Serious Advice Needed

[justsomeguy]

Hi guys,

I qualify for a restricted under the CBTA thingey, and I'm confident I'll pass it and gain my restricted.

Is there anyway I'll be able to ride a 400 on my restricted??

Exemptions/legal loopholes, etc.

I would also want to fully insure and ride the bike legally.

I've found this perfect bike, from a genuine owner........ but since I've recently turned 23 and I got my learners at the end of this Jan, it looks like I can only get my full at the end of the year.

Any genuine advice would be seriously appreciated.

and hold the you are too inexperienced rants...... i have no problems with self-control.

[Sniper]

Well Im not too sure on the 400, it is a breach of license but why not get it and hold onto it until your full?

[justsomeguy]

Well Im not too sure on the 400, it is a breach of license but why not get it and hold onto it until your full?

You mean have the bike sitting in my garage for another 9 months.....

Don't think I can afford to do that.

If I buy that bike I'll sell my ZZR and ride only that...... otherwise it would be too tempting/inconvenient.

[Sniper]

Very true, I would be in your shoes too

[bugjuice]

nope. Law states you can't ride anything bigger than a 250cc motorbike until you have gained your full lisence. Unless you can come up with a bloody good excuse (personally don't know any), then you're outta luck I'm afraid. With your restricted, the only change from 'Learners' is you can now do upto 100kph and not having to display your L plate. Everything else (no pillion, no riding between the hours (can't remember what they are), and no bike above 250cc (is there one more?)) still applies.

Could always buy it and just save it until you pass your full, or go 'under ground' and just ride it and pray you don't get stopped, but I wouldn't recommend that really.

If you're looking for something a bit more daring than the ZZR, then why don't you look at a sports 250, like a CBR or RGV250 etc..

[justsomeguy]

Could always buy it and just save it until you pass your full, or go 'under ground' and just ride it and pray you don't get stopped, but I wouldn't recommend that really.

If you're looking for something a bit more daring than the ZZR, then why don't you look at a sports 250, like a CBR or RGV250 etc..

I don't mind the riding underground part. It's the not being able to insure it part that has me worried.

And I can get a beautiful 400 for the price of an OK 250...... so.......and after my limited experience with a 400, I don;t think I want another 250...... I want a bigger learning curve.

[justsomeguy]

If it was a question of a few months I'd buy it NOW!!

But I have to wait 3 weeks to sit the restricted. And then HOLD THE RESTRICTED for ANOTHER 9 MONTHS. Then sit the rest of the CBTA thingey to get the full.

So that makes it a total of 9 months of having the bike sitting there...

The only reason I'm so worked up is that this bike is perfect...

......P-E-R-F-E-C-T........

:confused:

[bugjuice]

I don't mind the riding underground part. It's the not being able to insure it part that has me worried.

And I can get a beautiful 400 for the price of an OK 250...... so.......and after my limited experience with a 400, I don;t think I want another 250...... I want a bigger learning curve.
if you get pulled, insurance isn't your worry. If you crash it, repairs to most 400s are *fairly* cheap. What you hit, well who knows, and why. If you're prepared to go against your restrictions of lisence, then to hell with any other cost really.. You said it yourself, you won't get insured, simple as that.

and 400s will always be around too, it's not the only one around, so when you have your full, then go find another 400, there'll be plenty around. Sports 250s will feel more powerful than your ZZR too, so it might be a solution for you until you get your full.

[scumdog]

I'm sure some dodgy bugger on this site could make you some pretty convinving "250" stickers? :whistle:

[Riff Raff]

If it was a question of a few months I'd buy it NOW!!

But I have to wait 3 weeks to sit the restricted. And then HOLD THE RESTRICTED for ANOTHER 9 MONTHS. Then sit the rest of the CBTA thingey to get the full.
And if you are caught the whole CBTA thingy is out the window and you have even longer to wait before you get your full. Is it really worth it. 9 months isn't that long in the scheme of things. Patience grasshopper and all that crap. Insurance won't pay out either if you are riding outside of your licence restrictions. The choice is yours whether you think it's worth the risk.

[Eyetie]

I have seen from other posts on the site where people have got exemptions based on that they are uncomortable on a 250cc due to there size/height, so JSG you need to bulk up and then apply, apart from that not aware of any other cause for an exemption.

[justsomeguy]

I'm sure some dodgy bugger on this site could make you some pretty convinving "250" stickers? :whistle:

yES OLD FELLA......

But don't you smart asses look at the rego stickers??:msn-wink:

The ONLY thing I'm scared of is hitting an expensive cage.....

No insurance, in breach of license, big bills, big headaches......

If there is someway I can get insurance sorted..... I'll be fine....

[Jonty]

I had a similar problem a few months ago when i wanted to buy a mint VFR800 with 8 months to my full. Unfortunately, unless you can come up with a medical excuse or another very good excuse you will be stuck with a 250. The one good thing is if you really want the bike, insurance will sometimes cover it if you are not riding it. I was quoted about $500 per year to store the 800 in a locked garage until my full (fire theft etc).

could be an option for you.

[pyrocam]

There IS one way I know.
only if your a heavy fulla.

what you do is goto colemans and find the shittiest smallest bike maybe a 125 or something. get a photo of you one the bike showing that because of your size it would be impractical for you to do so. (this might also work if your particulaly tall or somat) make sure your leg covers the 125cc part and make it out to be a 250 (dont lie, just bend truth a wee bit)

then show a picture of you on a 400 showing that its much safer for you and other motorists

send it off to LTSA and get an exemption

or something like that

[Skunk]

Unless you're a rich guy I'd say the risks are too high and sit out the time. There'll be another 400 (maybe a 600 - wish I'd gone straight to a 600 instead of getting the 400 I did...)

[justsomeguy]

Unless you're a rich guy I'd say the risks are too high and sit out the time. There'll be another 400 (maybe a 600 - wish I'd gone straight to a 600 instead of getting the 400 I did...)

Yup looks like I will be sitting this one out.

I'll need to save up to be called poor......

And having all that money just sitting there for 9+ months just does not add up. And I do not even have that much space......

The chap wants to sell the bike asap and he already has another offer.

So if I wait for the govt. cocks to decide the bike will be gone. And I don't think I'll pass as I'm only 5"10 and about 75kgs.........

[flyin]

and 400s will always be around too, it's not the only one around, so when you have your full, then go find another 400, there'll be plenty around. Sports 250s will feel more powerful than your ZZR too .

I agree with BJ that there will always be good 400's around, and cheap compared to OK 250's, be patient, in 9 months you will be able to buy a newer bike for the same price!?! :msn-wink:

Quit talking down the mighty 'ZZR's please guys!! the fact that they are 2cyl means they are a great bike for riding through traffic as they pull from idle, and they have plenty of pull through to 170!!!
weighing in at 138kg they are one of the lighter 250's (around 5kg can then be saved by fitting a 2-1 pipe), relusting in a whole lot of fun in the twisties! although I've yet to test my skills against another 250 (yes zxr250 skinned me on Takas, I'd only been riding for 3 weeks then.. :confused: .) I have not had any issues keeping up with bigger bikes on the rides I have attended. so I dont feel any need for more power till I can get my knee donw on ANY corner I WANT to get some sparks from!!
ZZR's with a little incouragment will easily, wheelie and stoppie (with and without pillion), and scrape the pegs (or pipe ) before any unplesant charecteristics show!!

That said I do like the idea of trying a few different 250's so I know what to look for when I start test riding bigger bikes. just the pillion doesn't like the idea of being perched way above me on the back of something RR

[ManDownUnder]

patience is what I'd advocate... patience.

9 months ain't that long and if you did buy it and insure it and... well it means that insurance would be a waste of money (so don't bother), your licence would be on the line, etc etc

Riff Raff said it best... patience. The deal of a lifetime comes along once a week. It's true of houses, and it's true of bikes.

My suggestion is to keep saving for 9 more months. It minimises the amount of interest you pay if you need to borrow any. You also have the time to look aroundand get a good deal closer to the time.

If there is no other urgency to upgrade your bike (other than you want THIS ONE - NOW) I'd seriously suggest biding your time, keeping an eye open, and jump on that bargainwhen you see it come along, and you can afford it (legally and financially).

MDU

[slob]

Patience and work on your corner speed! Imagine you're on a wee GP125 against a bunch of SuperBikes and work up towards taking them on from the outside! There's heaps to be learned from the ZZR yet!

[bugjuice]

dude, you're answering your own question time over, and everyone else is telling you more.
Think you know what's what, ay...?

[justsomeguy]

dude, you're answering your own question time over, and everyone else is telling you more.
Think you know what's what, ay...?

Yup.

You see I had completely forgotten the difference in rules for under 25's under the CBTA system. I thought I could get my license instantly. But now after talking to the person at Passrite. It looks like Feb 06 is the earliest I can get my full.

I decided to post here to see if there was some loop hole........

[Wolf]

When I took my dream bike for a test ride it was over $10K (for a second hand BMW R100CS) A few months ago I saw one for $8500 in primo order - I dare say when I have a few grand "spare" there will be the bike I want at a better price than I expect to pay...

[justsomeguy]

Hell yeah.........

Frosty recommended I start racing in the 150 class with my :sleep: R...... I know I'll probably be lapped instantly but hey I can't think of anything more fun!!!!!!!

But this bike is soooo nice........ hehehe

Hey in 9 months I'll probably be good enough to ride a 600.......blah blah...:whistle:

[sAsLEX]

yES OLD FELLA......

But don't you smart asses look at the rego stickers??:msn-wink:



well they could look all day at mine as it does not mention anywhere what size my VFR250 is!!! Plus the fact the fairings are mainly not there means they cant even look there!! its on the block but you got get on your hands and knees and peer up in under stuff to see it,

And if you dont ride like a plonk, and treat the cop with respect, you most likely to be let on your way with your ticket for speeding(or whatever random breath check bla bla) and not much else!?

[justsomeguy]

And if you dont ride like a plonk, and treat the cop with respect, you most likely to be let on your way with your ticket for speeding(or whatever random breath check bla bla) and not much else!?

It's not the bloody plonks that worry me. I've only been pulled up thrice in my 6 years on the road. And all three times were due to my stupidity. I've only been penalised once. 63 in a 50 zone.

I don't think the plods will be an issue.

IT'S ONLY NOT BEING INSURED that is a worry. I had to pay some old bitch 2000 to repair a 2500 car which was :angry2: , my fault alright but still $2000 .....

Imagine if I hit some new holden or something......

[John]

Bah, you will have a bloody hard time insuring it.

Just wait - I was going to do that also but realised how silly it was, lucky to because I ended up writing my ZZR off, just wait I'm sure the late model zxr's will get alot cheaper in comming years.

[justsomeguy]

Bah, you will have a bloody hard time insuring it.

Just wait - I was going to do that also but realised how silly it was, lucky to because I ended up writing my ZZR off, just wait I'm sure the late model zxr's will get alot cheaper in comming years.

The only reason I wanted a 400 now is cos I believe it's time to start learning how to ride one and that I have less of a problem on the straights while on KB rides.

In a year all will change, lets see.

But I think I will take frosty's advice and see what I can do as far as tracks are concerned.

[justsomeguy]

Thanks for all the advice guys n' gals. I really appreciate you'll giving me your share of wisdom from your real life experience.

It makes things a lot clearer in my mind and does a great job of debriefing my supercharged brain.

THANKS!!!!

:2thumbsup

[Motoracer]

Honestly tho man, If I was you, i'd get rid of the slow ZZR and get another 250cc bike. Get a CBR/FZR/GSXR 250 and trust me you'll learn more on one than you will on the ZZR and you'll go much quicker too.

If you reckon. "no, I want more speed", then the next easy answer is a 2 stroke 250 cc.

In all honesty, a 400cc sports bike is not a HELL of a lot quicker than 250cc sports bike of a similar discription for the road (not the track). If you are talking 250cc 2 stroke vs a 4 stroke 400cc sports bike, then they should be about the same.

My 2 cnts worth.

[justsomeguy]

Honestly tho man, If I was you, i'd get rid of the slow ZZR and get another 250cc bike. Get a CBR/FZR/GSXR 250 and trust me you'll learn more on one than you will on the ZZR and you'll go much quicker too.

If you reckon. "no, I want more speed", then the next easy answer is a 2 stroke 250 cc.

In all honesty, a 400cc sports bike is not a HELL of a lot quicker than 250cc sports bike of a similar discription for the road (not the track).

My 2 cnts worth.

You reckon I (with all the KB help:ride: ) could look after a decent 2 stroke??
If so I'll start looking ASAP:2thumbsup

It's just that I've heard nothing but bad news about the things......

What do you feel?? Would you buy one if you were me??
Why?? or Why not??

By the way I would also want to go on as many track outings as I could.

[bugjuice]

Bah, you will have a bloody hard time insuring it.
no, there's no question about it - insuring someone outside of their lisence restrictions just will not happen. Hate to be a party pooper..

JSG, you were saying something about working on corners etc. For God sake, do that! Before you look for more power, get confident with corners, stopping, judgement etc etc etc etc.. else you'll just be a statistic, and no one wants that. If you're eager for a bit more, get another 250. Try an RGV250, they're stupidly torquey for a 250, that'll keep you on your toes while you wait. Dare I say, they'll run a 400 for it's money, easy. So just watch yourself

[John]

no, there's no question about it - insuring someone outside of their lisence restrictions just will not happen. Hate to be a party pooper..


Their are possible ways around it, i.e insuring it under a fully licenced biker and putting down JSG as a rider. It works - but if the insurance company decides to get cheeky they just may do so, and the person its insured under gets the shit claims...

Its an idea that works sometimes but I dont recommend it remeber nothing is ever impossible in a world where such countries as america are ruled by complete nutless fucktarded faggots that lick their own ball sacks so hard.

BTW BJ (lol) hows that induction howl on your bike? :ride:

[justsomeguy]

no, there's no question about it - insuring someone outside of their lisence restrictions just will not happen. Hate to be a party pooper..

JSG, you were saying something about working on corners etc. For God sake, do that! Before you look for more power, get confident with corners, stopping, judgement etc etc etc etc.. else you'll just be a statistic, and no one wants that. If you're eager for a bit more, get another 250. Try an RGV250, they're stupidly torquey for a 250, that'll keep you on your toes while you wait. Dare I say, they'll run a 400 for it's money, easy. So just watch yourself

OK WHO GOT A MINT RGV250 FOR SALE???

[Motoracer]

You reckon I (with all the KB help:ride: ) could look after a decent 2 stroke??
If so I'll start looking ASAP:2thumbsup

It's just that I've heard nothing but bad news about the things......

What do you feel?? Would you buy one if you were me??
Why?? or Why not??

By the way I would also want to go on as many track outings as I could.

The risks are there just like with any other second hand bike. They may sound like high maintainance and that could be true if you end up with a lemon but most 2 strokes are fine eh. Specially when you have to work on em, at least it's less complicated than a 4 stroke.

If you look after your bike by feeding her with top quality 2 stroke oil and keep an eye out for the running temp and do change the rings and pistions (if need be) every 10,000 ks, then you'll be sweet! :niceone:

I'd even go as far to say that buying a second hand 2 stroke is a safer bet than it's 4 stroke counter part.

[justsomeguy]

The risks are there just like with any other second hand bike. They may sound like high maintainance and that could be true if you end up with a lemon but most 2 strokes are fine eh. Specially when you have to work on em, at least it's less complicated than a 4 stroke.

If you look after your bike by feeding her with top quality 2 stroke oil and keep an eye out for the running temp and do change the rings and pistions (if need be) every 10,000 ks, then you'll be sweet! :niceone:

I'd even go as far to say that buying a second hand 2 stroke is a safer bet than it's 4 stroke counter part.

Thanks for helping me make my mind up Sudeep. By the way when's the next race day?? You need some pit crew again??

[bugjuice]

Their are possible ways around it, i.e insuring it under a fully licenced biker and putting down JSG as a rider. It works - but if the insurance company decides to get cheeky they just may do so, and the person its insured under gets the shit claims...

Its an idea that works sometimes but I dont recommend it remeber nothing is ever impossible in a world where such countries as america are ruled by complete nutless fucktarded faggots that lick their own ball sacks so hard.
k, don't know about that last bit there (some old grudges coming up?), but for the first bit, nope. If you insure under someone else's name, details etc, the fact remains that your lisence is restricting you from riding that bike. As soon as you start the bike, the insurance is nill and void. No insurer in the world will bend the rules like that! Read the tiny print. They wouldn't even agree to put that insurance cover together, let alone try and claim off it. sorry..


BTW BJ (lol) hows that induction howl on your bike? :ride:
why laugh? or is that the bj bit? The RAM air fukin rocks mate. Sucks it up and changes the noises. That's when you wake the beast

[Motoracer]

Thanks for helping me make my mind up Sudeep. By the way when's the next race day?? You need some pit crew again??

No worries man!

Next race will be at Manfield this Saturday. Leaving Friday afternoon for a 6 hr Drive down to Palmy. Always need pit help man but only if it is covenient to you.

[justsomeguy]

No worries man!

Next race will be at Manfield this Saturday. Leaving Friday afternoon for a 6 hr Drive down to Palmy. Always need pit help man but only if it is covenient to you.

I should be fine with it. Provided it doesn't cost too much..... anyway, to me this is all a learning experience. And you can never learn too much.

[John]

k, don't know about that last bit there (some old grudges coming up?), but for the first bit, nope. If you insure under someone else's name, details etc, the fact remains that your lisence is restricting you from riding that bike. As soon as you start the bike, the insurance is nill and void. No insurer in the world will bend the rules like that! Read the tiny print. They wouldn't even agree to put that insurance cover together, let alone try and claim off it. sorry..

Oh ok - I dont know a hell of alot all I know is that my (step)brother got away with doing it this way, was insured under his father and he was a registered rider and he was riding it outside the conditions of the licence and he got away with it (full payout!). Although that may have just being a loophole that was found at that time was a couple of years ago.



why laugh? or is that the bj bit? The RAM air fukin rocks mate. Sucks it up and changes the noises. That's when you wake the beast


Mint, I love that sound so much its just so dreamy (the laugh was the BJ bit didnt actually realise till then)

[justsomeguy]

Oh ok - I dont know a hell of alot all I know is that my (step)brother got away with doing it this way, was insured under his father and he was a registered rider and he was riding it outside the conditions of the licence and he got away with it (full payout!). Although that may have just being a loophole that was found at that time was a couple of years ago.


Yes it must have been a loop hole. There is no easy way I could insure the bike. It's a bloody nuisance with the National Auto Club with my ZZR as it is.

There's a reason insurance companies have the biggest buildings in every city. They always take your money but very rarely pay any out.

[Motoracer]

I should be fine with it. Provided it doesn't cost too much..... anyway, to me this is all a learning experience. And you can never learn too much.

No worries bro, I think I owe you about $50 bucks from last time anyway. Will let you know the ETD when I have a plan sorted.

[bugjuice]

Oh ok - I dont know a hell of alot all I know is that my (step)brother got away with doing it this way, was insured under his father and he was a registered rider and he was riding it outside the conditions of the licence and he got away with it (full payout!). Although that may have just being a loophole that was found at that time was a couple of years ago.
well that's bloody lucky.. If you spin the tables, and you were the the dude handing out insurance against conditions, you think it'd last long..? No point enforcing conditions if no one cares about them. Like you say, was a couple of years ago, so may be things have changed since..



Mint, I love that sound so much its just so dreamy (the laugh was the BJ bit didnt actually realise till then)
ahhh.. yeah, i knew about the short version before i asked, but i have no problems with it :niceone:
as for the roar, it's a throaty kinda roar. Makes you know what's about to happen, put it that way!

[justsomeguy]

No worries bro, I think I owe you about $50 bucks from last time anyway. Will let you know the ETD when I have a plan sorted.

Naah I think with accomodation costs, etc we are pretty even.

Nothing owed as far as I'm concerned.

Thing is I work 9-5ish. Could probably leave earlier or something. Lets see how Thursday goes..........

[sAsLEX]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=8566&page=1&pp=15

[roo]

If you look after your bike by feeding her with top quality 2 stroke oil and keep an eye out for the running temp and do change the rings and pistions (if need be) every 10,000 ks, then you'll be sweet! :niceone:


I loved my rgv250 to bits (heh pun not intended but rather apt...)
Though I did make one modification (post-big-badda-boom) to ensure future good behaviour from my less-trusty steed. (oil pump failure resulting in a long walk home)

[1] Take 7-8 bottles of beer
[2] Take 1 baseball bat.
[3] Drink beer
[4] Take required screwdrivers, spanners & sockets to remove oil pump.
[5] Drink beer
[6] Gently toss said oil pump in the air.
[7] Swing baseball bat through the air making the necessary calculations & speed/trajectory adjustments to result in an intersection of the bat's arc with the pump's path.
[8] Drink beer
[9] Pick up pump off the ground
[10] Repeat 5-8 until resounding CRACK! is heard.
[11] Laugh drunkenly and foolishly as the pump dwindles to a speck and sails happily though a neighbour's glasshouse.
[12] Hide from angry neighbour who turns out to be a big pissed off croatian.
[13] Always mix your oil and petrol by hand from then on.

:2thumbsup:

[justsomeguy]

I loved my rgv250 to bits (heh pun not intended but rather apt...)
Though I did make one modification (post-big-badda-boom) to ensure future good behaviour from my less-trusty steed. (oil pump failure resulting in a long walk home)

[1] Take 7-8 bottles of beer
[2] Take 1 baseball bat.
[3] Drink beer
[4] Take required screwdrivers, spanners & sockets to remove oil pump.
[5] Drink beer
[6] Gently toss said oil pump in the air.
[7] Swing baseball bat through the air making the necessary calculations & speed/trajectory adjustments to result in an intersection of the bat's arc with the pump's path.
[8] Drink beer
[9] Pick up pump off the ground
[10] Repeat 5-8 until resounding CRACK! is heard.
[11] Laugh drunkenly and foolishly as the pump dwindles to a speck and sails happily though a neighbour's glasshouse.
[12] Hide from angry neighbour who turns out to be a big pissed off croatian.
[13] Always mix your oil and petrol by hand from then on.

:2thumbsup:

Okkkkk

Now try that again using small words and simpler english...... with a more educational tone:niceone:

[roo]

Okkkkk

Now try that again using small words and simpler english...... with a more educational tone:niceone:

Uhmmm... o..k...

An oil pump failure whilst caning my baby through the manawatu gorge left my rings thoroughly welded into the pistons with nothing happening when I twisted the 'go-faster-hoojie-wotsit' on the right handgrip...
I suddenly was stranded somewhere between 'the corner of east bumfuck' and 'you-shore-got-a purty-mouth-boy'. A long walk and the kindness of a stranger with a trailer gave me time to think about how to avoid this in future...
*insert bright light and revelation with angels singing 'tada!'*...

Just mix the goddamn oil into the petrol yourself like they used to way back in the days when men were men and machines knew their places...

Ok course you dont have to pull the oil pump out and hit it with a handy object, (in fact from hindsight I suggest not doing this) but it sure makes you feel better.

[justsomeguy]

Thanks for the info roo........

So if I understand things correctly.

Find a decent 2-stroke with low k's. Treat it to regular oil changes and make sure that the oil to fuel ratio is correct......... and I will have big smiles and trouble free riding??

Or am I missing something??

[justsomeguy]

Ok course you dont have to pull the oil pump out and hit it with a handy object, (in fact from hindsight I suggest not doing this) but it sure makes you feel better.

This particular technique is usually used in IT a lot. The scientific term is "percussive maintenance".

[John]

Thanks for the info roo........

So if I understand things correctly.

Find a decent 2-stroke with low k's. Treat it to regular oil changes and make sure that the oil to fuel ratio is correct......... and I will have big smiles and trouble free riding??

Or am I missing something??
Lots of wheelies. :lol:

[justsomeguy]

Lots of wheelies. :lol:

Still don't know how to do them........ must learn to ride better........


Naaaah take the easy way out........ and get a faster bike ...:stupid:

Gaaaahhhhhh

The only reason I wanted the other bike is cos it seemed soooo mint and soooo worth the asking price......... but that's that for now.

[roo]

This particular technique is usually used in IT a lot. The scientific term is "percussive maintenance".

Indeed. The 'fixing hammer' is an integral part of any serious IT engineer's toolkit.

[justsomeguy]

Indeed. The 'fixing hammer' is an integral part of any serious IT engineer's toolkit.

:killingme :lol: :killingme

[Stevo]

Hi guys,

I qualify for a restricted under the CBTA thingey, and I'm confident I'll pass it and gain my restricted.

Is there anyway I'll be able to ride a 400 on my restricted??

Exemptions/legal loopholes, etc.

I would also want to fully insure and ride the bike legally.

I've found this perfect bike, from a genuine owner........ but since I've recently turned 23 and I got my learners at the end of this Jan, it looks like I can only get my full at the end of the year.

Any genuine advice would be seriously appreciated.

and hold the you are too inexperienced rants...... i have no problems with self-control.
You should keep riding the 250

OR

Let me do to it what I am to do to SniperCBR's bike. Involves welding, wrecked 600 motorcycle, more welding then "Fark Me, that's a lotta horsepower for little wheels, brakes, and suspension!"

Just wait till I get my grubby little hands on his motorcycle! :drinknsin :whistle:

[justsomeguy]

You should keep riding the 250

OR

Let me do to it what I am to do to SniperCBR's bike. Involves welding, wrecked 600 motorcycle, more welding then "Fark Me, that's a lotta horsepower for little wheels, brakes, and suspension!"

Just wait till I get my grubby little hands on his motorcycle! :drinknsin :whistle:

You shoehorning a 600 into a 250 or sumsuch equally crazy petrol heady thingy???

[Mr Skid]

Lots of wheelies. :lol:Don't forget the highsides! :lol:

[Sniper]

You should keep riding the 250

OR

Let me do to it what I am to do to SniperCBR's bike. Involves welding, wrecked 600 motorcycle, more welding then "Fark Me, that's a lotta horsepower for little wheels, brakes, and suspension!"

Just wait till I get my grubby little hands on his motorcycle! :drinknsin :whistle:

EXCUSE ME?????????

Thats the first time I heard about this?? Hmmm, Im nervous about leaving my bike with you now?? :whistle:

[justsomeguy]

Don't forget the highsides! :lol:

:whistle:

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[flyin]

Do you really want to be getting a faster bike if you havn't got the confidence to lift the front of your ZZR?
I'm not trying to say anything nasty but ummm u only have to sit back a lil and drop the clutch hard then you should be gettin at least a few cms off the ground?!?! I've had the front lifting on my ZZR coming outta a corner in 2nd........and i'm still slow as!!

each to thier own but I'd like to learn how to make my bike perform to its limits before i upgrade....

[justsomeguy]

Do you really want to be getting a faster bike if you havn't got the confidence to lift the front of your ZZR?
I'm not trying to say anything nasty but ummm u only have to sit back a lil and drop the clutch hard then you should be gettin at least a few cms off the ground?!?! I've had the front lifting on my ZZR coming outta a corner in 2nd........and i'm still slow as!!

each to thier own but I'd like to learn how to make my bike perform to its limits before i upgrade....

The only reason I want a faster bike is so I don't always get left behind on the straights......

As for wheelie practice.... I'm working on it.:whistle:

[cammo]

Do you really want to be getting a faster bike if you havn't got the confidence to lift the front of your ZZR?
I'm not trying to say anything nasty but ummm u only have to sit back a lil and drop the clutch hard then you should be gettin at least a few cms off the ground?!?! I've had the front lifting on my ZZR coming outta a corner in 2nd........and i'm still slow as!!

each to thier own but I'd like to learn how to make my bike perform to its limits before i upgrade....

ive had that problem, nailing it down the paraparas, some of the corners have a bit of a rise at the end (if you get what i mean, like the corner around and up, not flat) and going fast enough around the corner i get the front up regually in 2nd and 3rd gear. but then after the track day i had 10 times more confidence and now im going faster then i ever have and my zzr still has more to offer. ive started going around corners at about double their noted speed (duno if thats fast but it feels it) and more sometimes, like i stretched it to about 100 around a 45 today, hanging on for dear life, sitting on my thigh, knee right out, toe up on peg etc...great fun.

and to be honest im getting bored with my bike in some ways like on straights. i want a cbr or zxr or sumthing soon. but my bike still has so much potential on the corners, i have heaps to learn and my bike can still go faster, i scare my self frequently when riding and i still havnt mastered the power of my bike, im still amature pretending to be pro...LOL

as for wheelies, i can get the front up ok. i did my best one today, got it up and stayed ther for like a second or 2 at most. doesnt sound like much, but it felt good. no stoppies yet, and not for a while.

my next step is to get some leathers and try getting my knee down, and when i can do that ok, then ill look at another bike i think.

well if that made any sence i will be shocked. i tend to ramble a bit and repeat myself, but its all ther some where.

cammo

[Zapf]

ive had that problem, nailing it down the paraparas, some of the corners have a bit of a rise at the end (if you get what i mean, like the corner around and up, not flat) and going fast enough around the corner i get the front up regually in 2nd and 3rd gear. but then after the track day i had 10 times more confidence and now im going faster then i ever have and my zzr still has more to offer. ive started going around corners at about double their noted speed (duno if thats fast but it feels it) and more sometimes, like i stretched it to about 100 around a 45 today, hanging on for dear life, sitting on my thigh, knee right out, toe up on peg etc...great fun.

and to be honest im getting bored with my bike in some ways like on straights. i want a cbr or zxr or sumthing soon. but my bike still has so much potential on the corners, i have heaps to learn and my bike can still go faster, i scare my self frequently when riding and i still havnt mastered the power of my bike, im still amature pretending to be pro...LOL

as for wheelies, i can get the front up ok. i did my best one today, got it up and stayed ther for like a second or 2 at most. doesnt sound like much, but it felt good. no stoppies yet, and not for a while.

my next step is to get some leathers and try getting my knee down, and when i can do that ok, then ill look at another bike i think.

well if that made any sence i will be shocked. i tend to ramble a bit and repeat myself, but its all ther some where.

cammo

u are so lucky to be living so close to the paraparas! :) damm nice twisties they are...

[Stevo]

EXCUSE ME?????????

Thats the first time I heard about this?? Hmmm, Im nervous about leaving my bike with you now?? :whistle:
Relaaaaaaaaaaax! Leave it with me for a weekend.
You stress too much SnippyCBR. You know you will only crash it again anyway. If I.................................... don't blow it up first that is. :killingme

[John]

Relaaaaaaaaaaax! Leave it with me for a weekend.
You stress too much SnippyCBR. You know you will only crash it again anyway. If I.................................... don't blow it up first that is. :killingme
Just wondering does the CBR400 engine just slot into the 250, I'm trying to get a cheaper 400cc for my bike (zxr400h2 engine) aparently just slots into the ZXR250c frame.

[Stevo]

Just wondering does the CBR400 engine just slot into the 400, I'm trying to get a cheaper 400cc for my bike (zxr400h2 engine) aparently just slots in.
Pass. Next question. Think with a little effort 600 motors can be squeezed into a 400. Sounds like you may need to look at the brakes first??

[cammo]

i was just thinking too, how hard did you push at tapou the other day? like did you get your feet of pegs to touch down round the hairpin or anything?

[justsomeguy]

i was just thinking too, how hard did you push at tapou the other day? like did you get your feet of pegs to touch down round the hairpin or anything?

No Chicken strips left, and I was scraping pegs a bit on the hairpin

[flyin]

Looks like we're going to have to have a ZZR250 race.... we all sound like nutters :niceone:

oh and as Paul in NZ pointed out to me last weekend: "there's NO point getting caught speeding in a straight line!"

I like to go with the- Red and white speed signs are LAW you obey them...... yellow and black signs are WARNING they can be doubled!........ white with a black stripe = fun!!

[justsomeguy]

Looks like we're going to have to have a ZZR250 race.... we all sound like nutters :niceone:

oh and as Paul in NZ pointed out to me last weekend: "there's NO point getting caught speeding in a straight line!"

I like to go with the- Red and white speed signs are LAW you obey them...... yellow and black signs are WARNING they can be doubled!........ white with a black stripe = fun!!

Yup looks like it

A mate of mine here owns a 93 model - identical bike. I'll be getting a new screen and I need to find a mudguard.

Then my bike be as cosmetically mint as it is mechanically mint. Hehehe


I'm off to work on those corner speeds.

Need to buy some warm gloves though:cold:

[cammo]

No Chicken strips left, and I was scraping pegs a bit on the hairpin

yeah same, i was getting my peg down on the hairpin, but i cant shake the 4mm of chicken strip on my tyre still so i duno. mind you i have a 130 diablo and you have a 140 dont you? that might have somthing to do with it...

are any of you guys (zzr250 owners, flyin and JSG etc) going to the rally? if so we should go for a ride!!

[Sniper]

Relaaaaaaaaaaax! Leave it with me for a weekend.
You stress too much SnippyCBR. You know you will only crash it again anyway. If I.................................... don't blow it up first that is. :killingme

The theme for this project is NO!!

No to modifying, no to destroying and no to squeezing larger motor into small bike!!

[Gremlin]

Look at that, you went and got Stevo all hot and excited, now you've gone and disappointed him.

Think of it as "experimental purposes" or ask him to try it on one of his bikes first. :lol:

[flyin]

yeah same, i was getting my peg down on the hairpin, but i cant shake the 4mm of chicken strip on my tyre still so i duno. mind you i have a 130 diablo and you have a 140 dont you? that might have somthing to do with it...

are any of you guys (zzr250 owners, flyin and JSG etc) going to the rally? if so we should go for a ride!!

Sorry I'm too poor and slack to get to the rally this time..... I'm getting my restricted next week so I will be able to ride on the motorway :msn-wink: and meet ya for a ride another day.......

yeah I've been thrashing mine and still got that last 2-3mm of silicone...... there are scrapes in it but they are unatainable while riding 2up cos my pipe scrapes first!! and I do around 80% of my riding 2up

[cammo]

Sorry I'm too poor and slack to get to the rally this time..... I'm getting my restricted next week so I will be able to ride on the motorway :msn-wink: and meet ya for a ride another day.......

yeah I've been thrashing mine and still got that last 2-3mm of silicone...... there are scrapes in it but they are unatainable while riding 2up cos my pipe scrapes first!! and I do around 80% of my riding 2up


im not sure if ive ever hit my pipes b4. but ive been hitting my peg and i still have chicken strips so..i duno what to do. but then i dont care.

as for a ride, i have family that live in tawa so when i come down next ill let you know and we can head up the takas or sumthing (never been up there yet!!!)

[justsomeguy]

No I;m not coming down to the Rally. Going with MR to manfield then coming home afterwards

Provided I can get a ride back. Otherwise I'll be home for the weekend.

[flyin]

Sweet, The pipe on mine is bigger than standard and sits lower and scrapes sooner.... it's going to get obscenely loud next time I hit it!! lucky i'm learning how to weld soon aye!
do you still have the little hero blob thingy-ma-whatsits under your pegs? mine was without these upon puchase....... I have scraped the -folded away- sidestand too.......

Yeah a ride up the takas sounds cool, theres a whole bunch of fun roads round the wairarapa too!!!

[justsomeguy]

Sweet, The pipe on mine is bigger than standard and sits lower and scrapes sooner.... it's going to get obscenely loud next time I hit it!! lucky i'm learning how to weld soon aye!
do you still have the little hero blob thingy-ma-whatsits under your pegs? mine was without these upon puchase....... I have scraped the -folded away- sidestand too.......

Yeah a ride up the takas sounds cool, theres a whole bunch of fun roads round the wairarapa too!!!

You sound like quite a talented rider. I've got tons to learn in comparison

[flyin]

nah I dont know shit! just remember a few smart things I've been told........... heaps of them from on here.....done a few advenced driver/rider thingys......ride every day........... plus I'm slightly mad.......... :shifty: ......

[Mr Skid]

im not sure if ive ever hit my pipes b4. but ive been hitting my peg and i still have chicken strips so..i duno what to do. but then i dont care.

as for a ride, i have family that live in tawa so when i come down next ill let you know and we can head up the takas or sumthing (never been up there yet!!!)
Just a thought cammo, what *for you* is the value of chicken strips?

It's a retorical question in this case, but imho for most people it's a pride thing that they're reaching the limits of their bike.

Chicken strips are just one way to judge this. I've heard that for bmw owners it's their cylinder head covers. :shifty:

If you're dissapointed that you know that the tire can go further than your bike, then you need to think about ground clearance. Could try jacking up the preload (within reason) on the rear shock to raise the back, or possibly aftermarket pegs with beveled ends..

[justsomeguy]

Just a thought cammo, what *for you* is the value of chicken strips?

It's a retorical question in this case, but imho for most people it's a pride thing that they're reaching the limits of their bike.

Chicken strips are just one way to judge this. I've heard that for bmw owners it's their cylinder head covers. :shifty:

If you're dissapointed that you know that the tire can go further than your bike, then you need to think about ground clearance. Could try jacking up the preload (within reason) on the rear shock to raise the back, or possibly aftermarket pegs with beveled ends..

OK You've changed your name...... now change the bloody picture too:shake:

[cammo]

i never even knew about those "hero blob" things until the track day when i saw JSGs pegs had then, i soon relised i didnt.

as for my side stand, naa never got that, but i removed my center stand cos i never used it and it had been scraping.

i need to adjust my rear suspension, its at the softest setting so hopfully ill be able to do that soon.

as for my chicken strips, im not too concerned. i figure if ive got my peg down and their still there then its not that bad. but i really need to tighten up my susp.

[justsomeguy]

i never even knew about those "hero blob" things until the track day when i saw JSGs pegs had then, i soon relised i didnt.

as for my side stand, naa never got that, but i removed my center stand cos i never used it and it had been scraping.

i need to adjust my rear suspension, its at the softest setting so hopfully ill be able to do that soon.

as for my chicken strips, im not too concerned. i figure if ive got my peg down and their still there then its not that bad. but i really need to tighten up my susp.

If you look under your pegs you may realise that they have been taken off...

And with no side stand how do you lube your chain?? Use a block of wood or something??

[cammo]

If you look under your pegs you may realise that they have been taken off...

And with no side stand how do you lube your chain?? Use a block of wood or something??

with great diffuculty(sp?) but i found a great way to get aorund it, either i lube the chain then push the bike forward or i just put two car jacks under the swing arm, works a treat!!

i should really lube my chain tomorrow whilst on the subject...

[justsomeguy]

with great diffuculty(sp?) but i found a great way to get aorund it, either i lube the chain then push the bike forward or i just put two car jacks under the swing arm, works a treat!!

i should really lube my chain tomorrow whilst on the subject...

I usually put it into first gear on the main stand, then clean it with a toothbrush and kerosene, put it into second give it a few revs and slow it down to a stop. Let it dry for about a couple of minutes then switch it back into first and spray it. Makes the chain look good as new:2thumbsup

[cammo]

I usually put it into first gear on the main stand, then clean it with a toothbrush and kerosene, put it into second give it a few revs and slow it down to a stop. Let it dry for about a couple of minutes then switch it back into first and spray it. Makes the chain look good as new:2thumbsup

should try that tomorrow then. cheers.

[justsomeguy]

Try it every 500k's:niceone:

[flyin]

Cammo- get onto that rear shock ASAP, the difference is phenominal! better aceleration/launch, makes for better wheelies oh and cornering.....

as for the chain, I too have no center stand, I utilise my pillion and get her to hold the rear wheel off the ground (tilting it onto the sidestand and front wheel so it balances..)
I use a wax that I try to apply every 500 or so kms..... will have to have a go cleaning with a toothbrush one day...... TSS tidy it up for me nicely so I havn't really needed to yet though

[cammo]

Cammo- get onto that rear shock ASAP, the difference is phenominal! better aceleration/launch, makes for better wheelies oh and cornering.....

as for the chain, I too have no center stand, I utilise my pillion and get her to hold the rear wheel off the ground (tilting it onto the sidestand and front wheel so it balances..)
I use a wax that I try to apply every 500 or so kms..... will have to have a go cleaning with a toothbrush one day...... TSS tidy it up for me nicely so I havn't really needed to yet though

i might just have to try the "ol hammer and screw driver trick" as frosty said the other day, oh and a bit of force!!

it might make wheelies easier... :whistle:

will see what happens,

cheers all

[Coldkiwi]

My thoughts:
'mint RGV's or NSR' don't exist. They're all second hand and have been ridden by people wanting a go-fast 250 and will have been abused. End of story. if you want one, be prepared to spend some money on it at regular intervals. Mint RS250 Aprilias do exist because some people buy them for pose value.. but they also cost mucho moolah.

sporty 4 cylinder 250's are great. keeping up with bigger bikes is quite possible once you learn how to get the most out of the revvy engine and the ability to corner quick... and its very satisfying. I can tell you now that if you upsize at regular intervals without pushing the bike before you move on, you WILL get passed by a rider on a smaller bike. if you're cool with that, then there's no reason not to get a bigger one (assuming you have your full/insurance yadda yadda) but if you fancy keeping up with the jones' and NOT getting passed by Mr Smith on a zzr250, riding whatever 250 have to its max abilities is the way to go.

[justsomeguy]

My thoughts:
'mint RGV's or NSR' don't exist. They're all second hand and have been ridden by people wanting a go-fast 250 and will have been abused. End of story. if you want one, be prepared to spend some money on it at regular intervals. Mint RS250 Aprilias do exist because some people buy them for pose value.. but they also cost mucho moolah.

sporty 4 cylinder 250's are great. keeping up with bigger bikes is quite possible once you learn how to get the most out of the revvy engine and the ability to corner quick... and its very satisfying. I can tell you now that if you upsize at regular intervals without pushing the bike before you move on, you WILL get passed by a rider on a smaller bike. if you're cool with that, then there's no reason not to get a bigger one (assuming you have your full/insurance yadda yadda) but if you fancy keeping up with the jones' and NOT getting passed by Mr Smith on a zzr250, riding whatever 250 have to its max abilities is the way to go.

Yup that was the idea all along. The only reason I started this advice rant was that this bike I was looking at (which seems to have been sold already) was exactly what I was looking for. BUt hey in 9 months, things will be much better.

So no worries....... I will be giving the faithful ZZR some more love........:love:

[John]

Yup that was the idea all along. The only reason I started this advice rant was that this bike I was looking at (which seems to have been sold already) was exactly what I was looking for. BUt hey in 9 months, things will be much better.

So no worries....... I will be giving the faithful ZZR some more love........:love:
And stop giving her 96 :lol:

[justsomeguy]

And stop giving her 96 :lol:

Alright - 91 it is now........... lots of people have said this so I'll do as you'll say.

[John]

Alright - 91 it is now........... lots of people have said this so I'll do as you'll say.
Thats the way :D

p.s Posts: 666 for you, must be a sign..

[justsomeguy]

Thats the way :D

p.s Posts: 666 for you, must be a sign..

:shifty: Oh nooo....... :confused:

hehehehe

How you been?? Hows the ZXR doing??

[Stevo]

Sorry I'm too poor and slack to get to the rally this time..... I'm getting my restricted next week so I will be able to ride on the motorway :msn-wink: and meet ya for a ride another day.......

yeah I've been thrashing mine and still got that last 2-3mm of silicone...... there are scrapes in it but they are unatainable while riding 2up cos my pipe scrapes first!! and I do around 80% of my riding 2up
Dah if the pipe is hitting the ground then it sounds like it needs some rangi relocating. That or cut it off! Before I changed my high mount exhaust to the low mount I was have trouble hitting my right toes on the road due to lack of foot space due to the high pipe. Wasn't about to cut the foot off so took to the pipe.

Good as gold now :ride:

[cammo]

what are the benfits of 91, i thought a higher octaine was better for your bike?? mine went way better on 96 after using 91 for about 2-3 weeks..?

[Stevo]

Look at that, you went and got Stevo all hot and excited, now you've gone and disappointed him.

Think of it as "experimental purposes" or ask him to try it on one of his bikes first. :lol:
Sniperfella always chickens out this fast. Today he even told me no more racing each other cos he is sick of whippin me???????? First time I ever heard anyone say they are sick of winning!!! Oh man!



The theme for this project is NO!!

No to modifying, no to destroying and no to squeezing larger motor into small bike!!
Do you just say NO to anything fun? What do you say when Missy SniperCBR says she is ready for a bit of action?
Does it go like this?
The theme for your need for personal pleasures is NO!! No to nakedness, No to spanking, No to toys and oils, and NO I don't want to play! :killingme :killingme :killingme :killingme :drinknsin

[Stevo]

what are the benfits of 91, i thought a higher octaine was better for your bike?? mine went way better on 96 after using 91 for about 2-3 weeks..?
I tried some 96 50:50 with avgas in the weekend in my quad. Much better pull in the lower rev range. Am wondering if it would pep the FiZzeR up or Blow it up???

[cammo]

I tried some 96 50:50 with avgas in the weekend in my quad. Much better pull in the lower rev range. Am wondering if it would pep the FiZzeR up or Blow it up???

hmm, i was just gona chuck in a full tank of av gas (100 octaine) and see what happens, cos we only use av gas in our chain saws at work, and their two strokes, so i figured it wouldnt hurt, but i didnt think about blowing it up or mixing...prolly a good thing i didnt do it in the end!

[Gremlin]

well, there is one obvious way to find out for sure...

"now, lets see, I'll just add this, and I'll start her up... lets give her a bit of revs... BOOOOM, nope, that didn't work...

I'll have to try something else, but first I'll need another bike..."

:lol:

[Sniper]

Do you just say NO to anything fun? What do you say when Missy SniperCBR says she is ready for a bit of action?
Does it go like this?
The theme for your need for personal pleasures is NO!! No to nakedness, No to spanking, No to toys and oils, and NO I don't want to play! :killingme :killingme :killingme :killingme :drinknsin


Hey thats not very nice, and what you been doing with my missus?? :2thumbsup

[justsomeguy]

Can someone give me an educational reply as to why 91oct would be better for me baby??:ride:


Instead of the diet of 96 that I feed em with??

[flyin]

Can someone give me an educational reply as to why 91oct would be better for me baby??:ride:


Instead of the diet of 96 that I feed em with??

Beacuse the shit that flows from our 96 pumps is not what we are told it is! :angry2: !, overseas 96 or "super" is actually better quality and has a higher octane rating, here they take a tank of 91 and chuck in some explosive shit so old cars dont ping so much and new cars think they are going harder...... :confused: sorta (I have passed real tests bout hydrocarbons...)
Bike motors are generaly more "racey' and are more sensitive to what you run through them. they do have to be tuned to whichever octane is being used to obtain maximum power. So for the Max out of your motor run av-gas and service it every 1000kms. (av-gas is illegal for road use but smells sooo good. :whistle: ..)

BP 98(the expensive one) and apparantly Gull are better gas but one cannot always find a BP with the gold shit when on the reserve....

Sooo 91 runs cleaner and more efficiantly (in my ZZR anyway!), I get better fuel consumption and the tank is cheaper to fill. the Exhaust note sounds better too, popped around more with 96-98 and sounded like I was killing it...

I am a convert and always run 91 now. I used to swap depending on how rich I was feeling because I thought 96 was better..... changing over makes for funny running....... I found that it would run funny for a while then once it was all mixed up?!? it would sort its shit and show the charecteristics of the sort of petrol i was using....... If ya know what i mean......

I keep to 91 now..... :2thumbsup

oh and i blew all the packing outta my can on 98!!!!

[justsomeguy]

Well.............. I have been running 91 for the past couple of days....

...last night I did about 100kms of straight motorway commuting at a steady 110..... and the bike seemed better.:niceone:

This morning I did my usual Scenic Drive blast and the bike sort of felt a bit sluggish.......:confused:

Maybe it was the bike or maybe it was the fact that I put the liners:cold: back into my jacket and pant and couldn't move......:angry2:

Either case, there's a ride tomorrow and I'll be keen to see how it performs then.:ride:

Thanks for the info:2thumbsup

[bugjuice]

there's plenty of threads on fuel quality and rating etc. go for a search.
I think you'll find 96/98 burns hotter and cleaner, where as 91 has more 'aditives' in it, and doesn't burn as hot, hence it felt more sluggish..

[justsomeguy]

Yup:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=2465&highlight=fuel+quality+rating

[flyin]

...last night I did about 100kms of straight motorway commuting at a steady 110..... and the bike seemed better.:niceone:

This morning I did my usual Scenic Drive blast and the bike sort of felt a bit sluggish.......:confused:


Thanks for the info:2thumbsup


Yeah I noticed the smoother cruise at 9grand in top..... I do heaps of motorway riding so I like that bit!

The air densities may have made the difference you noticed between riding at night in the cool dense air. while in the morning it may have been thinner and possibly still damp (depending what time you rode and weather conditions....),
Worth noting that uncontrolable external conditions can influence how the bike performs anyways...... like on the desert road, (I got carb icing in an old corrolla up there a while back.... :cold: )

Also how long do you warm up your bike before the morning blast? I find mine runs better all day after I let it warm up good and proper fist thing!

[cammo]

f**k, screw biking and this shit. im getting so pissed today. first i was trying to get any excess chain lube off my chain and i just so happens to drop my bike and snap my clutch lever off!!!! :angry2: it still rides ok, after i bent the gear lever back out from the bike :angry2:

then to top it all off i noticed that im leaking oil from around my gear box area (i think) and its nice and pretty and black and covered in shit and driping....argggh :angry2:

i tihnk i might need an emergency service next week to get everything sorted...which means more $$$$ :angry2:

ohh yeah and a by-product of the falling over, some more nice cracks through out the fairing.

i was planing on repainting my bike, got some snad paper yesterday to start, but with all these cracks n stuff, i shuld just spend all the extra $$$ and buy a new set of fairings!!!

im not a happy camper if you can tell :angry2: :angry2: :angry2:

anyway, sorry to side track our nice lil tread gong on here! just had to vent my anger, as one does!!!

[Ixion]

f**k, screw biking and this shit. im getting so pissed today. first i was trying to get any excess chain lube off my chain and i just so happens to drop my bike and snap my clutch lever off!!!! :angry2: it still rides ok, after i bent the gear lever back out from the bike :angry2:

then to top it all off i noticed that im leaking oil from around my gear box area (i think) and its nice and pretty and black and covered in shit and driping....argggh :angry2:

i tihnk i might need an emergency service next week to get everything sorted...which means more $$$$ :angry2:

ohh yeah and a by-product of the falling over, some more nice cracks through out the fairing.

i was planing on repainting my bike, got some snad paper yesterday to start, but with all these cracks n stuff, i shuld just spend all the extra $$$ and buy a new set of fairings!!!

im not a happy camper if you can tell :angry2: :angry2: :angry2:

anyway, sorry to side track our nice lil tread gong on here! just had to vent my anger, as one does!!!


Oh dear. I always leave my levers just tight enough on the bars that they won't slip in normal use but will move if the bike drops. Doesn't always save them but often does.

Cheer up, winter's coming. You'll be glad of that fairing when the rain's beating in on you.

Gearbox leak doesn't sound good, but maybe just a seal or something.

It all sort of goes with the biking territory. They're more effort than a cage.

[flyin]

We all have our moments of doubt, getting to speak with dudes who have seen it all helps alot, as does a relaxing ride (ballistic thrash) through the countryside.......

Apparantly plastic welding isn't too much of a drama, I have not as yet learnt the art...... my fairings need a bit of attention too. maybe we could have a plastic welding meet after our ZZR250 race....... Flag painting it nice untill your gunna sell it! apparantly aftermarket colours and lack of original stickers devalue a bike heaps!?!

[cammo]

We all have our moments of doubt, getting to speak with dudes who have seen it all helps alot, as does a relaxing ride (ballistic thrash) through the countryside.......

Apparantly plastic welding isn't too much of a drama, I have not as yet learnt the art...... my fairings need a bit of attention too. maybe we could have a plastic welding meet after our ZZR250 race....... Flag painting it nice untill your gunna sell it! apparantly aftermarket colours and lack of original stickers devalue a bike heaps!?!

ahh screw aftermarket colour stuff. i only bought the bike for 1700, so im not gona get much when i try sell anyways. aslong as it looks tidy. and if i do get it repainted ill get some more stickers made up by the local sign writing guy...

i think the oil might just have been a overflow or sumthing cos it only drpped like 5 times, and now its stopped, so maybe it leaked when it was on its side..?

if i drop it again, and can prove to the insurance guy that i need new fairings, i should just do that, my excess goes down to 500 when i get my restricted so that might be a good option.

ahh ill get over.

[justsomeguy]

Take your fairings off, clean the bike to the best of your ability, then go for a half hour ride or maybe even an hour. Come back and see where the mess has begun again.

I had a similar problem and found that I needed a new alternator cover gasket. $18, from the local bike thief *cough* I mean shop.

[John]

Also give the 'dripping' flluid a sniff, to see what it is, it may just be the excess chain lube - I had that scare myself, if you cant afford a gasket, get some gasket paper and make it up youself (cheap and proper)!

Dont worry about the plastics, I'm looking at getting a plastic weilder so I will come to auckland with it at some point and sort some people out who need it :).

But make sure you do as justsomeguy says, its the best way to test for oil leaks, dont get to upset about it, bikes tend to put us through our wits to see how dedicated we really are to them :)

Just take care and do your best to sort it out, and tell us what you find, good luck :)

[justsomeguy]

A sheet of gasket paper costs bout $7 from Repco. And it's a bloody hassle to get it in exactly the right shape especially with screw placement.

So I'd say just buy a new gasket, since it's just another $10.

And if you are using so much chain lube that you mistake it for an oil leak then you're probably using about 20 doses at once:whistle: (Since you said it was all covered, etc)

See you tomorrow John if you're coming down......

[Ixion]

A sheet of gasket paper costs bout $7 from Repco. And it's a bloody hassle to get it in exactly the right shape especially with screw placement.
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Easy peasy. Smear a bit of dirty old oil over the mating surface of the cover (OK, you can use mechanics blue if you really want to waste your money). Place cover oily side up, stretch paper over mating surface. Run a plasticy thing (I use a screwdriver handle) over the reverse side of the paper. Press in a little over the screw holes. (Big covers it may be easier to do by putting the cover down onto the paper. Just have to be more careful about the holes)

Remove paper, voila, you have the exact template marked out. Cut neatly and accurately, use a hole punch (cheap as chips from your friendly local tool merchant) for the screw holes. Good as a bought one and a fraction of the price. Keep the cutout bit from the middle for little gaskets.


Lesson two, we'll tell you about that wonderful stuff called shellac. That's a real trade secret that one.

[cammo]

yeah, naa it was black on oily and away from the chain. tomorrow i will take the fairings off and clean clean clean, ill try take a pic first to show you just how gross it is!!!

will post back with info later

[justsomeguy]

Cleaning is very easy......... an old paint brush and an old cup of kerosene and in 5 mins you're done.

I clean everything with kerosene and a brush, including the fairings everything........ the whole bike. For the cosmetic bits I just paint on leave to let dry if clean enough or apply another coat and then wipe off...... cleanazz:niceone:

I find it does the job perfectly.

[cammo]

Cleaning is very easy......... an old paint brush and an old cup of kerosene and in 5 mins you're done.

I clean everything with kerosene and a brush, including the fairings everything........ the whole bike. For the cosmetic bits I just paint on leave to let dry if clean enough or apply another coat and then wipe off...... cleanazz:niceone:

I find it does the job perfectly.

well i just bought some keroseen stuff, so i will have a look tomorrow