Michael Laws just loves the spotlight

[Mully]

Now he says we should sterilize the "underclass"


http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3012655/Sterilise-underclass-to-stop-child-abuse-Michael-Laws


"If we gave $10,000 to certain people and said 'we'll voluntarily sterilise you' then all of society would be better off. There'd be less dead children and less social problems.

"Do we really expect these children to become doctors or brain surgeons?"

[Flatcap]

Now he says we should sterilize the "underclass"


http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3012655/Sterilise-underclass-to-stop-child-abuse-Michael-Laws


Cheaper to crush the pill into KFC seasoning

[sugilite]

I swear Laws is turning into Lisa Lewis.

I already had the 'snip', wonder if I can sign up for the 10k anyways, that would pay a few years of rego..... :whistle:

[kiwifruit]

I think its a good idea.

[avgas]

yep - I also think that having a prison island is a good idea.

[JimO]

dont stop at sterilisation, shoot the cunts

[ManDownUnder]

If it takes 10k to help some guys get over their fear around getting the snip then bloody do it. It's basic financial sense and I expect it'll solve a few of society's woes.

I like the idea.

[Mikkel]

Well, as political incorrect as it may be, at least something should be done to stop subsidising the underclass breeding programme.

[Bounce001]

yep - I also think that having a prison island is a good idea.


My preference is White island - it already has under floor heating

[Headbanger]

If the filth would refrain from killing their children then there would be no suggestions of this sort being made.

If they feel they aren't capable of not killing their children, Then they should be paid to kill themselves, and the ten grand can go to the kids.

[Stirts]

How else are these beneficiaries going to get their annual pay rise if you take their ability to have children away!!? :whistle:

[Dave Lobster]

S'funny.. half the retards on the Stuff site seem to think it would be compulsory. It looks to me like they're the ones that should be up for the chop. How fucking hard is it to read the article before jumping to a conclusion?
Unless they're just John Key's one in four that cannot read.

[StoneY]

Shades of National Socialism (Nazi'sm for those who dont know history) methinks

While we are all pissed off at subsidizing the dole bludgers, and the constant loss of innocent lives in certain area's of our society, I cant condone this view

However I am still outraged that no one from the Crew Twins fiasco has ever been convicted....that whole household should have been locked away till one narked the others out

Same with the exosicm in Wainui- fuckin disgraceful

Get some real penalties sorted in Law and we may see a change

[imdying]

Shades of National Socialism (Nazi'sm for those who dont know history) methinksI hope so.... Hitler wasn't wrong, just a little ahead of his time.

[slofox]

Now he says we should sterilize the "underclass"




I presume that means start with him, huh?

[Mikkel]

I hope so.... Hitler wasn't wrong, just a little ahead of his time.

"Hitler had the right idea, he was just an underachiever!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDrgwZsGC9A&feature=related

These days we're seeing something even more insidious than nazism emerging - national populism, napism I suppose.

[Mully]

Is he up for re-election shortly? Seems to be desperately clinging to any bit of attention he can get at the moment.

Maybe since Brian ("He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy") Tamaki has been made King, Laws is going for the Bishop's job.

[Dave Lobster]

Shades of National Socialism (Nazi'sm for those who dont know history) methinks


Not at all. They were doing it without permission. He's proposing to offer them $10,000 to do it voluntarily

How can this be a bad thing??

[scumdog]

Pleeeease, won't somebody please think of the children....:doh:

[The Pastor]

i swear laws is turning into lisa lewis.

I already had the 'snip', wonder if i can sign up for the 10k anyways, that would pay a few years of rego..... :whistle:
about 10 years....

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[peasea]

yep - I also think that having a prison island is a good idea.

Yeah, the North Island.

[SpankMe]

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Bugger! Girlie on the PC again. <_<

As I was saying. The only thing he got wrong was that he said it should be voluntary.

[Kickaha]

Shades of National Socialism (Nazi'sm for those who dont know history) methinks

Eugenics? That was practised long before the Nazi party came along

[tri boy]

He, (Laws) also enjoys time out of the spotlight to take in parks, gardens etc while strolling with his wife and children.
Had a brief chat to him at Virginia Lake in Wanganui over the w/end.
Very pleased that Wanga's local Mayor enjoys, and cherishes the parks of the city.
Seems like a well grounded bloke to me.

[SpankMe]

The Stuff poll is 70% to 30% in favour of his idea.

[Skyryder]

The Stuff poll is 70% to 30% in favour of his idea.


Problem is once ya got the underclass sorted 'who's' they gonna start on next.

Probabley the 30%


Skyryder

[StoneY]

Eugenics? That was practised long before the Nazi party came along

Didnt say the Nazi's invented it did I now ;)

But thanks for the flash word, didnt know that one :Punk:

[Naki Rat]

Didnt say the Nazi's invented it did I now ;)

But thanks for the flash word, didnt know that one :Punk:

Eugenics was trotted out as an idea to breed the violent criminal portion of the population out of existence in the US of A back in the 30's. But then the German man with the funny moustache came along and gave the whole master race thing too much bad press so it was pretty much ditched.

[Dave Lobster]

The Stuff poll is 70% to 30% in favour of his idea.

Only because people in prison don't have access to it to vote ;)

[slowpoke]

yep - I also think that having a prison island is a good idea.

I'm already living that nightmare.......

[McJim]

Prison Island? I was thinking of Auckland Island. No need to supply food or shelter just dump 'em there and forget about it. When you read the headlines it reads like some neo nazi shit but when you drill down into it - it actually appeals to my sense of logic....I too would like the $10,000 backdated coz I have already been speyed (for a Scotsman that means I have consumed copious quantities of Speyside single malt whisky)

At least the comments are not racially prejudiced so that rules out racism. Back home the low socio-economic position is held by white people...schemos in Scotland and chavs in England. Incredibly aggressive individuals. Usually off their faces on smack, speed or booze.

[dipshit]

Good idea.

A city in the US tried this once. It set up mobile clinics in certain areas of town and offered $50 to get yourself sterilised. (as that was how much a hit of crack was worth) They had lots and lots of takers until the PC brigade put a stop to it. :slap:

[avgas]

"Hitler had the right idea, he was just an underachiever!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDrgwZsGC9A&feature=related

These days we're seeing something even more insidious than nazism emerging - national populism, napism I suppose.
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[kiwirach83]

I wonder what how many death threats Laws has in comparison to Sue Bradford

[sugilite]

Like I said, he has studied Lisa Lewis school of self promotion, now his office is in on the act :lol:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3260457/Praise-for-Laws-traced-to-his-own-firm

[Mully]

Like I said, he has studied Lisa Lewis school of self promotion, now his office is in on the act :lol:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3260457/Praise-for-Laws-traced-to-his-own-firm

Oh, he's so sending them himself.

Roffle indeed.

[SixPackBack]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10634534

Someone put him out of our misery.....What a giant COCK!

[Headbanger]

Good on him, Takes some balls to stand up for the will of the people and to take a stand against racist pandering.

And of course, its not only the will of the people, But the law.


"I have confirmed with the Minister of Land Information's office this afternoon that the official name of Wanganui is still 'Wanganui'. That the legislative law change required to gazette any new variant has not been passed by Parliament.

[Jonno.]

"It would be far better for this appalling underclass to be offered financial inducements not to have children, given the toxic environment that they would provide for any child in their care ... this is the group most likely to place their children in harm's way and to be killed and/or abused.

"There are too many people who should not have children."

[SS90]

Every now and then he does do some silly things that make me cringe, but let's face it, he doesn't (seem) to be doing anything underhanded that makes him money, he does GENUINELY seem to be acting in the best interests of his community, and, it seems the majority support him.

I see it as he is trying to make a stand against "pc overkill" legislature. That does nothing except seperate us all, cost millions (yes, millions) simply to change sign names.

To me it is farcical, the citizens don't want it changed (we all know the debate about why/why not), should that not be enough?

For example, the Maori name for Christchurch is "Otutahi" (sp), what would happen if the local iwi said, hey, screw that, we want it changed.

There are alot more people in Christchurch that would be quite irate, the same with Wellington, or Auckland (these aren't Maori names at all, and, it could be said that there are valid reasons for changing their names to the Maori terminology (what ever that is, I have no idea)

Why pick on a small city THAT ALREADY HAS A MAORI NAME?

I suggest this is all some sort of political revenge against Mr Laws.

He is there to act the best interests of the people of his town. It seems like he is to me.

I don't agree with everything he says (far from it), but from what I read, when it comes to Wanganui, he is doing his job better than many other officials.

[SixPackBack]

"It would be far better for this appalling underclass to be offered financial inducements not to have children, given the toxic environment that they would provide for any child in their care ... this is the group most likely to place their children in harm's way and to be killed and/or abused.

"There are too many people who should not have children."

Pity that option was not available to Law's parents.

[Dave Lobster]

Pity that option was not available to Law's parents.

Presumably you'd do his job differently to how he's doing it?
You wouldn't run with the wishes of the people that voted you in?
Who's the cock really?

[peasea]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10634534

Someone put him out of our misery.....What a giant COCK!

Can't possibly agree with you there. Why is Laws a cock in this instance?

On the face of it he's doing what his community wants and I say good on him. If I were a ratepayer in Wongers I'd vote for the name Wanganui staying as it is with no 'H'. He's actually doing his job and standing up against what is a racist bunch of bullies.

[Headbanger]

Why pick on a small city THAT ALREADY HAS A MAORI NAME?

I suggest this is all some sort of political revenge against Mr Laws.



You need to have a look at the local history, Wanganui is something of a center of strength for the separatist movement. Due to weak civil leaders in the past (thats you Chas you stupid bastard) they have caused significant upset in the town and had there way a number of times. The occupations and vandalism/destruction of public property are prime examples. And of course the siege mentality this placed on the city. This not only invited large numbers of gangs into town but professional protesters to whip up some ill will.

Thanks cunts...and fuck you.

Since Mr Laws was elected much of these weeds found they no longer had a fertile shitpile to sow there misery so they took it National, Picked some weak shit out of the air (The H) and started to cry about it until it reached the upper levels (and we all know the Government just loves to open up and swallow for these little issues, after all they need the support of the undemocratic and racist Maori seats), and bingo, Democracy denied due to the skin colour of a tiny minority.

Fuck you NZ, Its no wonder your hard working sons and daughters go to Aussie. All this crap has a massive negative impact for the town.

[SixPackBack]

Can't possibly agree with you there. Why is Laws a cock in this instance?

On the face of it he's doing what his community wants and I say good on him. If I were a ratepayer in Wongers I'd vote for the name Wanganui staying as it is with no 'H'. He's actually doing his job and standing up against what is a racist bunch of bullies.

Law's is the consummate politician. Find an innocuous subject that serves no purpose or significance and rally the general public..........Law's will be remembered for the 'H' in wanganui and fuck all else. Useless twat!

Interestingly when using spell check over wanganui it suggest 'wanking' hahahah.

[Ronin]

Law's is the consummate politician. Find an innocuous subject that serves no purpose or significance and rally the general public..........{snip}Useless twat!
{snip}

Kinda reminds me of someone.... Oh yeah, thats who.

[candor]

His maniacal rants, over trivia, make me want to section him and throw him in the bin. The egotistical Rhacist. Is it just a show for him and does anyone know what in his childhood made him such a megalomaniac?

[peasea]

Law's is the consummate politician. Find an innocuous subject that serves no purpose or significance and rally the general public..........Law's will be remembered for the 'H' in wanganui and fuck all else. Useless twat!

Interestingly when using spell check over wanganui it suggest 'wanking' hahahah.

He's rolling with the public's wishes. Rare for a politician. If he's making some mileage out of it then so what?
I'd rather that than some dork building monuments to himself with other people's money, he doesn't appear to have done much of that.

[dogsnbikes]

I'd rather that than some dork building monuments to himself with other people's money, he doesn't appear to have done much of that.

Just be careful you dont crash into it but Watch this space :innocent:

on another subject the demolintion of the Hell's angels HQ,now that would be rather interesting birds eye veiw from the terrace seats sounds like a great day to have a BYO drinks and BBQ

[Skyryder]

And I see he has ordered the Whanganui signs to be removed.....because the name change has not been gazetted...............It's a lost cause Mr Laws................all ya doing is costing your ratepayers money and making you look silly.

But if it it's good for his ego does he care.

Skyryder

[peasea]

And I see he has ordered the Whanganui signs to be removed.....because the name change has not been gazetted...............It's a lost cause Mr Laws................all ya doing is costing your ratepayers money and making you look silly.

But if it it's good for his ego does he care.

Skyryder

Oh come on, be fair, he has a legal point. Transit is jumping the gun and if you ask me THEY look silly, not Laws. I don't agree with the guy on a lot of things but I think he's got this one right. When the law/rule/regulation (whatever) is passed correctly then he won't have a leg to stand on. Until then, go hard ML.

[Headbanger]

The battle has been lost indeed, Thats no reason to stop the fight.

Once the law change has been done and Mr Laws no longer can order the signs removed, well fuck it, we'll take em down just the same.

[SS90]

And I see he has ordered the Whanganui signs to be removed.....because the name change has not been gazetted...............It's a lost cause Mr Laws................all ya doing is costing your ratepayers money and making you look silly.

But if it it's good for his ego does he care.

Sorry Skyrider, Michael Laws is right to do it, as has been pointed out, it has been gazetted, and therefore, not legal.

OK, it would sem that he has lost the battle, the signs will be changed in due course.


Skyryder

Costing ratepayers money to remove them?

Council workers aren't payed by the job you know.

What cost money ? Transit NZ producing the signs, shipping them, possibly paying a consultant to design them etc.

This H thing will cost NZ as a whole millions (mark my words) for all the things that must be changed.

Screw that, and you all bitch about ACC increases.

[peasea]

The battle has been lost indeed, Thats no reason to stop the fight.

Once the law change has been done and Mr Laws no longer can order the signs removed, well fuck it, we'll take em down just the same.

Good on ya, let me know what size spanner you need and I'll mail you one. (To a postal address in Wanganui, with no 'h', naturally.)
Alternatively, simply have a sign-writer make up some stickers that cover the 'Wh' with a slightly larger 'W' and slap them on every sign with 'Wh' on it. Clean, simple and fast.

[Skyryder]

Oh come on, be fair, he has a legal point. Transit is jumping the gun and if you ask me THEY look silly, not Laws. I don't agree with the guy on a lot of things but I think he's got this one right. When the law/rule/regulation (whatever) is passed correctly then he won't have a leg to stand on. Until then, go hard ML.

Yes from the legal point he has every right. I might add that I was against putting in the H..............but lets face it..........Laws is fighting a reargard action and when it comes down to that it's a lost cause. It looks like spite.

Skyryder

[peasea]

Yes from the legal point he has every right. I might add that I was against putting in the H..............but lets face it..........Laws is fighting a reargard action and when it comes down to that it's a lost cause. It looks like spite.

Skyryder

There's a lot of that (spite) around the Wanganui area it would seem. I don't care whether it's spite or not, Laws has the law on his side with this one. If anything looks like anything it looks like Transit are pandering to the 'h' lobbyists and they are (legally) out of line. When the spelling has gone through the proper procedures and is a done deal then fine, go change the bloody signs. Until then Transit should pull their collective heads in.

[peasea]

Yes from the legal point he has every right. I might add that I was against putting in the H..............but lets face it..........Laws is fighting a reargard action and when it comes down to that it's a lost cause. It looks like spite.

Skyryder

Furthermore; why the fuck is it a lost cause when the majority voted to keep the 'h' out?? Democracy? I don't think so.

[Dave Lobster]

Furthermore; why the fuck is it a lost cause when the majority voted to keep the 'h' out?? Democracy? I don't think so.

Because white votes are one each. Brown ones ten.

[peasea]

Because white votes are one each. Brown ones ten.

Of course, silly me, kiwi democracy is different to any other sort of democracy.
Kinda works the same way in the history classes too.

[Skyryder]

Furthermore; why the fuck is it a lost cause when the majority voted to keep the 'h' out?? Democracy? I don't think so.

Because the Baord is not elected..............and the Wanganui Council have no say in the final decision. You wold need to make this a electroal issue as the Board reports to the Minster of Land. I'm not without sympathy on this but due to the fact that both the main parties arfe going to need maori support to govern, Ii do not see any minister changing the Act for local beneifit nor do I see them resorting to the 'removal' of the H in Wanganui.

Like I said I have sympathy on this but nothing in heaven or hell is going to change the Board's decision.

Laws is making himself look silly. He has such a big ego that it blinds his common sense.

http://www.linz.govt.nz/placenames/about-geographic-board/index.aspx


Skyryder

[peasea]

Because the Baord is not elected..............and the Wanganui Council have no say in the final decision. You wold need to make this a electroal issue as the Board reports to the Minster of Land. I'm not without sympathy on this but due to the fact that both the main parties arfe going to need maori support to govern, Ii do not see any minister changing the Act for local beneifit nor do I see them resorting to the 'removal' of the H in Wanganui.

Like I said I have sympathy on this but nothing in heaven or hell is going to change the Board's decision.

Laws is making himself look silly. He has such a big ego that it blinds his common sense.

http://www.linz.govt.nz/placenames/about-geographic-board/index.aspx


Skyryder

I certainly wouldn't argue with you over the ego thing. However, I stand fast on the signage thing and if I lived (or frequented) Wanganui I'd be out there reinstating signs myself and removing the 'h' or covering it, whatever, until due process is complete.

[Headbanger]

Because the Baord is not elected..............and the Wanganui Council have no say in the final decision.

Like I said I have sympathy on this but nothing in heaven or hell is going to change the Board's decision.

Skyryder

So, whoever has the power has the right?, And the very people that are the city should be denied a voice?

Fuck that shit, Fight the power.

[Skyryder]

So, whoever has the power has the right?, And the very people that are the city should be denied a voice?

Fuck that shit, Fight the power.


I could not agree more. But what are you going to fight with. As I said the Geographic board is responsible to the Minister and the political relaity in NZ at the moment is to cater to Maori. So no Government is going to change the existing decision by the board. Like it or not tha's just the way it is. W'anganui is a lost cause. Anything else and you may as well head butt a wall. It will achieve exactly the same outcome.


Skyyrder

[Headbanger]

I could not agree more. But what are you going to fight with.


Skyyrder

Civil disobedience.

[SS90]

He has such a big ego that it blinds his common sense.

Skyryder

Big ego ? I wouldn't disagree either, but you are forgetting Michael Laws NEEDS a big ego to be able to survive in politics, it is a necessary evil of such positions.

His ego gave him the drive to succeed, and not back down.

Who want's a wimp running a city?

Gosh, why do you think Don Brash got the arse from National?

Ew, who want's a nerdy geek with a mail order bride for a Mayor, let alone a PM?

I would rather have a slightly egoistic person running a city than Don Brash!

The important thing to consider is a politition egoistic, or a narcissist?

There is a big difference.

Egoism is self serving, but that trait does not stand in the way of common good, nacissism does.

If I was living in a New Zealand city that had similar problems to that which Michael Laws inherited, I would not hesitate to vote for him, not even for a second!

All this talk of his comments regarding sterilisation is a little naive......it's simply to a controversial comment, designed to bring the social problems faced in the town to public attention.

I am 100% certain that Michael Laws knew that this would bring out the irrate PC freaks, and bring himself negative publicity, but what's in the news????? Oh, that's right, "LTSA changed the spelling of the town", just think about that for a second...... Wanganui has gang,drug and child abuse problems at a disproportionate level to that of most of New Zealand, and is doing everything he (and his council) can do, to, at the very least, discourage at risk youth form joining the ranks, and all the papers care about is the fact that he exercised his power to "work to rule".

My god, imagine being Michael Laws right now, I suspect he has to have 24 hour security around his home (incase no one knew, gangs in New Zealand occasionally kill people, and, even more frequently bring them, or their family's harm)

As far as I am aware, Michael Laws is the most pro active Mayor (as far as championing the best interests of his community regarding organised crime and intimidation.) I assure you, I would personally not feel confident to make the stands he makes, and I am physically bigger and younger than Mr Laws.

I am certain Michael Laws does not need this job, he has other financial interests, and after 2 terms in Parliament, a healthy pension, and world travel perks.

I wonder, what would happen if Mr Laws "packed it in" next local body election......who would take his place, and, what, if anything would a new Mayor do to continue the fight against organised crime in Wanganui?

What do the local Police in Wanganui think of Michael Laws I wonder.....no way of knowing really, but I suspect, by in large, they would feel that they (at the very least) have an ally in him and his council..... so many elected officials pander to the PC needs of offenders, (in particular youth), and we all hear stories fro the cops of how so many police resources are wasted on at risk youth when they are young offenders, only to have no support from local officials when it comes to things such as restorative justice.

I suspect such a thing (restorative justice) is a big thing in Wanganui.....trying to give these at risk youth some pride in their community (H or no H), so that the things Michael Laws says and does now, will still be remembered in the years to come, not because they where contraversial, but because they made the community stand together.

I just think that if any of us somehow found ourselves in Mr Laws seat, we would crumble under the pressure of office that a town like Wanganui has.

I don't think we need to worry about putting the "H" in Wanganui, I think we need to worry about getting the "P" out!

[SS90]

Law's is the consummate politician. Find an innocuous subject that serves no purpose or significance and rally the general public..........Law's will be remembered for the 'H' in wanganui and fuck all else. Useless twat!


No, that is what unintelligent brain dead simpletons will think.

Those of us that look at the big picture see it differently.

I see Michael Laws as a Politician who acted with the will of his community, not against, like most of the world.

[SixPackBack]

................................."A long rant"..............

I don't think we need to worry about putting the "H" in Wanganui, I think we need to worry about getting the "P" out!

So why worry about the "H'?

If this thread is any indication of the collective mindset shared in WHanganui my last comment on the matter [before unsubscribing] would be that WHanganui throughly deserves law's.

[Dave Lobster]

So why worry about the "H'?

If this thread is any indication of the collective mindset shared in WHanganui my last comment on the matter [before unsubscribing] would be that WHanganui throughly deserves law's.

Maybe they want him too. Which is why they voted for him, rather than you.

[Skyryder]

Big ego ? I wouldn't disagree either, but you are forgetting Michael Laws NEEDS a big ego to be able to survive in politics, it is a necessary evil of such positions.

His ego gave him the drive to succeed, and not back down.

His ego did not help him in National Politics.

Ego has nothing to do with ambition.

In fact Ego has more in common arrogance.

Skyryder

[u4ea]

If certain people want the business owners and residents to pay for an H in Wanganui then those certain people should pay for it too...why waste more tax and money on whining and winging and gimme attitudes!

[Dave Lobster]

why waste more tax and money on whining and winging and gimme attitudes!

Because you have to keep the whiners happy. If you keep ignoring them, they'll go away. And nobody wants that. (!)

[jim.cox]

Mr Laws was a nasty piece of work way back at University

And has remained so ever since...

[SS90]

Ego has nothing to do with ambition.


Skyryder

On this point Skyrider, I am sorry to say, but I feel that you are really "behind the eight ball".

"Ego has nothing to do with ambition", that, quite possibly would be the most ignorant comment I have read from you. (not meant as a personal attack there Skyrider)

How does that work?

Think about it.

Like me, you post your (sometimes) informed opinion on this site. People agree with you, and people don't.

When people post their opinion to the opposite of yours, you maintain your opinion.

There are 3 things requiring an "ego" in this example.

1) Form an opinion

2) Air your opinion in a public forum

3) Maintain your opinion against others who don't agree.

If YOU (or I) han NO ego, then we could not take even ONE of the three steps I outlined.

When an "ego" gets so big that you cannot accept others opinions (or sometimes reality), and you are motivated to pressure (manipulate) others into "thinking your way", then this is a sign of "Narcism".........(well, one of many signs)

Michael Laws a big ego? Yea, that's quite likely. Narcissic? Not really. A Narcissist is unlikely to be a Mayor of a small town who tries to help his community AND supports their wishes...... Most likely the biggest ego (and Narcissist) in Wanganui is going to be the leader of the strongest gang, who does it all for money and self gratification, followed by the control it gives him.

Ego has EVERYTHING to do with ambition, and I would go so far as to say that with-out some level of Egoism, "ambitious, driven" people would fail to exist.

Sigmond Freud even wrote that Egoism was a "healthy trait required for normal development"

I am unsure if you are intimating that you have "no ego" Skyrider, because of you did (have no ego), you would most likely be the only person in the world with-out one!