BIKEOI - When? The final poll

[Ixion]

Consensus so far (consensus ? with bikers :rofl:) is that it is essential we do the Manchester bit on a weekdays when the droids are actually present.

But, we really want a BIG show of numbers to make a noise around the town

After eliminating every day in the year and adding a few back that leaves two options that seem to have the running :

1. Nov 15th-17th We hold (a) Regional BIKOI in Welly on the Sunday. That works for numbers , (most) people can go down Saturday, back Sunday evening . Then we do the actual Parliament assembly on Tuesday for those who can get the time off (some of the Sunday folk will doubtless stay over)

2. Nov 5th. For symbolic reasons. It's a Thursday so the scheme in (1) won't work, probably not much point in a big assembly after we've fronted up at the Beehive.

I've made this multichoice because some people will be OK with either option. Only a drivelling idiot would also tick the "none of them are any good " option. So well ignore those.

[rocketman1]

When is the protest ride, could start in Auckland, all the Whangarei bikers could join up in Auckland, then on way to Wellington, the slow ride would pick up Hamilton and Tauranga, by 10pm pick up Taupo, Napier, New Plymouth protest riders and so on all the way Wellington I reckon there would be at least 2000 bikers that would protest Parliament , and probably 5000 if the weather was fine
Bikers Unite and Protest.
The Clubs need to iniate this Protest, and hall in a few opposition member of parliament along for the ride, cagers to come along too with trailers, and pick up the those that breakdown.
I will be there for sure..

There should be a rule that bikers cant overtake one another on the ride, it should be 600km slow protest ride, not a mad dash to Wellington.
Hold up traffic, stick to the law but be a nuisance.


BIKERS MUST BEAT THIS ACC BULLSHIT !!!

[davebullet]

The 5th... can we fake a Mr. Fawkes to blow up the NZ parliament buildings.. can we, can we, please?

[Bald Eagle]

I think this poll / decision should have a deadline. A lot of us will need to apply for annual leave etc with a bit of notice. Suggest this needs to be pretty much locked down by the end of October at the absolute latest ?

[fridayflash]

ive voted for the 5th... only 'cos its closest and im fuggin keen! lol
but ill front any day for sure (benefits of self employment)

[caseye]

I also voted the 5th but because it's still a week day and it's symbolic of peoples protest.If we could assemble and then ride to the beehive in one day, it's all over rover.Much more public awareness and the pertinence of it all will not be lost on the general public.

[fridayflash]

i fully agree caseye...must check on wickle and see if he can get time off..

[caseye]

Hey there Flash! you looking after my tractor?"grandad, do you know flash gordon?" "Why yes boy he used to drive my tractor?
I'm there whichever day it is, will try to hook up.

[gazmascelle]

Don't think I could make it on the 5th, pretty sure all my leave will be used over the xmas break..

If this is organised for sunday I'll be there for sure though :apint:

[Jantar]

For those asking for the 5th, I would remind you that parliament is not in session on that day, so who are we presenting our petition to? And what grounds do we have for being at parliament?

The 15th - 17th is the only option if we want maximum media coverage and to make a point.

[Leyton]

I choose that I hate both days, damn WORK!!! ARGH!!! AhhhHhHhHHHH

[bike4life]

Hey Labour leader Phil Goff came and spoke at the Victoria University hostal Weir House on the 18th. When questioned about his view on ACC levy rises 4 motorbikes he dissapproved, him being a keen biker and all. Even said he would be part of a ride on parliament. To the person running this should give Phil an email. He'd get some major media attention if he was on a bike outside parliament.:banana:

[retro asian]

Hey Labour leader Phil Goff came and spoke at the Victoria University hostal Weir House on the 18th. When questioned about his view on ACC levy rises 4 motorbikes he dissapproved, him being a keen biker and all. Even said he would be part of a ride on parliament. To the person running this should give Phil an email. He'd get some major media attention if he was on a bike outside parliament.:banana:

He needs it too after his publicity on TV3 news tonight....
Helen Clark is still prefered Labour leader :lol:

[Thani-B]

I vote for the weekend and I hate both. Mainly because some of us wont be able to make it to Wellington, and so we should be able to have something organised where we can make it as well. Eg Im keen to block up Auckland seeing as I cant go to Wellington. Both on the same day...

[bike4life]

Totally agree with you. We need to get some MP's on bikes its all about the media coverage we're after. Someone must know some MP's who would be keen like Phil Goff hes a keen biker :scooter:

[Horse]

For those asking for the 5th, I would remind you that parliament is not in session on that day, so who are we presenting our petition to? And what grounds do we have for being at parliament?

The 15th - 17th is the only option if we want maximum media coverage and to make a point.

I voted for the 5th, but knowing the above I'd change it to the 15th-17th. Sorry, haven't really had time to read every fricken thread so didn't know this.

[la 102]

i voted 15-17th cause thats the only time i can go :o

[peasea]

I can do either but not both. However I/we will be there next weekend for the Nelson ride.

[Maki]

Wow... there goes an original thinker....

[Bounce001]

The 7th is probably the best option as it is before the submissions close. The 15ht & 17th are after this date. However, for the most effect Parliament needs to be sitting for us to geet our message across.

For other politicians & famous people that ride, what about John Banks and Ewan Gilmour. Good for media attention? We need to get the media behind us to draw general public attention to the issue.

[StoneY]

Please all refer to Sinfull's post in Wellington BIKOI thread

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=110275&page=8

He has some extremely good points to make and I for one do not believe we can coordinate a NATIONWIDE effort so quickly

Any efforts this early would be purely regional

I propose we have small regional BIKOI's to get the 'brand' known and then have a MASSIVE Nationwide one later in Summer, around Feb when we can really plan it properly

Just my opinion

:)

[DMCD]

Please all refer to Sinfull's post in Wellington BIKOI thread

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=110275&page=8

He has some extremely good points to make and I for one do not believe we can coordinate a NATIONWIDE effort so quickly

Any efforts this early would be purely regional

I propose we have small regional BIKOI's to get the 'brand' known and then have a MASSIVE Nationwide one later in Summer, around Feb when we can really plan it properly

Just my opinion

:)

You make a good point, I agree with this.

[Ixion]

Please all refer to Sinfull's post in Wellington BIKOI thread

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=110275&page=8

He has some extremely good points to make and I for one do not believe we can coordinate a NATIONWIDE effort so quickly

Any efforts this early would be purely regional

I propose we have small regional BIKOI's to get the 'brand' known and then have a MASSIVE Nationwide one later in Summer, around Feb when we can really plan it properly

Just my opinion

:)


The problem with February is that by then the decision will be made and dusted. Almost impossible to change it once the Ministers signed it off.

[StoneY]

The 7th is probably the best option as it is before the submissions close. The 15ht & 17th are after this date. However, for the most effect Parliament needs to be sitting for us to geet our message across.

For other politicians & famous people that ride, what about John Banks and Ewan Gilmour. Good for media attention? We need to get the media behind us to draw general public attention to the issue.

I edited this as I checked sitting dates, I had erroneously been pushing the 5th

Appologies

Pasted from the Paliament website timetable

October
20, 21, 22, 27, 28 and 29

November
17, 18, 19, 24, 25 and 26

December
8, 9, 10, 15, 16, 17 and 22


all are sitting dates remaining this year

[TerminalAddict]

the hog guys, ulysses, and the locals seem to be keen on the 15th

*weekend* surprise surprise

[StoneY]

The problem with February is that by then the decision will be made and dusted. Almost impossible to change it once the Ministers signed it off.

So, effectively we have to either RUSH it

Which means we stop talking, get meeting and MAKE it happen or we miss the bus altogether

[bogan]

Hey Labour leader Phil Goff came and spoke at the Victoria University hostal Weir House on the 18th. When questioned about his view on ACC levy rises 4 motorbikes he dissapproved, him being a keen biker and all. Even said he would be part of a ride on parliament. To the person running this should give Phil an email. He'd get some major media attention if he was on a bike outside parliament.:banana:

Just make sure he's in all the gear this time, and hopefully he wont be doing the foot down wobble :lol: wud not be a good look.

As long as we get a big turn out i'm all for a run down ASAP, I can just see us phaffing around for too long and not having an effect. A littler one soon (both on sun, and when they are in session) and a massive co-ordinated one over summer if they havent sorted it by then gets my vote. A two stage "nah not happy bout this shit" then if it persists "nah still really not happy bout this crap and we aint going away" approach would have good effect.

EDIT:

I edited this as I checked sitting dates, I had erroneously been pushing the 5th

Appologies

Pasted from the Paliament website timetable

October
20, 21, 22, 27, 28 and 29

November
17, 18, 19, 24, 25 and 26

December
8, 9, 10, 15, 16, 17 and 22


all are sitting dates remaining this year

I'm all in for the 15-17th Nov then, gives everyone almost a month to get leave, push hard for that date at the BRONZ meeting on weds I reckon

[Nasty]

We also need to be aware of when submissions close. This being one of the major points of the exercise.

[StoneY]

We also need to be aware of when submissions close. This being one of the major points of the exercise.

Which I believe leaves us with the October sittings......now THATS tight!

[Swoop]

Someone must know some MP's who would be keen like Phil Goff hes a keen biker
Yeah. Get associated with the biggest loser in politics at the moment...

Sir Owen Woodhouse (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10604027)would be a more appropriate speaker.

[Ixion]

We don't need to do it before the submissions close. We won't influence ACC itself, they ahve no reason to change their mind.

What we want, is to try to influence the Minsiter, when he is thinking about whether to sign off the ACC proposals. Which he will be doing sometime between close of submissions, and February, when the decision has to be advertised (gazetted)

So, submissions close 10 Nov. Acc will spend a week or so pretending to think about them, then forward their proposals to the Minister. Who then must think about them, and consider the likely political fallout if he agrees. (ACC don't care about political repercussions , it's just a bean exercise to them).

That's the stage we want to make a show, while the Minister is thinking "if I sign off on this, how big a stink will it cause".

He won't think about them that much until ACC forward them to him sometime after Nov 10

He's unlikely to leave making his decision until January, because he''ll be on holiday!

If we are going to do a National run at all, we need, IMHO, to do it lateish November or early December, before the house rises.

[Bald Eagle]

Which I believe leaves us with the October sittings......now THATS tight!

Yes because closing date for submissions is 10th of November which is a week before the first available November sitting date.

I consider a local presence activity on the 5th should still happen, either a ride or just a gathering.

The BIKEOI ride will be a separate National co-ordinated event on a date yet to be suggested / co-ordiated by BRONZ

[Mr. Rock]

once everything is done and sorted is it possible to pm the WHOLE of kiwibiker to just inform everyone about what ever gets sorted? it would have to be done by who ever is the big boss of the site. but it sure beats having to troll a billion threds..

[StoneY]

The meeting on Thursday will be when to make these last decisions

[nothingflash]

For those asking for the 5th, I would remind you that parliament is not in session on that day, so who are we presenting our petition to? And what grounds do we have for being at parliament?

The 15th - 17th is the only option if we want maximum media coverage and to make a point.

Yep good point...

[Dafe]

John Banks is a keen biker.
He'd be a great one to have on the ride.

[klingon]

I am totally convinced that November 17th is the day to present the submissions on the steps of parliament (although oddly enough I might not be able to make it to the protest as I will probably be inside the building! :()

Nov 17th is the first available sitting date after submissions close, and (as Ixion has carefully explained above) this is the ideal timing to be able to make our point, while still giving us enough time to organise it.

However, I'm not so keen on the idea of riding to Wellington on the 15th then hanging around until the 17th. I think our energy will be waning by then and our Wellington billets will be strained.

I would prefer to start the regional BIKOIs that weekend, then those who want to will start out for Wellington, timing our arrival for Monday night. Those who can't get time off work can escort the main group as far as they can, toward Wellington, then can still get home on Sunday night for work Monday.

On Tuesday morning the BIKOI group meets at a gathering place in the Wellington region, and aim to present the petition at the Beehive around lunchtime Tuesday.

[yungatart]

I think you are on to it there, Klingon!

[peasea]

John Banks is a keen biker.
He'd be a great one to have on the ride.

I thought his bike got pinched...(?) but yes, he knows how to deal up political jargon. Anyone dropped him a line?

[peasea]

I am totally convinced that November 17th is the day to present the submissions on the steps of parliament (although oddly enough I might not be able to make it to the protest as I will probably be inside the building! :()

Nov 17th is the first available sitting date after submissions close, and (as Ixion has carefully explained above) this is the ideal timing to be able to make our point, while still giving us enough time to organise it.

However, I'm not so keen on the idea of riding to Wellington on the 15th then hanging around until the 17th. I think our energy will be waning by then and our Wellington billets will be strained.

I would prefer to start the regional BIKOIs that weekend, then those who want to will start out for Wellington, timing our arrival for Monday night. Those who can't get time off work can escort the main group as far as they can, toward Wellington, then can still get home on Sunday night for work Monday.

On Tuesday morning the BIKOI group meets at a gathering place in the Wellington region, and aim to present the petition at the Beehive around lunchtime Tuesday.

Sounds like the plan; even though I'm moving house that week I'll cross the water to be there and take leave I haven't got.

Is Nick going to greet us on the steps??

[sunhuntin]

However, I'm not so keen on the idea of riding to Wellington on the 15th then hanging around until the 17th. I think our energy will be waning by then and our Wellington billets will be strained.

i agree here. there is no way in hell i will be allowed the sunday off work, yet i will more than likely be able to swing monday and maybe even tuesday. the sunday start is awesome for those who have a few ks to travel to make wellington, but for those of who are a closer, a monday start would be easier. hell, even a tuesday start would suit, depending on the expected arrival on the beehive doorstep.

so, i will vote for the 3 day option, but wont be there for all 3 days.

[huff3r]

i agree here. there is no way in hell i will be allowed the sunday off work, yet i will more than likely be able to swing monday and maybe even tuesday. the sunday start is awesome for those who have a few ks to travel to make wellington, but for those of who are a closer, a monday start would be easier. hell, even a tuesday start would suit, depending on the expected arrival on the beehive doorstep.

so, i will vote for the 3 day option, but wont be there for all 3 days.

Yeah, i think we have to remember here that even a weekend event will require some people to take time off, I for one know it'd be much easier for me to get time off on a Tuesday then on a Sunday...

[KrazyGixxerBoy]

Regardless of the day/date, I'll be there with bells on!!!

[klingon]

Regardless of the day/date, I'll be there with bells on!!!

Literally I hope. Much noise will be required.

Hmmm.... I wonder where I can get a cow bell for my bike...

[blacksheep]

aw crap..............15 to the 17 is the weekend of the national wima rally near palmie!!

[Ixion]

Looks like 15th / 17th it is

I don't think anyone expects many people to front all three days. Those in or close to Wellington, who can only do the weekend can attend Sunday.

Those further afield, or who have to work Sunday can go down Monday, for a Tuesday delivery.

Those really far off (I'm thinking South Island) will have three days to get there .

[Big Dave]

I wonder where I can get a cow bell for my bike...

I think you are underselling the Volty.

[Little Miss Trouble]

Ran it past the boss, I'm in for the 17th:2thumbsup

[StoneY]

17th is getting a lot of votes....

I can do that day
Needs to be a timetable for meeting locations etc, best effect is everyone arriving at once

Thursday meeting i guess?

[klingon]

aw crap..............15 to the 17 is the weekend of the national wima rally near palmie!!

Perfect! Go to the national rally in Palmie at the weekend, spend Monday getting to Wellie, ride to the Beehive on Tuesday morning! :niceone:

[StoneY]

Well...didnt want to say it but the 17ths my 40th birthday hehe
What a way to celebrate it but bugger it seems to be favored day......

[gatch]

Will check to see how much leave I need for xmas, if I have surplus Ill be there all 3 days.

I'll bring a bag of poos to throw at richard smythe..

[klingon]

I think you are underselling the Volty.

Very diplomatic of you BD. At least you assumed the cow bell referred to the bike and not the rider. :hug:

[fridayflash]

Hey there Flash! you looking after my tractor?"grandad, do you know flash gordon?" "Why yes boy he used to drive my tractor?
I'm there whichever day it is, will try to hook up.

hehe, i remember that ad caseye...oft quoted round these parts too
about the same era as "somewhere near taupo"

[retro asian]

So is it confirmed?
i.e. should I book 2 or 3 days off work?

[Clean_up]

count me in, at least for the 15th, and probably the 17th also, will apply for leave as soon as it is 100% confirmed.

[Mrs Busa Pete]

[QUOTE=Jantar;1129462345]The date for the BIKEOI should be when parliament is in session and Nick Smith is present. It should also be well before submissions close so that those at the BIKEOI can exchange ideas on what to include in their submissions. Parliament is in session
October 13, 14, 15, 20, 21, 22, 27, 28 and 29
November 17, 18, 19, 24, 25 and 26


If we are going to leave it that late till after the submission cut of date then it's just a waste of time. But we do need to go when paliament is sitting.

Sorry if the long weekend interfers with peoples holiday but we need to strike while the iron is hot and not leave it to be another drawn out campaign.

[StoneY]

[QUOTE]

If we are going to leave it that late till after the submission cut of date then it's just a waste of time. But we do need to go when paliament is sitting.

Sorry if the long weekend interfers with peoples holiday but we need to strike while the iron is hot and not leave it to be another drawn out campaign.

I agree Pete but if people cannot attend before that date (as the overwhelming response indicates) then its toothless anyway

80 Bikers, or 3000 bikers....

We still have to hear back from the Ulyses club, the BRONZ meeting on Wednesday.....its too early to say 'this date' but the overall support is for the 15-17th as days to ride, and 17th to spam Parliament

Cant deny the numbers, unfortunately

[Kflasher]

Looks like 15th / 17th it is... Cool my boss is a rider also, so it sounds like the office will be closed for those three days :2thumbsup

[buellbabe]

Bugger! I am due in Welly 2 days later to catch a ferry...would really like to participate so will wait for more definative info...Planning on attending the Bronz meeting tomorrow and have already signed a petition thats going around.

I agree with what was said about doing a SLOW ride. A huge group of bikes riding at the speed limit will be really effective. And those t-shirts are cool but how about a HUGE banner saying something like "CAN YA SEE US NOW?????????"

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Bugger! I am due in Welly 2 days later to catch a ferry...would really like to participate so will wait for more definative info...Planning on attending the Bronz meeting tomorrow and have already signed a petition thats going around.I agree with what was said about doing a SLOW ride. A huge group of bikes riding at the speed limit will be really effective. And those t-shirts are cool but how about a HUGE banner saying something like "CAN YA SEE US NOW?????????"

What petition is that i havn't seen one.

[Mom]

Bugger! I am due in Welly 2 days later to catch a ferry...would really like to participate so will wait for more definative info...Planning on attending the Bronz meeting tomorrow and have already signed a petition thats going around.

I agree with what was said about doing a SLOW ride. A huge group of bikes riding at the speed limit will be really effective. And those t-shirts are cool but how about a HUGE banner saying something like "CAN YA SEE US NOW?????????"

Come and find me at the meeting :yes: No doubt there will be other things happening for those that cant make the BIKOI.

[buellbabe]

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/nzbikers_vs_acc?e

after clicking on add signature another page came up asking for a donation, if you close out at this stage your signature still appears to go through so no financial worries. sweet.

Will come see you Mom :-)

[klingon]

[QUOTE]


If we are going to leave it that late till after the submission cut of date then it's just a waste of time. But we do need to go when paliament is sitting.

Sorry if the long weekend interfers with peoples holiday but we need to strike while the iron is hot and not leave it to be another drawn out campaign.

I strongly disagree. The submissions date is a nominal date set by ACC, and not the actual date that the Minister will be considering submissions. The BIKOI is a demonstration to the minister and his parliamentary colleagues that he will be making a very unpopular move if he goes ahead with the proposed levy rises.

November 17 is exactly the right date to make that point on the steps of Parliament.

Also remember the BIKEOI is only one action. There will be other actions (visible demos as well as submissions, petitions, etc) leading up to that date. On the 17th we will be presenting a petition to the Minister so the more signatures we can get before then, the better.

[StoneY]

What Klingon said

The date works for travellers, locals, and while a touch later than desirable for some, meets the needs

Its got mine and as far as I can see Ixion and the other regional supporters behind that date so far, I think we should now start planning as if thats the day untill further notice

[TerminalAddict]

my vote:
15th for non locals, with the option to stay until the 17th

[buellbabe]

Ditto what Klinon said, this is just one of many actions. I am sure there is more than one petition circulating plus there is nothing stopping ya from sending in you own submission ( I certainly will be ) and if possible join in any organised protest that is happening in your local area if unable to join the Bikeoi.
The more noise we make the more chance we have of being heard.

[Hopeful Bastard]

As much as i would like to say the Sunday 15th, If the Tuesday 17th group goes and rides up to Parliament, People will say that its already been done.. And wont take any interest in it..

The sunday group can ride around Parliament and go do some door knocking on ACC and National...

I dont think my Funds would be enough for me to make both trips down.. But i will try my hardest

[buellbabe]

Just had another thought...No doubt the organisers are already onto it...but just wanted to add that involving the local police of towns the ride will be going through would be a very good piece of PR. You may be surprised just how co-operative they will be.
Whenever I have been involved with huge rides the cops have always had a courtesy visit and as a result have been willing to stop traffic at intersections and that sort of thing...

And the actual ride within Wellington could benefit from a police escort...

Just a thought...

[sunhuntin]

Just had another thought...No doubt the organisers are already onto it...but just wanted to add that involving the local police of towns the ride will be going through would be a very good piece of PR. You may be surprised just how co-operative they will be.
Whenever I have been involved with huge rides the cops have always had a courtesy visit and as a result have been willing to stop traffic at intersections and that sort of thing...

And the actual ride within Wellington could benefit from a police escort...

Just a thought...

thats a good idea, if they are willing to come on board. even if they just allowed a free run through sets of lights so the group can stay together would be a help.
im thinking some of the smaller towns near kapiti coast where theres lots of lights is where they would be best needed.

[StoneY]

Just had another thought...No doubt the organisers are already onto it...but just wanted to add that involving the local police of towns the ride will be going through would be a very good piece of PR. You may be surprised just how co-operative they will be.
Whenever I have been involved with huge rides the cops have always had a courtesy visit and as a result have been willing to stop traffic at intersections and that sort of thing...

And the actual ride within Wellington could benefit from a police escort...

Just a thought...

I have the contact details for the National and Wellington Operation Manager(s)
Regional Organisers have access to that information, and we will be advizing these two gentlemen of our final action plans to ensure the Police are fully briefed and onside as much as possible

Good thinking though BB, I imagine the groups of riders coming through the regions are not exactly going to be one giant convoy from Auck's to Welly....I can only see real group coordination coming together in the last 100kms of the whole run, but I hope I am proven wrong on that
;)

[buellbabe]

Every bit of public friendly stuff we can do is gonna help the cause!

United we stand and all that!

[dpex]

Consensus so far (consensus ? with bikers :rofl:) is that it is essential we do the Manchester bit on a weekdays when the droids are actually present.

But, we really want a BIG show of numbers to make a noise around the town

After eliminating every day in the year and adding a few back that leaves two options that seem to have the running :

1. Nov 15th-17th We hold (a) Regional BIKOI in Welly on the Sunday. That works for numbers , (most) people can go down Saturday, back Sunday evening . Then we do the actual Parliament assembly on Tuesday for those who can get the time off (some of the Sunday folk will doubtless stay over)

2. Nov 5th. For symbolic reasons. It's a Thursday so the scheme in (1) won't work, probably not much point in a big assembly after we've fronted up at the Beehive.

I've made this multichoice because some people will be OK with either option. Only a drivelling idiot would also tick the "none of them are any good " option. So well ignore those.

Bugger. 5th is the start of PMCC racing at Taupo. 15th is AMCC track day at Puke (my bikes on loan to two riders).

[Clean_up]

Ive set up a facebook event for the protest ride, so feel free to add yourself to it and invite eveyone you can think of.

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=162482016422#/event.php?eid=162482016422&index=1

[bogan]

Ive set up a facebook event for the protest ride, so feel free to add yourself to it and invite eveyone you can think of.

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=162482016422#/event.php?eid=162482016422&index=1

is that wise? I was under the impression we were going to confer with BRONZ (represented by the good Ixion) and wait for the results from that. In fact I'm fairly sure it has been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, the last thing we need is people getting confused about dates, and generally making us look like a bunch of unorganized rabble. Unless this date has been finalised, though i have seen no thread indicating such.

[Ixion]

It just got more complicated

I'm off to find a nice cosy gas oven to put my head in.

[Skyryder]

Yeah. Get associated with the biggest loser in politics at the moment...

Sir Owen Woodhouse (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10604027)would be a more appropriate speaker.

I'd keep Goff out of it too if possible. Mind you he'll want to have his say. I just don't know how he would be recieved.

Skyryder

[bogan]

It just got more complicated

I'm off to find a nice cosy gas oven to put my head in.

care to share and unburden yourself to the masses, its probly a safer option than the oven, well if you ignore the possibility of a lynching if it really turns out badly.

I do not envy you taking the job of national BIKOI co-ordinator, though I do applaud it :2thumbsup

[klingon]

is that wise? I was under the impression we were going to confer with BRONZ (represented by the good Ixion) and wait for the results from that. In fact I'm fairly sure it has been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, the last thing we need is people getting confused about dates, and generally making us look like a bunch of unorganized rabble. Unless this date has been finalised, though i have seen no thread indicating such.

You're right. The date has not yet been formalised. I think it would be wise to hold off for another 24 hours before putting the (assumed) date out there!

[klingon]

care to share and unburden yourself to the masses, its probly a safer option than the oven, well if you ignore the possibility of a lynching if it really turns out badly.

I do not envy you taking the job of national BIKOI co-ordinator, though I do applaud it :2thumbsup

Correction: Mr Ixion has always denied being the National BIKOI Coordinator! Please don't make the gas oven any more tempting! (Anyway no more ACC for suicides...)

[bogan]

You're right. The date has not yet been formalised. I think it would be wise to hold off for another 24 hours before putting the (assumed) date out there!

Indeed, ill drop that guy a PM asking him to hold off before it gains too much momentum.


Correction: Mr Ixion has always denied being the National BIKOI Coordinator! Please don't make the gas oven any more tempting! (Anyway no more ACC for suicides...)

Yeh, but I used to deny being a bogan, didnt make it so (or not so shud it be?)

[klingon]

Indeed, ill drop that guy a PM asking him to hold off before it gains too much momentum.

Good idea.

[sunhuntin]

have we got an idea of what TIME we need to be at parliament, cos i will need to arrange a place to crash on monday night if we have to be there early tuesday? dont want to dick people around arranging times and places and then having to back track and arrange something else.

[klingon]

have we got an idea of what TIME we need to be at parliament, cos i will need to arrange a place to crash on monday night if we have to be there early tuesday? dont want to dick people around arranging times and places and then having to back track and arrange something else.

I have suggested about mid-day but the time is yet to be set. I believe parliament begins sitting at 2pm on a Tuesday, and that is when MPs are required to be in the debating chamber. So some time before that (but not too early) would be best, IMO.

Can anyone get hold of a detailed parliamentary schedule?

[StoneY]

My opinion on timing (and I used to work in a roll that meant frequent visits to the chamber) is be THERE by 2.30 pm

This allows them to get to their seats, and not get too far into points of the day before we disrupt them

Also we can make our escape around 330 without pissing off every Wellington commuter

Just a suggestion tho- no plan is yet made so suggestions peeps, no point making anything solid yet

I reckon if we had 2 convoys depart from Papkowhai and Avalon Park at same time around 2pm, we would be smack ontime.
Stright into Murphy st, past train station, back round to Molesworth and bang were there, no city impact at all

[Hawkeye]

My opinion on timing (and I used to work in a roll that meant frequent visits to the chamber) is be THERE by 2.30 pm

This allows them to get to their seats, and not get too far into points of the day before we disrupt them

Also we can make our escape around 330 without pissing off every Wellington commuter

Just a suggestion tho- no plan is yet made so suggestions peeps, no point making anything solid yet

I reckon if we had 2 convoys depart from Papkowhai and Avalon Park at same time around 2pm, we would be smack ontime.
Stright into Murphy st, past train station, back round to Molesworth and bang were there, no city impact at all


A lead rider (or a cage) in both groups, with pillions/passengers that are in contact via text can also get the groups to the bottom of the gorge at the same time.

[StoneY]

A lead rider (or a cage) in both groups, with pillions/passengers that are in contact via text can also get the groups to the bottom of the gorge at the same time.

We could have 2 bike shop signwritten utes/trucks do that for us, pace car style and a passenger to run comms....good idea HE

I have alerted a number of bike shops to our meeting on Thursday, not one has said they would not attend

[sinfull]

Bugger. 5th is the start of PMCC racing at Taupo. 15th is AMCC track day at Puke (my bikes on loan to two riders). If you turn up at the PMCC event on the 5th you will be 4 days late David !!!
And the 17th is a teusday and is when parliment is sitting (pretty sure if a national protest ride makes it's way to wellington they wont be getting there till then) I'm sure your dunga will get you here by then !!

I'll be in taupo 14th and 15th and i'm pretty sure i'll make it !

Be at the wellington meeting on thursday night and depending what comes out of the Bronze meeting tonight, i'll be doing my darndest to make sure no half arsed regional protest happens in wellington !
All well and good for other regions but not in wellington !!!! Thats where the Main protest should be seen to happen, not a wee KB one where EVERYONE will say Pffft was that it ???


Indeed, ill drop that guy a PM asking him to hold off before it gains too much momentum.



Yeh, but I used to deny being a bogan, didnt make it so (or not so shud it be?) That would prolly be wise !
How can we as KBers (where is the poll standing now 150 voters only 90 odd voted for the 15-to 17th) say when this will be happening ?
Why don't we wait till Ixion gets back to us re the meeting tonight lol !

[Hopeful Bastard]

Just my $0.02 worth...


Aucklanders - leave on the 15th and make their way slowly down the Island. Same with Southies

Stay half way on your trip - Remember! WE CANT BIN!

make the trip into your accomodation on the 16th - Remember, We need rest ;)

And then smack them Pollies hard on the 17th when they sit.

[sinfull]

Just my $0.02 worth...


Aucklanders - leave on the 15th and make their way slowly down the Island. Same with Southies

Stay half way on your trip - Remember! WE CAN BIN!

make the trip into your accomodation on the 16th - Remember, We need rest ;)

And then smack them Pollies hard on the 17th when they sit. Thank god they obliterated them coins !~

[sunhuntin]

I have suggested about mid-day but the time is yet to be set. I believe parliament begins sitting at 2pm on a Tuesday, and that is when MPs are required to be in the debating chamber. So some time before that (but not too early) would be best, IMO.

Can anyone get hold of a detailed parliamentary schedule?

that sounds perfect. means i could do there and back in a day without feeling it too much.

[dpex]

Have I missed something or has there been a date set for the BIG RIDE?

I've got a real bad itch. I want to be a part of thousands of bikes, in one long stream, holding up traffic, scaring concerned mothers of three, and turning up to ONE LOCATION! Ergo, Parliament, Key's house, or Scott-Base.

I don't care where. I just want to be there. Thanks Tim. Excellent quote.

For those of you who missed it, the paraphrasis is from Tim Shadbolt saying..'I don't care where, I just want to be Mayor.'

So do we have a time and a place, and a stream of bikes?

When? And to where?

BTW: Are 'we' inviting the mobs? After all, they might pay rego too. We could arrange things so that we all go through Fonganewy, just to piss off that lightweight gnome of a mayor!

[riffer]

You'll probably find out more after the BRONZ meeting tonight.

Wait a few more hours. Like all the rest of us.

[Hopeful Bastard]

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/6372039/bikers-plan-to-converge-on-parliament/


17th it is then...

[Azi Dahaka]

Yeah nice article pitty it is only on the newstalk zb site and not on the nz herald or the dom post sites I am thinking of emailing them the link for more coverage.
All they talk about is plotting not a date

[StoneY]

Yeah nice article pitty it is only on the newstalk zb site and not on the nz herald or the dom post sites I am thinking of emailing them the link for more coverage.
All they talk about is plotting not a date

Dom Post are taking photo's of me and Bald Eagle as thier photographer cannot make the meeting tonight

They are running an in depth story tomorrow on the BIKOI

Watch this space (actually buy a paper!!!)

[StoneY]

BTW: Are 'we' inviting the mobs? After all, they might pay rego too. We could arrange things so that we all go through Fonganewy, just to piss off that lightweight gnome of a mayor!


Dude, wrong attitude
Yes they pay rego (unlikely but some must) however not the image we want

Cant stop them coming, but shit, how do we get them to behave?
They wont, so I for one wsih to avoid including them

Bike clubs, welcome!
Gangs, not :(

Fair call I say

[Qkchk]

Can't make either - CRAP! :angry2:

In Christchurch during the week of the 5th and then in Wellington (but bike-less) during the week of 15th - 17th. Unfortunately all my work travel is paid up for (flights / accomodation / hire car) so I don't have a choice............. :cry:

[MadDuck]

Bike clubs, welcome!
Gangs, not :(

Fair call I say

Would it be more plausible to try and say all "bikers" welcome but no patches? Or does that open a whole new can of beans.....

[rideon]

Would it be more plausible to try and say all "bikers" welcome but no patches? Or does that open a whole new can of beans.....

It does if ya in Wanganui....:lol:

[nothingflash]

oh god... there's beans everywhere....

[jaymzw]

It does if ya in Wanganui....:lol:

Do you mean WHanganui:buggerd:

Rats! I cant make any of these dates! Bloody school:mad:

But i agree, whilst on public display Gang patches wouldn't be the best idea. Making a good impression is everything :2thumbsup

[StoneY]

Would it be more plausible to try and say all "bikers" welcome but no patches? Or does that open a whole new can of beans.....

You speak wisely old one

I rescind my previous position and bow wisely to the master
:not:

You said what I meant, and said it way better :niceone:

[modboy]

Would it be more plausible to try and say all "bikers" welcome but no patches? Or does that open a whole new can of beans.....

I got no issue with patches, it's behaviour that is important and I reckon the patched bros (if there are any here) know how we all wanna roll (as a collective thing) and I reckon they'd be in on the same trip.

I'm more than happy to ride next to anyone patched as a brother rider with the same cause.

I pulled up at a bar, next to a crew, harley bobbers, balaclavas, chrome german helmets etc etc. In whakatane a few weeks back. They go hey bro awesome bike, sit down bro, have a beer with us. Excellent lads, all totally respectful - very relaxed. Just cos you got a patch doesn't mean you are gonna cause a riot.

just my experience.

[Bald Eagle]

I got no issue with patches, it's behaviour that is important and I reckon the patched bros (if there are any here) know how we all wanna roll (as a collective thing) and I reckon they'd be in on the same trip.

I'm more than happy to ride next to anyone patched as a brother rider with the same cause.

I pulled up at a bar, next to a crew, harley bobbers, balaclavas, chrome german helmets etc etc. In whakatane a few weeks back. They go hey bro awesome bike, sit down bro, have a beer with us. Excellent lads, all totally respectful - very relaxed. Just cos you got a patch doesn't mean you are gonna cause a riot.

just my experience.

Too true as an ex :Police: who remembers the days when we used to escort them when they went on runs, they are all regularish types who enjoy the ride. Must avoid the stereotyping.

[StoneY]

Too true as an ex :Police: who remembers the days when we used to escort them when they went on runs, they are all regularish types who enjoy the ride. Must avoid the stereotyping.

To some extent paul.

And I suppose, to really show the 'biker' they are representative of a part of our lifestyle
I grew up with a lot of that lifestyle........

[sinfull]

Dude, wrong attitude
Yes they pay rego (unlikely but some must) however not the image we want

Cant stop them coming, but shit, how do we get them to behave?
They wont, so I for one wsih to avoid including them

Bike clubs, welcome!
Gangs, not :(

Fair call I say


To some extent paul.

And I suppose, to really show the 'biker' they are representative of a part of our lifestyle
I grew up with a lot of that lifestyle........
Starting to think your full of it !

[StoneY]

Starting to think your full of it !


I dont give a fuck WHAT you think

What have you contributed beyond mass postings with no action?

I may be 'full of it' but im making a difference and fighting the fight not sitting in Bulls bitching about it

[caseye]

Now now STONEY:Playnice: LOL.
Remember we are here for the fight, to win nothing less, go give it everything boyo.

[gazmascelle]

Is anything being organised for the 15th?

[StoneY]

There has been talk of a minor ride-out gathering with flier handouts, but nothing big yet

Its sort of the expected departure day for those traveling furthest

[gazmascelle]

Sweet as, guess I'll just keep an eye on the forums. I'm only available weekends :(

[Holy Roller]

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/6372039/bikers-plan-to-converge-on-parliament/


17th it is then...

Radio Live announced that the ride was the 16- 17th in their news bulliten on the 5pm slot on the 22nd

[Little Miss Trouble]

Can't make either - CRAP! :angry2:

In Christchurch during the week of the 5th and then in Wellington (but bike-less) during the week of 15th - 17th. Unfortunately all my work travel is paid up for (flights / accomodation / hire car) so I don't have a choice............. :cry:

Try this (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=110652) thread, or I'm sure one of the bike shops down there would happy for you to take a 'test ride' on the day

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Dude, wrong attitude
Yes they pay rego (unlikely but some must) however not the image we want

Cant stop them coming, but shit, how do we get them to behave?
They wont, so I for one wsih to avoid including them

Bike clubs, welcome!
Gangs, not :(

Fair call I say

How are you going to stop them it is a public road. And they have just as much wright to be on the road as we do even with patch's.

[Murray]

Invite Michael Laws, he rides a bike doesnt he? he will sort them out!!

[Ixion]

Does he ? Ride I mean ?

We need a high profile front person

[davereid]

It would be nice if we could find a high profile female.. it just helps us look less macho, and more normal kiwi...

...Not that I could look macho if I tried...

[Ixion]

Yes a chick would be good.

But for the "in front of Parlaiment" bit the person needs to be high profile and photogenic,male or female. We need it to be theatrical.

I don't know any high profile chicks that ride (or even pillion ). Sorry ladies no offence, but what I'm looking for here is a "household name".

[klingon]

Does he ? Ride I mean ?

We need a high profile front person

Please please PLEASE don't invite Micael Laws to be a front person (or even to speak at the event). He is a PR disaster. :no: Poor man.

[klingon]

Yes a chick would be good.

But for the "in front of Parlaiment" bit the person needs to be high profile and photogenic,male or female. We need it to be theatrical.

I don't know any high profile chicks that ride (or even pillion ). Sorry ladies no offence, but what I'm looking for here is a "household name".

Yeah sorry, Ixion. I can't help there either. I will ask around my contacts but I think our best hope is to get the whole Kiwibiker team working their contact lists. Someone must know a high-profile, attractive, female biker who would be prepared to take on the role.

Of course we would offer her plenty of support in the background - she wouldn't be expected to know all the facts already as we would give her plenty of coaching. She just needs to be prepared to put her name and face out there.

This would be an excellent career move for a Kiwi actress wanting a bit more exposure.

PS could we please keep this train of thought reasonably 'clean.' Yes I know I used the word exposure. <_< Yes I know all you blokes like to talk about boobs on bikes at every opportunity. But if we want a high-profile female presenting our case, we need to treat her with respect.

[naphazoline]

What about asking Lula?

She's quite likely to know someone who's high profile,and she know a lot of chick bikers.

Just a thought.

[Ixion]

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Of course we would offer her plenty of support in the background - she wouldn't be expected to know all the facts already as we would give her plenty of coaching. She just needs to be prepared to put her name and face out there.

..


She wouldn't even really need that - there'd be plenty of supporters there that would she could just refer tricky questions. I'm thinking here of someone to be the smiling face not the answer person.

Just need someone high profile, photogenic. We need to make the Wellington arrival a theatrical event, a spectacle. And if we can't take the bikes into Parliament grounds, we risk the whole thing becoming just a bunch of people in funny clothes trudging on foot to some obscure place behind the boiler room where they're going to alow us to meet.

[klingon]

She wouldn't even really need that - there'd be plenty of supporters there that would she could just refer tricky questions. I'm thinking here of someone to be the smiling face not the answer person.

Just need someone high profile, photogenic. We need to make the Wellington arrival a theatrical event, a spectacle. And if we can't take the bikes into Parliament grounds, we risk the whole thing becoming just a bunch of people in funny clothes trudging on foot to some obscure place behind the boiler room where they're going to alow us to meet.

Troo troo Mr Ixion.

BUT if she had a pretty face AND knew what she was talking about it would be even more effective. We can't help with the face issue but we can definitely help with the knowledge issue.

[klingon]

What about asking Lula?

She's quite likely to know someone who's high profile,and she know a lot of chick bikers.

Just a thought.

Great idea. will someone who knows Lula please PM her and ask if she has any ideas for us? (I would feel a bit rude if my first ever PM to someone was a request for help :laugh:)

[Ixion]

Troo troo Mr Ixion.

BUT if she had a pretty face AND knew what she was talking about it would be even more effective. We can't help with the face issue but we can definitely help with the knowledge issue.

The more the better. But even more important than a pretty face (I'd be just as happy with a crinkly grandmother actually), is that she is well known. A celebrity type person.

The press, bless their little hearts , are a shallow and sensationalist bunch.

If we can't provide punchups, arson, random public copulation or bleeding crash victims, they will not be very interested in us.

If there is a celebrity involved however they will fall over each other to cover the event.

Makes me despair of the human race , I'm glad I'm no longer a member. But, that's the way it is

[StoneY]

I dont agree at all with getting a famous female whos attractive to look at (rider or not)

'I dont believe a 'pretty face and fame' makes for any more credibility then Les himself earned the other night

I have had total strangers, and high up work colleagues say 'wow that guy on 20/20 knew his shit, he had ACC suit utterly stumped'

This 'we need a celebrity' is way off target, off subject, and un-constructive

Biker, sure, famous, maybe, politician, NO (motivations suspect) but this person HAS to be someone down to earth, normal every day Kiwi

Were losing focus worrying about some possible famous spunk who the Nation will love at a glance, and thats not whats needed

FACTs, the proof ACC lied, and real street cred is all we need

[Ixion]

Horses for courses.

I don't really think that when the BIKEOI arrives at the Beehive we will get into a debate with anyone.

That's show time, not question time.

My role was to cut the ground from under the feet of the ACC and politicians by making it impossible for them to take the "Well of course bikers are angry. So what, they're all a bunch of antisocial bludging 1%ers, the sooner they're taxed off the road the better". Which was (I'm sure, anyway) where Key and Smith were taking it, following the NSW biker legislation example. They can't go there now, Uncle Les just obviously isn't that.

The role of whoever fronts the arrival of the BIKEOI is something different. ACC won't even be there, any political presence will be of a purely "We understand your concerns, trust us" variety.

What the front for the BIKEOI *does* have to do, is make every editor go "Wow, we HAVE to cover this , on prime time".

I won't get that response. Someone else may

Doesn't have to be a chick. But there's advantage in keeping them guessing, and in showing the many faces of motorcycling.

[klingon]

I liked the priest in the Nelson protest wearing his dog-collar & all. The camera just couldn't resist him. :D

[StoneY]

Pretty sure the shear numbers is gonna get us on every damn TV news show, 20/20, 60 minutes, the works

Was just my opinion tho, happy to go with the majority of course
:)

Edit:
Ive told TV1 and TV3 and Maori TV...any more we need to alert?

[davereid]

What the front for the BIKEOI *does* have to do, is make every editor go "Wow, we HAVE to cover this , on prime time".


IM WITH IKE.. er IX..

Pick the right chick, and our cause will be in all the immediate media like TV and radio, but will also be in all the longer term stuff like "womans day - weekly, (monthly?)..." you know, "how ACC have poked us in the eye" piccy of doris and ATGATT clad child on Harley...

[Ixion]

Pretty sure the shear numbers is gonna get us on every damn TV news show, 20/20, 60 minutes, the works

Was just my opinion tho, happy to go with the majority of course
:)

Edit:
Ive told TV1 and TV3 and Maori TV...any more we need to alert?

not too confident on those numbers. Especially if we have to park the bikes up here there and around and walk in.

[2wheeldrifter]

What about asking Lula, she's could handle that I am sure, she does media work etc for the bike trader, just a thought...

now were was I.... :confused:

[StoneY]

not too confident on those numbers. Especially if we have to park the bikes up here there and around and walk in.

Speaker has yet to answer me on access

But he made Ulysses stay off grounds, I have seen the official letter and it reads 'as with all protest action, no vehicles are allowed on the grounds, this is standard policy and will not be compromised'

So despite our numbers I have little faith we will be allowed in the gates, even though the Police have backed my request to enter....

We shall see
But loads, I mean LOADS of nearby parking, Thanks Council (coning off half of molesworth st and all nearby pavement) and I am sure we will 'adapt' as required

[Ixion]

Maybe I should clarify.

Not suggesting we get some "person of pulchritude" (is that politically correct enough?) to take over fronting the whole ACC protest.

Just the bit when we arrive at the Beehive and get sent to the boggy bit behind the boiler house. I'm assuming that someone will say something (even if it's only "Oi, you mongrels piss off".)

We want the TV news to make a big thing of it

But, TV news , current affairs programmes etc are entertainment. Not intended (usually) for informing , let alone spreading data.

And for entertainment, we need an entertainer. Which I emphatically am not.

The editors that send reporters to cover these things do not do so because they want the public to be better informed. They do so in the hope that something entertaining will happen.

Entertaining in our context means fights , riots, bloodshed, people arrested etc. - I bet, BTW that we are a terribly sore point with the news editors. Thousands of angry bikers and not ONE shot of someone getting the bash, anyone getting arrested etc. What's the world coming to.

Think of it from the point of view of Joe Q Public, that deep and incisive thinker.

He turns on the news "What's on, dear?" says Mrs Joe. "Oh, just those bikers complaining about ACC levies again" "Is it interesting" "No, just that old guy making a speech. Boooorrrring . What's on Sky".

Compare with "..." "Is it interesting" , "Hey, YEAH. That's Paris Hilton! I GOT to watch this".

(I know Ms Hilton does not ride. But you get the idea)

Actually if we could run a double team of Paris Hilton and Brad Pitt we could take over the country.

But the Wellington gig needs an entertainer to front it. I am not an entertainer. Nor I think are any of those so far involved (apologies if someone has unnoticed talents . Hitcher?)

[caseye]

Ixion, you do protest too much, far as I'm concerend if theres to be any speaking upon arrival at parlaiment you are the man for the job.
I did say, "if the was to be any speaking upon arrival at parliament"

[naphazoline]

Great idea. will someone who knows Lula please PM her and ask if she has any ideas for us?

Done.

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[Rockbuddy]

Speaker has yet to answer me on access

But he made Ulysses stay off grounds, I have seen the official letter and it reads 'as with all protest action, no vehicles are allowed on the grounds, this is standard policy and will not be compromised'

So despite our numbers I have little faith we will be allowed in the gates, even though the Police have backed my request to enter....

We shall see
But loads, I mean LOADS of nearby parking, Thanks Council (coning off half of molesworth st and all nearby pavement) and I am sure we will 'adapt' as required
I seem to remember some dude drive a tractor up the steps. how did he get in??

[yungatart]

I seem to remember some dude drive a tractor up the steps. how did he get in??

You are correct.
The tractor driver is the reason no one is allowed a vehicle in there anymore.

[naphazoline]

I seem to remember some dude drive a tractor up the steps. how did he get in??

Shane Ardern.

A National MP for Taranaki/King country.

[mctshirt]

Media attention is where it's at for an event like this so the bigger and prettier the celebrity the better. Celebrity will get a wider range of media attention keeping the issue in the public eye rather than dying a natural death as people get on with their lives and lose interest.

Nothing is going to be debated and certainly not resolved by negotiation on the day so the informed can have a rest - it's really just a show of hands - a publicity stunt if you like.

[Azi Dahaka]

You are correct.
The tractor driver is the reason no one is allowed a vehicle in there anymore.

asshole spoiling it for everyone else

[Lula]

What about asking Lula?

She's quite likely to know someone who's high profile, and she know a lot of chick bikers.

Hi guys I've asked a couple of girls that I know and most can't make it or are a little camera shy. I'm waiting on a couple of others to come back to me so I'll let you know if any of them are keen.

[StoneY]

Media attention is where it's at for an event like this so the bigger and prettier the celebrity the better. Celebrity will get a wider range of media attention keeping the issue in the public eye rather than dying a natural death as people get on with their lives and lose interest.

.

I am totally opposed to this viewpoint

its about BIKERS not pretty faces, and we will LOSE credibility for pandering to imges

I agree with Caseye but also can see that Les is not too keen to be the figurehead, and fair enough he has done his bit (and more Kudos Les, youve led a great campaign so far)

Clebrity, maybe, gorgeous and female, TOTALLY fuckin irrelevant

If this was the case Klingon is more than suitable, and has cred as a biker (if not celebrity and fame)
Hitcher has some good advice on these matters

But I state again, I do NOT beleive we need pretty or famous people, just a clear, well informed speaker to present our case, and refute any BS thrown back at us

[Bald Eagle]

I am totally opposed to this viewpoint

its about BIKERS not pretty faces, and we will LOSE credibility for pandering to imges

I agree with Caseye but also can see that Les is not too keen to be the figurehead, and fair enough he has done his bit (and more Kudos Les, youve led a great campaign so far)

Clebrity, maybe, gorgeous and female, TOTALLY fuckin irrelevant

If this was the case Klingon is more than suitable, and has cred as a biker (if not celebrity and fame)
Hitcher has some good advice on these matters

But I state again, I do NOT beleive we need pretty or famous people, just a clear, well informed speaker to present our case, and refute any BS thrown back at us

Here here that man this isn't a popularity contest it's a political battle and solid supported arguments clearly communicated to all media opportunities is what is required.

[StoneY]

This issue is no, longer a public one

I have taken it to the leadership of the BIKEOI, so no point waxing rhetorical in this thread anymore folks lets move on-

This is the thread where Regional Details for Wellington related BIKEOI activity and information is to be posted, please, no more spokesperson discussion here,

Thank you