Are scooters to become motorbikes?

[FROSTY]

Did I read right? Looks to me that 50cc scooters are going to be treated as motorbikes. If thats the case then I say FINALLY. No more shit box dangerous peces of crap from china allowed on the streets.
I don't even care if their rego costs stay the same --Just as long as they actually have to pass a WOF

[Swoop]

as long as they actually have to pass a WOF
This is part of the proposals. We will wait and see what happens...

[Ixion]

ONLY as far as ACC is concerned. Still a separate class as far as LTNZ is concerned. ACC classification doesn't affect WOF.

[sunhuntin]

if they have to pass WOF, there will be about 50 less scooters on the road in my town alone! some of them are held together with number 8 wire, duct tape and lots of crossed fingers. i dont see why they are exempt from wof anyway.

[FROSTY]

if they have to pass WOF, there will be about 50 less scooters on the road in my town alone! some of them are held together with number 8 wire, duct tape and lots of crossed fingers. i dont see why they are exempt from wof anyway.
Thats been my arguement for years.
Ixion --part of one of the gubiment changes is to change scooters to being small motorcycles as far as the LTSA is concerned. A small difference yes but it would mean they do need a WOF :2thumbsup

[Mully]

I wonder if they're going to make scroter riders actually get some training (including training on how gear stops ouchys.

[dpex]

Did I read right? Looks to me that 50cc scooters are going to be treated as motorbikes. If thats the case then I say FINALLY. No more shit box dangerous peces of crap from china allowed on the streets.
I don't even care if their rego costs stay the same --Just as long as they actually have to pass a WOF

Um, Frosty, the last time I looked, you were heavily into selling shit-box Chinese two-wheels until you discovered that shit-box Chinese two-wheels weren't a seller.

Isn't this just a tad hypocritical on your part?

[Squiggles]

Thats been my arguement for years.
Ixion --part of one of the gubiment changes is to change scooters to being small motorcycles as far as the LTSA is concerned. A small difference yes but it would mean they do need a WOF :2thumbsup

ACC's plan is to have mopeds pay the levy. Submissions on the safer journeys document to the Ministry of Transport included aspects of licensing mopeds similar to how motorcycles currently are.

[FROSTY]

Um, Frosty, the last time I looked, you were heavily into selling shit-box Chinese two-wheels until you discovered that shit-box Chinese two-wheels weren't a seller.

Isn't this just a tad hypocritical on your part?
You clearly are a blind old man. The "shit box" scooters I was selling would and DO pass all requirements to pass a WOF.

[James Deuce]

You clearly are a blind old man. The "shit box" scooters I was selling would and DO pass all requirements to pass a WOF.

You left out grumpy and judgmental.

[FROSTY]

You left out grumpy and judgmental.
Why thank you James.
Best I add -Grumpy ,hypocritical,judgemental,-er have i left anything out?

[riffer]

Yes,

ignorant.

[Ixion]

Why thank you James.
Best I add -Grumpy ,hypocritical,judgemental,-er have i left anything out?

Ticklish ?

[James Deuce]

One can hope.

[kwaka_crasher]

Scooters - no. Mopeds - yes.

[James Deuce]

Scooters - no. Mopeds - yes.

50cc scooters of less than 2kw output are mopeds.

[jrandom]

including training on how gear stops ouchys.

Right, that's it, I'm off to ride faster than a 50cc scooter all day wearing basically nothing.

[James Deuce]

Just polishing my thong, then I'll join you.

[crazyhorse]

wait........... I'll just get changed and join you too :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Warren]

50cc scooters of less than 2kw output are mopeds.

Anything 50cc or less which is has less than 50 km/h and 2kW is a moped. There are scooters which are not classified as mopeds and non-scooters that are classified as a moped.

If mopeds do have to get a WOF then there wil be a massive amount of bikes that will become worthless overnight. Some of the mopeds should be off the road but the extra costs will discourage many from ever getting onto two wheels (with a motor).

[davereid]

If mopeds do have to get a WOF then there wil be a massive amount of bikes that will become worthless overnight. Some of the mopeds should be off the road but the extra costs will discourage many from ever getting onto two wheels (with a motor).

I have run (and as a result of these changes, just closed) a Moped shop. Its fair to say that many of the chinese scooters would never get a WOF, even when new. But the Taiwanese - Japanese and Euro bikes are well up to WOF standard, some will out corner and out brake cheap motorcycles.

The reason they don't seem to need a WOF is the NZTA simply couldnt find any linkage between vehicle defects and accidents. Even though the bikes were sometimes pretty woeful, riders generally crashed due to the nut behind the wheel, of car or moped.

I think the MOPED reg bike may survive as there will be a market for those who can't be bothered getting a 6L licence.

But this proposal by ACC has destroyed the cheap cheerful transport of many.

[NighthawkNZ]

they should be the same as every other motorised vehicle on the road...

[James Deuce]

Anything 50cc or less which is has less than 50 km/h and 2kW is a moped. There are scooters which are not classified as mopeds and non-scooters that are classified as a moped.

If mopeds do have to get a WOF then there wil be a massive amount of bikes that will become worthless overnight. Some of the mopeds should be off the road but the extra costs will discourage many from ever getting onto two wheels (with a motor).

I responding to the chap who was trying to insist that scooters aren't mopeds. The law makes no distinction between something shaped like a Scooter, 50cc, and less than 2kw and an old Posty's Mobylette with pedals, OK?.

[Ixion]

The law actually knows nothing of scooters. There is no legal definition of one.

Motorcycle, or moped. That's your choice . Even the old power assisted cycle is gone.

[Mully]

Right, that's it, I'm off to ride faster than a 50cc scooter all day wearing basically nothing.

That's another issue. All cyclists should be made to wear full gear, fluro vests and flashing beacons on top of their (full-face) helmets (possibly with red and green navigation lights too). Plus register their bikes and hang number plates on them.

Especially those bastard bicycle couriers.

:Pokey:

[kwaka_crasher]

50cc scooters of less than 2kw output are mopeds.

'Scooters' is a colloquial term. For the purposes of registration it's either a moped or a motorcycle. Most scooters do not qualify as mopeds.

[James Deuce]

'Scooters' is a colloquial term. For the purposes of registration it's either a moped or a motorcycle. Most scooters do not qualify as mopeds.

I wouldn't go that far. Have a look at 50cc scooter rego volume. They're sold on the moped premise because you only need a car licence to ride them.

[kwaka_crasher]

I wouldn't go that far. Have a look at 50cc scooter rego volume. They're sold on the moped premise because you only need a car licence to ride them.

I would. There's no definition or sub-classification of a 'scooter' under which registered mopeds and motorcycles are actually identifiable. I would say most mopeds would be those chinese shitbox minichoppersm although gladly I haven't seen any for a while - that fad is over. But there are plenty of scooters up to 650cc on the roads these days.

[Drunken Monkey]

'Scooters' is a colloquial term. For the purposes of registration it's either a moped or a motorcycle. Most scooters do not qualify as mopeds.

Put simply: A scooter is a step through motorbike, regardless of engine CC/power. A moped is based on CC/power regardless of frame configuration.

[kwaka_crasher]

Put simply: A scooter is a step through motorbike, regardless of engine CC/power. A moped is based on CC/power regardless of frame configuration.

Yes. And 'scooters' are not currently levied differently to motorcycles based on those features. Mopeds are.