Viral Billstickers

[Ixion]

The enemy keep quoting bad numbers against us

I want, in the next two weeks , to try to disable those numbers.

There are , round numbers , 100000 motorcycles . 3.2 million cars.
ACC paid out $60million on bikes, $208million on cars




The enemy's weak points, on the stats front are :

"The levy should actually be $3700 " - quoted often by John Key. But $3700 on every bike comes to $370 million . More than the total paid out each year for ALL active vehicle claims, car van or bike, since the scheme began

Guys, try 2 times 2 , you might get that right.

"Every car driver is paying an extra $77 because of motorcyclists". That works out at $250 million. Four times as much as the total cost of all active ACC claims for motorcycles since the beginning of the scheme

Guys! Try 2 times 2, you might get that right

"Bikes are 16 times more dangerous than cars". From a household travel survey done in 1998. It compares DISTANCE TRAVELLED . It doesn't prove that bikes are 16 times as dangerous, it proves that cars travel 16 times as many kilometres as bikes.

Guys! Try 2 times 2, you might get that right

"Big bikes cost more". False. The ACC only looked at accidents where the bike was primarily to blame, and ignored those where the bike was the innocent party.

Guys! Try 2 times 2, you might get that right


The bit in bold is sort of the refrain.

Now, what is needed is for everyone, whenever they hear anybody trotting out one of the ose figures, to immediately respond (email, letter to the editor, ring the radio station etc) with the response , and the refrain

An irresponsible person suggested that an A4 poster be made up showing the above information (who's good at designing stuff?). And that a team of viral billstickers post up such posters all over the show, by stealth.

That of course would be most improper and we could not possibly approve of it. So if anyone hears of someone who might be available to do such a thing, please PM me your name (sorry, their name) so that I can dissuade them from such naughtiness.

(BTW I am technically an accountant and I do understand discount present value and such like, so I do sort of understand where the numbers come from. Doesn't matter, ACC are using them as a weapon to tax us off the roads, we are justified in making them look silly. Joe Q Public , that deep and incisive thinker , doesn't understand acturial accounting, but he can do arithmetic.)

[PirateJafa]

PM sent - I fear that the university may prove quite vulnerable to this sort of thing. All efforts must be made to prevent such a thing from happening!

[MSTRS]

Oh, what a naughty idea. Certainly not one that I could approve of. I shall have to take a note of all the places that such a thing might be put. To ensure that if any do appear, that I report to the 'right people' that it has in fact happened.

[Bald Eagle]

PM sent - I fear that the university may prove quite vulnerable to this sort of thing. All efforts must be made to prevent such a thing from happening!


Oh, what a naughty idea. Certainly not one that I could approve of. I shall have to take a note of all the places that such a thing might be put. To ensure that if any do appear, that I report to the 'right people' that it has in fact happened.

I am sure I will have to be vigilant about this type of stationary appearing in the CBD there are a lot of vulnerable lamp posts.

[Brian d marge]

I can do #d cad but I aint no artist

I downloaded some animals , I dont know what you want ,,,, a myopic Rhone charging through some simple numbers

or cockroaches in a decaying ACC

keep it simple Im not that good

here is one rhino ,,,,,

Stephen

[bogan]

hmmm, yes Ill certainly be on the lookout for anything of this despicable nature around massey palmy. Just for my reference be sure to show an example of any such fould devices find, this will greatly aid in any searchs to eliminate such actions.

[Ixion]

One would assume that the perpetrators would include the protest logo as on the T shirts.

And the info from my original post.

Such villany. I'm no artist , but perhaps someone who is could post up what to look out for.

[MSTRS]

Will this treacherous piece of filth have a title?

[Ocean1]

perhaps someone who is could post up what to look out for.

In easy-to-print *.doc format, the more easily to spread the message about these anti-social persons.

[Ixion]

Will this treacherous piece of filth have a title?

"ACC numbers reliable? Yeah, right"

maybe

[MSTRS]

I was thinking of Rolf Harris....Trust ACC? Sure can't.

[Ixion]

That sounds good.

[kb_SF1]

Les hi, do you know if it bis only road registered bikes being quoted in the acc stats or are all bike statistics included, track racing, moto-x, enduro, recreation off road etc?
I am writing a submission, don't expect to change anything but might help.

[Oakie]

"ACC numbers reliable? Yeah, right"

maybe

Damn! I have that Tui advert template at work. Best I password protect it tomorrow so no one accesses it and makes such a reprehensible sign.
God. I've just realised I have my work laptop at home and can dial in to access that this evening. Whew!

[davereid]

Its already happened. Some bastard has stuck this on my van. I must get around to taking it off.

[MSTRS]

Well fuck me. Happened here too.

[Ixion]

Les hi, do you know if it bis only road registered bikes being quoted in the acc stats or are all bike statistics included, track racing, moto-x, enduro, recreation off road etc?
I am writing a submission, don't expect to change anything but might help.

A contentious point.

In theory there are two funds. Road vehicles, funded by fuel and our rego levies. And sport, funded by taxation.

moto-x, scrambles, and other recreational off road stuff, claims SHOULD be met from the sport account.

Problem is, if a battered motorcyclist is wheeled into A&E , most of the time the nurse or orderly filling out the form just writes "Motorcycle accident". So it goes into the road figures , regardless.

There *is* a way on the form to indicate that it's not a road accident, but it's so obtuse that mostly it isn't used.

We have advice that Waikato A&E surveyed this some years ago, and found that 80% of A&E casualties were recreational (believable - every weekend the offroaders have someone with an injury). Yet recreational only accounts for 9% in the ACC figures.

We also have anecdotal evidence of people who have seen it put down wrong.

[Jantar]

ACC figures are reliable

[Brian d marge]

Heres a quickie i knocked up

Stephen

[Ixion]

I suppose the villainous bill stickers use those cans of spray adhesive from warehouse stationery ?

A quick spray, slap up the poster and they're off. What is the world coming to.

[dipshit]

All valid points except this one i think.


"Bikes are 16 times more dangerous than cars". From a household travel survey done in 1998. It compares DISTANCE TRAVELLED . It doesn't prove that bikes are 16 times as dangerous, it proves that cars travel 16 times as many kilometres as bikes.

Dividing motorcycle accidents by the number of registered bikes gives motorcyclists around 3 times the risk.

Dividing motorcycle accidents by the fewer kms travelled by your typical bike compared to your typical car increases the risk factor again.

Small number of bikes travelling fewer kilometres each on average compared to cars, yet costing about 1/3rd of cars.

Motorcyclists are having the number of accidents they are having... *in those fewer kilometres travelled*

[monkeymcbean]

I wonder if 'TUI' beer would get behind such a villianous bit of political standing?
Huge posters with snipets of the real truth to the ACC statistics.
Not to much information for people to read as they drive past the billboards on there 'slow' traffic jammed journey to work.

[Dan Mapp]

Its already happened. Some bastard has stuck this on my van. I must get around to taking it off.

Some how that pdf file attached it self to my address book and mailed it self out.
I must sort that out.

[klingon]

Tsk tsk. I'm glad I don't know anyone naughty enough to do stuff like that. :no:

Meanwhile...


Trust ACC? Sure can't.

I will also be keeping a lookout for people with large pieces of chalk scrawling this on footpaths around the central city. It's not quite as naughty as the billstickers but it's still pretty naughty. <_<

[yungatart]

My my!!
People sticking up bills, scrawling on concrete paths with chalk and sending emails to all their contacts...tsk tsk!
The youff of today! So badly behaved....

[klingon]

My my!!
People sticking up bills, scrawling on concrete paths with chalk and sending emails to all their contacts...tsk tsk!
The youff of today! So badly behaved....

I agree, Tart! It's enough to make one waggle one's finger. :nono:

[yungatart]

I agree, Tart! It's enough to make one waggle one's finger. :nono:

And purse one's lips....

I sincerely hope that no one would do anything like that, I mean we bikers have a reputation to uphold...can't have folk thinking we are literate and intelligent, now can we?

[twotyred]

A contentious point.

In theory there are two funds. Road vehicles, funded by fuel and our rego levies. And sport, funded by taxation.

moto-x, scrambles, and other recreational off road stuff, claims SHOULD be met from the sport account.

Problem is, if a battered motorcyclist is wheeled into A&E , most of the time the nurse or orderly filling out the form just writes "Motorcycle accident". So it goes into the road figures , regardless.

There *is* a way on the form to indicate that it's not a road accident, but it's so obtuse that mostly it isn't used.

We have advice that Waikato A&E surveyed this some years ago, and found that 80% of A&E casualties were recreational (believable - every weekend the offroaders have someone with an injury). Yet recreational only accounts for 9% in the ACC figures.

We also have anecdotal evidence of people who have seen it put down wrong.

they do separate them in their own stats... these figures would make a good handout...

- Rugby Union $40.041 million
- Soccer $14.156 million
- Netball $11.496 million
- Rugby League $10.648 million
- Cycling $10.447 million
- Swimming $10.055 million
- Horse Riding $9.14 million
- Motocross & Dirt Biking $ 8.17 million
- Skiing $8.004 million
- Motorcycling $7.227 million

[wingrider]

ACC figure are reliable

I posted in another thread

Tui Bill Board

Another Cash Crises

Yea Right

[slofox]

For what it's worth Ixion, I have done just what you suggest in a couple of emails to Nat MP's. I have asked directly that they address their figures.

No reply so far...funny that.

[martybabe]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/picture.php?albumid=116&pictureid=33268

[Ixion]

I LIKE that cartoon. How can we get that out in public . Did you draw that Mr MB?

[Ixion]

Great numbers and strategy. How about forwarding these to selected talkback radio jocks? I reckon Close Up and Campbell Live could be up for a second crack at this. There's nothing the media likes more than controversy -- and dodgy stats are controversy's viagra.

Having seen ACC squirming publicly on national TV, I'd quite like to see that some more.

I gonna buy a couple of little kiddie arithmetic books . And send/give on to John Key. And any ACC bod I can find . Just need the right opportunity.

[Ixion]

Oh, BTW, BRONZ is going to do a press release formally disassociating itself from the viral billstickers campaign, because it is unlawful. Whilst recognising and sympathsising with the anger and frustration underlying the campaign.

[bogan]

I LIKE that cartoon. How can we get that out in public . Did you draw that Mr MB?

I can't see any cartoon, is it a private profile pic or summat?

[Ixion]

Eh? The honking big picture in post #31 ?

Am I the only one who can see it?

Is this a sign from Above? Is the finger of destiny resting upon me?

Wozzanmae of Lourdes started with less.

[paddy]

In easy-to-print *.doc format, the more easily to spread the message about these anti-social persons.

How about in easy to print PDF format. Not everyone uses Microsoft Office and the poster doesn't need to be modified by the person printing it.

[bogan]

Eh? The honking big picture in post #31 ?

Am I the only one who can see it?

Is this a sign from Above? Is the finger of destiny resting upon me?

Wozzanmae of Lourdes started with less.

yeh cant see it, went to his member page and theres a pic of a biker swordfighting acc, thats the pic that shud be here i suppose. A cool pic, despite the obvious irresponsiblitiyness. Trying to get in contact with a mate of mine doing design in welli, hes good at this sort of thing, have to make sure he wont be making any viral pictures or anything.

[nothingflash]

"ACC numbers reliable? Yeah, right"

maybe

10char

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[Brian d marge]

OK finished the latest Poster for the campaign

Stephen

[MSTRS]

See You Next Tuesday Sweetie....

[k2w3]

"Bill Stickers Will Be Prosecuted"

Bill Stickers Is Innocent!

[craisin]

no need to be shy.
false numbers is fraud and its all leading up to the Govt unfairly extorting us with false pretenses

[Littlewheels]

Its on my cars as well

[Ixion]

I thnk it's disgraceful the way that companies have no social conscience.

I went to Warehouse Stationery and asked them to remove all the cans of spray on adhesive from sale, because they make the sticking up of these disgraceful posters so easy

And they refused !

It's an affront to all right thinking people like me. Their refusal to accept social responsibility for what they sell, means that these disgraceful viral billstickers can just go in and buy a can of 3M spray adhesive for $17.95, and then sticking up their disgraceful posters is disgracefully easy.

It's disgraceful, that's what it is.

[klingon]

Ixion, I notice that you have changed your title from 'sweet innocent old man' to 'infuriating old git.' Coincidence?

[Ixion]

We must move with the times.

[PirateJafa]

Indeed. We live in Interesting Times, it would appear.

[Brian d marge]

We must move with the times.

A slight change

we are all Doomed !

Stephen

[retro asian]

A slight change

we are all Doomed !

Stephen

LOL. That is Epic.

[Brian d marge]

LOL. That is Epic.

I like that one myself

Stephen