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Hitcher

29th October 2009, 21:15

Some perspective is needed here.

If there is a spectrum of motorcycle apparel that ranges from "Butt naked" at 1 through to fluoro-vested, armoured, flashing-light-adorned, flag-waving helmet wearers as a 10; then most of the tales of woe on the Ride2die site are for cases ranking 3 or less. Don't forget that compulsory helmet-wearing states in the USA can be counted on one's fingers, and that most riding is in summer months by people in t-shirts and sneakers.

Also remember that American citizens aren't covered by ACC, so their decision to ride as they do is more of a conscious choice than perhaps it is for New Zealanders. People will always make their own assessments of risk and act accordingly. It's what we do.

PrincessBandit

29th October 2009, 21:16

That was tasty...

Like your meat raw do you? :shit:

Eeeek, even having seen some of those images before they were really disturbing. Even more so with the blank image squares saying "your picture here". I think I will endeavour to ride to live thank you very much.

I also think it wouldn't be a bad idea for riders (especially new/inexperienced ones) to view some of those photos as they show the reality vs the imagined bulletproof image some people have of themselves. And anyone who thinks it is a romanticised way to go i.e. "died doing what they love" might think again seeing the end results.

Rodney007

29th October 2009, 21:18

old news?

what did you think happens when object A (human) hits object B (truck) traveling at speed X = use your brain you dont need to be showed

PrincessBandit

29th October 2009, 21:35

old news?

what did you think happens when object A (human) hits object B (truck) traveling at speed X = use your brain you dont need to be showed

Too true, for those of us who use our brain. There are those though who don't think through the gory consequences of what happens when soft pulpy human tissue interacts in force with unforgiving large/spiky/heavy/rough/whatever objects.

monkeymcbean

29th October 2009, 21:36

I was directed to this site some while ago, after mentioning seeing a friend do a bit of a slide beside me one day off her bike:mad: I was super surprised at how the cordura clothing she wore bore the brunt of the tarmac, gouging out the armour a bit, but held up, and she got up unharmed.. :hug:

So it was a case where the clothing did come in handy, but there was a pic of some road rash even though they were wearing a motorbike 'mesh' jacket!:eek5:

Rodney007

30th October 2009, 06:34

even after seeing the site, the next day you pretty much forget, then everyone goes back to there stupid street riding ways.

btw hasnt been updated in a long time.......

dipshit

30th October 2009, 08:57

Don't forget that compulsory helmet-wearing states in the USA can be counted on one's fingers

NZ would have been the same if BRONZ had gotten its way.

oldrider

30th October 2009, 09:37

NZ would have been the same if BRONZ had gotten its way.

What's so wrong about personal responsibility and personal choice?

I wear a helmet to protect me from the elements!

Oh, and it will be helpful if something "does" go wrong and I crash as well.

If I could add up all the Km I would have done in 55 years of riding bikes.

Then divide it by the number of times I have needed a helmet due to crashing it would be a lot of Km's per crash!

So the times I needed my helmet for safety is pretty small compared to the number of km ridden!

Mind you not having one in that first instant could shorten the odds!

I ride to ride, crashing is an unplanned by product!

Can't remember when the law came in re crash helmets but up till then I never even owned one!

I am not against crash helmets, I always wear one!

Especially since a fellow I knew fell off his bike while sitting on it in his garage.

He killed himself by banging his head on the little pipe sticking out of the floor, for the garage door bolt!

The first job my helmet does though is protect me from the elements, the second is protect me from the unexpected!

The choice to wear it is mine, to me the law is secondary, it is "my" responsibility to look after my self. That is the point I am trying to make here.

NighthawkNZ

30th October 2009, 09:43

The choice to wear it is mine, to me the law is secondary, it is "my" responsibility to look after my self. That is the point I am trying to make here.

I wear helmet cause it keeps me ears warm

Rodney007

30th October 2009, 09:53

But i think the yank's see it like: If I got a helmet on... noone can see my face to whats the point In trying to look cool..... But with no helmet, people can see me = more cool...

but yeah the smarter ones wear there helmet. not suzuki squid boy lol,own'd

dipshit

30th October 2009, 10:09

What's so wrong about personal responsibility and personal choice?

A lot of motorcyclists have shit for brains. That's what's wrong with personal choice.

You think our ACC is going up high now...!!! Imagine what it would have been like if BRONZ had gotten its way.

dipshit

30th October 2009, 10:26

What's so wrong about personal responsibility and personal choice?

Oh, and personal responsibility. How much personal responsibility do you think you will be exercising when you are vegetable and the state is having to pay someone to wipe your arse for the rest of your life..??

Yeah, look at the big tough motorcyclist. :tugger:

oldrider

30th October 2009, 18:51

A lot of motorcyclists have shit for brains. That's what's wrong with personal choice.

You think our ACC is going up high now...!!! Imagine what it would have been like if BRONZ had gotten its way.

Oh, and personal responsibility. How much personal responsibility do you think you will be exercising when you are vegetable and the state is having to pay someone to wipe your arse for the rest of your life..??

Yeah, look at the big tough motorcyclist. :tugger:

So many men, so many opinions, you expressed yours, I expressed mine! (as we do on KB)

Some people need rules because they are devoid of original thought and unable to make decisions for themselves! :doh:

As motorcyclists, if we (you and I) both fucked up today and became vegetables and the state had to pay someone to wipe our arse's for the rest of our lives!

Your arse wiping would cost the State (ACC) a lot more than mine! :blip:

So who is the greater risk to your precious state, you or me? Obviously, YOU! :spanking:

So why should I be subsidising you! :slap:

BTW, I don't remember claiming to be a big tough motorcyclist but I do confess to the odd wank (as you suggest) during my life!

:tugger: Doesn't bother me when you resort to that sort of attack but if it makes you feel stronger, please feel free to indulge yourself!

Perhaps you should try it occasionally, it might help clear your head of all those "socialistic collective state control thoughts" you keep promoting! :shifty:

nothingflash

30th October 2009, 18:58

Your arse wiping would cost the State (ACC) a lot more than mine! :blip:

I know of a guy who head dived down a stair case on the jars watching Jackass - he's now paralysed from the neck down. ACC paid his care giver $90,000 last financial year plus "benefits".

dipshit

30th October 2009, 19:11

BTW, I don't remember claiming to be a big tough motorcyclist but I do confess to the odd wank (as you suggest) during my life!

I was referring to all those riders that ride around without a helmet on trying to look cool and tough.

Personal responsibility my ass. The only way they could claim to be taking responsibility for themselves is if they signed a waiver that all medical costs and future care giving would be covered out of their own pocket. Yeah right.

Fluffy Cat

30th October 2009, 19:28

Hehe, most non helmet accidents dont make it to OR, so, no rise in ACC. But you can still be useful. Always carry your doner card. Head injuries good for heart, lungs, livers etc. Personally wearing a helmet should be up to the individual. Even more true these days due to the high levels of "education". Bit like informed consent.....hehe......:bleh:

oldrider

30th October 2009, 19:56

I was referring to all those riders that ride around without a helmet on trying to look cool and tough.

Personal responsibility my ass. The only way they could claim to be taking responsibility for themselves is if they signed a waiver that all medical costs and future care giving would be covered out of their own pocket. Yeah right.

ACC took away the right of individuals to be personally responsible!

ACC being a "no blame" scheme means we can't sue anyone for compensation!

(I think) That means ACC can't sue anyone either but the government it seems, can make up their own rules and charge "levies", which is a suit by proxy IMO.

Helen Clark was a prick at this devious "levy" business, John (Helen) Key (spot the difference) has taken up her cause, with even greater gusto!

A "levy" is just another way of expressing a "Clayton" tax!

Somewhere on KB, there is a clip of an intersection in India that looks like total chaos but personal responsibility and consequence means very few accidents!

Try that in "me me dog eat dog, rule book mad and excessive law crazy" New Zealand! Yeah right! (now that's a "real" tui moment)

carver

30th October 2009, 20:09

What's so wrong about personal responsibility and personal choice?

I wear a helmet to protect me from the elements!

Oh, and it will be helpful if something "does" go wrong and I crash as well.

If I could add up all the Km I would have done in 55 years of riding bikes.

Then divide it by the number of times I have needed a helmet due to crashing it would be a lot of Km's per crash!

So the times I needed my helmet for safety is pretty small compared to the number of km ridden!

Mind you not having one in that first instant could shorten the odds!

I ride to ride, crashing is an unplanned by product!

Can't remember when the law came in re crash helmets but up till then I never even owned one!

I am not against crash helmets, I always wear one!

Especially since a fellow I knew fell off his bike while sitting on it in his garage.

He killed himself by banging his head on the little pipe sticking out of the floor, for the garage door bolt!

The first job my helmet does though is protect me from the elements, the second is protect me from the unexpected!

The choice to wear it is mine, to me the law is secondary, it is "my" responsibility to look after my self. That is the point I am trying to make here.

as always, we can agree on the above points

rustic101

30th October 2009, 20:50

oldrider

30th October 2009, 21:26

You pays your money you takes your chance.

I do what I can to avoid or mitigate an accident - However there are just some things that are beyond our control, and at that moment in time I just hope Karma is not waiting for me ;)

The last few were very good, loved the head plant into the back of the truck.

I think that site is like chicken little running around with his head up his arse screaming "motorbikes are dangerous"!

The most danger any of us face in life is "conception", holy shit if we can get through that, motorcycling is a fucking breeze by comparison!

What you think about happens, so I am not going to waste good riding time by thinking about fucking crashing!

I am going to flood my tiny brain with thoughts of RIDING, damn it, RIDING! Magic bloody motorbike riding, I love it!--:ride:--John.

davebullet

31st October 2009, 06:46

Legislation is never about protecting yourself. It is about protecting others from the actions of people too stupid to care.

dipshit

31st October 2009, 09:26

Legislation is never about protecting yourself. It is about protecting others from the actions of people too stupid to care.

Exactly...

Owl

31st October 2009, 18:03

Don't forget that compulsory helmet-wearing states in the USA can be counted on one's fingers.

For sure, if you have five hands.:laugh:

wbks

31st October 2009, 19:27

Like your meat raw do you? :shit:

Eeeek, even having seen some of those images before they were really disturbing. Even more so with the blank image squares saying "your picture here". I think I will endeavour to ride to live thank you very much.

I also think it wouldn't be a bad idea for riders (especially new/inexperienced ones) to view some of those photos as they show the reality vs the imagined bulletproof image some people have of themselves. And anyone who thinks it is a romanticised way to go i.e. "died doing what they love" might think again seeing the end results.So you have to look pretty for the coroner for dying doing what you love to be desirable? Should be personal choice IMO. Its your fuckin body, do what you with it.

dipshit

3rd November 2009, 10:17

What's so wrong about personal responsibility and personal choice?

Here's a good example. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=246341 He was very lucky not to end up a vegetable. And check out his $600,000. hospital bill so far.

Then divide it by the number of times I have needed a helmet due to crashing it would be a lot of Km's per crash!

So the times I needed my helmet for safety is pretty small compared to the number of km ridden!

It only takes one time to fuck up your life.

oldrider

3rd November 2009, 15:42

Here's a good example. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=246341 He was very lucky not to end up a vegetable. And check out his $600,000. hospital bill so far.

It only takes one time to fuck up your life.

I read the piece as you suggested and quote: "I went out riding out of anger"

That whole accident? Has nothing to do with safety! It is all about "stupidity"

The motorcycle is incidental, could have been anything, car, rifle, pushbike, why blame motorcycling and safety equipment!

The guy was a complete incident all on his own! Keep things in perspective!

dipshit

3rd November 2009, 15:50

I read the piece as you suggested and quote: "I went out riding out of anger"

That whole accident? Has nothing to do with safety! It is all about "stupidity"

No shit. And guess what? Around NZ everyday there are going to be some motorcycle accidents. Guaranteed.

Now if BRONZ had gotten its way... and maybe 25% of the motorcycle accidents we have had since the 80's... and the others that will be happening tomorrow and the next day and the next... that the riders weren't wearing a helmet in... how do you think our ACC statistics would look now?

PrincessBandit

3rd November 2009, 16:09

So you have to look pretty for the coroner for dying doing what you love to be desirable? Should be personal choice IMO. Its your fuckin body, do what you with it.

All I'm saying is that there are many people (and young guys would likely make up a large number of those) who don't give a second thought to the fact that they could end up looking like something that the local butcher might have in his shop window. Heaps of posts on kb have been made to the effect of "at least they died doing what they love", and maybe that is better than dying of cancer long and drawn-out, or emphysema. But I doubt many who have written themselves off in a bike accident would, if they could get a second chance, do it all again.....I'm certain they'd do things differently if they could, and live.

wbks

3rd November 2009, 16:16

All I'm saying is that there are many people (and young guys would likely make up a large number of those) who don't give a second thought to the fact that they could end up looking like something that the local butcher might have in his shop window. Heaps of posts on kb have been made to the effect of "at least they died doing what they love", and maybe that is better than dying of cancer long and drawn-out, or emphysema. But I doubt many who have written themselves off in a bike accident would, if they could get a second chance, do it all again.....I'm certain they'd do things differently if they could, and live.Yea I know what you mean. It takes away some of the "romance" (if thats the right word?) of dying in a crash, and dying "with a smile on his face", when you see a split up sack of meat you wouldn't think is human that just happens to be wearing leathers, with a face where it's neck should be and legs 100m down the road.

oldrider

3rd November 2009, 17:47

I read the piece as you suggested and quote: "I went out riding out of anger"

That whole accident? Has nothing to do with safety! It is all about "stupidity"

The motorcycle is incidental, could have been anything, car, rifle, pushbike, why blame motorcycling and safety equipment!

The guy was a complete incident all on his own! Keep things in perspective!

No shit. And guess what? Around NZ everyday there are going to be some motorcycle accidents. Guaranteed.

Now if BRONZ had gotten its way... and maybe 25% of the motorcycle accidents we have had since the 80's... and the others that will be happening tomorrow and the next day and the next... that the riders weren't wearing a helmet in... how do you think our ACC statistics would look now?

Motorcycling was a "victim" here, "the bloody idiot went out and rode in anger" there is no protection equipment available against that level of stupidity!

Why should motorcycling be blamed for that?

With respect I think your response suggests you may have missed my point!

dipshit

3rd November 2009, 18:16

Motorcycling was a "victim" here, "the bloody idiot went out and rode in anger" there is no protection equipment available against that level of stupidity!

Then why would you want to give personal choice to stupid people..??

Don't guys like this need protection from themselves..??

PrincessBandit

3rd November 2009, 18:43

Then why would you want to give personal choice to stupid people..??

Don't guys like this need protection from themselves..??

I didn't know you work for OSH! :msn-wink:

oldrider

3rd November 2009, 20:23

Then why would you want to give personal choice to stupid people..??

Don't guys like this need protection from themselves..??

You are talking about mental health here, nothing to do with motorcycles!

The guy on trial here in NZ for killing that girl with his car, is no different than this guy on the motorbike!

The car and the bike were just the weapons of destruction chosen by madmen!

It could just as well have been something else, gun, knife, spade, fork, whatever!

My point is, these guy's were acting irrationally, they were sick and maybe they did need protection from themselves!

Making rules for "normal" motorcyclists or motorists because of "their" actions would be totally irrelevant.

dipshit

3rd November 2009, 21:16

You are talking about mental health here, nothing to do with motorcycles!

WTF...??? He is just another typical shit for brains motorcyclist!

Every day in NZ there will be a motorcycle accident somewhere. Shit happens. If in 50% or even 25% of these accidents that are going to happen - the riders are not wearing helmets because they had the "right to decide"... we would see much more injuries as a result. Unnecessary and avoidable injuries.

Katman

3rd November 2009, 21:21

WTF...??? He is just another typical shit for brains motorcyclist!

Every day in NZ there will be a motorcycle accident somewhere. Shit happens. If in 50% or even 25% of these accidents that are going to happen - the riders are not wearing helmets because they had the "right to decide"... we would see much more injuries as a result. Unnecessary and avoidable injuries.

Actually.........

I'm starting to see another side to this arguement.

Darwin might not have been as silly as some think.

dipshit

3rd November 2009, 21:48

Darwin might not have been as silly as some think.

Unfortunately Darwinism only kicks in if you get removed from the gene pool before you've had a chance to reproduce.

Guys like that have usually fathered a child by 15.

State homes across the country are full of their offspring.

:whistle:

oldrider

4th November 2009, 06:46

Unfortunately Darwinism only kicks in if you get removed from the gene pool before you've had a chance to reproduce.

Guys like that have usually fathered a child by 15.

State homes across the country are full of their offspring.

:whistle:

Nothing to dispute in the above comments! :wari:

carver

4th November 2009, 18:09

Then why would you want to give personal choice to stupid people..??

Don't guys like this need protection from themselves..??

are you really this stupid?

bring on the cotton wool

ram it down their throats

tell them what best for them

it always works

dipshit

4th November 2009, 20:08

ram it down their throats

tell them what best for them

Sure, why not.

wbks

4th November 2009, 21:59

Sure, why not.Nazi 2.0 or an increase in taxes... Hmmm, how DO I choose?:weep:

carver

5th November 2009, 07:14

Sure, why not.

cause i will ram something down your throat and see if you like it

dipshit

5th November 2009, 20:02

Well with wankers like you around, can you blame them?

wbks

6th November 2009, 06:55

"You can't subsidize responsibility and then expect people to become responsible"

PrincessBandit

6th November 2009, 07:15

cause i will ram something down your throat and see if you like it

I don't think he'd like anything you rammed down his throat :msn-wink: so is probably very glad he lives a long way away from you.

oldrider

6th November 2009, 07:58

"You can't subsidize responsibility and then expect people to become responsible"

Exactly what is wrong with NZ, the nanny state telling us how to live, instead of making us responsible and accountable for ourselves!

There is also not enough delegation of responsibility in the work place either!

That is why so many people in NZ only go to work to eat their lunch, they are bored stiff!

Getting out and riding their bike sets them "free" again, for the moment they are in charge of their own destiny and their own lives!

Now the nanny state is trying to crush and control that last bastion of freedom as well!

Socialism (big government) the architect of mediocrity, a work in progress in NZ! :angry2:

wbks

6th November 2009, 17:41

Exactly what is wrong with NZ, the nanny state telling us how to live, instead of making us responsible and accountable for ourselves!

There is also not enough delegation of responsibility in the work place either!

That is why so many people in NZ only go to work to eat their lunch, they are bored stiff!

Getting out and riding their bike sets them "free" again, for the moment they are in charge of their own destiny and their own lives!

Now the nanny state is trying to crush and control that last bastion of freedom as well!

Socialism (big government) the architect of mediocrity, a work in progress in NZ! :angry2:If they're going to be control freaks like pre-ww2 communists can't we atleast start throwing all the dole bludging, overstaying, tax evading criminal pricks in some gulags?