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dpex
30th October 2009, 13:33
Thank you for your recent email about the Government’s plan to raise motorcycle levies.
The current ACC levy on motorbikes is $252.00.
The Government is proposing to treble that to $735.00 for bikes over 600cc, an increase of just under $500 a year.
That represents the biggest ever increase in ACC levies.
It is unacceptable, it's outrageous, and it's not warranted.
The clear message from the Government is that it wants motorbikes priced off the road.
It ignores the fact that bikers use less petrol, create less pollution, and cause less congestion.
It ignores the fact, too, that nearly two thirds of accidents involving motorbikes are caused by cars.
And what about the people who are motor bike enthusiasts who have a number of bikes, though don't necessarily do high mileage on them? They'll pay an extra $500 on each bike.

ACC Minister Nick Smith keeps saying that this is an insurance scheme and it should be user pays – each category should meet the cost of accidents in that area.

ACC was never designed as a pure user pays insurance system. It was intended as a no-fault comprehensive system of protection for people who suffered injuries.

If it were user pays:
· some occupational areas, like farming, would be priced out of existence
· levies would be charged on sports clubs and schools because it's riskier to play sport than sit on the couch and watch it on TV

· elderly people who have more falls because of frailty would be charged for growing old
· push bikes would pay huge levies because of a high rate of accidents, also often not their own fault
None of that makes sense, and the Government shouldn't be playing one sector of New Zealanders off against another.
The decision is arbitrary on a number of other fronts. The cut-off points in terms of cc ratings do not, for example, take into account the relative power of motorcycles and would treat a vintage 650cc motorcycle as more dangerous than a 250cc modern bike capable of doing more than 200kph.

National is undermining ACC by reducing the scope of entitlements for injured New Zealanders, while it disproportionately hikes up levies for groups like motorcyclists.

To make matters worse, the National/Act/Maori Party government is privatising major parts of ACC. The insurance and management of injuries is being privatised. Instead of being provided by ACC this will be provided by private insurance companies. ACC has very low administration costs. The profits that Australian owned private insurance companies expect to earn have been estimated by Merrill Lynch to total $200million per annum. New Zealanders will end up paying more for less cover.

The government has been claiming ACC is insolvent. But it’s scaremongering. ACC has over $11 billion of reserves and last year collected $1 billion more in levies than it spent on claims.

In Parliament, Labour has and will continue to fight against the unprecedented cost burden that the Government is trying to impose on bikers.

We will work with you to try to get some sense out of the Government and a fair deal for bikers.
New Zealand has the world’s best accident compensation scheme. Labour wants to keep it that way
Thank you for writing on this important issue.
Kind regards

Brian d marge
30th October 2009, 13:42
Thats the same reply as the other labor fella

me thinks a interdepartmental memo is doing the rounds

Still god effort
Stephen

Ixion
30th October 2009, 13:44
A lot of that actually repeats what Rick Barker said a week or so ago

Labour just had their caucus meeting, so they've all been given a party line on it.

Which, in this case, is good for us.

Ronin
30th October 2009, 13:45
Result mate.

Bling sent

martybabe
30th October 2009, 13:56
I know it says 'reply from' but as I read down that text I thought it was so pro our cause that it must be the case made by you to be forwarded to Labour (you'll be old one day) and was expecting their reply further down your post.

Now I've got my head in gear that is really quite an encouraging response, their motives maybe questionable (who cares) but the message is positive, let's hope there not just empty words.

Well done you!

AllanB
30th October 2009, 14:13
I still think they will come back and say "after due consideration we are only increasing it a extra $200 a year".

The motorcycle community will think they have won and pat each other on the back.

There is no requirement to increase it at all.

Ixion
30th October 2009, 14:19
So, our broad demand should be parity with cars.

Winching back the increase we take as a "Thanks, but small thansk, we want parity" ?
Yes ?

tommygun
30th October 2009, 15:09
Parity should be the ultimate goal (demand) no change the acceptable alternative. IMO

AllanB
30th October 2009, 16:19
Parity should be the ultimate goal (demand) no change the acceptable alternative. IMO

Correct - the entire ACC system is not meant to be a user pays one - everyone who pays in some form subsidizes everyone else.

dpex
30th October 2009, 16:33
Correct - the entire ACC system is not meant to be a user pays one - everyone who pays in some form subsidizes everyone else.

Short of resorting to yelling!!!! How do I make the point clear that NO registered road-user should be paying an extra levy, OF ANY SORT!

The facts are clear. All registered road-users claimed less than $400 million in the last financial year. Total payouts exceeded $24 BILLION. $400 million is one fifth of one percent of $24 billion.

Registered road-users are the only group paying a targeted ACC levy. Why? We cost the system less than 0.02%.

Moreover, we also pay 5.8 cents in every litre in extra ACC levy.

We should be paying NO ADDITIONAL ACC levy at all.

In other words we shouldn't be asking for fairness as regards the proposed increases, we should be demanding, within the reasonable rules of democracy, to have ALL EXTRA ACC LEVIES REMOVED!!!!!

Jesus! What don't you get about being responsible for claiming less than 0.02% of the ACC budget, yet paying a cynical levy?????

JohnR
30th October 2009, 16:46
Short of resorting to yelling!!!! How do I make the point clear that NO registered road-user should be paying an extra levy, OF ANY SORT!

The facts are clear. All registered road-users claimed less than $400 million in the last financial year. Total payouts exceeded $24 BILLION. $400 million is one fifth of one percent of $24 billion.

Registered road-users are the only group paying a targeted ACC levy. Why? We cost the system less than 0.02%.

Moreover, we also pay 5.8 cents in every litre in extra ACC levy.

We should be paying NO ADDITIONAL ACC levy at all.

In other words we shouldn't be asking for fairness as regards the proposed increases, we should be demanding, within the reasonable rules of democracy, to have ALL EXTRA ACC LEVIES REMOVED!!!!!

Jesus! What don't you get about being responsible for claiming less than 0.02% of the ACC budget, yet paying a cynical levy?????

dpex for PM...or at least Minister of ACC:jerry: