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Motorhead

23rd October 2009, 23:24

Hi All
This is a youtube promo for the Motorcycle Action Group UK MAG.
As you can see we have had the crap your starting to get from both the British and European parliaments for 35 years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnwnmJbC3PM

Best of luck to you lot and remember Freedom aint Free !!

Fight for your rights:argh:

Ride free.

Pete

sinfull

23rd October 2009, 23:29

scissorhands

23rd October 2009, 23:51

We got one of those.

Motorhead

24th October 2009, 01:59

What would lemmy do ?

Lemmy would say you win some you lose some its all the same to me,

But for god sake don't take that attitude.:banana:

YellowDog

24th October 2009, 05:25

cs363

24th October 2009, 06:31

Thanks for the video Motorhead.

Thoughts that occurred to me after viewing - this is what NZ needs, a well organised national organisation (no, BRONZ isn't - see Ixion's comments regarding trying to organise a national BRONZ meeting elsewhere) to continually lobby for motorcyclists rights.

Good, catchy name too - I think BRONZ is badly named, the very term 'bikers' conjures up a negative image in the minds of many of the general public, it's way too easily confused with 'bikies'. Having thought about this, I think that negative image is probably one of the main reasons I never joined BRONZ previously (prior to the current ACC issue).
Even the Aussies have enough sense to realise the negative image associated with the term 'bikers' as they sensibly have named their group 'Motorcycle Riders Association of Australia' http://www.mraa.org.au/.

How hard would it be to set up a NZ branch of MAG and who would be interested? Would BRONZ consider changing their structure & organisation to become a true national body, and would they consider a name change to MAG , MRANZ or MAGNZ etc? Linking with a strong UK/Europe/Australian based group would present many benefits. (If BRONZ aren't already...how would you know?)
In this ever increasingly PC world we live in, I have no doubt that a well organised national lobby group like this will be needed in NZ in the future.

Just some random thoughts, would be interested to hear others views on this......

James Deuce

24th October 2009, 06:36

It'll never work. None of us wear Sam Browne belts.

James Deuce

24th October 2009, 06:37

How hard would it be to set up a NZ branch of MAG and who would be interested? Would BRONZ consider changing their structure & organisation to become a true national body, and would they consider a name change to MAG , MRANZ or MAGNZ etc?

The worst aspect of the BRONZ brand is the word "Rights".

No one has rights.

cs363

24th October 2009, 06:50

The worst aspect of the BRONZ brand is the word "Rights".

No one has rights.

An equally good point, as always Mr Deuce.

There's quite a lot in a name isn't there?

Grahameeboy

24th October 2009, 07:04

You would think that Manufacturers would lobby too...after all it's their sales that could be affected and they Govt gets much needed revenue from bike sales...GST..Import Duty...income tax etc

Grahameeboy

24th October 2009, 07:06

The worst aspect of the BRONZ brand is the word "Rights".

No one has rights.

Mmmmm...we do....NZ has signed up to Human Rights...we all have rights...

James Deuce

24th October 2009, 07:08

Mmmmm...we do....NZ has signed up to Human Rights...we all have rights...

You're kidding me right?

They went and legislated so that Article 13 of the UN Human Rights Declaration didn't apply in NZ.

Yeah we have rights. Yeah rights.

Grahameeboy

24th October 2009, 07:12

You're kidding me right?

They went and legislated so that Article 13 of the UN Human Rights Declaration didn't apply in NZ.

Yeah we have rights. Yeah rights.

Mmmm...I don't think NZ can actually change this Act in the real world...it's a World wide thing....could easily be challenged...which means that NZ does not agree with the Act for starters....

Grahameeboy

24th October 2009, 07:18

You're kidding me right?

They went and legislated so that Article 13 of the UN Human Rights Declaration didn't apply in NZ.

Yeah we have rights. Yeah rights.

The New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990 (BoRA) does not address the right to equality and only indirectly affirms it by reference to New Zealand’s commitment to the ICCPR.

So we do have rights....

James Deuce

24th October 2009, 07:19

Mmmm...I don't think NZ can actually change this Act in the real world...it's a World wide thing....could easily be challenged...which means that NZ does not agree with the Act for starters....

NZ politicians wrote legislation that specifically circumvents Article 13 of the UN Declaration of Human Rights. Of course they can;t change the UN Declaration, but they can write legislation in their own country that specifically contravenes the Declaration.

UN declarations should be perforated and distributed on cardboard tubes.

Anyone who lives in a country that uses the Westminster Parliamentary system needs to understand that individual rights are not core to the constitution, and that the needs of the state always superceded those of the individual The Magna Carta was a waste of time.

Grahameeboy

24th October 2009, 07:21

NZ politicians wrote legislation that specifically circumvents Article 13 of the UN Declaration of Human Rights. Of course they can;t change the UN Declaration, but they can write legislation in their own country that specifically contravenes the Declaration.

UN declarations should be perforated and distributed on cardboard tubes.

Anyone who lives in a country that uses the Westminster Parliamentary system needs to understand that individual rights are not core to the constitution, and that the needs of the state always superceded those of the individual The Magna Carta was a waste of time.

Oh Jim...the whole point is that Human Rights will always override NZ Legislation at the end of the day...

James Deuce

24th October 2009, 07:27

Oh Jim...the whole point is that Human Rights will always override NZ Legislation at the end of the day...

Like the fact that I'm legally required to send my kids to school but from term one of next year SES's ESW's will only be 50% funded and if the school won't pick up the cost you have pay the other 50% of the legally required ESW? $300/w of compulsory school fees for disabled kids who aren't legally allowed in a classroom without an ESW. A mandated Hobson's choice that clearly abrogates every child's "right" to an education in NZ.

You have no rights. Get used to it.

Grahameeboy

24th October 2009, 07:42

Like the fact that I'm legally required to send my kids to school but from term one of next year SES's ESW's will only be 50% funded and if the school won't pick up the cost you have pay the other 50% of the legally required ESW? $300/w of compulsory school fees for disabled kids who aren't legally allowed in a classroom without an ESW. A mandated Hobson's choice that clearly abrogates every child's "right" to an education in NZ.

You have no rights. Get used to it.

We are in similar positions with disability Jim...I am also a Dad fighting to be a Dad which is harder in my situation...but I fight for Nats rights..she goes to main stream school..gets more ESW hours than would normally be allowed...she was the first 4 year old in NZ ever to get a high low function chair fitted to her wheelchair..only ever given to teenagers..she is likely to be the first 6/7 year old to get funding for a Levo chair www.levousa.com (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/www.levousa.com) again only given to teenagers

Nats is the first child in NZ ever to get funding for 2 homes...

Rights are not automatic, like respect...you have to fight for some...and learn not to be knocked back..

Took me 2 years to get my first appointment letter from Starship...I got my rights in the end...

So as far as I am concerned I do have rights and have done pretty well...and I will never give up even if to get rights I am not popular...the trick is to be true to yourself and be focused and never allow others to knock you off...

James Deuce

24th October 2009, 07:49

We are in similar positions with disability Jim...I am also a Dad fighting to be a Dad which is harder in my situation...but I fight for Nats rights..she goes to main stream school..gets more ESW hours than would normally be allowed...she was the first 4 year old in NZ ever to get a high low function chair fitted to her wheelchair..only ever given to teenagers..she is likely to be the first 6/7 year old to get funding for a Levo chair www.levousa.com (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/www.levousa.com) again only given to teenagers

Nats is the first child in NZ ever to get funding for 2 homes...

Rights are not automatic, like respect...you have to fight for some...and learn not to be knocked back..

Took me 2 years to get my first appointment letter from Starship...I got my rights in the end...

So as far as I am concerned I do have rights and have done pretty well...and I will never give up even if to get rights I am not popular...the trick is to be true to yourself and be focused and never allow others to knock you off...
That's not rights, that's doing your job, plus you're talking about service providers not legislators. Your focus is one step removed from those that can add or remove services based on "rights". The Government quitely removed funding for Early Intervention 4 months ago. The Health and Disability Commissioner did his job, but the UN still haven't responded. The Government reinstated funding after the parents got together and sorted a few MPs out and the H&D Commissioner wrote a few damning public statements.

You need to check your OARS funding situation. OARS funding has been cut 50% from next year. The National Party stated in 2006 at their conference that one of their goals was removing the distraction of ESW's and disabled children from the classroom. There are substantial rewrites of the Education Act heading for select committee after Christmas.

Grahameeboy

24th October 2009, 07:53

That's not rights, that's doing your job, plus you're talking about service providers not legislators. Your focus is one step removed from those that can add or remove services based on "rights". The Government quitely removed funding for Early Intervention 4 months ago. The Health and Disability Commissioner did his job, but the UN still haven't responded. The Government reinstated funding after the parents got together and sorted a few MPs out and the H&D Commissioner wrote a few damning public statements.

You need to check your OARS funding situation. OARS funding has been cut 50% from next year. The National Party stated in 2006 at their conference that one of their goals was removing the distraction of ESW's and disabled children from the classroom. There are substantial rewrites of the Education Act heading for select committee after Christmas.

OARS funding for Nats still good...got an extra hour a week following review last month that you refer to...all good...

Rights are not just linked to Legislation Jim...you still have to fight for rights which oddly I enjoy...

James Deuce

24th October 2009, 07:57

OARS funding for Nats still good...got an extra hour a week following review last month that you refer to...all good...

Rights are not just linked to Legislation Jim...you still have to fight for rights which oddly I enjoy...

They aren't rights. They are Government funded services that can be removed by a simple parliamentary session. There is no Constitution in NZ enshrining those rights as absolute. You have no rights. Neither do bikers.

I can guarantee that your OARS funding status will change in 2010.

Grahameeboy

24th October 2009, 08:00

They aren't rights. They are Government funded services that can be removed by a simple parliamentary session. There is no Constitution in NZ enshrining those rights as absolute. You have no rights. Neither do bikers.

I can guarantee that your OARS funding status will change in 2010.

It won't because the review was for 2010...:doh:

You are a negative son of a bitch at times....I doubt very much that Nats funding will be removed....but I still love you

idleidolidyll

3rd November 2009, 20:33

If anyone is actually starting this kind of group; pm me 'cause i reckon BRONZ and Ulysseus will be about as effective as they have been for the last 35 years I've been riding on the road: 5%

They seem to have their heads buried in the sand over WHO is driving these levy increases. I reckon they must all be National and ACT supporters and just can't bring themselves to blame the parties they voted for.