Alternative form of protest. Comments?

[Oakie]

What if one was to pay the ACC levy componant of their rego in cash? I mean, small cash ... like $1 coins. You rock up to pay your rego "here's my cheque for the $50 for rego part, and here is $270 in $1 coins for the ACC Levy.
Yeah, annoying for the poor teller admittedly. (Buy them a box of chockies to say sorry). Annoying to have to wait until it's counted too but hey, protest involves sacrifice sometimes.

Now multiply that a few times if you can organise a bunch of bikers to do it at the same time at the same PostShop and it becomes noticeable. Get a heap of bikers to do it at the same place and time and advise the media that there will be a novel form of protest at a particular place and time and you might just get some traction out of it.

Perfectly legal and I believe that as cash is legal tender it cannot be refused (although IRD have refused to accept cash in the past I believe). This scheme ranges in usefulness from a single man protest if done alone up to a publicity stunt if done en-masse. And it's the gift that keeps on giving as we can do it now and if levies do rise we can keep on doing it into the future.(Just don't pick a PostShop with a coin-counting machine.

Comments?

[sleemanj]

What if one was to pay the ACC levy componant of their rego in cash? I mean, small cash ... like $1 coins. You rock up to pay your rego "here's my cheque for the $50 for rego part, and here is $270 in $1 coins for the ACC Levy.

How does this affect ACC, they still get the money paid into their bank account you know, all you're doing there is causing problems for the post shop person.

[ynot slow]

Stuff it use 20c coins.

[short-circuit]

Comments?

500 dollar coins still sets me back $500.

Crap idea.

[Owl]

Only legal tender up to $100 I believe, so they'll just tell you to sod off (politely)!

I think silver coins are legal tender up to $5?

[Skyryder]

Only legal tender up to $100 I believe, so they'll just tell you to sod off (politely)!

I think silver coins are legal tender up to $5?


Read something much the same somewhere.

Skyryder

[pzkpfw]

http://www.rbnz.govt.nz/research/bulletin/2007_2011/2007sep70_3mcbride.pdf

Looks like it wouldn't work.

But good thinking. We need lots of ideas.

(Or beer. Lots of beer.)

[popelli]

the simple ideas are usually the best

just don't pay it

actions speak louder than words

when enough people stopped paying their television licences they eventually dropped them

[Firefight]

[QUOTE=Oakie;1129488924]What if one was to pay the ACC levy componant of their rego in cash? I mean, small cash ... like $1 coins. You rock up to pay your rego "here's my cheque for the $50 for rego part, and here is $270 in $1 coins for the ACC Levy.
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yeah that will fuck acc for sure and get your message over how ?

stupid idea, but go for your life,


F/F

[Voltaire]

How about going to the $2 dollar shop and buying two calculators.
One for Nick Smith and one for the CEO of ACC.
Print off a copy of their sums that don't add up and post it to them.

Then they can at least add up the numbers properly when interviewed.

They could have small Bikehoi logos on them so when they are sitting at their desks thinking who to shaft next they can rember the day hundreds of bikes decended on Wellington demanding justice and fairness for " paying road users"

rant over.

[Oakie]

yeah that will fuck acc for sure and get your message over how ?
stupid idea, but go for your life,
F/F

Wouldn't hurt ACC at all ... just a way of getting publicity if done as a media stunt... exactly what the Bikoi are doing.

Oakie walks off, shoulders slumped, crawls back under his rock.

[Owl]

Oakie walks off, shoulders slumped, crawls back under his rock.

Now now, chin up!:laugh:

[Conquiztador]

Wouldn't hurt ACC at all ... just a way of getting publicity if done as a media stunt... exactly what the Bikoi are doing.

Oakie walks off, shoulders slumped, crawls back under his rock.

I like the idea. It would be a ongoing protest. And as you say, it can be used as publicy stunt at any time. It would not affect ACC directly but it would clearly send the message that bikers are not OK with the rise in ACC levy.

Other ideas that pop in to my head:

- A poll of how many bikers will change who they vote for as a result of the higher ACC levies. No need to say who they voted for in the past or who they will vote for, just a message that if the ACC levies are raised there will be a change. (I know there is a thread re this, but if it was done on a bigger scale and the results made public then it could send a clear message, as long as the outcome would be the expected...)

- Each time National, Maori Party or ACT hold a conference there would be a bunch of bikers parked outside with their message. Would get high publicity.
Here ACT: http://www.act.org.nz/events
Maori Party: Can't see any planned ones. But here their website: http://www.maoriparty.org/index.php
National: You can "filter" their events: http://www.national.org.nz/Events/Events.aspx?Day=2%2f12%2f2009

- A one/two pager with all the actual facts re how they are trying to misslead us in this. Then get that leaflet in to every household. Could be done through KB site, HOG, Ulysses, rallies, competition days etc.

- Have a protest rally when the government is holding a important whatever; visitor from overseas, opening of something, announcment etc.

Head hurts. Need a rest.

[greenman]

Write a submission, you never know it just may work. Then you wouldn't have to pay extra.

[speedpro]

I like the idea of full page ads. There is hardly any point in "us" complaining and protesting as everyone sees it as "them that has to pay being upset at paying". If the facts can be presented clearly and concisely that might start questions from outside the biking fraternity. Provided of course that said facts don't actually support the increase. I'm thinking the only real avenue of protest is along the lines of what ACC's ideals were at the beginning and what was intended, versus what is being foisted on us now.

[nothingflash]

Is the ACC levy a good that is sold to you - must be I guess as it also has a GST component? Only reason I ask is I used to work in retail (managed a bottle store - happy times) and was told that we weren't obliged to sell the stuff - it was merely for sale on offer and we didn't actually have to accept an offer for purchase.

This won't work for this reason and the many reasons already listed.

[Oakie]

Is the ACC levy a good that is sold to you - must be I guess as it also has a GST component? it was merely for sale on offer and we didn't actually have to accept an offer for purchase.
.

ACC Levy is a tax ... not 'goods'.

[Insanity_rules]

Hey I got it, lets do none of the gear all of the time. Nude biker protest Oh yeah!

[NighthawkNZ]

What if one was to pay the ACC levy componant of their rego in cash? I mean, small cash ... like $1 coins.

Comments?

If I have an accident I wouldn't mind paying the full $3700 levy as a excess (as long as if I was allowed to put it on auto payment...) but if it was caused by a cage then they can pay for that...

[nothingflash]

ACC Levy is a tax ... not 'goods'.

According to the renewal advice on my fridge it has GST added to it.

[munster]

when enough people stopped paying their television licences they eventually dropped them

True. I remember never paying mine! :lol:

[bogan]

another alternative form of protest, very hi tech this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quN37YskoaM

send an army of these hexapod cnc routers into strategic locations, and mill the bikeoi logo into doors/desks/walls etc. Nick Smith goes to work and theres logos everywhere in his office, re-applied every day till he gets the message!

[Oakie]

According to the renewal advice on my fridge it has GST added to it. Your fridge has GST added?
GST on a tax (levy) is nothing new. I suppose we could have a discussion on the difference between a tax and a levy. Semantics I think.

[Oakie]

Hey I got it, lets do none of the gear all of the time. Nude biker protest Oh yeah!

Count me in. I've practiced. Check out my profile pic if you dare!

[nothingflash]

Your fridge has GST added?
GST on a tax (levy) is nothing new. I suppose we could have a discussion on the difference between a tax and a levy. Semantics I think.

Meh, i'd sooner explore the nude protest some more...

[Oakie]

Meh, i'd sooner explore the nude protest some more...

Mmmm. Could say that our ACC levy's will cost so much that we won't be able to afford safety gear ... or clothes even!

[Insanity_rules]

Count me in. I've practiced. Check out my profile pic if you dare!

Jesus on a pogo stick! I can't un-see that! I did that at a camp ground once and got thrown out. No blardy sense of humor. Well if we don't get enough attention I think we should do a nude parliament ride.

[sleemanj]

Here is what a nude parliament ride may look like...

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[Oakie]

Thats great

[Clockwork]

In Wellington..... you've really got to pick your days to go around naked! Not something you coud plan a couple of weeks ahead..... else it could become a very small protest, :cold:if you get my drift.:cold:



May be some form of "Flash-mob" protest, but what form could it take?

[duckonin]

What if one was to pay the ACC levy componant of their rego in cash? I mean, small cash ... like $1 coins. You rock up to pay your rego "here's my cheque for the $50 for rego part, and here is $270 in $1 coins for the ACC Levy.
Yeah, annoying for the poor teller admittedly. (Buy them a box of chockies to say sorry). Annoying to have to wait until it's counted too but hey, protest involves sacrifice sometimes.

Now multiply that a few times if you can organise a bunch of bikers to do it at the same time at the same PostShop and it becomes noticeable. Get a heap of bikers to do it at the same place and time and advise the media that there will be a novel form of protest at a particular place and time and you might just get some traction out of it.

Perfectly legal and I believe that as cash is legal tender it cannot be refused (although IRD have refused to accept cash in the past I believe). This scheme ranges in usefulness from a single man protest if done alone up to a publicity stunt if done en-masse. And it's the gift that keeps on giving as we can do it now and if levies do rise we can keep on doing it into the future.(Just don't pick a PostShop with a coin-counting machine.

Comments?

Have other things in life to do rather than trying to piss off some worker just trying to make a living,life is tough for them 2, your targeting the wrong end of the stick, for that matter it is hard to get to the other end as it is a long way away.....And they still get their money even if it is in 5cent pieces