber Keys and National altogether?

I think Rodney Hide and Act would be a good replacement for the dick heads in power now..

And here is me thinking there was a kindred spirit................then I read your last sentance. So go for it...................dreams are free.

[Street Gerbil]

Nats are making some unpopular choices alright. But that's what we elected them for - to get us through the hangover, after the orgy of the previous
red-green government.

[Jonno.]

If you all voted Bill and Ben we wouldn't be in this mess :banana:

[Pussy]

Nats are making some unpopular choices alright. But that's what we elected them for - to get us through the hangover, after the orgy of the previous
red-green government.

Exactly! They were left holding a very dirty baby!

[Swoop]

Not really a friendly prawn at all. Grumpy prawn? Liarbour-loving prawn? Deluded Prawn? Greenie Prawn?

[Oakie]

National are playing us for fools...
They told us to go get stuffed over the anti smaking laws..
They blatantly lied about the tax cuts..
Now they are shoving it up us big time with these massive rego hikes.



Ya diddle! The ACC rego hikes were suggested by the ACC ... not the National government. The National government will merely approve them (or not).

[oldrider]

Take your pick!

Red, Blue, Green, Black&white, yellow, red white&black (Maori), they are all "socialist parties" with a minute difference in flavour!

Vote any one of them in and the end result will be the just same!

Vote any combination of them in and the result will be the same!

Whatever you think you voted for the result will be a socialist government!

Only the names and the colours get changed to fool the stupid!

The outcome will be exactly the same, I have seen seventy years of it, no public beneficial change ever! :doh:

[nallac]

Who the hell could we replace em with.....they're all as bad as each other
in one way or another....

[Papa Bear]

If you all voted Bill and Ben we wouldn't be in this mess :banana:

:clap: imagine that ..... holy hell

[u4ea]

There will be something about bikers protests on channel one on the 6.30 am show with Paul Henry..damit ill be a work..

[Brian d marge]

Take your pick!

Red, Blue, Green, Black&white, yellow, red white&black (Maori), they are all " socialist parties" with a minute difference in flavour!

Vote any one of them in and the end result will be the just same!

Vote any combination of them in and the result will be the same!

Whatever you think you voted for the result will be a socialist government!

Only the names and the colours get changed to fool the stupid!

The outcome will be exactly the same, I have seen seventy years of it, no public beneficial change ever! :doh:

Just left of center

Yes that is true but some are better than others

Yes governments need a kick up the backside sometimes , look at Japan the longstanding party was in power for 55 years , just changed

ACC under labour wouldn't have taken the hit , fully funding my arse ( can be done over a longer period )

( why does it have to be fully funded unless we are trying to make the books look good , money in the bank always looks good to a foreign infester

I have always thought there are one or two people ( or group of investors or the IMF ) that influence NZ ,

parties such as National , bed fellows with the business round table will always agree with the monetarist policies of America ( large voting block of IMF )

Sorry but a lot of people said that National will push through their agenda when they get in
THIS is what they are doing ,,, THEY TOLD YOU THIS IN 2007

I wouldnt be surprided if the next budget is called the Mother of all budgets , and presented by a farmers wife

When people stop voting A or B and start voting for a lot of minor parties , then wild swings in policy may not be so common ( they still could but it would be difficult)

Mean while organise a protest and shout loud ,,,,BUT WITH ONE VOICE

Stephen

[Hans]

I think we are all angry at National... Here's a thought, isnt there some way we can have a vote of no confidence in National to get rid of them..
National are playing us for fools...
They told us to go get stuffed over the anti smaking laws..
They blatantly lied about the tax cuts..
Now they are shoving it up us big time with these massive rego hikes.

Why not show the bastards what we really think by trying to get rid fo the pricks altogether... At the very worst, it would show them just how angry we are...

Is there some way we can start a campaign to get rid of the John the back stabber Keys and National altogether?

I think Rodney Hide and Act would be a good replacement for the dick heads in power now..

Hell, the reds must really be desperate, if they are going as far as paying people to join KB and spread propaganda.

[kwaka_crasher]

I think we are all angry at National...

Nah. Only the fuckwits are. National haven't done anything yet. The proposed levy hikes are the work of ACC at this stage.

[SARGE]

Do you really think the average Murkn is more familiar with their political system than the average Pacific Peon is with theirs?

um .. yea .. i do ... just like Maori is compulsory here .. Civics is in primary school in the US ...

[Reckless]

Nah. Only the fuckwits are. National haven't done anything yet. The proposed levy hikes are the work of ACC at this stage.

You sure Nick Smith seems to be representing ACC in a big way?? He's a nat isn't he?
I've been a National voter for many years but next time may well be a protest vote!
Be very careful this doesn't happen with all ???,000 bikers Mr (national party) Smith!

[Highlander]

You sure Nick Smith seems to be representing ACC in a big way?? He's a nat isn't he?
I've been a National voter for many years but next time may well be a protest vote!
Be very careful this doesn't happen with all ???,000 bikers Mr (national party) Smith!

This is one issue.
I consider more than one issue before ticking any box when in the polling booth.

[Reckless]

This is one issue.
I consider more than one issue before ticking any box when in the polling booth.

Agreed but we certainly don't need to tell them that before we win the fight for this issue!

[cs363]

um .. yea .. i do ... just like Maori is compulsory here .. Civics is in primary school in the US ...

And that fact right there shows which system is of more use. :niceone:

[Hans]

You sure Nick Smith seems to be representing ACC in a big way?? He's a nat isn't he?
I've been a National voter for many years but next time may well be a protest vote!
Be very careful this doesn't happen with all ???,000 bikers Mr (national party) Smith!

Could that be because he's the Minister for ACC? Who do you expect to be fronting this, the Minister of Woman's Affairs? Oh, sorry, that's me.

[ready4whatever]

You can get rid of them but who would you replace them with. That Barack Obama dude seems on to it, lets offer him a job here :laugh:

[Goblin]

Take your pick!

Red, Blue, Green, Black&white, yellow, red white&black (Maori), they are all "socialist parties" with a minute difference in flavour!

Vote any one of them in and the end result will be the just same!

Vote any combination of them in and the result will be the same!

Whatever you think you voted for the result will be a socialist government!

Only the names and the colours get changed to fool the stupid!

The outcome will be exactly the same, I have seen seventy years of it, no public beneficial change ever! :doh:Exactly! That's why we all need to protest vote at the next general election. Just a big X through the whole voting paper.

[Mully]

um .. yea .. i do ... just like Maori is compulsory here .. Civics is in primary school in the US ...

Yeah, except that Maori is useful. It's a lovely living language that is incredibly useful for people to know.

Oh hang on........

[James Deuce]

You can get rid of them but who would you replace them with. That Barack Obama dude seems on to it, lets offer him a job here :laugh:

Oh god I'm going to cry in a minute.

You CAN'T get rid of them. You can only vote them out or in.

[Mully]

Oh god I'm going to cry in a minute.

You CAN'T get rid of them. You can only vote them out or in.

The funniest (or crying-ist) bit is that the think any other lot would be any different.

People need to stop thinking that politicians are here for the public good. They'd much rather the public just fuck off and leave them alone.

[Robert Taylor]

Nats are making some unpopular choices alright. But that's what we elected them for - to get us through the hangover, after the orgy of the previous
red-green government.

That is exactly right. Motorcyclists will doubtless feel aggrieved at the ACC hikes and I can in part relate to that but life doesnt begin and end with motorcycling. Looking at the big picture the National Government have a hell of a job on their hands and they are damned if they do and damned if they dont.
Its going to be an even worse mending job in the UK when David Camerons Conservative party annililates the Labour party in their forthcoming general election
Warts and all I like John Key, he is a refreshing change from that sour pseudo communist bitch we suffered for 9 long years. I sincerely hope that Ill be dead and gone before this country has to suffer another incompetent Labour led administration.

[Rayray401]

Politicians are all the same. Regardless of who's in power. When the reds put something up, the blue will just tear it down, and vice versa. It doesn't matter who's in power, it's all the same, politicians are corrupt.

[James Deuce]

That is exactly right. Motorcyclists will doubtless feel aggrieved at the ACC hikes and I can in part relate to that but life doesnt begin and end with motorcycling. Looking at the big picture the National Government have a hell of a job on their hands and they are damned if they do and damned if they dont.

I don't give a crap about the hikes.

The issue is that we're even singled out in the first instance in a no fault compensation scheme. It isn't insurance.

How much for a pair of Ohlins for an XR1200.

That's what really matters :).

[short-circuit]

I sincerely hope that Ill be dead and gone before this country has to suffer another Labour led administration.

I hope you get your wish and I hope it's in two years time

[jackie]

I hope you get your wish and I hope it's in two years time

There there, it's just the internet.

[MisterD]

That Barack Obama dude seems on to it

Please, please, please, please tell me that's sarcasm...

[avgas]

It's a real shame that they don't teach people how NZ politics actually works in school.

The US has it right with their "Civics" subject.
HAHA I agree - this whole bullshit of
"Your vote counts" and "If you dont vote you cant complain" - people seem to think logic goes out the window with voting.

"Your vote counts"
- Ok, lets put this in comparison, your vote - 1 out of 4 million.......yes its special.

"If you dont vote, you cant complain"
- Imagine a restaurant, everyone you see go into that restaurant gets sick, some die. Are you telling me you can't complain because you have not tried the food?
Using the same moto we should not give a shit about family violence, I mean you can't complain about family violence on others until you go out there and get yourself some.

Fact of the matter is you have to pick, and elect as a whole, a leader who is the better of 2 evils, if ya dont like it - don't vote.

[Robert Taylor]

I hope you get your wish and I hope it's in two years time

I guess I asked for that but I intend to live for a very longtime yet because theres a whole lot of work to cram in.

[SARGE]

you can get rid of them but who would you replace them with. That barack obama dude seems on to it, lets offer him a job here :laugh:

no fucking way ...i'll move to bosnia

[smokeyging]

That bitch that is running ACC is apparently on $550,000 from what i understand, and her cronies aren't on much less. put them on $60,000 until ACC starts making a profit, then she can have her $550,000. i’ll bet ACC starts going forward in a hurry then and it should'nt cost a cent.

[James Deuce]

That bitch that is running ACC is apparently on $550,000 from what i understand, and her cronies aren't on much less. put them on $60,000 until ACC starts making a profit, then she can have her $550,000. i’ll bet ACC starts going forward in a hurry then and it should'nt cost a cent.

Can I have this one?

ACC IS making a profit.

They have earned their salaries.

ACC is the only Government cost centre making money. No one has said that ACC is making a loss. What they've said is that ACC has to be "fully-funded" whihc means it needs to carry the capital to cover its future liability. Which is bollocks because it is a compensation scheme, not an Insurance company.

[Ixion]

.. life doesnt begin and end with motorcycling...

Heresy !

Burn him !

[BMWST?]

Exactly! That's why we all need to protest vote at the next general election. Just a big X through the whole voting paper.

then what will happen?Some group will approach the GG and he will form a govt...thats a really good use of our voting rights.

[Ixion]

You do all realise that , constitutionally, the Ministers of the Crown do not HAVE to be MPs?

So even if NOONE got elected, the GG could still appoint a government. (or ask the previous one to carry on)
'
Happened several times , not so long ago.

[BMWST?]

That is exactly right. Motorcyclists will doubtless feel aggrieved at the ACC hikes and I can in part relate to that but life doesnt begin and end with motorcycling. Looking at the big picture the National Government have a hell of a job on their hands and they are damned if they do and damned if they dont.
Its going to be an even worse mending job in the UK when David Camerons Conservative party annililates the Labour party in their forthcoming general election
Warts and all I like John Key, he is a refreshing change from that sour pseudo communist bitch we suffered for 9 long years. I sincerely hope that Ill be dead and gone before this country has to suffer another incompetent Labour led administration.

well get your affairs in order in no later than 9 years

[Street Gerbil]

You can get rid of them but who would you replace them with. That Barack Obama dude seems on to it, lets offer him a job here :laugh:

I will support that in exchange for american citizenship. With Obama gone, America would be a nice place to live once again.

[Conquiztador]

That bitch that is running ACC is apparently on $550,000 from what i understand, and her cronies aren't on much less. put them on $60,000 until ACC starts making a profit, then she can have her $550,000. i’ll bet ACC starts going forward in a hurry then and it should'nt cost a cent.

Why should ACC have to make a profit? It is an Accident Compensation scheme that is there for all NZ citizens/residents. We pay taxes and part of them are used to repay the ACC claims. Then someone realised that it's costing shitloads and money that was to be used for education, hospitals, whatever, was sucked up by ACC. So there is now a part of registration to induce some money earmarked for ACC. Brilliant! Now ACC has an income of it's own!

OK, so heaps of ACC claims are not traffic related, but they are tricky to get payment for. I mean, a kid on a skateboard who breaks an ankle, or a fisherman who gets the fishinghook in his eye is not gonna pay anything towards ACC. But motorists will have to. They have no choice. So when more money is "needed' let's increase the motorists ACC fees as it is the simple option. Trying to get $$'s out of sport or recreation is not gonna happen.

Then the other ones who can be charged are employers! Brilliant scheme! First let's tax everyone to keep the government running, then lets tax them some more and make it a specific one. They won't know! Let's add GST, road tax, petrol tax, ACC tax... Hey what about a Tax-tax? We could justify that by saying that as we now have to tax you all so much we need additional income to pay for it all...

It's all gone stupid! Set a flat tax rate for all. No other taxes! (Gets rid of the overheads!) Then live to the means. If the government can take in $xx billlion in a year, that is all that they can spend! That's how I run a business.

But I am most probably just a simple guy who has no idea.

[James Deuce]

But I am most probably just a simple guy who has no idea.

ACC IS making money. End of story. It needs no levy increases to "cross-subsidise" motorcyclists. Who, by the way, are the only group that can be cross subsidised because they are the only group of NZers singled out for special treatment by ACC.