LASIK vision correction?

[p.dath]

I've been thinking about getting my eyes lasered for some time.

I wear contacts and glasses, but both have their drawbacks, especially when it comes to riding my bike.
If I'm on the track, and wear contacts and accelerate hard the contacts shift off from where they should be on my eyes, and I temporarily loose good vision (okay, I'm almost blinded) for 30s or so. If I wear glasses they tend to get pushed hard into my face and it is not very comfortable.

If I ride early in the morning, when it's cold, I have to wear contacts as glasses tend to fog up if I have to stop at the lights (I have a pinlock visor).


And I'm pretty much reaching the point where the annoyance has reached the point where I am thinking of separating with some cash. Both eyes need to be done, but I thought I'd just get one done to reduce the cash outlay. I would probably change to using contacts nearly full time in the other eye as long as I had one eye I could rely on.

I'm thinking of having the procedure done at the Auckland Eye Clinic.


Would anyone else care to share their experience to help me make up my mind.

[Katman]

I would strongly recommend getting the procedure done. It has ended up being the best money I have ever spent. I had the surgery done on both eyes at the same time about 2 and a half years ago. However...........

I did develop an inflammation under one cornea which turned into a fairly major problem. I had to put up with extremely distorted vision for just over a year before it healed and settled down to the point where the Institute was prepared to have another go.

But don't worry - mine was a 1 in 5000 occurance. :whistle:

[Dean]

Contacts work fine, you should have your eye size checked and order new ones. They should suction back into place.

Eye surgery obviously can get you blind if the procedure goes wrong I know a lady blind in one eye because of it has ruined her life in so many aspects. Can you accept the risks? I personally wont do it the risk is higher than you think.

[Katman]

Contacts work fine, you should have your eye size checked and order new ones. They should suction back into place.

Eye surgery obviously can get you blind if the procedure goes wrong I know a lady blind in one eye because of it has ruined her life in so many aspects. Can you accept the risks? I personally wont do it the risk is higher than you think.

Shut up clown. The risks are miniscule.

[Ronin]

Shut up clown. The risks are miniscule.

Name calling again? That's a little one eyed isn't it?

[p.dath]

Contacts work fine, you should have your eye size checked and order new ones. They should suction back into place.

I have my eyes checked at least annually. My prescription has been static and non-changing for quite some time. My contacts are exactly the prescription they should be.
I have myopia, so the contact has to sit on a certain angle to work, and the bottom of the contact is weighted so the gravity assists the contact to sit on the specific angle that it needs to. Alas it is very easy to pull 0.2G on a motorcycle, and just as gravity makes the contact sit on the right angle, acceleration pulls it onto the wrong angle (which distorts my vision).


Eye surgery obviously can get you blind if the procedure goes wrong I know a lady blind in one eye because of it has ruined her life in so many aspects. Can you accept the risks? I personally wont do it the risk is higher than you think.

You are highly unlikely to be left blinded from laser eye surgery used to correct vision. Perhaps your friend was having a procedure for some other issue. There must have been significant complicating factors for that to happen.

I am happy with the risks (which are very low - hell they even offer a money back guarantee if they don't give you 20/20 vision!). It's parting with the cash I'm not so happy about.
I would want a good result after spending $3k on an eye. I don't want to do it, and find out that I can "walk" around fine, but while riding there is some other complication. Hence the question here.

[steve_t]

I'd say you'd be best to talk to an Optometrist or Opthamologist. I had the info sent to me by my optometrist a few years back. I think these days you can actually have it done without needing to cut the front of your eye. I remember there was something called "customeyes" which used 3D topographical mapping and a computer algorithm to control the laser.
As far as I'm aware, major issues a very rare, however a permanent haze was a risk I didn't feel like taking. Maybe when I'm older or blinder or more pissed off with having to live with contacts/glasses I'll take the step.

[Mully]

I had it done in 2005 - September.

Hand on heart; the single best investment I have ever made.

My eyes were -4.5 and -5. I had them zapped on the Friday morning (first appointment 0830h) and I was up watching the news at 1800h that night (they give you sleeping pills for that day.

The chances of an infection are tiny. Tinier than tiny these days (which is why they'll do both at once).

I would suggest doing both rather than one cos having one would drive me mental.

If you want any more info, please just ask.

[martybabe]

Good luck with it mate, I'm contemplating it myself. Do let us know how you get on.

There is a very good thread on here somewhere all about this very subject, have a search mate it's a good read.Can't for the life of me remember who wrote it. :scratch:

[Mully]

I'd say you'd be best to talk to an Optometrist or Opthamologist. I had the info sent to me by my optometrist a few years back. I think these days you can actually have it done without needing to cut the front of your eye. I remember there was something called "customeyes" which used 3D topographical mapping and a computer algorithm to control the laser.
As far as I'm aware, major issues a very rare, however a permanent haze was a risk I didn't feel like taking. Maybe when I'm older or blinder or more pissed off with having to live with contacts/glasses I'll take the step.

They used to use a blade to cut a flap off the front of the eye (quicker healing than the old way which was scraping the front of the eye)....

These days, they advertise "Blade-Free LASIK" which is they just use a laser to cut the flap instead of a blade. Apparently, it's more accurate.

I had minor "halo-ing" at night for a few months which I had to be careful of. And dry eyes for a few weeks. Other than that, it was all good.

[Katman]

I have myopia, so the contact has to sit on a certain angle to work, and the bottom of the contact is weighted so the gravity assists the contact to sit on the specific angle that it needs to.



That sounds like Astigmatism rather than Myopia.

Go along to the Eye Institute. From memory the consultation is free and they will give you far better information (including the risk involved) than you will recieve here.

The only thing that might be of interest to you in this thread are the opinions of the people who have actually had it done.

[ManDownUnder]

I had it done in 2005 - September.

Hand on heart; the single best investment I have ever made.

... etc ...

If you want any more info, please just ask.

Exactly what he said! I got mine done end of '99 and best thing I could have done. Would I do it again? IN A FUCKING HEARTBEAT!

Both eyes Myopic, one with astigmatism to boot. All fixed... and just AWESOME.

The only drawback was having to wait for 10 days till it rained (I wanted to know what it was like to walk int eh rain, be able to see and not get spots in front of my eyes... and we got the longest run of sunny days I think I've ever had... (well it seemed that way at the time).

[tri boy]

+1 with Mully and Katman.
Just make sure the clinic supplies you with sleep/pain meds, as 1 in 50 people can have a really rough first night after surgery. DAMHIK
Besides that, wakening up the first morning to excellent eyesight for the first time is a fantastic experience not to miss in ones life.

[Katman]

I am happy with the risks (which are very low - hell they even offer a money back guarantee if they don't give you 20/20 vision!).

I think you'll find you're incorrect on that one.

[Mully]

I think you'll find you're incorrect on that one.

IIRC, they offered to re-do mine if I didn't have at least 20/20.

BUt yeah, the consulation is free.

[Dean]

Shut up clown. The risks are miniscule.

Let me guess you learnt that in their brochures, they discreete the proccedures gone wrong listen for a change to the 'underbelly' side of things lasik doesent show you. There are people blind because of lasik eye surgeries, now can the money refund hide the fact your as blind as a bat for the rest of your life.

[Katman]

IIRC, they offered to re-do mine if I didn't have at least 20/20.

BUt yeah, the consulation is free.

Yes, they offer to re-do them for free, if needed, within the first 12 months - not give you your money back though.

[steve_t]

I didn't think we did 20/20 vision in NZ. My optometrist noted that my vision with my glasses on is better than 6/6 and is actually 6/5

[Scouse]

Let me guess you learnt that in their brochures, they discreete the proccedures gone wrong listen for a change to the 'underbelly' side of things lasik doesent show you. There are people blind because of lasik eye surgeries, now can the money refund hide the fact your as blind as a bat for the rest of your life.Like the man said to you before youngbiker16 if you haven't had the proceedure done to yourself then butt out as your opinion is just based on hearsay.

[Mully]

Let me guess you learnt that in their brochures, they discreete the proccedures gone wrong listen for a change to the 'underbelly' side of things lasik doesent show you. There are people blind because of lasik eye surgeries, now can the money refund hide the fact your as blind as a bat for the rest of your life.

Shhhhhhhhhhh Shhhhhhhhh. Please don't become another SkidMark.


I didn't think we did 20/20 vision in NZ. My optometrist noted that my vision with my glasses on is better than 6/6 and is actually 6/5

Potayto potahto.
My optometrists have always said 6/6 and the like, but the bloke with the Aston Martin said 20/20.

Either way, if you aren't at least 6/6 they will redo it for nowt.

[steve_t]

Who actually says potahto? :girlfight:LOL

[Katman]

This page has all the risk associated information you should need.

http://www.lasik1.com/LASIK_Risk_Complications.html

My complication was the one in No.8

[Mully]

My complication was the one in No.8

I had number five.

[Quasievil]

You can get new contacts that you only wear at night, take em out and you got 20/20 during the day, dependant how bad your site is you can get away with a few nights before putting them in again.
I was offered these the other day $1400 for the permanent set apparently

[Katman]

I had number five.

Would you believe they could still lift my corneal flap 14 months after the initial operation?

[Mully]

Would you believe they could still lift my corneal flap 14 months after the initial operation?

Ewww. I suspect that would be less than 1 in 5000 who get that bad.

[Katman]

Ewww. I suspect that would be less than 1 in 5000 who get that bad.

No actually - I think it's quite normal.

[p.dath]

That sounds like Astigmatism rather than Myopia.

Go along to the Eye Institute. From memory the consultation is free and they will give you far better information (including the risk involved) than you will recieve here.

The only thing that might be of interest to you in this thread are the opinions of the people who have actually had it done.

Oops, you are correct.

[Mully]

No actually - I think it's quite normal.

You had me at "corneal flap"

[p.dath]

I think you'll find you're incorrect on that one.

This is the promo:
http://www.aucklandeye.co.nz/index.asp?pageID=2145867478

20/20 vision, or its free.

[p.dath]

Let me guess you learnt that in their brochures, they discreete the proccedures gone wrong listen for a change to the 'underbelly' side of things lasik doesent show you. There are people blind because of lasik eye surgeries, now can the money refund hide the fact your as blind as a bat for the rest of your life.

I've spoken to my optomotrist several times as well. He has also said the risks are very low - and he stands to loose business if I do this.

[Katman]

This is the promo:
http://www.aucklandeye.co.nz/index.asp?pageID=2145867478

20/20 vision, or its free.

I stand corrected.

They must have gotten better at it since I had mine done.

:msn-wink:

[Mully]

This is the promo:
http://www.aucklandeye.co.nz/index.asp?pageID=2145867478

20/20 vision, or its free.

Well, look at that.

If you qualify of course.

[p.dath]

Well, look at that.

If you qualify of course.

Both of my eyes are -4, so I just qualify.

[Slyer]

Thankfully my eyes are still great, but if my eyesight does deteriorate I would not hesitate to spend the money. Definitely.

[Mully]

Both of my eyes are -4, so I just qualify.

Sweet. Mine were worse and they said they'd redo mine inside 12 months for nuttin.

Go for it.
Carpe Diem
Seize the fish.

[Katman]

I've spoken to my optomotrist several times as well. He has also said the risks are very low - and he stands to loose business if I do this.

And that is what convinced me that it was worth doing.

Every optometrist I've dealt with speaks very highly of the procedure and the benefits of having it done.

They wouldn't be doing themselves out of business if they didn't believe in what they were saying.

[Dean]

Shhhhhhhhhhh Shhhhhhhhh. Please don't become another SkidMark..
No matter what I type people will think im trolling and bring up youngbiker16, so if am a troll isnt that giving me bait? lol

Like the man said to you before youngbiker16 if you haven't had the proceedure done to yourself then butt out as your opinion is just based on hearsay.

Do you know people who are blind from lasik eye surgery, I do.
My current username is Dean, not youngbiker16.

[YellowDog]

I had mine done in 2004.

It was a truly liberating experience.

My eyesight is better than 20/20 (so I have been told).

There are number of procedures and it is important that you research it yourself. The sales person will sell what makes the most money (LASIK) and doesn't give a stuff about you and your eyes.

Having read the horror stories there was no way I was going to have a flap. I was playing a lot of racquet sports at the time and I didn't want a squishable weakness. The fact they say they can open it up again really did worry me. I guess the laser instead of a blade may be better, but was not for me.

I had EK and not IK. It was my choice and I had to fight for what I wanted. The actual surgeon whom had been recommended to me by 4 different people told me that the reason the sales people don't recommend EK is that there is more aftercare involved and hence it costs them more (same price to me). He also told me that people from the miltary and also sports people have EK over IK.

I had reasonable vision in 3 days and perfect vision after one week. They then removed the temporary healing cover and I stated again. Another week later my eyesight was perfect and still is.

The best procedure for you will depend upon your prescription.

I was 4.25/4.5. Like you I wore Toric lenses to cope with my aystigmatism and had issues with night light halos (Wavefront).

All sorted. Best money I ever spent.

DYOR

[gatch]

I've had hyperopia from birth, being too lazy to check myself I'd hazard a guess and say that lasik eye laser spatulation could probably fix this ?

If eye had 6k I'd definately pay up, reading fine increments on precision measuring tools is a fuckin nightmare..

[sAsLEX]

20/20 relates to 20 feet
the 6 measures relate to 6m

[pzkpfw]

I'll get it done when they can do this for me: http://carmanreunion.com/xray.htm


More seriously: I read once that night vision can be affected. Anyone notice this?

(Yes, I saw mention in this thread of a halo effect that went away, but not sure if this is the same thing; as the night vision effect I think I recall was supposed to be permanent.)

[CookMySock]

While you are at it, get them remounted closer together so you dont look so weird. haha...

Steve

[Mully]

I'll get it done when they can do this for me: http://carmanreunion.com/xray.htm


More seriously: I read once that night vision can be affected. Anyone notice this?

(Yes, I saw mention in this thread of a halo effect that went away, but not sure if this is the same thing; as the night vision effect I think I recall was supposed to be permanent.)

It was only temporary for me. IIRC, There was sort of a starburst things around lights for a few months. they only ever warned me it was temporary. That being said, you should certainly ask the question if you go for the consultation.

[Swoop]

This is the promo:
http://www.aucklandeye.co.nz/index.asp?pageID=2145867478

20/20 vision, or its free.
Had mine done at Auckland Eye.

Don't fuck about. GET THEM DONE! You will not regret it.
No more contacts or other hassles. Auck Eye have installed a shitload of new, fancier, gizmo's recently. Top class professionals.

The pre-op consultation is free. This verifies if you are suitable to be able to have the surgery.

[FROSTY]

Dude I had my eyes fixed back in the late 80's. Initially there were a few side effects. First was a sensitiveity to irritants--smoke,air freshener etc The secont was seeing pretty tings of color ound street lights at night. the third was an increased sensitiveity to bright sunlight. Every one of those things settled down in the first few months.

[imdying]

Nothing but net, totally recommended.

[Beemer]

What are they like for correcting astigmatism now? My optometrist doesn't seem that keen on the procedure, said it didn't always fix astigmatism and if you're over 40, the results aren't so long term. But although I don't mind wearing glasses, I do get fed up with having to put them on to see labels, read the paper, etc - no more reading in bed lying on my side either - the glasses get pushed out of shape!

[jim.cox]

and if you're over 40, the results aren't so long term.

As I understand it

It can correct some conditions as of today

But that it does not stop the eye continuing to change

And that it often can not be repeated

[p.dath]

Due to the overwhelming good reports, I have now booked in for my consultation.

Now its just a matter of if I can find enough cash to get both eyes done at the same time, or if I'll have to wait and get the other eye done in 12 months.

[ynot slow]

Do them both at same time,I know what it's like to have one contact lens split,have to chuck it away,and one eye with lens,other without makes vision strange,one eye stronger than other.

[Scouse]

My current username is Dean, not youngbiker16.Ok I will try to remember that for next time then youngbiker16.

[Swoop]

As I understand it

It can correct some conditions as of today

But that it does not stop the eye continuing to change

And that it often can not be repeated
Quite true. The eyes deteriorate after 50, but lasik corrrection brings your vision back to the normal standard expected. Repeated surgery depends on the individual and the thickness of the cornea.

[imdying]

As I understand it

It can correct some conditions as of today

But that it does not stop the eye continuing to change

And that it often can not be repeated
Yep, LASIK doesn't stop your eyes from getting older :no:

Of course, going from good working eyes to old tired eyes is better than going from next to useless eyes to totally useless eyes :)

[Beemer]

I may look into it then - even if I only had a few years without wearing glasses it would be great!

[peasea]

I may look into it then

Oh that's gold, faaaarkin' funny, almost fell off me chair!

[Pussy]

Oh that's gold, faaaarkin' funny, almost fell off me chair!

She might have meant "I'll get my golden lab to have a look, and let me know what he thinks" or something

[YellowDog]

What are they like for correcting astigmatism now? My optometrist doesn't seem that keen on the procedure, said it didn't always fix astigmatism and if you're over 40, the results aren't so long term. But although I don't mind wearing glasses, I do get fed up with having to put them on to see labels, read the paper, etc - no more reading in bed lying on my side either - the glasses get pushed out of shape!
Very funny post :rofl:

Your optomertrist will talk to you about Carder grafts to correct the certain failure and how you may be permanently blind. Like he wants to lose your lucrative business (not).

Both of my eyes were astigmatic. I had to wear Toric contact lenses and the prescription was a best guess scenario as the correct prescription wasn't doing it for me.

Having had the procedure done in 2004, I can say that it was a truly liberating experience.

One side effect only is that I am now slightly long sighter (+.75 & +1.0). This is better than the standard for my age.

[Thani-B]

Im interested in getting this done too. So let us know how it goes. My eyes are -3 I think. Dont mind wearing contacts and glasses for the time being though.

[Mully]

Im interested in getting this done too. So let us know how it goes. My eyes are -3 I think. Dont mind wearing contacts and glasses for the time being though.

Do it do it do it. At least go for the free appointment to see if you're suitable.

Problem solved.

[p.dath]

Im interested in getting this done too. So let us know how it goes. My eyes are -3 I think. Dont mind wearing contacts and glasses for the time being though.

I'm booked in for my consultation tomorrow (Thursday, 21/10/2009).

[Mully]

I'm booked in for my consultation tomorrow (Thursday, 21/10/2009).

Tomorrow is Thursday 22nd

:girlfight:

Dooooooo it!!!. And refer to it using the Dr Evil voice as "Laser" surgery (do the finger-quote-marks too)

[NOID]

I too have had th "Laser " (doctor Evil Voice in full swing) best money iv ever spent, i had to put off buying a bike to do it but never will regret it. I didnt have the flap cut as my eye was too thin (people in the know will understand)i had the halo effect thing for a couple of months after but it goes away, just wear sunnys at night and its gone !!! i had a week between getting each eye done recomended so after you get your second eye done your beginning to get full vision again in 1st eye.

[Thani-B]

Do it do it do it. At least go for the free appointment to see if you're suitable.

Problem solved.

Might do that, go for the consult to see if Im suitable, but Id rather have a new bike first at the moment I think, so would put off getting it done until after that.

[Mully]

Might do that, go for the consult to see if Im suitable, but Id rather have a new bike first at the moment I think, so would put off getting it done until after that.

What?? You wanna get rid of the GN?

That's Crazy Talk.

[Slyer]

Dooooooo it!!!. And refer to it using the Dr Evil voice as "Laser" surgery (do the finger-quote-marks too)
See if you can get it done by a shark with a laser beam attached to its head!

[Thani-B]

What?? You wanna get rid of the GN?

That's Crazy Talk.

I know! Perfect vision, or something other than a GN?!

I dont know what to choose!

[Morcs]

I get really squirmish at the thought of shit being done to my eyes whilst im concious.

My glasses cost me $400 and I only NEED to wear them for driving/riding, and whenever I want to. A lot cheaper than 5900... I think ill wait a few years eh.

[imdying]

A lot cheaper than 5900... I think ill wait a few years eh.It's getting more expensive every year.

[Rayray401]

Interesting to see this thread pop up. I dont mean to be a dick here, but my dad recently sent me an article from Taiwan on Lasik eye surgery(hes a doctor/surgeon). Basically the article said that there is a higher risk of your vision deteriorating in the long run (5 years, 10 years). This is because Lasik eye surgery is when they slice a layer of your iris(or something, just a layer) to fit with everythingelse. Now the thickness of an average persons iris(or something) is 700 to 800 um(mm x 10 to the power of 3), Lasik eye surgery slices off around 100 to 300um (depending how bad your sight is). The minimum thickness a person can have is 460um. However, short sight means when your eye ball changes shape, and shifts that layer. therefore, IF your get the surgery, and in the long run, the shape changes, then your vision will be even more fucked than before. I hope this all makes sense >< I can only say to really wait a few more years eh and then really consider it.

[p.dath]

I've already been waiting many years to do it - and I'm missing out on things while I'm waiting.

[Mully]

PLus they've been doing it for like 20 plus years.

Can we have the link please? I'm interested

[kiwifruit]

You can get new contacts that you only wear at night, take em out and you got 20/20 during the day, dependant how bad your site is you can get away with a few nights before putting them in again.
I was offered these the other day $1400 for the permanent set apparently

Sounds interesting. Where can i find out about these?

[Drunken Monkey]

Sounds interesting. Where can i find out about these?

Quasi is talking about Ortho-K. There's only a few optometrists around that do this.

[Dean]

Basically the article said that there is a higher risk of your vision deteriorating in the long run (5 years, 10 years). This is because Lasik eye surgery is when they slice a layer of your iris(or something, just a layer) to fit with everythingelse. Now the thickness of an average persons iris(or something) is 700 to 800 um(mm x 10 to the power of 3), Lasik eye surgery slices off around 100 to 300um (depending how bad your sight is). The minimum thickness a person can have is 460um. However, short sight means when your eye ball changes shape, and shifts that layer. therefore, IF your get the surgery, and in the long run, the shape changes, then your vision will be even more fucked than before.

Now would you look at that scouse, mully and p-dath not so "perfect" or infallible now is it, and there I was explaining you need to research up the "underbelly" of lasik eye surgery.

[Mully]

Now would you look at that scouse, mully and p-dath not so "perfect" or infallible now is it, and there I was explaining you need to research up the "underbelly" of lasik eye surgery.

Jesus Dean, you really don't listen do you?

Point one: I've just asked him for this "article" (presuming it's not scrawled on a paper towel with a crayon) so I can read up on it. Have you done any research on the issue, other than your "I know someone....." Here's some I've found for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LASIK#Potential_complications

Point two: I've known people who had this procedure done 15+ years ago, whose eyes are fine

Point three: The information (as posted by Rayray) is wrong. They don't "slice a layer of your iris(or something, just a layer) to fit with everythingelse" at all - they reshape the front of your eye (which is the cornea, BTW) with a laser to correct the focal point of light on your retina.

Point four: Prior to any surgery, the surgeon will tell you if your eyes are unsuitable - one of the reasons for this is unusual thinness to the bit they want to reshape. I was told they could have done it three or four times if they'd had to on my eyes. They also tell you (again, in advance) that you will probably need reading glasses when you get old.

Point five: They do this in ths USA. Do you honestly think if the information was correct, everyone in the States would have had their pants sued off and would therefore not do it anymore?

Point six: Katman had a pretty nasty complication - and he still recommends having it done

Honestly!!

[SARGE]

Eye surgery obviously can get you blind if the procedure goes wrong I know a lady blind in one eye because of it has ruined her life in so many aspects. Can you accept the risks? I personally wont do it the risk is higher than you think.

meh .. i only have one eye ( not SIGHT in one .. one EYE) .. its fucked up my life too .. i can only ride at 270 because of the depth perception.. i can only skydive 14 times a year and can only scuba to 60m

top it all off - i cant use binoculars or watch 3D movies ... waaaa waaaa waaa

[p.dath]

Now would you look at that scouse, mully and p-dath not so "perfect" or infallible now is it, and there I was explaining you need to research up the "underbelly" of lasik eye surgery.

It's pretty well known that you eyes can change over a 10 year period. This has nothing to do with the procedure, and it not a risk per-see. Your eyes are probably going to change anyway.

If just means you loose some of the benefit as you age. But I want the benefit of better eyes now, and I know I'll probably get that benefit for 10 years.

[Dean]

Jesus Dean, you really don't listen do you?

Honestly!!
Hmmmm the information you provided me seems legit props mully, Im going to an opt for my contacts tommorow so will ask him about this. I still think there is a few niggly details you havent covered.

meh .. i only have one eye ( not SIGHT in one .. one EYE) .. its fucked up my life too .. i can only ride at 270 because of the depth perception.. i can only skydive 14 times a year and can only scuba to 60m

top it all off - i cant use binoculars or watch 3D movies ... waaaa waaaa waaa
Yes but SARGE your way different to her, you can do anything and piss all over it (Im not sucking up) but she is a weak, emotionally unstable women! Cant get her licence apparently they dont allow people who can only operate one eye, cant pursue her career and all sorts.

It's pretty well known that you eyes can change over a 10 year period. This has nothing to do with the procedure, and it not a risk per-see. Your eyes are probably going to change anyway.

If just means you loose some of the benefit as you age. But I want the benefit of better eyes now, and I know I'll probably get that benefit for 10 years.
I see, goodluck with the proccedure fingers crossed they dont do anything wrong! Im fairly sure after the proccedure you cant go out into direct sunlight for a few days, they make you wear sunglasses inside.
Now who is the one putting the annoying tags "dean- the new skidmark" on like every thread I go on, its not even funny man.

[Mully]

Hmmmm the information you provided me seems legit props mully, Im going to an opt for my contacts tommorow so will ask him about this. I still think there is a few niggly details you havent covered.

You do that - and when you get information (proper information, not Chinese whispers heresay) post it here for everyone to read and decide for themselves.

Good boy.


Cant get her licence apparently they dont allow people who can only operate one eye, cant pursue her career and all sorts.

This is bollocks as well - you can get a private pilots licence with one eye. What career is she trying to pursue?


Im fairly sure after the proccedure you cant go out into direct sunlight for a few days, they make you wear sunglasses inside.

Again, they don't make you do anything. I was sensitive to bright light for a few weeks, but never inside, unless I was looking outside at bright sunlight. I had mine done Friday morning and was watching the news at 6pm with no issues. Next day I was out and about (for the follow-up appointment, etc) during the day with sunnies, but nothing spectacular (I would usually wear sunnies anyway)


Now who is the one putting the annoying tags "dean- the new skidmark" on like every thread I go on, its not even funny man.

Wrong again - it is funny. Very funny. Only you can change people's opinion of you, Deano.

[Dean]

[/QUOTE]This is bollocks as well - you can get a private pilots licence with one eye. What career is she trying to pursue?[/QUOTE]
:Police:


[/QUOTE]Again, they don't make you do anything.[/QUOTE]
Sorry I meant to say they dont "make" you do anything but they "advise" you to not go in direct sunlight as the healing process is delicate.

[/QUOTE]Wrong again - it is funny. Very funny. Only you can change people's opinion of you, Deano.[/QUOTE]

I cant change people's opinions, they do it to get me peed off no matter what I do or say. Just the way it is I guess, I wonder how many years it will take for people to forget about yb16.

[Mully]

:Police:

Funny, I thought the wanted one eyed cops.......

Heh


Sorry I meant to say they dont "make" you do anything but they "advise" you to not go in direct sunlight as the healing process is delicate.

Indeed. The short version is "If it hurts your eyes, stop doing it". I believe people heal (and can stand bright light) at different rates.


I cant change people's opinions, they do it to get me peed off no matter what I do or say. Just the way it is I guess, I wonder how many years it will take for people to forget about yb16.

People will bring YB16 up for ages - particularly (my favourites) the taking the shirt off to fight thing and the Korea invading the States (tick, tock Korea, times-a-wasting) thing - simply as a piss take.

No-one here is particularly malicious in any way, it's usually gentle ribbing.

If, however, you continue to engage your mouth before engaging your brain, then you will keep getting ripped on.

The trouble, Deany-Pants, is that you blunder into a thread with forehead-slappingly silly things to say. Try this: Imagine this is a real-life conversation (with grown-ups, not your actual friends). Would you blunder out saying the things you're typing. I hope not.

If you had come into this thread saying "I don't like the idea of LASIK - this is why... " and proceeded to make a good point ("I hate people playing near my eyes" is a valid one) or found information on the internet that supports your point. "I know a woman....." is NOT a good argument, regardless of whether you actually know her or not.

Justify my faith in you, Dean-a-rama. Act like a grown up, people will treat you like a grown up. You will have to accept that people will bring up YB16 - either ignore it or play along.

Good luck.

[p.dath]

Had my consultation with the Auckland Eye Clinic this morning. I'm a good candidate for Lasik with a very low risk factor.
They said I'm likely to need reading glasses in the next 10 years or so, but my general eye sight should remain fine.

I was very impressed with their kit!
Basically they took my prescription by simply having me look into a machine. It measured my eye, showed me one custom chart to verify its measurements were correct, and then spat out the numbers.
They then took me to another machine which mapped out my eyeballs. It produced pretty "maps" of each eye, showing the exact imperfections so they could verify what needs to be done.

I found out my astigmatism actually extends over and into my eye (you might say I have two astigmatisms).

They did say I should avoid the track for 4 weeks after the operation to insure the flap has strongly bonded back to the rest of the eye (otherwise the g-forces could potentially cause damage).
As I have an ART day on the 15th of November, I'll probably have procedure done after that.


So far the experience has been very positive.

[YellowDog]

Hmmmm the information you provided me seems legit props mully, Im going to an opt for my contacts tommorow so will ask him about this. I still think there is a few niggly details you havent covered.

Yes but SARGE your way different to her, you can do anything and piss all over it (Im not sucking up) but she is a weak, emotionally unstable women! Cant get her licence apparently they dont allow people who can only operate one eye, cant pursue her career and all sorts.

I see, goodluck with the proccedure fingers crossed they dont do anything wrong! Im fairly sure after the proccedure you cant go out into direct sunlight for a few days, they make you wear sunglasses inside.
Now who is the one putting the annoying tags "dean- the new skidmark" on like every thread I go on, its not even funny man.
Dean, you are hillarious and I don't think you mean to be.

Why don't you go into the Pie Shop and ask if you should switch to Burgers?

Same thing, but even with contact lenses I doubt you will be able to see it.

:rofl:

[bungbung]

I had LASIK about 10 years ago, this is the variety where a flap is cut and the laser cuts away underneath before the flap is dropped back on top.

The only side effect has been a slight haloing around lights at night.
I went from 3/6 to 12/6 vision, I was myopic (can't remember how much, -4?)

6 workmates have had the procedure. One man (60 ish) needed the procedure repeated but required corrective lenses 24 months later. The others have had a similar experience to me.

If you can afford it, and you are a suitable candidate and prepared to take the (small) risk then do it, sooner than later.

[YellowDog]

Had my consultation with the Auckland Eye Clinic this morning. I'm a good candidate for Lasik with a very low risk factor.
They said I'm likely to need reading glasses in the next 10 years or so, but my general eye sight should remain fine.

I was very impressed with their kit!
Basically they took my prescription by simply having me look into a machine. It measured my eye, showed me one custom chart to verify its measurements were correct, and then spat out the numbers.
They then took me to another machine which mapped out my eyeballs. It produced pretty "maps" of each eye, showing the exact imperfections so they could verify what needs to be done.

I found out my astigmatism actually extends over and into my eye (you might say I have two astigmatisms).

They did say I should avoid the track for 4 weeks after the operation to insure the flap has strongly bonded back to the rest of the eye (otherwise the g-forces could potentially cause damage).
As I have an ART day on the 15th of November, I'll probably have procedure done after that.


So far the experience has been very positive.
PD, that all sounds great.

Didn't they also hit your eye ball with a little hammer to measure the corneal thickness?

I loved all the fancy graphics and presentions but at the time I was playing a lot of sports.

The flap issue was a show stopper for me and hence I went for the EK rather than the IK procedure. Your eye is much stronger after an EK procedure, though there are some minor drawbacks.

[peasea]

PD, that all sounds great.

Didn't they also hit your eye ball with a little hammer to measure the corneal thickness?

I loved all the fancy graphics and presentions but at the time I was playing a lot of sports.

The flap issue was a show stopper for me and hence I went for the EK rather than the IK procedure. Your eye is much stronger after an EK procedure, though there are some minor drawbacks.

Like a foreskin? :lol::lol::lol:

[Thani-B]

Awww see now this is just making me want to get mine done even more :(

[p.dath]

...Didn't they also hit your eye ball with a little hammer to measure the corneal thickness?
...
The flap issue was a show stopper for me and hence I went for the EK rather than the IK procedure. Your eye is much stronger after an EK procedure, though there are some minor drawbacks.

With a hammer? You must be teasing. The mapping machine looked like it was using a laser to map my eye. All I could see was a red light that kept flashing off and on. Once it was done the mapping output produced a coloured chart showing the corneal thickness of the entire cornea (different colours representing different thicknesses), and a bunch of statistics showing the thinnest part of the cornea, thickest part, etc. On average my cornea was about 50 microns thicker than average, which was one of the reasons I was a good candidate for Lasik.

They also suggest I consider the older PRK method, as you say, because it does not involve cutting the cornea, and as a result will leave it stronger. They also told me the US airforce allows their pilots that pull 8G to have their eyes lasered using the same LASIK method they use - and if the flaps in their eyes can stand 8G I should be fine.

PRK has a longer recovery time. Although if you factor in the 4 weeks they recommend if I use LASIK it's not that much different ...


I asked them the percentage of people getting PRK, and they said almost zero. No one is electing to use it. Typically only those that can have LASIK done use PRK.

[imdying]

Im fairly sure after the proccedure you cant go out into direct sunlight for a few days, they make you wear sunglasses inside.In my case it was so effective that I was able to stop in at the dairy on the way home (someone else driving because of the 'happy' drugs they give you) and buy a V. I was riding my bike (visor down, foreign object damage is the biggest risk/concern) the next day. Literally 2 minutes after the op I could see 1000 times better, it was truly shocking.

/edit: Can't tell you what type I had done. Can tell you that it's the type where they cut the flap with a rotary tool and a cutting disc. Was superceded by using a laser to cut the flap method. They used some sort of 3D scanner to topographically map the thickness of my cornea.

[YellowDog]

I didn't have PRK.

PRK is old and primitive. It is also a bit hit and miss. I would not ever recommed that to anyone; however I do know of many whom were happy with the results.

When I had my eyes done in 2004, the two procedures available were LASIK and LASEK. Both use the same laser to correct your vision. With EK, rather than creating a flap to lift the surface to provide the laser with direct access to cornea, they remove the membrane with a blade. After the laser treatment, they then place a clear contact lens over it to allow it to heal whilst keeping it clean. It takes a couple of days longer to see again however the vision improves by the day. After a week when the surace has healed and started to regrow, they then remove the clear contact lens and you almost start again.

I had the EK procedure because it leaves you with a stronger eye and no flap that they claim to be able to reopen if required.

I understand that the newer proxcess where they use a laser rather than a blade is a lot better and less likely to weaked you eyeball. That's great. If you are happy with what you have seen and are happy with the answers to your concerns, then I am pleased for you and think you should get it done asap.

BTW: There is another procedure for people with really bad eyesight (>-8) where they insert a lens inserted inside the eye infront of the cornea. I certainly wouldn't have this done!

[Katman]

I remember when the Russians began the technique back in the mid 80's by slicing the cornea off completely, freezing it and then turning it down in a lathe - followed by stitching (yes, stitching) it back onto the eyeball.

Man, we've come a long way.

[SARGE]

Cant get her licence apparently they dont allow people who can only operate one eye, cant pursue her career and all sorts.


sorry Dean..they DO let people with one eye have a license ..i have mine and have since 1978.. got a class A heavy truck license in the US AFTER i lost it too

[Dean]

sorry Dean..they DO let people with one eye have a license ..i have mine and have since 1978.. got a class A heavy truck license in the US AFTER i lost it too

If you dont mind me asking SARGE how does a person who can operate one eye attain a licence? Things like blindspots and checking mirrors? Pretty awesome that you got the truck licence.

[Mully]

If you dont mind me asking SARGE how does a person who can operate one eye attain a licence? Things like blindspots and checking mirrors? Pretty awesome that you got the truck licence.

Dean - what was the discussion we had about you doing research?

http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/factsheets/70.html


Note: the agents' eyesight screening machines eliminate the need for many drivers to be tested by an optometrist or medical practitioner. However, if you don't pass the screening check, then you must provide one of the certificates listed before your application can proceed. Some drivers choose to supply a certificate instead of taking a screening check. If you have vision in only one eye, you must present an eye certificate from a doctor or optometrist.

That's for truck licences. I've already told you that you can get a private pilot's licence with only one eye.

Apart from some very specific jobs (which would probably include the Police, which we have covered), I would suspect precluding someone on the basis of having one eye would be considered discriminatory, and therefore illegal.

[SARGE]

If you dont mind me asking SARGE how does a person who can operate one eye attain a licence? Things like blindspots and checking mirrors? Pretty awesome that you got the truck licence.

i had my mojo workin Dean .. :tugger:

[Mikkel]

Crikey SARGE - you should move down here... not enough one-eyed cantabreans to go by as it is.

As for the LASIK - one of my mates had it done not too long ago and he is very happy with it. He had the operation done, went home and was back at work the next day - no problems.
Yes, you do hear the odd horror story - but if you are riding a bike already, I think you can ignore those...

p.s. Youngbiker16 - please STFU!

[SARGE]

Apart from some very specific jobs (which would probably include the Police, which we have covered), I would suspect precluding someone on the basis of having one eye would be considered discriminatory, and therefore illegal.

im actually a better shot with my left eye than i was with my right..


i dont wear contacts because i cant see sticking a finger in my good eye and as far as shooting a laser into it ??...


fageddaboutit

[p.dath]

For those interested, I've just had my eyes lasered. I've written a blog entry about it:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/blog.php?b=1211

[Mully]

Huzzah.

Good times, huh?

EDIT: I'd forgotten about the burning smell.

[Thani-B]

Good write up. And jealous. Oh well, its on my list anyway. My fault for just buying a new bike. I dont mind glasses or contacts much though.

[p.dath]

One physcoholigcal change. Now that I don't have to wear contacts or glasses, it feels more "natural", like I never should have worn them or something.

It feels like an old chapter of my life as now finished. Bigger and better new things to come.

[steel001]

Had mine done in Thailand about 3 years ago, was some of the best money i have ever spent I reckon. Doctors trained in the US, they have better equipment than they do here and it's about half the price :)

Forgot about that burning smell too lol not the nicest

[Katman]

It feels like an old chapter of my life as now finished. Bigger and better new things to come.

Don't go getting too excited.

Life returns to normal.

[p.dath]

For those interested, I've updated my blog with my progress following the surgey:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/blog.php?b=1211

Basically left eye perfect, right eye is going to involve waiting a bit longer to see if it becomes perfect, or needs another zap.

[YellowDog]

They should be able to tell you if there is any scar tissue yet to clear up or what the problem is.

Good luck.

[p.dath]

They should be able to tell you if there is any scar tissue yet to clear up or what the problem is.

Good luck.

That's basically it. My left eye is pretty much 100% healed. My right eye hasn't finished, and has created a dry zone. So most likely I just need to wait.

They are getting me to use a lot more [dry eye] drops as well till the next check up.

[YellowDog]

OK - That as another reason I went for EK and not IK.

No dry spots with EK as it is all new tissue.

Some dry spots don't clear up, others do.

Your age is in your favour.

[candor]

Best thing I did. Never knew i couldn't see how others did till they bought in licence eye tests, it was a bit hazy. Got glasses - wow crystal clear but painful especially with jumpy upping dog.

Got the surgery. Horribly nervous but well drugged up. Feel a bit fragile a week or two. One eye perfect but the other got slightly dbl vision as they had not taken the right slice depth. Had to go again to get it done again on that eye. It was free as they aim to get it right.

My clear vision was uplifting for several weeks - seeing details of leaves on trees a park length away etc. Faces being clearer. Well worth it. Low risk, high gain. I figure that the low risk of probs is unlikely to come in for both eyes. I was told if on budget just getting one eye done makes aworld of difference as it informs your brain of the truth and compensates for the remaining dud. If fearful get one done at a time (cheaper and pretty good).
In my consult they warned that surf=ery not poss for everyone - some just have corneas that aren't fat enough to start with so cannot do it. It took a few days before they gave me the newsmine were fine for an op.

[heyjoe]

For those interested, I've updated my blog with my progress following the surgey:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/blog.php?b=1211

Basically left eye perfect, right eye is going to involve waiting a bit longer to see if it becomes perfect, or needs another zap.

p.dath,
Just wondering how its all going? Is the (right) dry eye cleared up and your general thoughts to date. I assume you have been out on the bike since then. Any probs with this?

[p.dath]

p.dath,
Just wondering how its all going? Is the (right) dry eye cleared up and your general thoughts to date. I assume you have been out on the bike since then. Any probs with this?

I'm still pleased I have done it.

I think the dry eye symptoms have more or less cleared up, in that I don't really feel the need to use the eye drops three times a day. However the vision in my right eye has not noticably improved. My next appointment is at the end of the month. Before I started my right eye was -4. After the operation it was -1. I think it might be -0.9 in the next test.

Motorcycle riding is much better without contacts or glasses, and I vastly prefer it.

Playing squash has been interesting, and I have kinda stopped for the moment. Since the surgery I have started completely missing the ball a lot when I swing. Never had that problem previously. I now do it so much that those used to watching me play are commenting on it and wondering what is wrong. I loose a lot of games against people that previsouly I considered my equal.
So I suspect my depth perception for rapidly moving objects is affected, and that I need to re-learn how to track fast small moving objects. Don't know how this translates to motorcycle riding.
I probably just need to spend a lot of hours on the court. However knowing that my right eye is not correct, and that potentially it may need further surgery, I'm not inclinded to do this, in case I have to go through another re-learning experience.

So I'm feeling a little ho-hum, but as I said, overall, I would do it again. I would also recommend to others to do it.

[heyjoe]

Thanks for the reply update. I find your detailed comments informative and helpful. It has given me food for thought on going and checking out whether I am suitable for this surgery or not. The Fendalton Eye clinic in Christchurch has a similar sounding set-up to what you described in your blog.

[p.dath]

I just had my next follow up appointment. My right eye is now only half as bad as it was at the last appointment, and the dry eye strip I was experiencing in my right eye is now considerably smaller (don't need to use lubricating drops for it any more now).

I've got another follow up appointment in two months, and by then they think it will probably have finished healing and I'll have 20/20 vision.

[The Lone Rider]

Hey there, I posted up a thread about a year ago on the same thing. Maybe it'll have some useful info for you

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/88055-Lasik-surgery?p=1848819#post1848819