Fuckin USELESS parents...

[ajturbo]

was looking on stuff this morning....

this jumped out at me...


"Call for minimum age of 14 to own cellphones"


err... can anyone tell me

WHO THE FUCK BUYS the phone in the first place or, who gives them the money to be ABLE to buy it...????

your kids, you have control....!!!

or am i just too old to work this out....

or do i thank HC ???:bash:

[McJim]

Gen Y is having offspring. They had no control and so cannot apply control to their kids. This is the result.

[Trudes]

Agreed. Just say NO. It won't kill them, in fact, they love it!!!

[StoneY]

was looking on stuff this morning....

this jumped out at me...


"Call for minimum age of 14 to own cellphones"


err... can anyone tell me

WHO THE FUCK BUYS the phone in the first place or, who gives them the money to be ABLE to buy it...????

your kids, you have control....!!!

or am i just too old to work this out....

or do i thank HC ???:bash:


actually bro all my kids have cellphones, and we top up the text fill every month

I like them to be able to get in touch and say 'Dad, need ya, Dad come get me , Dad, HELP'

Its not a bad thing if managed right bro

[laserracer]

I say give the little darlings as many phones as they want .....JUST ... gut the insides ... so its only a shell ...:gob::yes::shifty:...i suppose some of them might be mature enough, but what about the ones that are text bullied, cant handle it, and go on to self harm issues or eating disorders..i agree that they can be a very useful device as far as safety is concerned ....BUT.. they can be damaging and harmful in the wrong hands

[JimO]

actually bro all my kids have cellphones, and we top up the text fill every month

I like them to be able to get in touch and say 'Dad, need ya, Dad come get me , Dad, HELP'

Its not a bad thing if managed right bro

same here....

[ajturbo]

Its not a bad thing if managed right bro

THAT is the problem....

your kids... your control..

you manage them!!!!!!!

Luke only got a cell ph (from me) while we were over seas last year, in case he got lost...(i tried so hard.. but i couldn't loose him...:bash:)

[StoneY]

Gen Y is having offspring. They had no control and so cannot apply control to their kids. This is the result.

Something funny going on...im agreeing with McJimmy way too often these days :shutup:

But yeah, I must be Gen W then:Oops:
:laugh:

[JimO]

i dont see how providing a phone for kids is a big deal when there are REAL fucken useless parents out there that dont provide anything, beat and kill their kids

[Mumbles]

I like them to be able to get in touch and say 'Dad, need ya, Dad come get me , Dad, HELP'

Its not a bad thing if managed right bro

Yeah and cell phone is much, much lighter than a Para 40 with 16 rounds in it - Fits in your pocket easer to.... maybe I should have saved this post to the firearm thread... :Oops:

[duckonin]

actually bro all my kids have cellphones, and we top up the text fill every month

I like them to be able to get in touch and say 'Dad, need ya, Dad come get me , Dad, HELP'

Its not a bad thing if managed right bro

Fuck me you must have a good income!!:yes:, we were kids once also, did not need a cell phone as all in the town you grew up in knew who you were, there was no escape, your old man knew where you were, and he knew before you got home if you had got into mischief, and if you had you got the :bash:

[nothingflash]

Fuck me you must have a good income!!:yes:, we were kids once also, did not need a cell phone as all in the town you grew up in knew who you were, there was no escape, your old man knew where you were, and he knew before you got home if you had got into mischief, and if you had you got the :bash:

Yep - I never could work out how he knew that almost every time. He used to tell me "I have my spies".

[rainman]

we were kids once also, did not need a cell phone as all in the town you grew up in knew who you were, there was no escape, your old man knew where you were, and he knew before you got home if you had got into mischief, and if you had you got the :bash:

I think that's the key difference; we now live in big impersonal cities where few people know each other, kids have busy schedules, both parents are working, and the streets aren't safe enough for them to walk home when transport arrangements fall through. I grew up in a medium sized town and used to hoon off far and wide on my bicycle (and later on motorcycles) with no cellphone... 'cos they did not exist. Wouldn't let my kids do the same in Auckland though.

This is what the progress of the last 50 years has got us - poorer, more stressed, less safe, less community, more inequality. Unless you are part of the wealthy elite, of course - in which case you're richer financially.

Sucks eh?

[ajturbo]

Yep - I never could work out how he knew that almost every time. He used to tell me "I have my spies".
that bastard got around... i think he stalked me all around NZ...

all i can say about my child hood...is..
OUCH

[Patrick]

actually bro all my kids have cellphones, and we top up the text fill every month

I like them to be able to get in touch and say 'Dad, need ya, Dad come get me , Dad, HELP'

Its not a bad thing if managed right bro

Mine too. For exactly the same reasons.:yes:

[XRVrider]

Cell phones are not necessary for kids... if they want em they can get an after school job, like all kids should have, and pay for em themselves. 99% of the time they will text all their mates all sorts of bullshit, and you might get one text to say they will be late home from their mates house. They play with them like a toy... an expensive money eating toy.

[Laava]

Then you have to maintain the cost until they get a job.
When they are 14 the excuse is that they can't get a job unless they have a cell phone to be contactable etc. When you give them a cell phone,VOILA! Don't need a job anymore!
When they are 18 they need a cell phone AND a car to get a job. When you provide for them, SAME deal!
They do not need them. They need to be more organised and be waiting at the school gates as organised or be waiting at home for that job ph call after hours etc.
Too much excuse mongering! But hey, some kids are much more responsible than others too so my opinion is of course a sweeping generalisation.

[duckonin]

Mine too. For exactly the same reasons.:yes:

Nope to kids that is reason number one, that gets them the phone!! now it goes reason two and three and four five, six...., Gezzz as parents u should know what your kids are up to or have a bloody good idea as to where they are going, with a ring to old dad from his son "Hi I'm over at my mates" two hours later heading to a party in Hams from Auck's the phone goes again ":Hi I'm still at my mate's...Yeah right them phones are bloody useful alright....:Oops:

[Reckless]

Gen Y is having offspring. They had no control and so cannot apply control to their kids. This is the result.

Is that their fault or our fault for not parenting them right?? Easy to blame society for us letting it happen aye. I'll leave that thought with you all!

My kids earned their phones and did jobs or got jobs for top ups. My 15 year old has had one for a year or so but only now has he started carrying it around all the time. See they pay, its about teaching responsibility and value, its our job as parents to do so. Its only $20 a month for a prepay to keep the texting up. Although we have bought our daughter the odd top up for safety reasons in the past.
But No txting at the table, no texting while we are all sitting around together either, even watching telly. I reckon its ferkin rude to be havin a private conversation with someone else when your supposed to be talkin to the person in front of you! If I get a txt in, in front of someone, I either ignore it or mention generally whats its about. Its bloody rude not to! The phone should always come second to the person or persons your are mixing with. End of story!

[marty]

I think that's the key difference; we now live in big impersonal cities where few people know each other, kids have busy schedules, both parents are working, and the streets aren't safe enough for them to walk home when transport arrangements fall through.


not all of us, and not everywhere.

[rainman]

not all of us, and not everywhere.

Yeah, that's true, some are luckier than others. But my generalisation still holds, I think.

[JimO]

my boys are heavily involved in sport and have either practice or games (sometimes both)on every night and saturdays sometimes sundays so i must be a REAL bad parent because i bought a couple of cheap cars and a vtr250 for them for transport as well as their phones they are top students and excellent sportsmen and i would rather they concentrate on school and their sport than sacrifice one of them for a after school job...its a free world and what works for you doesnt work for other people, if kids with cellphones is you biggest worry you have to get out more

[peasea]

Agreed. Just say NO. It won't kill them, in fact, they love it!!!

Yup; every time a female told me 'no' I loved it, and so did she, eventually.:woohoo:

[ajturbo]

my boys are heavily involved in sport and have either practice or games (sometimes both)on every night and saturdays sometimes sundays so i must be a REAL bad parent because i bought a couple of cheap cars and a vtr250 for them for transport as well as their phones they are top students and excellent sportsmen and i would rather they concentrate on school and their sport than sacrifice one of them for a after school job...its a free world and what works for you doesnt work for other people, if kids with cellphones is you biggest worry you have to get out more
what you are saying is...
that you trust your kids, you have taught them control and having a phone helps them/you... you are not complaining about them using it in the wrong place/time... you have faith in your kids...


what I am complaining about is the parents that ARE complaining that THEIR kids are out of control... and it is everyone else's fault....

[JimO]

what you are saying is...
that you trust your kids, you have taught them control and having a phone helps them/you... you are not complaining about them using it in the wrong place/time... you have faith in your kids...


what I am complaining about is the parents that ARE complaining that THEIR kids are out of control... and it is everyone else's fault....

yes currently my boys are playing cricket for their school as i type, they have a car and 2 cellphones they will text and i will start dinner. i trust them not to speed etc they are good kids and i provide what they need to be good productive humans

[peasea]

what you are saying is...
that you trust your kids, you have taught them control and having a phone helps them/you... you are not complaining about them using it in the wrong place/time... you have faith in your kids...


what I am complaining about is the parents that ARE complaining that THEIR kids are out of control... and it is everyone else's fault....

What is needed here is a complaints dept.

[scumdog]

Fuck me you must have a good income!!:yes:, we were kids once also, did not need a cell phone as all in the town you grew up in knew who you were, there was no escape, your old man knew where you were, and he knew before you got home if you had got into mischief, and if you had you got the :bash:

Same thoughts here.:niceone:

When my kids wanted a cell-phone (as opposed to 'needed' one) I said sure, get an after school job and buy whatever phone you want...worked for me (and them)

[coffeejunkie]

My kid has a phone to keep in touch when she's out just like stoneys.....She asked for one for her bday and thats all she wanted.....she gets her 2000 txt a month and thats it......if she goes over and wants more credit she does stuff for her mum (me) and i top her up again

[ajturbo]

My kid has a phone to keep in touch when she's out just like stoneys.....She asked for one for her bday and thats all she wanted.....she gets her 2000 txt a month and thats it......if she goes over and wants more credit she does stuff for her mum (me) and i top her up again
what we all want to know is...

how the hell did you manage to have a kid... it must have been the same size as you at 2months...!!!!

[coffeejunkie]

what we all want to know is...

how the hell did you manage to have a kid... it must have been the same size as you at 2months...!!!!

:finger: lol, you wanna see the size of her now.....she REALLY makes me look REAL small

[XRVrider]

my boys are heavily involved in sport and have either practice or games (sometimes both)on every night and saturdays sometimes sundays so i must be a REAL bad parent because i bought a couple of cheap cars and a vtr250 for them for transport as well as their phones they are top students and excellent sportsmen and i would rather they concentrate on school and their sport than sacrifice one of them for a after school job...its a free world and what works for you doesnt work for other people, if kids with cellphones is you biggest worry you have to get out more

Dude you must be loaded then, free cars and bikes for your kids. Hope they respect that, and grow up to be independent, either as loaded sportsman or loaded businessman, with a missus or hubby who gets a text and starts dinner.

[Hitcher]

"Call for minimum age of 14 to own cellphones"


You'll find that these are the very same people who have to get the Government to pass a law before they'll stop texting while driving. "Wankers who refuse to accept responsibility for their own actions", I think you'll find they're called.

[Paul in NZ]

You'll find that these are the very same people who have to get the Government to pass a law before they'll stop texting while driving. "Wankers who refuse to accept responsibility for their own actions", I think you'll find they're called.

Thats a fair call but I'd just like to point out that society is to blame for all my faults... :crybaby:

[oldrider]

actually bro all my kids have cellphones, and we top up the text fill every month

I like them to be able to get in touch and say 'Dad, need ya, Dad come get me , Dad, HELP'

Its not a bad thing if managed right bro


Mine too. For exactly the same reasons.:yes:

Starting off as a kid we had no Electricity, no telephone, no car, sweet feck all actually!

I have therefore seen most of these new fangled things come into our world!

Mod-cons are just that, convenient, I think they are all great when used to advantage!

I watch our grandkids with their cellphones and just marvel at how usefull they are!

The "good old days" are now, enjoy the advances we have made and use the gizmo's to their full.

These are the lucky years but they may not last much longer, damn it! :doh: I say, "use it" before we lose it! :mobile:

[ready4whatever]

Gen Y is having offspring. They had no control and so cannot apply control to their kids. This is the result.

Guess who raised generation Y? somewhere along the line a generation lost the ability to control their kids.. and it didnt start just yesterday

[SARGE]

Guess who raised generation Y? somewhere along the line a generation lost the ability to control their kids.. and it didnt start just yesterday

somewhere along the line the government ( all of them) decided they could TELL us how to raise our kids .. i think thats where you'll find the break

if i fucked up as a kid .. i got taken out back with the belt .. now if we take their playstation, we are violating their human rights

[Laxi]

somewhere along the line the government ( all of them) decided they could TELL us how to raise our kids .. i think thats where you'll find the break

if i fucked up as a kid .. i got taken out back with the belt .. now if we take their playstation, we are violating their human rights

to farkin true

[Brian d marge]

My five year old has a cell phone

it has gps on it and I can find him easily ,,,say when he disappears in a shop

very useful

it has a lock on who you can call ie me and mum ,,,and to family the call is free

Stephen

[Jdogg]

And then there is this.....http://www.nzherald.co.nz/health/news/article.cfm?c_id=204&objectid=10606595

[ready4whatever]

somewhere along the line the government ( all of them) decided they could TELL us how to raise our kids .. i think thats where you'll find the break

if i fucked up as a kid .. i got taken out back with the belt .. now if we take their playstation, we are violating their human rights

Yeah thats quite true. I often wonder what it'll be like 2 or 3 generations into the future from now. My kids, and their kids. Seems like the worlds going downhill from the 80's. I wonder if its worth me having kids (well my girlfriend)

[duckonin]

Yeah thats quite true. I often wonder what it'll be like 2 or 3 generations into the future from now. My kids, and their kids. Seems like the worlds going downhill from the 80's. I wonder if its worth me having kids (well my girlfriend)

Have them anyway, kids are great to have around, well most anyway, values in kids are instilled by their parents not the Govt...enjoy them..

[Rhubarb]

was looking on stuff this morning....
this jumped out at me...
"Call for minimum age of 14 to own cellphones"
err... can anyone tell me
WHO BUYS the phone in the first place or, who gives them the money to be ABLE to buy it...????
your kids, you have control....!!!
or am i just too old to work this out....
or do i thank HC ???:bash:

I think ajturbo is questioning the need for a law to restrict cellphone ownership to 14+.

Why do we need a law? What about sensible parenting?

We have a spare family cell phone that is used when one of our kids (9 & 12) may need to contact us e.g. sports trips or a 'goodnight' text if they are with their Grandparents for the weekend.

Don't hate new technology - just be sensible. Everyone's sitiuation is different.

[Rhubarb]

Yeah thats quite true. I often wonder what it'll be like 2 or 3 generations into the future from now. My kids, and their kids. Seems like the worlds going downhill from the 80's. I wonder if its worth me having kids (well my girlfriend)

Do it.

There will be times when you will want to deny ownership but these times are outweighed one million times over by the joy they will bring into your life.


In the meantime - make sure you keep practicing !!

[ajturbo]

we... i have to pull my head in ..

my son is now on his own... and i am worried

but as his "old man" what ever i say, it is all wrong and i don't understand..

fuck me do kids think we never went through what they are going through ( sure i didn't get caught..mostly..heheh)

so to be on the safe side i have decided that it is easier for me to move out than him....

and lets see him make his own mistakes, that i have tried to steer him away from...

and if they are real bad ones.. lets hope there is a KBer near by with a camera eh!! lol

[slofox]

we... i have to pull my head in ..

my son is now on his own... and i am worried

but as his "old man" what ever i say, it is all wrong and i don't understand..

fuck me do kids think we never went through what they are going through ( sure i didn't get caught..mostly..heheh)

so to be on the safe side i have decided that it is easier for me to move out than him....

and lets see him make his own mistakes, that i have tried to steer him away from...

and if they are real bad ones.. lets hope there is a KBer near by with a camera eh!! lol

The best you can hope to do for your kids is demonstrate to them, throughout their childhood and adolescence, your own values. Whether or not they adopt those values is entirely up to them...

More or less worked with my own kids although they have been times when I think my daughter took entirely too much notice of her father's failings...(like being a spendthrift and a wastrel...) :crazy:

[davebullet]

Sadly, the more we use laws as an excuse for taking responsibility and making sensible judgements, we further lose the ability to take responsibility and make sensible judgements.

You don't use it, you lose it applies.

Society is degenerating. Gee, I sound like my grandfather. I wonder whether he would have thought society was in the decline back then as rapidly as I do now.

I'm in a quandry about whether to provide cellphones. Part of me says don't - otherwise you provide the bail out / excuse for getting into trouble. "Doesn't matter if I fuck up, I just call dad and he'll bail me out". The other part says I want them to be able to call me and not to put my head in the sand pretending they won't get into trouble and need to call.

Either way, teach your kids airbags won't save their lives, slower / safer driving will. Likewise, don't do risky shit and expect a cellphone call to save you.

[CookMySock]

Gen Y is having offspring. They had no control and so cannot apply control to their kids. This is the result.It isn't that they don't have control, it's just that they choose to not unduly exert it - as was done to them as kids.

In the process of finding the balance, we end up learning other lessons.. but what is worse? To continue overtly exerting control, and teaching them that is normal? I think so.

In the new resulting freedom, the kids learn responsibility, because they are directly exposed to risks they must handle for themselves.

With the new freedom comes responsibility, and with that comes freedom, which unfortunately means we must not exert control so readily - pretty tough on parents doing this sometimes.

Steve

[scumdog]

It isn't that they don't have control, it's just that they choose to not unduly exert it - as was done to them as kids.
Steve

And then they reach the point where they bring their kid to me 'to tell them off' -WTF, I'm not the kids father!

I'll talk to the kid, I'll tell 'em of strange stuff like 'consequences' - but I NEVER tell them off just for the parents sake.

I have told off the occassional parent though....:shifty:

[Skyryder]

I was going into a supermarket yesterday and this kid was coming out with his mother , head bent down not taking any notice of his surroundings, texting, playing games, who knows on his cell phone...............................he was all of six years of age.


Skyryder

[JimO]

I was going into a supermarket yesterday and this kid was coming out with his mother , head bent down not taking any notice of his surroundings, texting, playing games, who knows on his cell phone...............................he was all of six years of age.


Skyryder

when he grows up he will be a labour voter

[Ronin]

And then they reach the point where they bring their kid to me 'to tell them off' -WTF, I'm not the kids father!

I'll talk to the kid, I'll tell 'em of strange stuff like 'consequences' - but I NEVER tell them off just for the parents sake.

I have told off the occassional parent though....:shifty:

Used to have Mother with misbehaving kids say "if you don't behave, that man will tell you off", "no I won't" Says I, "that's your job"

Fuckem, I have my own kid to raise. I'm not doing theirs as well.

[PrincessBandit]

We got our kids cell phones from about the age of 14 so they were able to contact us while out. Kids are very busy (doing what I'm not entirely sure all the time...) yet I too look back on my own incredibly busy childhood and we managed fine. (And it was only 6cents to use a public pay phone, or free if you knew the backwards tapping thingy).
Funnily enough the intent for us allowing our kids to have phones was with us as the main priority (hahaha). We would top them up for them, but after a while we got onto the vodafone plan where for $20 a month the whole family is able to text and call each other for free. Was the perfect opportunity for us to say, well kids texting and calling dad and I is now free for you all your other communications with your phone YOU pay for! Boy it's been great!