MNZ storm brewing

[tl1000]

I hear that MNZ are brewing up for a storm with the Patron tring to get the numbers to oust JT and the board cose they gave the CEO a stir up, and life members dont like JT's Style, A letter to all MNZclub Presidents for support for a coo and put the patron in as President with 3 other life members,
whats everbody think

[gammaguy]

I hear that MNZ are brewing up for a storm with the Patron tring to get the numbers to oust JT and the board cose they gave the CEO a stir up, and life members dont like JT's Style, A letter to all MNZclub Presidents for support for a coo and put the patron in as President with 3 other life members,
whats everbody think

Wha???i thought english was spoken on here....

[chanceyy]

I understand this should be under the racing forum .. so have moved it here .. feel free to correct me if I have this wrong :)

[tl1000]

Place it where you think it fits, MNZ cater for many riders other than racers, Trail riders etc,

This thread is to alert members of the brewing coo lead by the patron, I think he is a Fijian !!!! and has his own rules

[Kickaha]

This thread is to alert members of the brewing coo lead by the patron, I think he is a Fijian !!!! and has his own rules

The patron a Fijian? what the fuck kind of medication are you on?

[Wingnut]

Who is the Patron????

[sidecar bob]

A letter to all MNZclub Presidents for support for a coo

W.T.F?? MNZ are keeping Pigeons now? This just gets more ridiculous by the day!!

[scott411]

yes the above is true, the Patron (Kevin McLeary) has sent a letter out to the clubs to request a special AGM, seeking a vote of no confidence in the current board, and to have the board replaced with life members until a new election be held.

this is just shit, i have no idea who will win, but i know for sure who will lose, it will be the average club's and the average riders,

[FROSTY]

Ohh FFS here we go again

[k14]

yes the above is true, the Patron (Kevin McLeary) has sent a letter out to the clubs to request a special AGM, seeking a vote of no confidence in the current board, and to have the board replaced with life members until a new election be held.

this is just shit, i have no idea who will win, but i know for sure who will lose, it will be the average club's and the average riders,
Does it have any reasoning as to why the vote of no confidence?

[Pussy]

W.T.F?? MNZ are keeping Pigeons now? This just gets more ridiculous by the day!!

Yeah.... next there will be talk of a coup!

[scott411]

Does it have any reasoning as to why the vote of no confidence?

there is multiple reason's, from Jim's managemnet style, to employment issues with the staff of mnz, if you talk to your club you can read the letter, i do not think i should post it on here,

[scrivy]

W.T.F?? MNZ are keeping Pigeons now? This just gets more ridiculous by the day!!


Yeah.... next there will be talk of a coup!

Pigeon soup.........?? What friggin next???

I prefer tomato soup.

Mind you, if I say that, I could get threatened with pulling my permit.... or is that a tantrum??


WTF???

Too early in the morning for this..... :wacko:

[Shaun]

Pigeon soup.........?? What friggin next???

I prefer tomato soup.

Mind you, if I say that, I could get threatened with pulling my permit.... or is that a tantrum??


WTF???

Too early in the morning for this..... :wacko:



Just stay out of it dude, NOT worth the grief of typing your opinion on what is happening now

[Crasherfromwayback]

They're just like a bunch of badly behaved kids in an over crowded sandpit

[White trash]

They're just like a bunch of badly behaved kids in an over crowded sandpit
What's happening, is you've got a big bunch of folks, all with the best intentions for our sport. However, all of them have massive personality clashes and different visions on how best to make the sport grow.

What was the road to Hell paved with again?

[Crasherfromwayback]

What's happening, is you've got a big bunch of folks, all with the best intentions for our sport. However, all of them have massive personality clashes and different visions on how best to make the sport grow.

What was the road to Hell paved with again?

That's simply because most people involved in motorcycle racing have massively over inflated egos. I'm no different. But ffs...for the good of motorcycling in NZ...egos need to be buried. Deep.

By the way...the road to hell is paved with Tui...and as a final kick in the teeth when you arrive...they only serve DB. Warm.

[avgas]

Good to know, I thought nz racing was about politics and drama queens. Turns out I was correct.
I'm just waiting for Dr Ropata to come back again......

[Crasherfromwayback]

Good to know, I thought nz racing was about politics and drama queens. Turns out I was correct.
I'm just waiting for Dr Ropata to come back again......

He's been at a tangi

[Clivoris]

Actually, baldy, I'm of the opinion you're fast closing on my crash record......

:pinch: You're not meant to be counting Trashman. I'm going to give the racing a miss and run for an MNZ position. Racing isn't dangerous enough anymore.

[Str8 Jacket]

I'm going to give the racing a miss and run for an MNZ position. Racing isn't dangerous enough anymore.

I'm not sure that you have the hair for it...

[Skunk]

All I want is a ferking Permit!

[Kickaha]

Who is the Patron????

Kevin McCleary, Patron and Life member

http://www.kiwiracer.co.nz/webapps/site/76239/138846/info/gallery-view.html?info_id=221721



A letter to all MNZclub Presidents for support for a coo and put the patron in as President with 3 other life members,
whats everbody think

Club Presidents shouldn't be making any decisions without consulting their membership

[terbang]

Yeah.... next there will be talk of a coup!

Isn't that a place where you keep ya chickens..?

[scrivy]

What about a coup d'état ??

Or is that a place to store ya puddytats???? :lol:

[scracha]

Mind you, if I say that, I could get threatened with pulling my permit.... or is that a tantrum??


I wouldn't worry too much. It appears the high heid yins are in no position to accuse anybody else of bringing the sport into disrepute.

Shame I have to pay money in order to race and be "represented" by these guys.

[Robert Taylor]

I hear that MNZ are brewing up for a storm with the Patron tring to get the numbers to oust JT and the board cose they gave the CEO a stir up, and life members dont like JT's Style, A letter to all MNZclub Presidents for support for a coo and put the patron in as President with 3 other life members,
whats everbody think

Yep, seen the correspondence and it has one persons smell all through it. People that live in glass houses are best advised not to throw stones.
The industry at large supports Jim and the board. Nothing more to be said.

[scrivy]

Yep, seen the correspondence and it has one persons smell all through it. People that live in glass houses are best advised not to throw stones.
The industry at large supports Jim and the board. Nothing more to be said.

What about the paying members of MNZ? Are they less important than the industry?

[Kickaha]

What about the paying members of MNZ? Are they less important than the industry?

You mean the paying members who voted him in?

[Robert Taylor]

What about the paying members of MNZ? Are they less important than the industry?

No of course not, there was no other meaning in what I said other than without the support of the industry ( whether people /members benefit directly or indirectly ) the sport is screwed.

The Tri Series that you are heavily involved in is an excellent example of how to organise a series, attract large numbers and attract industry support.

The sad thing is MNZ members may be paying sill amount of money for litigation, that sucks. Thats all Im saying.

[ricey]

I've posted the letter from the Patron and Life Members and also the response from the board. http://www.holeshot.co.nz/news/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=169&func=view&catid=10&id=3669&limit=12&limitstart=36

[Kickaha]

I've posted the letter from the Patron and Life Members and also the response from the board.

Thank you, an interesting read

[White trash]

Interesting read indeed. I figured something like this would be coming when the new board was voted in. It wasa no secret that JT was opposed to the current CEOs management and handling of things. Seems to me that someone's shitting themselves and gone got their few friends left to add weight to their issues.

I don't think it's going to work and I expect we'll see a change in CEo fairly soon.

Do we actually need a CEO anyway?

[Wingnut]

Do we actually need a CEO anyway?

Unless you are getting a viable amount of productivity in return for the (most likely near 6 figure) salary, then I guess you answer is no.

But lets face it, the CEO must do something and who would be doing the work that is currently done by the CEO if the position was terminated?

[jellywrestler]

People that live in glass houses are best advised not to throw stones.
.
Isn't the quote suppossed to be ' people who live in glass houses should have sex in the basement?'

[Shaun]

I have been asking MNZ and Jim Tuckerman for 4 months now, for the statistics of televion hits of the road racing scene televised last year to complete a sponsorship proposal proffesionally

NO ONE CAN AWNSER ME, Both Parties have very big issue's, and if they cannot supply this info, what the heck can they do for us in racing that is of any use gain value

I pushed hard for Jim T to get in, but the soup has stayed the same colour so far

[That Guy]

Motorcycle racing is one of, if not the coolest, activities on the planet.

How the hell can you fu*k it up for chrissakes. Rubbish collection companies are run 500 times better! Imagine if your role was administering motorcycle racing!

I note they use words like "governance" and "no confidence" like they are some sort of professional organisation. What a joke.

The whole lot need their heads looking at.

How sad for our sport.

Nothing else to say really.

[Shaun]

Due to my post in this thread yesterday, I have recieved an A4 page letter via email from a certain party, Telling me they are dissapointed with me! ( O DEAR) it must have taken a while to write!

This letter was a waste of time, and totally of subject, it went on and on and on about the politics of the fight that is going on! I do not give a f about the in house fight, you so called professional buisness people are having, all it is doing once again, is spend ( OUR) money badly, nor do I give a F about how much personell money might be being lost for some, you people wanted the job, Now just do it!

This is not personeel at any one, it is about OUR SPORT and how you all miss manage it!

My first post in this thread, was to show how the 2 parties cannot work together, nothing else was meant by it!

[sidecar bob]

Im over it. i just want to see peace, harmony & fellas getting on with each other, whatever it takes.
Oh, & maybe permits issued in a proficent & suitable amount of time.

[wharfy]

Is that a "heelin coo" or a coup d'etat ?

More people raced in the VMCC winter series than total votes in the MNZ elections, we are our own worst enemy

[Robert Taylor]

Is that a "heelin coo" or a coup d'etat ?

More people raced in the VMCC winter series than total votes in the MNZ elections, we are our own worst enemy

And I kept wondering aloud where are the hierarchy from that juggernaut to witness it???? It also proves that its not so much about machine specification.

By the time the nationals come around it will look like we are in the grip of a recession again.

[scrivy]

Im over it. i just want to see peace, harmony & fellas getting it on with each other, whatever it takes.


YOU BOB ARE A VERY SICK INDIVIDUAL INDEED!!!!
You have obviously learnt alot from Kick - and I don't mean about passengering............ :hug:

[GSVR]

YOU BOB ARE A VERY SICK INDIVIDUAL INDEED!!!!
You have obviously learnt alot from Kick - and I don't mean about passengering............ :hug:

One opinion might be that the sport which is essentially still "amature" here in NZ (not all riders are fulltime and paid) is advised ,organised and administered by professionals who primarilly look at the sport as a profit making opportunity (or that if it isn't it should be).

This is not directed at MNZ either and its just the way the western world has been moving. User pays. Profits before people etc. If you buy into it and do well all good.

The reason for the VICs success is its more about riders getting out and having a go! And the club seems to want to cater for as many diffent levels a possible and give everyone a fair go. Its good to see serious racers investing heavilly in the sport and doing really well but its also great to see people out there on what they brung having a blast enjoying the sport just a much and in alot of cases more.

I'll let you and Bob get back to discussing manlove now Scrivy!

[scrivy]

I'll let you and Bob get back to discussing manlove now Scrivy!

Dude.... he started it!! I think Kick put him up to it.......... :whistle:

[sidecar bob]

I've posted the letter from the Patron and Life Members and also the response from the board. http://www.holeshot.co.nz/news/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=169&func=view&catid=10&id=3669&limit=12&limitstart=36

The letter from the patron & life members convienently ignores a couple of other conflicts of interest that are going on too.
One senior steward ( & probably life member) uses his MNZ badge to gain access to take photographs for a magazine, to the point where he will abuse the organisers own hired photographer, order him out of the way & wave his high ranking MNZ authority badge about threateningly to get what he wants. I witnessed it myself at the BADD 3 hour & was suitably disgusted.
F.F.S Does it really matter who imports Ohlins suspension & who is who's son in law?

[Robert Taylor]

One opinion might be that the sport which is essentially still "amature" here in NZ (not all riders are fulltime and paid) is advised ,organised and administered by professionals who primarilly look at the sport as a profit making opportunity (or that if it isn't it should be).

This is not directed at MNZ either and its just the way the western world has been moving. User pays. Profits before people etc. If you buy into it and do well all good.

The reason for the VICs success is its more about riders getting out and having a go! And the club seems to want to cater for as many diffent levels a possible and give everyone a fair go. Its good to see serious racers investing heavilly in the sport and doing really well but its also great to see people out there on what they brung having a blast enjoying the sport just a much and in alot of cases more.

I'll let you and Bob get back to discussing manlove now Scrivy!

Indeed, that series caters for a diverse range of levels from bargain basement to top shelf equipment and riders. If everyone at all levels are geeting something out of it then thats great.
Profit ( fair and reasonable ) is neccessary in order to be able to help people as there is inevitably a cost in doing everything. I have no problem with fair and reasonable profit and people giving something back.
What I do strongly object to in all forms is stifling legislation.

[Robert Taylor]

The letter from the patron & life members convienently ignores a couple of other conflicts of interest that are going on too.
One senior steward ( & probably life member) uses his MNZ badge to gain access to take photographs for a magazine, to the point where he will abuse the organisers own hired photographer, order him out of the way & wave his high ranking MNZ authority badge about to get what he wants. I witnessed it myself at the BADD 3 hour & was suitably disgusted.
F.F.S Does it really matter who imports Ohlins suspension & who is who's son in law?

Thanks Sidecar Bob for your last sentence. If that letter was indicative of how uninformed and inaccurate the author is then god help us. Lets draw reference to the fact that it only mentioned one person being the importer of Ohlins suspension, when in fact its an equal partnership and also incudes our wives. If there was a true conflict of interest then the son in law would be supplying the said bikes with his suspension components.

[wharfy]

It would be pretty nieve to NOT expect some conflict of interest in the administration of motorcycle sport (at whatever level). If you had no "interest" in motorcycle sport why would you get involved ?

The only requirement should be that the conflict is declared and where that conflict may influence decisions the person who would benifit is not involved in the decision making.

As for the employment relations, MNZ board needs to make sure that they follow the letter AND the spirit of the employment relations act.
I for one would be VERY pissed off if MNZ funds where wasted on fighting personal greivence actions as they usually come about because employers try to get rid of someone they don't "like".
If Employees are not performing there are very clear rules about how to manage that.

Everyone is entitled to be treated fairly and with respect at work.

[Shaun]

It would be pretty nieve to NOT expect some conflict of interest in the administration of motorcycle sport (at whatever level). If you had no "interest" in motorcycle sport why would you get involved ?

The only requirement should be that the conflict is declared and where that conflict may influence decisions the person who would benifit is not involved in the decision making.

As for the employment relations, MNZ board needs to make sure that they follow the letter AND the spirit of the employment relations act.
I for one would be VERY pissed off if MNZ funds where wasted on fighting personal greivence actions as they usually come about because employers try to get rid of someone they don't "like".
If Employees are not performing there are very clear rules about how to manage that.

Everyone is entitled to be treated fairly and with respect at work.



Good to see you typing mate

[scrivy]

Everyone is entitled to be treated fairly and with respect at work.

...but not on the track eh.......??? :whistle::2thumbsup

[Str8 Jacket]

The only requirement should be that the conflict is declared and where that conflict may influence decisions the person who would benifit is not involved in the decision making.


Exactly!! Procurement 101... we (Govt Dept) deal with all CoI's exactly this way too. CoI is usually mostly perception anyway, unfortunately 'perception is reality' for alot of people...

[Kickaha]

So have any clubs had a meeting of their members and voted whether to support the Patron or not?

[scracha]

Huntly we have a problem - again. So I'll write this - again :-



Some things are inherently badly designed and are best scrapped. Viva la revolution

[sidecar bob]

So have any clubs had a meeting of their members and voted whether to support the Patron or not?

Na, im gonna do the whole Brian Tamaki thing, seems he has a plan & great leadership.

[Kickaha]

Na, im gonna do the whole Brian Tamaki thing, seems he has a plan & great leadership.

Send me your money

[sidecar bob]

Send me your money

Send me your ring.

[Tony.OK]

Send me your ring.

How about a credit card styled membership card?

Pay to join, follow the rules, agree with everything, do as your told......................................ahh nearly the same :innocent:

[scracha]

Send me your ring.
His ring of fire?

[k14]

Send me your ring.
It would be able to fit around your neck, quite well used... well so I hear :bash:

[Sidewinder]

damn i love bitch fights:innocent:

[scrivy]

Na, im gonna do the whole Brian Tamaki thing, seems he has a plan & great leadership.
Which account do you want 10% of my pay into????


damn i love bitch fights:innocent:
As opposed to just bitches........? :laugh:

[Sidewinder]

As opposed to just bitches........? :laugh:

ok both are just as good, but only if i get to touch

[Kickaha]

MNZ patron resigns

The Board of MNZ has received the resignation of Life Member and Patron Christchurch’s Kevin McCleary.

The Board had received a ‘Code of Conduct’ complaint from a South Island MNZ member regarding Mr McCleary’s actions in disseminating to Clubs information which was misleading and attacked the professional and personal reputation of Board members. It also put into the marketplace confidential employment information in regards to the former CEO of Motorcycling New Zealand.

The Board advised the Patron of the complaint and urged him to provide the Board prior to their Board meeting on Dec 10th, with an explanation addressing the ‘Code of conduct’ violation.

However Mr McCleary chose not to do this and advised MNZ, on consideration, he had decided to resign.

The Board accepts Mr. McCleary’s decision and would like to take this opportunity to thank him for the many years of service he had given firstly to the ACU and then MNZ and wish him a fulfilling retirement.

MNZ Press Release

Posted: Tue 15 Dec 2009

[scrivy]

MNZ patron resigns


You love dredging this shit up eh kick....:cool:

Won't change alot.