Mystic13
4th November 2009, 13:42
Many people have commented here and in the media that they have no problem with an increase in our levies it's just the size. We should pay our share. I wanted to offer the counter argument. We already pay our share and more what we need to do is reduce that to the same as cars so we are not overpaying so much.
Why should Motorcycle levies be reduced?
ACC say they got $12.3 Million in and paid out $62 million last year. This is misleading at best.
No Fault / Fault
ACC are proposing to target us as a group to pay for our care attributing fault. In this case they have statistics that show for injuries motorcyclists are at fault 51% of the time. It is clear that in around 45% of cases another vehicle is at fault. In that case if ACC wants to target those responsible and they have the statistics ACC be looking to recover that from other vehicles if they were to target the source of the cost.
Income Correction - It's $21.1 million
ACC suggest that the motorcycle levy is the only vehicle levy we pay and of Course this isn’t the whole picture as in excess of 99% of motorcyclists own a car. Therefore the income ACC gets from the motorcyclists is $392.09 on the motorcycle levy and $279.09 on the car levy or $21.1 million not $12.3 million.
Expenditure Correction - It's already below our fee income
45% of injury claims are caused by other road users as such the total expenditure should be reduced by 45%. From $62 million to $27.9 million. It should be noted that we are almost at parity with our income being close to our total costs at this point. NO INCREASE IS JUSTIFIED.
There are insufficient questions to determine if a rider crash has occurred on a road registered motorcycle or not. We estimate as much as 50% of the injuries on the account belong to non-road registered riders. We are unable to identify the specific figure because ACC do not have the statistics. That being the case the expenses should be reduced by a further 50%. From $27.9 million to $14 million. ACC are now receiving more income than they are paying out.
At this point I think it’s clear that our fees should be reduced to parity with cars as a minimum. Although there is a clear argument for them to be reduced further.
If the non-road registered claims account for 24% then we're at parity.
Personally if ACC want to play the blame game they should go further. There is no basis for an increase in ACC fees. There is a basis for reduction.
ACC also say they want to load over 600cc bikes at 150%. Bikes on average are already loaded at 240% The car fee and bike fee combined that motorcyclists pay is $671.18 or 240% of the car fee. This again suggests we should face a reduction.
ACC have been a little mischievous or a lot ignorant when making up their numbers.
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So what other stats are erroneous. (and if you can deal to them on one stat per post that would be good.)
Why should Motorcycle levies be reduced?
ACC say they got $12.3 Million in and paid out $62 million last year. This is misleading at best.
No Fault / Fault
ACC are proposing to target us as a group to pay for our care attributing fault. In this case they have statistics that show for injuries motorcyclists are at fault 51% of the time. It is clear that in around 45% of cases another vehicle is at fault. In that case if ACC wants to target those responsible and they have the statistics ACC be looking to recover that from other vehicles if they were to target the source of the cost.
Income Correction - It's $21.1 million
ACC suggest that the motorcycle levy is the only vehicle levy we pay and of Course this isn’t the whole picture as in excess of 99% of motorcyclists own a car. Therefore the income ACC gets from the motorcyclists is $392.09 on the motorcycle levy and $279.09 on the car levy or $21.1 million not $12.3 million.
Expenditure Correction - It's already below our fee income
45% of injury claims are caused by other road users as such the total expenditure should be reduced by 45%. From $62 million to $27.9 million. It should be noted that we are almost at parity with our income being close to our total costs at this point. NO INCREASE IS JUSTIFIED.
There are insufficient questions to determine if a rider crash has occurred on a road registered motorcycle or not. We estimate as much as 50% of the injuries on the account belong to non-road registered riders. We are unable to identify the specific figure because ACC do not have the statistics. That being the case the expenses should be reduced by a further 50%. From $27.9 million to $14 million. ACC are now receiving more income than they are paying out.
At this point I think it’s clear that our fees should be reduced to parity with cars as a minimum. Although there is a clear argument for them to be reduced further.
If the non-road registered claims account for 24% then we're at parity.
Personally if ACC want to play the blame game they should go further. There is no basis for an increase in ACC fees. There is a basis for reduction.
ACC also say they want to load over 600cc bikes at 150%. Bikes on average are already loaded at 240% The car fee and bike fee combined that motorcyclists pay is $671.18 or 240% of the car fee. This again suggests we should face a reduction.
ACC have been a little mischievous or a lot ignorant when making up their numbers.
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So what other stats are erroneous. (and if you can deal to them on one stat per post that would be good.)