A thought re 600cc bikes.

[FROSTY]

Given all thats happening with ACC levvies I suspect theres going to be a bunch of riders looking REALLY close at their bikes engine capacity.
Given that its 600cc and over bikes getting the biggest hike.
GSXR599/CBR598 anyone??
For those of ya not making sense of my ramblings MOST 600cc bikes have their GENUINE engine capacity clearly stated. Most of em displace less than 600cc

[James Deuce]

Given all thats happening with ACC levvies I suspect theres going to be a bunch of riders looking REALLY close at their bikes engine capacity.
Given that its 600cc and over bikes getting the biggest hike.
GSXR599/CBR598 anyone??
For those of ya not making sense of my ramblings MOST 600cc bikes have their GENUINE engine capacity clearly stated. Most of em displace less than 600cc

All of the sportsbikes do, so they can go one bore oversize without rendering themselves illegal for Supersport. Most are 598cc.

Stoopid how a Ducati Monster 696 (imagine a labrador puppy savaging a slipper) is regarded as more of a "threat" than a CBR600RR (Staffy chewing a toddlers face off).

[hayd3n]

isint it goin to be 601cc +

[grusomhat]

I would be arguing the same thing except it's 601cc + ie not including 600!

I sure won't be getting a 636 now though :(

[MD]

The ACC proposal classifies the millionaires owners class of bikes to be over 601cc. This was their one gesture of kindness to the many on 600 fours.

What a bummer to be just over with say, a 636 or SV650 or 675

Trouble is I personally can't see any 600cc bikes that I would consider.

[Little Miss Trouble]

Goodbye value on the SV650s and ER6s :(

[Sam I Am]

xr650r damn

[JATZ]

Could I turn the stickers over on the 900 and the 750 ? soooo I had a 600 and a 150 :D

[FROSTY]

Im thinking there might be an industry here for reducing the capacity of some bikes a bit.
SV599?. and of course engine swaps for gixxers.
In case anyones taking this slightly seriously --I'm not.
Just a bit of fun in a grim situation.

[Jizah]

isint it goin to be 601cc +

Yes it is.

[dipshit]

I don't think anybody looking at a GSXR 1000 is going to worry about the extra $250 over a 600. That won't be much compared to keeping a 1000 in tyres over a year alone.

But for someone looking at a SV650 - a GSXR 600 may be more tempting.

Having said that, i'm very glad i got a new runout K8 GSXR 600 back in April. It was much cheaper than the same K9... and surprisingly Suzuki didn't make its usual two yearly change for 2010 and the 600/750's will be the same as the K8.

[vindy500]

how hard is it to sleeve a cylinder and shave a piston ;)

[JohnC]

how hard is it to sleeve a cylinder and shave a piston ;)

Far more expensive than the piddling little $13-14 a week your all so worried about.
When I lived in Oz I was paying $1200 a year in combined rego'/ insurance,and that was 7 years ago so I have a hard time taking any of this seriously.
I'm just your average joe lunch box,I'm not well off,,but $13-14 a week,,,I just don't see the issue.

[McJim]

Yep - it's gonna hurt if you have:
Daytona 675
Kawasaki 636
SV650
GSX650F
ER6
And I'm sure there are others. I'm glad mine is 583cc....

[bogan]

the honda bros 650 springs to mind, 57hp i think, some 250s have more power than that!

Just another way for the gubbermint to easily target people, engine size is already recorde all they have to do is say, oi you, give us more money. How much would it cost to record the hp for make/model/year? one person surfing the net @ 50k a year would do it i'd imagine!

[cold comfort]

Far more expensive than the piddling little $13-14 a week your all so worried about.
When I lived in Oz I was paying $1200 a year in combined rego'/ insurance,and that was 7 years ago so I have a hard time taking any of this seriously.
I'm just your average joe lunch box,I'm not well off,,but $13-14 a week,,,I just don't see the issue.

I'm just "joe lunchbox" too and i'm taking it VERY seriously. Rego and insurance on the Duc alone is over $1400 without the DR or the bloody car!!
I guess my lunchbox is a bit smaller than yours

[Grahameeboy]

All of the sportsbikes do, so they can go one bore oversize without rendering themselves illegal for Supersport. Most are 598cc.

Stoopid how a Ducati Monster 696 (imagine a labrador puppy savaging a slipper) is regarded as more of a "threat" than a CBR600RR (Staffy chewing a toddlers face off).

Or a Yamaha XT660...

[Grahameeboy]

far more expensive than the piddling little $13-14 a week your all so worried about.
When i lived in oz i was paying $1200 a year in combined rego'/ insurance,and that was 7 years ago so i have a hard time taking any of this seriously.
I'm just your average joe lunch box,i'm not well off,,but $13-14 a week,,,i just don't see the issue.

+1...................

[veny]

Ummed and ahhed here about getting back into it after a 6 year break.

Yep, let's do it.
Got a 650 for some gravel fun and to take me fishing.
3 weeks later rego hikes were announced... :brick:

[fishb8nz]

At 37 KW (49 hp) of even worse, the Kawa KLR650, even less power!!
The value of my BMW F650CS must have plummeted!
Great time to be buying!

[Headbanger]

Far more expensive than the piddling little $13-14 a week your all so worried about.
When I lived in Oz I was paying $1200 a year in combined rego'/ insurance,and that was 7 years ago so I have a hard time taking any of this seriously.
I'm just your average joe lunch box,I'm not well off,,but $13-14 a week,,,I just don't see the issue.

Fuck Australia. What they pay has about as much to do with it as what they have on their sandwhiches.

[veny]

The 650 singles aren't powerful beasts. They're practical, cheap to fix and a
sweet spot between enough power and fuel economy.

Not that the government gives a fark about fuel economy.
Looks like they would prefer us to drive SUV's to those places of interest.

Enjoyed the CHCH protest yesterday. It felt good and made me want to ride all the way up to Wellington right there and then. :)

The incentive is the shafting factor as much as the actual rego cost.
David vs Goliath.

[MarkH]

the honda bros 650 springs to mind, 57hp i think, some 250s have more power than that!

Better trade it in for a Honda CBR600RR or a Suzuki GSXR600 so ACC can breathe a sigh of relief as it is much safer to be on one of those six hundies. Twice as fast but 33% safer (~$500 in levy instead of ~$750).

[ital916]

All it will do is encourage the mentality of, If I am paying the same rego for everything from 601cc+, I might as well get a litre bike.

[hayd3n]

All it will do is encourage the mentality of, If I am paying the same rego for everything from 601cc+, I might as well get a litre bike.

or the fastest sub 600 cc you can get your hands on
eg the new norton 588

[AllanB]

W650 Kawasaki.

[ital916]

or the fastest sub 600 cc you can get your hands on
eg the new norton 588

Or an RD350 or RG500 or H1 Kawasaki. Cos they're under 600 cc so are really friendly, safe bikes. :yes:

p.s I would have any of those bikes in a heartbeat...I want...gimme gimme gimme

[JohnC]

Fuck Australia. What they pay has about as much to do with it as what they have on their sandwhiches.

It was a simple example of how we're still better off than most other countrys.
And yes I do realise you probably don't give a damn what they have on their sandwiches,,,which "really" has nothing to do with it.

[Headbanger]

It was a simple example of how we're still better off than most other countrys.
And yes I do realise you probably don't give a damn what they have on their sandwiches,,,which "really" has nothing to do with it.

Its entirely meaningless, all systems in Aussie are different from ours, None of them have any bearing on the NZ Government attempts to take no-fault medical cover and apply higher charges to a specific group.

hell, If people can afford it or not is a secondary matter, Though amplified by the massive increase being enough to force a lot of riders off the road entirely, Even if you personally can afford it, even if you once paid similar amounts in Aussie, and even if you ate a Vegemite and cheese sandwhich while in Aussie. None of which have fuck all to do with anything.

[Oakie]

I'm just glad when I bought my bandit I got the 600 and not the 650.

[Vern]

Hey if they want to use engine size for us why not on cars as well.I see it the same way a little 1300 Corolla or a Club Sport Holden or a Tickford Falcon is it, boy big difference in power. Vern

[rocketman1]

ACC have only mentioned this cc rating to get feedback, dont be fooled they have no idea that most GSXR600 cc bikes etc, are the fasted bikes between two given points in most situations in NZ
If you wanted to hold a race around the Coro loop, I would put my money on a 600cc sports bike.
They are incredibly fast and can outhandle the bigger guys.
They are they way to go in future.
Look at Europe because of the insurance costs, 600cc are the sensible bike to buy..
Having said this I dont see why you should crash less on a 600 than a 1000.
As long as ACC is fooled who cares.
There must be some logic to it that Im not aware of.

[Paul in NZ]

How do you think I feel about my 1980 850cc Moto Guzzi or a 1970 650cc Triumph...

These guys (ACC) are mad....

[pete376403]

At 37 KW (49 hp) of even worse, the Kawa KLR650, even less power!!
The value of my BMW F650CS must have plummeted!
Great time to be buying!


Looking on E-Bay for a KLR600 cylinder. Put it on, get the bike re-vinned as a 600, then put the 650 barrel back on but with a Schnitz Racing 705 kit in.
Does the bike have to be running to get vinned? If not, i wouldn't bother getting it running as a 600 - put the barrel on, push it to VTNZ, get the paperwork and push it back home again.

[McJim]

How do you think I feel about my 1980 850cc Moto Guzzi or a 1970 650cc Triumph...

These guys (ACC) are mad....

By the time these levies actually hit your 1970 Trumpy will be officially an antique so will not be levied with the ACC crap.

[swbarnett]

Far more expensive than the piddling little $13-14 a week your all so worried about.
When I lived in Oz I was paying $1200 a year in combined rego'/ insurance,and that was 7 years ago so I have a hard time taking any of this seriously.
I'm just your average joe lunch box,I'm not well off,,but $13-14 a week,,,I just don't see the issue.
The issue is not the money. It's the fact that motorcyclists are being singled out for a punch in the face when the whole scheme is supposed to be funded EVENLY accross the entire population.

[Paul in NZ]

By the time these levies actually hit your 1970 Trumpy will be officially an antique so will not be levied with the ACC crap.

Yeah but how many 70's T140s are in the same boat and how does a 1980 Moto Guzzi even compare to a GSXR600?

[davebullet]

Agreed.

They should make it license based... as I can only drive / ride one of my vehicles at a time but NOOOOO... that smacks of common sense.

So they decide my 74hp (at the crank and brand new out of the factory) 5 year old SV650 (which has probably lost a few ponies, so older bikes should be cheaper ayway) is safer than my mates 129hp R6.

[nico]

I'm just "joe lunchbox" too and i'm taking it VERY seriously. Rego and insurance on the Duc alone is over $1400 without the DR or the bloody car!!

I guess my lunchbox is a bit smaller than yours



I DOUBLE THAT ill say again who else is puting there rego on hold and not stopn 4 plod then mr acc wont get any thing will he

gready cunts

[vifferman]

Hmmmm... can I re-register my bike as an RC46 instead of a VFR800?
That would make it a moped, right? :confused:

I haven't actually had the displacement certified anyway - it might be 581cc instead of 781... :shifty:

[SPman]

Fuck Australia. What they pay has about as much to do with it as what they have on their sandwhiches.Unless you live there............if these rates go through......we'll be able to rego 4 bikes, a van and a car here, for less than 2 bikes there ......the insurance is about the same....

[JohnC]

I DOUBLE THAT ill say again who else is puting there rego on hold and not stopn 4 plod then mr acc wont get any thing will he

gready cunts

Nope I ride a 20 year old bike I scratched togeather from a wreck plus parts bought off Trade me,I make $35,000 a year,support my family on my wage alone,have a 12 month budget I stick to like religion,will own my home free hold in only another 12 years,,I'm bloody rich as mate.
So I think I'll just carry on reguardless,,and I'd never run from the cops either,,that would just ruin my budget.
The injustice of it all ?,,,well I live in NZ aye,it's really not so bad here.

[Nibblet]

the honda bros 650 springs to mind, 57hp i think, some 250s have more power than that!

Just another way for the gubbermint to easily target people, engine size is already recorde all they have to do is say, oi you, give us more money. How much would it cost to record the hp for make/model/year? one person surfing the net @ 50k a year would do it i'd imagine!

Problem is just because it came from the factory at said specs doesn't mean it still is. Take my 250cc NSR, factory restricted to 45hp, unplug one cable and is now in the 60's, same region as my old mans 850 Eldorado.

ACC's CC rating has nothing to do with safety, its just another means in which to rake in more money in a short period of time to try and bridge this apparent epic debt.

[Grin-T]

Good bye Street Triple 675...

[dpex]

Given all thats happening with ACC levvies I suspect theres going to be a bunch of riders looking REALLY close at their bikes engine capacity.
Given that its 600cc and over bikes getting the biggest hike.
GSXR599/CBR598 anyone??
For those of ya not making sense of my ramblings MOST 600cc bikes have their GENUINE engine capacity clearly stated. Most of em displace less than 600cc

Frosty. That's fucking brilliant.

Well done Frosty.

Now that's a great headache to be created.

For the moment let's assume that I, for example, can show my bike is actually 598ccs. I go into the Post office to reregister and note the 'fault' on the 'current' rego data asserting my bike is 600ccs (of pure grunt, may I add).

The dumb broad behind the counter squalks, 'No Sir. It says here 600.'

'Sorry dear. See this spec-sheet? It says 598ccs. See it says this bike....my bike...is 598 ccs.'

Stay with me here, people. This is fantastic protest point.

Imagine. You're in the Post-shop teller's face. You say one thing, her records say another. Folk behind are getting pissed at having to wait. You're holding up the traffic. You have, clutched in your resolute hand, a spec sheet which asserts your bike is 598ccs.

You ain't moving till the manager comes out. The teller flees. Out comes the manager. He'll be (probably) an Indian making a shit-load of dosh, facing a growing line of pissed customers.

What are his options? Hold the 600cc party line? Nup. That won't work because you are also holding the 598cc line...his line. His dollars.

To an Indian, losing dollars is worse than being beaten to death with a ham.

Don't get me wrong here. I admire Indians for their work ethic and smarts.

But he has a problem. You with your specs and him with his computer records and a growing line of annoyed money givers.

What does he do? Concede? Maybe. Ask you to come back later? Probably.

But he doesn't concede because he can't, and you won't come back later.

Next step?

He's off for a conflab with some authority.

'Good morning Sir. I'm am having some terrible troubles with a man who says his bike is just 598 ccs' and on he goes.

The putz at the other end of the line has no idea what he's on about.

Half an hour later the Indian manager, having watched God knows how many dollars annoyingly walk away, and him getting close to a heart attack on the strength of it, might just concede.

Probably not. So you concede. The manager sighs with relief.

But his relief is short-lived, you see, because the next guy in line is your biker mate. And around it goes again.

Three bikers per small Post Shop could bring the place to a standstill for the day. Ten bikers per any post shop, all on the same day (they all communicate) would cause mayhem.

And believe me, there is no greater source of misery and therefore reaction than an Indian business owner being dicked out of one cent, much less hundreds of dollars of unearned, while you stand there holding up the queue.

Frosty! That's pure fucking brilliance.

Here's a way to involve the ordinary man in the street in our plight.

Hold up the queues. Piss off the Indian managers. Get in everyone's face.

While you're there waiting, you can turn and give a speech to the gathered throng. Tell them about how they, as car drivers, are being ripped off with ACC levies. Remember. One fifth of one percent of all ACC claims came from ALL registered road users.

And so easy to do.

But here's the great bit. We can all do this right now, BEFORE try to up the prices.

Believe me, if 100 bikers visited a Post-Shop owned by an Indian, tomorrow, by the day after the system would be screaming in the background.''Indians losing money are a great ally."

But it takes some bikers to go in there and create a scene.

You up for it, or are you a couch commentator?

Me? I'm up for it....if for no other reason than to watch the Indian spew.

Tell us, Frosty. Where do I get the spec for 598ccs?

Answer that and I'll be down there doing this rerego tomorrow. And then I shall report back on the results.

[mowgli]

Frosty. That's fucking brilliant.
Well done Frosty.

Woah there dpex. I'm pretty sure the proposed bands were: 160cc and less, 161 to 600cc and 601 and greater.

[MarkH]

Woah there dpex. I'm pretty sure the proposed bands were: 160cc and less, 161 to 600cc and 601 and greater.

Partly right - the dearest levy is proposed on the 601CC and above, that part is right.

The proposed cheaper levy would be on 126CC to 600CC bikes.

The cheapest levy would be on 0 to 125CC motorcycles (including mopeds).

Check the PDF linked here:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129455904&postcount=22
At the top of page 3 of the PDF there are the CC sizes listed.

[Staticam]

If it goes through ... laugh with me on this one, my Cagiva River 600 (601.4cc) all 34hp of it :crybaby:

... I think car regs are now rated per capacity, 0-1300, 1301-2600, 2601-4000, 4000+, bastards.