Manhood and Philip Island - spoiler

[mstriumph]

OK - I've just finished watching the Australian Moto GP and, besides the mechanics of racing (of which I know bugger-all) the sheer DIFFERENCE in the attitudes of Rossi and Stoner couldn't have been more highlighted in the post-race wrap-up interviews ...........

Whereas Rossi's attitude was "Ok, I tried to win and I didn't ... we'll have another go in Malaysia... "

Stoner was all "yeah, the track was slippery and I made a couple of mistakes - not many - and Rossi caught up to me ......there were three seagulls on the track so i had to slow down and so he caught up ............" the gist of all this being HEY AREN'T I GREAT I HAD ALL THESE PROBLEMS AND I WON ANYWAY AND THE ONLY REASON ROSSI CAUGHT UP TO ME WAS BECAUSE OF THE SEAGULLS ...

sorry - i know i live here and all --- and Stoner is a great rider, no question .......... but i can't help thinking that he's a damn poor winner and has the typical arrogant, whiney, attention-seeking attitude that makes so many australians so easy to despise.

Rossi has never been a poor loser ....... but Stoner is definately a poor winner
and a poor excuse for a man.

[Deano]

Stoner's missus is hotter though !

[weekendwarrior]

What should he have said.... 'I tried to win and did, lets get pissed!':apint:

[mstriumph]

*sigh* i posted this in the 'girlies' forum because i wanted sensible comment .... *sigh* :(

[BMWST?]

OK - I've just finished watching the Australian Moto GP and, besides the mechanics of racing (of which I know bugger-all) the sheer DIFFERENCE in the attitudes of Rossi and Stoner couldn't have been more highlighted in the post-race wrap-up interviews ...........

Whereas Rossi's attitude was "Ok, I tried to win and I didn't ... we'll have another go in Malaysia... "

Stoner was all "yeah, the track was slippery and I made a couple of mistakes - not many - and Rossi caught up to me ......there were three seagulls on the track so i had to slow down and so he caught up ............" the gist of all this being HEY AREN'T I GREAT I HAD ALL THESE PROBLEMS AND I WON ANYWAY AND THE ONLY REASON ROSSI CAUGHT UP TO ME WAS BECAUSE OF THE SEAGULLS ...

sorry - i know i live here and all --- and Stoner is a great rider, no question .......... but i can't help thinking that he's a damn poor winner and has the typical arrogant, whiney, attention-seeking attitude that makes so many australians so easy to despise.

Rossi has never been a poor loser ....... but Stoner is definately a poor winner
and a poor excuse for a man.

what the,you must have been watching a diffeent interview than me...he said they had problems with rear tyre grip but it seems everyone else is,a great result considering the problems we have had this year and good to see they could build from Estoril.Despite what Rossi said you could see he was trying they were both doing HUGE rear wheel slides round southern loop.It is also obvious that Casey is not particularly comfortable with the media in his face all the time.Anyways big Kudos to him I reckon,its good to see an Aussie champion who ISNT brash and cocky.

[mstriumph]

nah
same interview but [note my disclaimer] we obviously picked up on different things

---------- f'rinstance - you missed the inference about the seagulls .... and also, in the Rossi interview, that Rossi SAID he was trying

I said nothing detrimental about Stoner's riding (am in ab solutely NO position to) only his attitude .........
once again, we saw things differently, YOU saw someone you could excuse as 'uncomfortable with the attention' - I saw a whining, whinging, self-agrandising poor-winner eager to put across the impression that the only reason Rossi was able to catch him was because of act-of-seagull.

it's not as though this is the first or only time he's displayed this attitude.

the only excuse i make for him is that he was born and brought up australian .... and whinging/feeling hard done by/being less than magnanimous in victory and playing the victim in defeat seems to be(from my own observation while living here) a national trait.

[Wingnut]

*sigh* i posted this in the 'girlies' forum because i wanted sensible comment .... *sigh* :(

.............:clap::clap:

[discotex]

---------- f'rinstance - you missed the inference about the seagulls

Are you saying he actually said he slowed down for some seagulls in the post race interview?

What should a gratious winner say after being fastest all weekend then convincingly beating their main rival? - twice in a row after a couple of months off the bike due to a crippling illness no less....

[Pussy]

*sigh* i posted this in the 'girlies' forum because i wanted sensible comment .... *sigh* :(

Quite rightly so, too!










Deano is right.... Stoner's missus is HAWT!

[mstriumph]

Are you saying he actually said he slowed down for some seagulls in the post race interview? .................


well no ........... in the post race interview he said he'd slowed down for some seagulls during the race ...... juxtaposed, as it was, with his remark about Rossi catching up to him, the inferance was that Rossi could only DO that because he [Stoner] had had to slow down

what COULD he have said? mebbe something, like Rossi, about it being a good race ...........

but no - magnaminity and graciousness was obviously beyond him

[discotex]

what COULD he have said? mebbe something, like Rossi, about it being a good race ...........

But it wasn't a good race so Casey's not the type to lie about it (like I said he just states how it was). Rossi didn't push him at all. He slowed down almost a second a lap and Rossi still couldn't make a pass on him.

If they'd traded places and it'd been a big battle I'd fully agree with what you're saying but Stoner whipped Rossi's butt.

But yeah he could use some media coaching so people don't get the wrong idea about him (as Lorenzo obviously did as he's been coming across much better in the second half of the season).

[discotex]

Deano is right.... Stoner's missus is HAWT!

Love how she brings a bunch of her hot friends to cheer for Casey from pit lane. No wonder he's so fast... "I'm coming girls I'm coming!!!"

[pritch]

He slowed down almost a second a lap and Rossi still couldn't make a pass on him.


Yeah right!

For Rossi the choice was risking a bin to challenge Stoner for the race win, or to follow close and be in a position to win if Stoner binned or to pick up a safe twenty points for the championship in the event Stoner didn't bin.

Gee, tough choice.

[sugilite]

I read a good article on top riders and how that very arrogance is part of what makes them so good. They need to have it to a point to win, that 100% self belief that they are the very best. Also, can you imagine trying to contain an ego after just completing one of the most adrenaline inducing acts on the planet (riding a motogp bike in a race).

The poor old modern racer has to be a stunning natural talent, a PR expert, Fitness Fanatic and have a degree in political science to navigate the bullshit. I could imagine nothing worse than having loads of reporters shoving a micro phone in your face and telling you to talk about yourself, especially if same said reporter had been constantly fucking your arse with their ignorant bullshit for months prior (stoners over training exhaustion, which incidentally, I believed him all the way)

I think a lot of fans are not quite aware of just how larger part psychological warfare plays in this game. It matters not that Stoner is not pressuring Rossi for the championship, Stoner is just thinking about the next race, and is reminding Rossi, there will be no seagulls to help him out next time. :lol:

Stoner is not my favourite rider by a long chalk, but motorcycle racing is not for mealy mouthed nancy boys/girls needing to be socially accepted either.

(btw Rossi is the best on all levels, and is a Pr maestro, and also a total freak, so he is excluded from the above!)

[ghost]

I read a good article on top riders and how that very arrogance is part of what makes them so good. They need to have it to a point to win, that 100% self belief that they are the very best. Also, can you imagine trying to contain an ego after just completing one of the most adrenaline inducing acts on the planet (riding a motogp bike in a race).


Agree, if they dont really really really beleive that they are the best they never will be. Couldn't stand Fogarty in his day but there no denying his talent has a rider, the quiet, driven riders, Wayne Rainey, are a bit fewer these days....

[sondela]

All I can say is, the way he handled that Ducati yesterday gives him the right to be whatever he wanted to be after the race, he rode like a champion!

This time, he was great, and he was probably that hyped on adrenalin he wasn't even aware of what he was saying...

[FiBee]

I read a good article on top riders and how that very arrogance is part of what makes them so good. They need to have it to a point to win, that 100% self belief that they are the very best. Also, can you imagine trying to contain an ego after just completing one of the most adrenaline inducing acts on the planet (riding a motogp bike in a race).

The poor old modern racer has to be a stunning natural talent, a PR expert, Fitness Fanatic and have a degree in political science to navigate the bullshit. I could imagine nothing worse than having loads of reporters shoving a micro phone in your face and telling you to talk about yourself, especially if same said reporter had been constantly fucking your arse with their ignorant bullshit for months prior (stoners over training exhaustion, which incidentally, I believed him all the way)

I think a lot of fans are not quite aware of just how larger part psychological warfare plays in this game. It matters not that Stoner is not pressuring Rossi for the championship, Stoner is just thinking about the next race, and is reminding Rossi, there will be no seagulls to help him out next time. :lol:

Stoner is not my favourite rider by a long chalk, but motorcycle racing is not for mealy mouthed nancy boys/girls needing to be socially accepted either.

(btw Rossi is the best on all levels, and is a Pr maestro, and also a total freak, so he is excluded from the above!)

well put... although personally i love it if the quietly-confident competitors (any sport) kick arse over the arrogant ones

[saxet]

I thought Casey's attutude was pretty good and his post race interview was similar to many interviews by many other riders. Rossi has given interviews that were similar when he won.
Perhaps his comments were miscontrued or misinterperrted.
I see Foggy has been mentioned. He got right up my nose until I read his book and got to understand his mindset. E.G. if I can't win I don't want to play.
Lets not forget that Rossi is a master mind game player but more and more people are on to him.

[pritch]

I watched the interviews at lunchtime and didn't note any truculence or whining by any of the three. Pedrosa didn't smile, but he doesn't much.

[chrispy121]

I have to say rossi and stoner rode great and I did not think the interview was bad except for pedrossa I really dont like the guy he never smiles he hate every one else while rossi and stoner were shaking hands on the podium peds was over in the corner licking his wounds maybe some one should give him media coaching oh thats right he has.
On the attitude of Rossi no doubt he is an all time great but he is pissed off that Lorenso has been resigned because then he will have competition in his own team.

[BMWST?]

i think rossi is more respectful of stoner...i think everyone knows the duke is "special" but casey can still ride the wheels of it...I am not saying lorenzo is not a threat,but at least the bike is a known quantity to val...with stoner/ducati anything could happen next year

[crazyhorse]

Well, I enjoyed the race - Rossi gained on him, slipped back, gained on him, slipped back. Nearly took him a couple of times, but didn't. I thought it was great. Good on Stoner's win - good come back, although not a surprise on the home track.

:niceone:

[slowpoke]

Good on Stoner's win - good come back, although not a surprise on the home track.

:niceone:

It's not really Stoner's home track, Rossi has raced it more times than he has. Stoner's family took him to Europe at a very young age to further his career and I doubt he even raced it as a lil' tacker, let alone on anything like a MotoGP bike.

I'm not a big Stoner fan but it's pretty hard to fault that performance.

[James Deuce]

I was hoping Doohan would go mental and punch a transexual.

[James Deuce]

I watched the interviews at lunchtime and didn't note any truculence or whining by any of the three. Pedrosa didn't smile, but he doesn't much.

They forgot to turn his emotion chip on. Again.

[BMWST?]

the yanks reckon there are four aliens who race in motogp,the rest are human.

[jonbuoy]

nah
same interview but [note my disclaimer] we obviously picked up on different things

---------- f'rinstance - you missed the inference about the seagulls .... and also, in the Rossi interview, that Rossi SAID he was trying

I said nothing detrimental about Stoner's riding (am in ab solutely NO position to) only his attitude .........
once again, we saw things differently, YOU saw someone you could excuse as 'uncomfortable with the attention' - I saw a whining, whinging, self-agrandising poor-winner eager to put across the impression that the only reason Rossi was able to catch him was because of act-of-seagull.

it's not as though this is the first or only time he's displayed this attitude.

the only excuse i make for him is that he was born and brought up australian .... and whinging/feeling hard done by/being less than magnanimous in victory and playing the victim in defeat seems to be(from my own observation while living here) a national trait.

I can only hear one person whining

[george formby]

Yeah right!

For Rossi the choice was risking a bin to challenge Stoner for the race win, or to follow close and be in a position to win if Stoner binned or to pick up a safe twenty points for the championship in the event Stoner didn't bin.

Gee, tough choice.

Looked to me that Rossi was doing what he doe's best, being smart. For years now he has pressurised leading riders, watching their every move & either passing or learning their strengths & weaknesses for the next race. I think he would have learnt alot about Stoner & the Ducati on Sunday. Stoner had a huge point to make, Rossi did not. Bring on the next round & I bet we can see Stoner humble or making excuses in defeat.

[mstriumph]

I can only hear one person whining You didn't catch the interview?

No matter - wait till next time - you'll get another opportunity for sure :lol:

[FROSTY]

I heard it quite a bit different Ms T. I heard a guy that desperately wanted to shout --'FUCK YOU LOT--see I can go faster than anyone else in the world" and was deliberately downplaying it.
It sure puts paid to all the negative press from his critics.
It must seriously suck being at that level of the sport where not only your on track but also every word you say offtrack is sifted through by the media.

[Bass]

Well, I did catch the interview and I didn't think he was arrogant at all. I thought he raved on for a lot longer than necessary and I was getting bored but he didn't strike me as being arrogant. All down to perceptions I guess.

He rode bloody well though. I didn't think his tyres would go the distance but he maintained his pace really well.

[SPman]

I only saw the Channel 10 interview immediately after the race - not the official post presentation quote fest.
Casey was pleased with his effort (as he should be - he was riding the wheels off'n the Duck), but seemed to feel he had to provide an excuse for the times Rossi closed up on him - ie - ducking seagulls, whereas Vale just laughed and admitted he could catch Casey, but couldn't get past. He didn't need any excuses - He and Rossi were in a league apart on Sunday - I'd like to see them both on the same bike - Ducatis, preferably......

[george formby]

I only saw the Channel 10 interview immediately after the race - not the official post presentation quote fest.
Casey was pleased with his effort (as he should be - he was riding the wheels off'n the Duck), but seemed to feel he had to provide an excuse for the times Rossi closed up on him - ie - ducking seagulls, whereas Vale just laughed and admitted he could catch Casey, but couldn't get past. He didn't need any excuses - He and Rossi were in a league apart on Sunday - I'd like to see them both on the same bike - Ducatis, preferably......

Ditto, but would Jeremy Burgess?

[James Deuce]

Ditto, but would Jeremy Burgess?

I don't think he cares. I'd pegged him for a Honda stalwart and he went to Yamaha. I don't think the brand matters. Given a year Jeremy Burgess' team could make a Kawasaki competitive. I wouldn't go so far as to say they could help Suzuki though.

[BMWST?]

I don't think he cares. I'd pegged him for a Honda stalwart and he went to Yamaha. I don't think the brand matters. Given a year Jeremy Burgess' team could make a Kawasaki competitive. I wouldn't go so far as to say they could help Suzuki though.

i reckon he will go where Rossi goes,and i would say that would be a condition of Rossi's negotiations they obviously are a winning team.

[J-rod]

Hi,

I must admit that I have been an avid fan of Rossi for a long time, but I recently read a book called Ring of Fire (hehehe) which is a pretty thorough top down on the GP riders and their off track actions and personalities. It wasn't damning in particular of anyone, but does really point out what makes a great rider the best rider.
Can't say I back stoner for the championship, but he really had a pretty hard time getting to where he is now. Can definitely recommend it as a good read. Bit bloody pricey though. Will lend it round AMCC for any of you interested in reading it. Chrispy's got it at the moment.

[Keystone19]

I see Foggy has been mentioned. He got right up my nose until I read his book and got to understand his mindset. E.G. if I can't win I don't want to play.


I stopped reading Foggy's book at chapter two where he mentioned women could not and should not race. What an arse.

[James Deuce]

What an arse. His face certainly reminds me of a smacked one with a couple of googly eyes glued on.