ACC backdown

[wingrider]

TV! 6pm. Just been informed there is meant to be a backdown from ACC
Not verified

Nothing on stuff or anywhere to confirm as yet

[Oakie]

Holding my breath...

[BiK3RChiK]

Which channel? both TV3 and TV1???

[wingrider]

only told TV1

[McJim]

Yeah but is the back down on bikes or on all the other shite they pulled out of the bag?

[StoneY]

Yeah but is the back down on bikes or on all the other shite they pulled out of the bag?

Fuck the rest of them, as long as they back off bikes I will be happy
( i dont mean that, really)

[Ixion]

I suspect this may relate to a ministerial ordered review of the new policies around sensitive claims . Don't get your hopes up.

[NighthawkNZ]

its for sex abuse victims

[Drogen Omen]

its only a rethink on the sex abuse victims.

thats what the highlights say.

[riffer]

Hmmm. Maybe we need 50 female motorcyclists to protest outside parliament.

[McJim]

The back down is only on their policy IRO sex abuse victims.....do we count if we can prove we've all been butt-fucked by ACC and National?

[Zuki lover]

They better back all the way down..................:argh:

[NighthawkNZ]

They better back all the way down..................:argh:

we need all the seperate groups that ACC are targeting to come togther... and show every one no cuts or levy hikes are truly required...

[James Deuce]

They better back all the way down..................:argh:

Why? What are you going to do?

[wingrider]

Sorry for getting ya hopes up.
As I said it was not verified.

BUT

It shows that there starting to worry perhaps as to all the negative fallout.

LETS KEEP ON KEEPING ON

[Brian d marge]

Spanker Smith did say at the Nelson bikoi m that the Government probably wouldn't endorse such big hikes

Just after the coward came out with his kid on his back ,,,,just in case

I m sure ,,,,,,

Stephen

[R6_kid]

its only a rethink on the sex abuse victims.

So they aren't going to rape us after all? :crazy:

[Mom]

I suspect this may relate to a ministerial ordered review of the new policies around sensitive claims . Don't get your hopes up.

I dont care, we should still take it to them none the less :yes:

[BiK3RChiK]

Am I correct is hearing only 4000 signers of their petition? Surely we can get more petitioners than that.... although, I do admit, the emotional impact of being a sexual abuse victim would have a lot of impact...

[FJRider]

Hmmm. Maybe we need 50 female motorcyclists to protest outside parliament.

50 angry women protesting ... I'd back down too .... :pinch:

[Brian d marge]

The ACC bill is in it first reading tonite
Stephen

possibly now

[Laxi]

public support! its ok to think the leather clad, chain wearing, whisky guzling bikers deserve it
EDIT: sorry fatt max didn't mean to use you as an example:lol:

[k2w3]

You forgot "crap-spelling"

[Laxi]

sorry please apply else-where! we already have a site pain in the ass spell-checker:bleh:

[Naki Rat]

The ACC bill is in it first reading tonite
Stephen

possibly now

It passed its first reading about an hour back (http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=165306) :(
69 votes to 53 with ACT and the Maori parties backing National.

[Brian d marge]

It passed its first reading about an hour back (http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=165306) :(
69 votes to 53 with ACT and the Maori parties backing National.

I am still catching up ,,,here in Tokyo

Stephen

and here it is ,,,,,,
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2009/0090/latest/DLM2417504.html

[sunhuntin]

i wonder if the 8 and 6 year old girls who were attacked by that rapist in auckland will be permitted counselling?

[NighthawkNZ]

i wonder if the 8 and 6 year old girls who were attacked by that rapist in auckland will be permitted counselling?

touchy subject... but to the counsellors I am sure they will be saying yes they do...

[Cloggy]

It passed its first reading about an hour back (http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=165306) :(
69 votes to 53 with ACT and the Maori parties backing National.

Not all bad news though is it:

"The amendments will set a final date for fully funding the residual claims liabilities of 31 March 2019 for the Work and Earners’ Accounts and 30 June 2019 for the Motor Vehicle Account."

That means the levies don't need to go through the roof right? The original date set was 2014.

[awayatc]

its only a rethink on the sex abuse victims.

.


Doesn't getting shafted counts as sex abuse.......?

[Brian d marge]

Not all bad news though is it:

"The amendments will set a final date for fully funding the residual claims liabilities of 31 March 2019 for the Work and Earners’ Accounts and 30 June 2019 for the Motor Vehicle Account."

That means the levies don't need to go through the roof right? The original date set was 2014.

As in paid off,,,, of top of head ,,someone please correct , the levies kick in next year

if its passed

Stephen

[Paul in NZ]

So they aren't going to rape us after all? :crazy:

Lets hope not, we couldnt get any compo for rape now...

[Zuki lover]

Why? What are you going to do?

Be tough like you and fight to the end :angry2::angry2::angry2:

[sunhuntin]

touchy subject... but to the counsellors I am sure they will be saying yes they do...

this is exactly why the acc cannot cut counselling. while the kids may appear to get over it, it will hit them later on down the track.

[twotyred]

Sorry for getting ya hopes up.
As I said it was not verified.

BUT

It shows that there starting to worry perhaps as to all the negative fallout.

LETS KEEP ON KEEPING ON

just reinforcing the discrimination,I'm afraid...

[Xaria]

Not all bad news though is it:

"The amendments will set a final date for fully funding the residual claims liabilities of 31 March 2019 for the Work and Earners’ Accounts and 30 June 2019 for the Motor Vehicle Account."

That means the levies don't need to go through the roof right? The original date set was 2014.

So what changes are really going to happen between 31 March and 30 June? Why not make it all on the same date. 1 April like everything else they do. The government does like its April fools jokes.

[klingon]

It passed its first reading about an hour back (http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=165306) :(
69 votes to 53 with ACT and the Maori parties backing National.

The Maori Party always said it was going to support the bill through its first reading so this is to be expected.

[Bullitt]

So what changes are really going to happen between 31 March and 30 June? Why not make it all on the same date. 1 April like everything else they do. The government does like its April fools jokes.

Government balance date is 30 June so its the 31 March date that makes less sense.

[Ixion]

First readinbg?

Next stage is Select Committee?

Public can make submissions? or does urgency abolish that?

What is Maori Party position on bike levies. They are strangly silent. Even more silent are Labout party


Does anyone know where I can source a tumbril?

The next two weeks are going to be rather exciting. I haven't been this motivated in years. The spirit of Jock Barnes is moving upon the water. Bugger I wish I'd listened to him closer.

All we need now are some 44 gallon drums, and some policemen with linked arms.

[Brian d marge]

First readinbg?

Next stage is Select Committee?


Does anyone know where I can source a tumbril?


Paris has a few lying about

A good friend Sydney Carton has been in one , a good and rather cheap form of upper class transport

As for the select committee , see the resource thread for the Committee brief ,,, the make up isn't good ( they even have a insurance expert on it )

its not a committee to see if the costs can be contained , its a see if we can privatize this puppy !

Submissions , while well needed , may be useless

A public shaming and ,,,loss of votes , may be the only way

Stephen

[Ixion]

Yeah, I know , select committee's a setup. Wasn't planning on getting much out of it. Except maybe for one little point.

Select committee, what laws relate to it? It's part of parliament , right? Under the control of the Speaker? or ordinary cops?

[Brian d marge]

Doesn't the chair of the committee ( David Caygil) report to the Speaker of the house ( Lockwood Smith ...who is doing a great Job as speaker ! )

Stephen

[Ixion]

Well, personally I wish he'd shut up.

What I mean is , if some hypothetical person caused a bit of hows'y'father (NOT ME: I am totally innocent - just a sweet gentle innocent old man ) are they limited to the ordinary law? Or do they have special punitive powers. I seem to remember people being thrown into the Tower on the orders of Mr Speaker . Admittedly that was a few years ago.

[Brian d marge]

Well, personally I wish he'd shut up.

What I mean is , if some hypothetical person caused a bit of hows'y'father (NOT ME: I am totally innocent - just a sweet gentle innocent old man ) are they limited to the ordinary law? Or do they have special punitive powers. I seem to remember people being thrown into the Tower on the orders of Mr Speaker . Admittedly that was a few years ago.

One assumes common law , but i will check

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

http://www.elections.org.nz/democracy/concepts/representative-democracy/mps-make-decisions.html

any help?

Stephen

[Ixion]

No. That is just about MPs . The speaker is a dude of another colour. I need to know, if a hypothetical random , say, rode into a select committee meeting, crapped on the agenda, and done a burn out on the carpet, can they just call the cops, or do they have their own ability to clobber said hypothetical random

Do please note that this is a hypothetical random. Not me. I am just a sweet gentle innocent old man.

[Brian d marge]

ok you need lawyering up

So far I can find this .( section seven ) its a start

bbut I think the final say is down to the staff at the beehive is security is an issue

I will wade through and see if an older gent pushing a Tumbril can legally enter Poos hunny house

Stephen

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/New_Zealand_Bill_of_Rights_Act

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1990/0109/latest/DLM224792.html

[Brian d marge]

9 Right not to be subjected to torture or cruel treatment
Everyone has the right not to be subjected to torture or to cruel,
degrading, or disproportionately severe treatment or punish­
ment.


from the bill of rights

and not being able to ride my motorbike ...is exactly????

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

wot about this Mister

Do I need permission to hold a protest in the grounds of Parliament?

Yes. Groups or individuals who want to hold a protest in Parliament grounds must have the Speaker’s permission. You must apply for the Speaker’s permission by email or in a letter.


Send an email to the Speaker’s office using the email contact link on the right of this page.
Send a letter to the Speaker’s office: Office of the Speaker, Parliament House, Wellington 6160, New Zealand

Stephen