Multiple ownership stats

[RE5Guy]

I'm busy preparing a submission to the ACC. The main thing I want to concentrate on is the issue of multiple ownership.

I have been looking for info on the multiple bike ownership by single individuals. I have seen the poll that has been started on this idea, but I was wondering if any one has found any real data on this?

I am looking to find something to substantiate the unfairness of ACC charging what is in effect multiple insurance premiums on the one risk (in this case me).

Any stuff on cars would be usefull as well although I feel it is rather harder to push the unfairness of multiple car ownership as in my experience they do tend to be "shared" more than bikes. I hardly let anyone ride my bikes, but ain't nearly so fussy about the car.

[Pedrostt500]

That data would be available through LTSA or what ever they are calling them selves at this moment in time.

[Jantar]

I don't believe anyone does keep such statistics.


I hardly let anyone ride my bikes there is one of your bikes I'd like to ride. :yes:

[Ozzie]

I started the poll.

Theory behind my thing is very similar. I wonder if it is worth trying to get the car clubs with us. They are hit the same way we are, multiple ownership wise.

No need for a car v bike thing, it is protecting what we love, and what we have the right to enjoy!

[Ozzie]

That data would be available through LTSA or what ever they are calling them selves at this moment in time.

Not publically available. Searched for that big time before I started the poll.

[merv]

Me and Mrs merv would be all for paying ACC on the person not the machine, because we own too much stuff and we are light users anyway so our risk exposure is low but our bill is humungous.

[Ixion]

You could probably get stats on multiple ownership from LTNZ under the OIA, it would be an easy query.

But, the problem would be separating out companies owning lots of vehicles form natural persons owning ditto.

If restricted to bike sonly it might be easier, but even then you'd have to exclude bike shops, bike rental companies, pizza delivery, and such like

[The Stranger]

I started the poll.

Theory behind my thing is very similar. I wonder if it is worth trying to get the car clubs with us. They are hit the same way we are, multiple ownership wise.

No need for a car v bike thing, it is protecting what we love, and what we have the right to enjoy!

Here's one (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=59500) I prepared earlier, which may (or may not) improve the sample.

[The Stranger]

I'm busy preparing a submission to the ACC. The main thing I want to concentrate on is the issue of multiple ownership.


Be careful what you say.
If they are currently dividing the claims by the number of road registered motorcycles instead of the number of motorcyclists it cast us in a better light. They may not have woken to that just yet.

[lakedaemonian]

You could probably get stats on multiple ownership from LTNZ under the OIA, it would be an easy query.

But, the problem would be separating out companies owning lots of vehicles form natural persons owning ditto.

If restricted to bike sonly it might be easier, but even then you'd have to exclude bike shops, bike rental companies, pizza delivery, and such like

Why? Wouldn't that possibly act as a call to action for anyone "sleepwalking" through a potential tripling of their 5 figure ACC rego levies?

Not trying to be a shit stirrer due to the other thread...just being honest.

[Ozzie]

Here's one (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=59500) I prepared earlier, which may (or may not) improve the sample.
Oops, sorry about that

[RE5Guy]

Be careful what you say.
If they are currently dividing the claims by the number of road registered motorcycles instead of the number of motorcyclists it cast us in a better light. They may not have woken to that just yet.

Hhhhmmm..how come? "Total fleet" including excempt and restoration vehicles is 101457 vs number of Motorcycle licences of 483,142. Both figures as at June 08. If they use licences, then we look 4 times better????

...or have I got it wrong????

& Jantar, you can play with mine if I can play with yours....

[The Stranger]

Hhhhmmm..how come? "Total fleet" including excempt and restoration vehicles is 101457 vs number of Motorcycle licences of 483,142. Both figures as at June 08. If they use licences, then we look 4 times better????

...or have I got it wrong????

& Jantar, you can play with mine if I can play with yours....

Do they use license or registrations at present to calc cost per accident and/or the 16x more likely to have an accident figures?
Given that the tax is collected on registrations it occurs to me that they would use registrations, but I wouldn't know.
If it is registrations, then factoring in multiple ownership we look worse as individuals.
Why would they use licences? Many many people have a licence but don't ride.
Don't get me wrong, I'm really NOT in favour of rego on the vehicle and have argued for years and made submissions in many years prior to the effect that the levy should be collected entirely on fuel.
All I am suggesting is being careful to think it through before giving them ammo with which to beat us, after all, that is what we want the fugures from them for isn't it. Why shouldn't they use our info against us?

[RE5Guy]

Got what you mean now. Yeah I agree, the same thing had occured to me. To carry this to its logical??? conclusion it would mean that the ACC levy (if we believe their figures) should go up further if a concession is made for multiple ownership.
Multiple owners would find this (slightly) more palatable, but single owners wouldn't. If for example the ACC component went to $1,000 (number plucked out of the air) for bike #1 and $50 for each subsequent bike I for one (with 6 registered bikes) would be happier than the present proposal.

Yeah I know, all very self centered of me.

[Mort]

This is the part of the ACC proposals that pisses me off the most.... apart from being lumped in with unregistered bikes and not recognising the actual cause of registered road bike related injuries.

Many people run more than one bike. The previous ACC levies were within the bounds of reasonableness... now the new levies will force many people to sell their pride and joy on the basis of an entirely unfair charge. I don't what I can do to support this aspect of the cause but I am absolutely in favour of protesting this aspect of the ACC charges.

[The Stranger]

Yeah I know, all very self centered of me.

No, not really, it's still more accurate than the current proposal.