Harawira hates white people...

[Elysium]

..because he said so himself:argue:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3037942/Harawira-email-attacks-white-man-bulls-t


"Maori Party MP Hone Harawira has reacted to an email criticising him for bunking off a work trip to visit Paris by lashing out at white people.

In an email exchange released to Radio New Zealand, Mr Harawira accusing "white motherf...ers" of "puritanical bullshit" for expecting him to follow the rules.

The MP was already in trouble. This morning his party co-leader Tariana Turia expressed concerns his unscheduled side trip to Paris during a taxpayer funded work trip last month would damage the party's reputation.

Mr Harawira skipped a meeting in Brussels so he and his wife Hilda could spend a day in Paris. He paid for the extra travel himself.

Buddy Mikaere of Buddy Mikaere and Associates wrote an email to Mr Harawira complaining about his actions.

"... you're no better than that w***er Rodney Hide and the white mofos you complain about," Mr Mikaere wrote, referring to Mr Hide's actions in taking his partner on an overseas ministerial trip despite the Prime Minister John Key's direction against the practice.

"And get off you moral high horse while you're at it - nobody forced you to be an MP."

Mr Harawira wrote back starting his email; "Gee Buddy, do you believe that white man bullshit too do you?

"White motherf***ers have been raping our lands and ripping us off for centuries and all of a sudden you want me to play along with their puritanical bullshit."

Mr Harawira then went on to say how much time and energy he put into fighting for Maori and what a big role his wife Hilda played in that.

"And quite frankly I don't give a shit what you or anyone else thinks about it. OK?"

Then he added a postscript saying he should feel free to go to the media.

"I answer to my people, not to them or to anybody else."

Mr Harawira was already in considerable hot water with Speaker Lockwood Smith saying he may have to pay back some of the trip's overall cost and Mrs Turia revealing she had been led to believe the reason he skipped the meeting was illness.

"I'm very concerned, my understanding was he was ill over in Brussels but it would appear... that he went off to Paris for a trip, that it was quite a deliberate thing," she told Radio New Zealand.

"The worry for me is that Hone was the leader of that delegation and I guess that what we are going to be questioned about in future, in terms of any trips overseas, is that 'can we give a guarantee that this won't happen again, it happened in Australia?' And with hand over heart I don't think we can give that guarantee."

In 2007 Mr Harawira was told to pay back some flights after he left mid-way through a four-day select committee trip to Melbourne, so he could visit Aboriginal groups in Alice Springs.
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Labour deputy leader Annette King yesterday said Mr Harawira's actions showed why the public wondered about MPs' perks.

"I think that really does make people wonder about parliamentary travel and taxpayers' money."

Mrs Turia was concerned about that and how Mr Harawira's actions would reflect on the party.

"All of us have to be really conscious as to the perception that's created as to how we use public funds, the public doesn't actually fund us to go on holidays and to have a look around and that's the reality."

Mr Harawira has been unrepentant about his actions, saying he missed nothing by skipping the meeting as he had already met those attending the meeting and discussed issues with them.

He did not think he should have to pay back any money and was glad he had undertaken the side trip, saying it would have been "dumb" not to visit such a wonderful city.

The other two MPs in the delegation, National MP Katrina Shanks and Labour MP Rajen Prasad, attended the meeting, which discussed relations between the EU and New Zealand, family and youth policies and multiculturalism."

Idiots like Harawira just give groups like the National Front the excuss they need to exist.

[Dave Lobster]

Another maori party MP with their hand in the cookie jar.

Is it really a surprise?

Why the fuck can't any of these political parties find people with just a shred of decency to employ?
How hard can it be??

[Elysium]

Bet old Winston will put on a good spin on this.

[Dave Lobster]

Bet old Winston will put on a good spin on this.

Nobody listens to him any more though, do they??

[ynot slow]

Not only the natives with mits in the cookie jar,seems to be woohoo I'm in government so taxpayers give me perks.

And watching sunrise some maori lady said it's ok for him to do so,she couldn't work out why it isn't cosha for any MP to say I'm off to Brussels then leave after half way to hit Paris,sure he paid for his Paris jaunt,but point they said to her was WE PAID HIM TO GET THERE.Irrespective if he went walkabout,he was supposed to sit through a boring meeting as well,but he is above that.

[duckonin]

Another maori party MP with their hand in the cookie jar.

Is it really a surprise?

Why the fuck can't any of these political parties find people with just a shred of decency to employ?
How hard can it be??

Fucken hard if you are going through the brown jar to get an honest one without their own agender..:Oops:

[Flatcap]

I wonder what would happen to a white politician who called maori "Black Motherfuckers"?

[Dave Lobster]

I wonder what would happen to a white politician who called maori "Black Motherfuckers"?

He'd get a lot of votes.

[MisterD]

In all of this, the most worrying thing is that we have a dumb fuck in our parliament who describes the Louvre as "the museum made famous by The Da Vinci Code"...

[Lias]

He'd get a lot of votes.

I lol'd

10 chars

[Kiwi Graham]

He's the most racist, arrogant, up his own ass, fuckwit prick I've ever had the misfortune to meet.
His agenda has always been about himself and his mates, 'not his people'. If the Maori party has any balls they'd kick this free loader into touch and provide someone who knows how to represent the people that voted for them.

[ghost]

Really? Hates whites? Who would've seen that one comming.......

[Dave Lobster]

If the Maori party has any balls they'd kick this free loader into touch and provide someone who knows how to represent the people that voted for them.

Heh heh.. that's hilarious!!!

[Swoop]

In all of this, the most worrying thing is that we have a dumb fuck in our parliament who describes the Louvre as "the museum made famous by The Da Vinci Code"...
I'm surprised he knew The Louvre even existed, let alone what it contains.

[MSTRS]

In all of this, the most worrying thing is that we have a dumb fuck in our parliament who describes the Louvre as "the museum made famous by The Da Vinci Code"...

And by that one statement, he proved himself an 'ignorant git from up north'. Along with that silly bint Anika Moa (when she did an episode on foreign travel)

[Hans]

No problem. I hate him right back.

[Skyryder]

There are times when you cannot get past a stone age mindset. :bash: This is one of them, and before any gets all hot and bothered beliveing that this is a racist comment I think Hone should join ACT. Their policies may be miles apart :eek5:but both their mindsets is about as stone age as it can get.:2guns:

Skyryder

[Flatcap]

There are times when you cannot get past a stone age mindset.

Was the mindset slightly less racist in the Iron age?

[F5 Dave]

READY

AIM AT FOOT

FIRE!!!!

It just knocks me out that his supporters don't disown him. Like that Donna whats'erface. Stealing money intended for, essentially Maori kids books. Did her people lynch her? No. A lot supported her. Crazy.

[MisterD]

There are times when you cannot get past a stone age mindset. :bash: This is one of them, and before any gets all hot and bothered beliveing that this is a racist comment I think Hone should join ACT. Their policies may be miles apart :eek5:but both their mindsets is about as stone age as it can get.:2guns:

I told you earlier Skyryder, the little blue pills...

[Skyryder]

Was the mindset slightly less racist in the Iron age?

No more so. They tried to get rid of the Neanderthals but with the appearance of Hide they failed.

Skyryder

[JimO]

hone is just another dumbfuck that managed to con his way into the trough with the other pigs, i would be interisted to know how many of his supporters are tax payers

[White trash]

I hate white people.

[98tls]

I hate white people. Its the pink ones i cant take,hate the fuckers.:bash:

[ready4whatever]

I dont think european raped the land....if they didnt come along then Hone would be trying to catch eels in a swamp still, living in a flax hut. The only invention that would of happened since then and now is now they put a sharp rock on the end of the taiaha

[98tls]

I dont think european raped the land....if they didnt come along then Hone would be trying to catch eels in a swamp still, living in a flax hut. The only invention that would of happened since then and now is now they put a sharp rock on the end of the taiaha "Kentucky fried eel" just doesnt quite have the same ring to it eh,still probably wouldnt taste any worse than the crap the Colonel makes.

[ready4whatever]

"Kentucky fried eel" just doesnt quite have the same ring to it eh,still probably wouldnt taste any worse than the crap the Colonel makes.

I like kfc chicken, i just have to put up with crook guts after thats all

[Mully]

Why the fuck can't any of these political parties find people with just a shred of decency to employ?
How hard can it be??

Y'see, Mr Lobster, you've made a classic mistake.

You've fooled yourself into thinking that politicians are there to serve the electorate.

It's OK, it's a common error.

The fact is, the politicians are there to serve themselves. They'd all be estatic if the populace would just fuck off and leave them alone. They only have anything to do with us once every three years.

Politicians are there to serve themselves. And their mates. And their "whanau".

The best thing you can do it find some whose interests broadly match yours and vote for them.

So ends "NZ Politics 101"

[Flatcap]

The best thing you can do it find some whose interests broadly match yours and vote for them.


Actually, isn't that the whole basis of democracy?

[mashman]

Sorry, i've not been here long, but would just like to ask about your laws in regards to racism and inciting racism... could someone lay a complaint about these remarks and have the ignorant piece of trash locked up???

[Kiwi Graham]

Politicians are there to serve themselves. And their mates. And their "whanau".

The best thing you can do it find some whose interests broadly match yours and vote for them.

So ends "NZ Politics 101"


Actually, isn't that the whole basis of democracy?

It would explain why more people voted in 'Dancing With The Stars' than voted in our national fukin election eh............Politicians = Power Hungry Narcissists.

[peasea]

He's the most racist, arrogant, up his own ass, fuckwit prick I've ever had the misfortune to meet.

You haven't met ME have you?

However, if you did I'd probably buy you a beer. I doubt that HH would and if he did it would be out of our pocket anyway. As you were.

[peasea]

Sorry, i've not been here long, but would just like to ask about your laws in regards to racism and inciting racism... could someone lay a complaint about these remarks and have the ignorant piece of trash locked up???

Good point. Years ago a buddy of mine called an Islander a 'nigger' and had to apologise to him in writing thanks to some sticky beak who made a complaint to the Race Relations Concilliator.

I think HH should be made to apologise to all Caucasians, publicly.

[Mully]

Actually, isn't that the whole basis of democracy?

"I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Democracy just doesn't work"
Kent Brockman


Good point. Years ago a buddy of mine called an Islander a 'nigger' and had to apologise to him in writing thanks to some sticky beak who made a complaint to the Race Relations Concilliator.

I think HH should be made to apologise to all Caucasians, publicly.

That would be awesome.

Although I suspect he will be apologising soon to keep his cushy job.

[MisterD]

Although I suspect he will be apologising soon to keep his cushy job.

There is a theory that he's pissed off with Turia and Sharples taking the party in a more establishment-type direction and rather than quit he's deliberately trying to get sacked, thereby enhancing his "radical mana".

Personally I'd tie him and Bradford to a big lump of concrete and heave the lot into the Waitemata..

[Flatcap]

Personally I'd tie him and Bradford to a big lump of concrete and heave the lot into the Waitemata..

Now why would you go and poison that lovely harbour...

[Swoop]

Sorry, i've not been here long, but would just like to ask about your laws in regards to racism and inciting racism... could someone lay a complaint about these remarks and have the ignorant piece of trash locked up???
That would fire up the "Harawera Mafia"...

[MisterD]

Now why would you go and poison that lovely harbour...

Cos all the bludgers hanging about on the old Pont de Mangere would probably pull them out of the Manukau...anyway what's the problem, one of them's Green and the other's Brown.

[riffer]

Good point. Years ago a buddy of mine called an Islander a 'nigger' and had to apologise to him in writing thanks to some sticky beak who made a complaint to the Race Relations Concilliator.

I think HH should be made to apologise to all Caucasians, publicly.

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[riffer]

Better yet, use the Online Complaints Form. Put your money where your mouth is.

http://www.hrc.co.nz/home/hrc/enquiriescomplaints/onlinecomplaintsform.php

[ready4whatever]

I wonder what would happen to a white politician who called maori "Black Motherfuckers"?

Hell yeah. Paul Holmes got way more crap just for saying 'cheeky darkies'. Didnt you know calling a white; redneck / honky / white shit / ballhead is ok. As soon as you say the black word or drop the N bomb all hell breaks out. I guess because europeans came over they will always pay the price for it. Anybody know a mori ori? oh nah thats right they all got killed and bred out. Before i get shit for this... im not saying hone is a dumb black/ maori... hes simply a dumb person. Im a 'white motherfucker'. my girlfriend is maori. I'll probably have maori kids.
Hone just ruined himself

[mashman]

Better yet, use the Online Complaints Form. Put your money where your mouth is.

http://www.hrc.co.nz/home/hrc/enquiriescomplaints/onlinecomplaintsform.php

Thanks Rif... and done!

[peasea]

Better yet, use the Online Complaints Form. Put your money where your mouth is.

http://www.hrc.co.nz/home/hrc/enquiriescomplaints/onlinecomplaintsform.php

That is brilliant, thank you I will.

[peasea]

Hell yeah. Paul Holmes got way more crap just for saying 'cheeky darkies'. Didnt you know calling a white; redneck / honky / white shit / ballhead is ok. As soon as you say the black word or drop the N bomb all hell breaks out. I guess because europeans came over they will always pay the price for it. Anybody know a mori ori? oh nah thats right they all got killed and bred out. Before i get shit for this... im not saying hone is a dumb black/ maori... hes simply a dumb person. Im a 'white motherfucker'. my girlfriend is maori. I'll probably have maori kids.
Hone just ruined himself

My ex has maori blood, so do my two daughters, not a lot though. They hate this sort of racist crap and you're right, HH just shot himself in the nads.

[Mully]

My ex has maori blood, so do my two daughters, not a lot though. They hate this sort of racist crap and you're right, HH just shot himself in the nads.

Most people I know with Maori blood can't stand this clown.

His bullshit in the name of "Maoridom" pisses a lot of good people off.

[Dave Lobster]

Most people I know with Maori blood can't stand this clown.

His bullshit in the name of "Maoridom" pisses a lot of good people off.

Why are they never on TV?

[rebel]

Wouldn't a dirty coon such as him feel a bit depressed going sight seeing in Paris... Seeing all of the evil white mans achievements while his kind were eating raw meat, living in grass huts.

[peasea]

Most people I know with Maori blood can't stand this clown.

His bullshit in the name of "Maoridom" pisses a lot of good people off.

I would think so and what is sad is that HH and his ilk are always at the forefront, nose in the trough and beating their chests.

One of my customers (back in the day) was a Maori fisherman, bloody good guy, neat family, extremely hard working. Was he getting rich off the quota? Like hell he was; the quota holder (who I believe were tribal elders but don't quote me on that) reaped plenty from his hard work and that of his family. It used to really piss me off. I don't know if he gave it away but he deserved better and I'd say his situation would be the tip of the iceberg.

[peasea]

Wouldn't a dirty coon such as him feel a bit depressed going sight seeing in Paris... Seeing all of the evil white mans achievements while his kind were eating raw meat, living in grass huts.

And that was only a couple of hundred years ago. You could probably count the generations on a hillbillies hand. That's part of the problem; us filthy white folk have taken centuries to get where we are but you take a savage from the trees, drop him in downtown Wellington and look how they cope! Badly.

And for keerists sake, don't feed them up on fire water.

[peasea]

Why are they never on TV?

They probably get stood over.

[Winston001]

It will be interesting to see what the Human Rights Commission makes of this. The words complained of were in a private email. Not a public speech. Freedom of expression protects a lot of things we would ordinarily find offensive.

For example the words "dirty coon" appear in this thread. That is offensive but also freedom of expression. Would we expect KB to be prosecuted??
:sweatdrop

Here is a clip from the HRC:

"...The Commission stated that the offensiveness of a race-related comment is not sufficient on its own. The comment must also be a probable cause of ethnic hostility or contempt. The vast majority of comments that are complained about are unlikely to contribute to serious ethnic unrest."

http://www.hrc.co.nz/report/chapters/chapter08/expression02.html

[rainman]

Just as well we can't fire the bastards. There'd be no-one left in the beehive.

[Winston001]

Just to be clear, I find HH's comments deeply offensive especially coming from a member of parliament. He is a tosspot and I hope the Maori Party dump him. They have earned a lot of respect (to my surprise) and don't need this jerk.

[Ixion]

It will be interesting to see what the Human Rights Commission makes of this. The words complained of were in a private email. Not a public speech. Freedom of expression protects a lot of things we would ordinarily find offensive.

For example the words "dirty coon" appear in this thread. That is offensive but also freedom of expression. Would we expect KB to be prosecuted??
..l (http://www.hrc.co.nz/report/chapters/chapter08/expression02.html)

Perhaps the objection is not to the denigration in itself but to the light it may shed on the principles of a person charged with representing the good of all New Zealanders.

It bears mentioning that MPs are not delegates for their own particular constituency. Although elected by a electorate they are supposed to conduct themselves for the good of the entire country

[Skyryder]

Hone needs to read up on his French and NZ history. NZ was a hairs breadth from becoming a French colony. If that had happened you can bet ya bottom dollar he'd not be off to Paris on a junket.


Skyryder

[oldguy]

He's the most racist, arrogant, up his own ass, fuckwit prick I've ever had the misfortune to meet.
His agenda has always been about himself and his mates, 'not his people'. If the Maori party has any balls they'd kick this free loader into touch and provide someone who knows how to represent the people that voted for them.

I could not have said it better. and that all it is. bling to you sir.

[oldguy]

Good point. Years ago a buddy of mine called an Islander a 'nigger' and had to apologise to him in writing thanks to some sticky beak who made a complaint to the Race Relations Concilliator.

I think HH should be made to apologise to all Caucasians, publicly.

make up your mind, what do want to be known as.


Pakiha, white man, Caucasian or European.

[Ixion]

Baas .

[oldguy]

There is a theory that he's pissed off with Turia and Sharples taking the party in a more establishment-type direction and rather than quit he's deliberately trying to get sacked, thereby enhancing his "radical mana".

Personally I'd tie him and Bradford to a big lump of concrete and heave the lot into the Waitemata..

Whats wrong with Bradford, I think she is Hot.

[wbks]

make up your mind, what do want to be known as.


Pakiha, white man, Caucasian or European.What if you're a mongrel? You're not white enough to be caucasian, not *other* enough to identify with that ethnicty?

[PrincessBandit]

What if you're a mongrel? You're not white enough to be caucasian, not *other* enough to identify with that ethnicty?

:rofl::rofl: you're not allowed to use the "M" word!!!!!

(but you do have a good point however).

[XRVrider]

Why the hell is there even a Maori Party at all. That is racist towards others who arent Maori. Remember that Turia once said that Christianity introduced child abuse to the Maori household. Hmm the Kahui twins come to mind. This country is full of reverse racism but we are so bloody politically correct we dont do anything, is fucked up. If Europeans diudnt turn up the general Maori would still be skinny, hunting down KFC uses fuck all energy.

[wbks]

Why the hell is there even a Maori Party at all. That is racist towards others who arent Maori. Remember that Turia once said that Christianity introduced child abuse to the Maori household. Hmm the Kahui twins come to mind. This country is full of reverse racism but we are so bloody politically correct we dont do anything, is fucked up. If Europeans diudnt turn up the general Maori would still be skinny, hunting down KFC uses fuck all energy.Unfortunately, stupid speeches like this also earn white people even more of an idiotic reputation

[XRVrider]

Unfortunately, stupid speeches like this also earn white people even more of an idiotic reputation

You a Maori then?

[MisterD]

Whats wrong with Bradford, I think she is Hot.

She reminds me of the town she shares a name with...except without the grace and charm.

[wbks]

You a Maori then?No, I'm one of these afformentioned mongrels who doesn't really fit into one group, but saying things like "reverse racism" and mentioning "if WE weren't here they would still be hunting birds with sticks to feed themselves etc etc" like a few others have doesn't really help people like Hone's negative opinion of white people

[XRVrider]

No, I'm one of these afformentioned mongrels who doesn't really fit into one group, but saying things like "reverse racism" and mentioning "if WE weren't here they would still be hunting birds with sticks to feed themselves etc etc" like a few others have doesn't really help people like Hone's negative opinion of white people

Never said "we". Hone helps other races hate him.

I dont care if you half caste or what, this country is full of racism, both ways but Tama Iti shooting the NZ flag? shit if I did that to the Maori flag some bro's would come and beat the shit outta me. Bet that pees off other races not just Europeans. Maori's werent here first, Mori Oris were before them and got killed off, who knows who was before that, I'm so sick of some Maori bleating on about their lands. Times change, deal with it. I was born here and I aint got any of their land.

[Damon]

Unfortunately, stupid speeches like this also earn white people even more of an idiotic reputation

I think XRV makes some valid points, Turia did say that Christianity introduced child abuse to the Maori household, and reverse racism (if that's actually a term, it's all racism to me) is a big problem in NZ, I remember watching some Sunday morning talk show lead by Willie Jackson, his Maori guests argued that Maori can not be racist because their a minority?!?!?! :bash: shitting on someone because of their skin colour or heritage is racism no mater which motherfucker dishes it,

IMO he's done another Donna Awatere-Huata, he's set Maori/Pakiha relations back another 10 years, Maori will support him though, not based on morals but just because he's another Maori being persecuted by the white man.

On the Funny side, I have "white motherfucker" t-shirts for sale :niceone:

[wbks]

I'm not sure about the mori oris, it's been said that it was another race, and it's more probable that it was another tribe similar to the maoris that got here first (if you even believe in the shit), so it's the same deal, but that doesn't mean fuck all. I agree that a lot of things in NZ are geared towards treating Maori as the "special people", but talking about "reverse racism" just makes you sound stupid, and adding a racist stereotype about KFC just makes it worse, so complaining like that does more harm than good. Although it just shows you how far NZ is geared towards raising certain groups above everyone else in terms of rights and privaleges when so many normal people think of racism towards white's as "reverse racism".

[cave weta]

Why the fuck can't any of these political parties find people with just a shred of decency to employ?
How hard can it be??

IMHO- The simple fact that these people would want to become politicians should be reason enough for them to be prohibited from being one!

The rank of politician should be bestowed by their peers - like an honour.
people like Edmund Hillary, Frank Bunce, Billy T James and Carver's Mum - they would all make good decision makers for the good of all.

2cents:innocent:

[cave weta]

Whats wrong with Bradford, I think she is Hot.

Waitemata is waay to shallow:angry:

[XRVrider]

I'm not sure about the mori oris, it's been said that it was another race, and it's more probable that it was another tribe similar to the maoris that got here first (if you even believe in the shit), so it's the same deal, but that doesn't mean fuck all. I agree that a lot of things in NZ are geared towards treating Maori as the "special people", but talking about "reverse racism" just makes you sound stupid, and adding a racist stereotype about KFC just makes it worse, so complaining like that does more harm than good. Although it just shows you how far NZ is geared towards raising certain groups above everyone else in terms of rights and privaleges when so many normal people think of racism towards white's as "reverse racism".

Go read the whole thread, there's heap of jokes about KFC, its a generalisation. Yes it was out of line, but I aint the only one who said it. 99.9% of the time in NZ, racism is related to a "whitey" saying or doing something against a "darkey", so the term reverse racism is used, not just by me, other countries say this too. Lived half my life overseas, and see we have gone down the wrong path in many respects.

You are right though, this country does treat some races as a bit special, helping them more than others, that really pisses off the others and creates racism, even though its the Government that set it up, a bit like affirmative action.

Mori Oris existed, google up a bit, you'll see they were different looking and blonde hair and were still around when the Europeans arrived, albeit on the Chathams. Maori warriors went to the Chathams with a brit ship, jumped off and ran round killing all the Mori oris.

[scumdog]

..because he said so himself:argue:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3037942/Harawira-email-attacks-white-man-bulls-t



Idiots like Harawira just give groups like the National Front the excuss they need to exist.

Meh, just another uppity jiggaboo given real Maori a bad rep...

[wbks]

Go read the whole thread, there's heap of jokes about KFC, its a generalisation. Yes it was out of line, but I aint the only one who said it. 99.9% of the time in NZ, racism is related to a "whitey" saying or doing something against a "darkey", so the term reverse racism is used, not just by me, other countries say this too. Lived half my life overseas, and see we have gone down the wrong path in many respects.

You are right though, this country does treat some races as a bit special, helping them more than others, that really pisses off the others and creates racism, even though its the Government that set it up, a bit like affirmative action.

Mori Oris existed, google up a bit, you'll see they were different looking and blonde hair and were still around when the Europeans arrived, albeit on the Chathams. Maori warriors went to the Chathams with a brit ship, jumped off and ran round killing all the Mori oris.Yea, and making racist generalizations don't help any cause except racism, that's what I was saying.

[Hans]

No, I'm one of these afformentioned mongrels who doesn't really fit into one group, but saying things like "reverse racism" and mentioning "if WE weren't here they would still be hunting birds with sticks to feed themselves etc etc" like a few others have doesn't really help people like Hone's negative opinion of white people

It may be, that you don't like the form of that post. But pray tell, which part of it is factually incorrect? Or is it that the facts are more irritating than the form? Which of course brings accusations of racism.

[duckonin]

Why the hell is there even a Maori Party at all. That is racist towards others who arent Maori. Remember that Turia once said that Christianity introduced child abuse to the Maori household. Hmm the Kahui twins come to mind. This country is full of reverse racism but we are so bloody politically correct we dont do anything, is fucked up. If Europeans diudnt turn up the general Maori would still be skinny, hunting down KFC uses fuck all energy.

Skinny !! Yep full of fucken worms....

[XRVrider]

Yea, and making racist generalizations don't help any cause except racism, that's what I was saying.

Fair enough, I been called way worse, but you are right.

[wbks]

It may be, that you don't like the form of that post. But pray tell, which part of it is factually incorrect? Or is it that the facts are more irritating than the form? Which of course brings accusations of racism.Someone saying that the proportion of Maori that eat fast food on a regular basis is more than the proportion of Caucasoids that do the same might be a statistical observation, but I think it's pretty obvious when someone (not just XRV, pretty much a good portion of people in NZ) make random statements about it in usually a more informal way, it is usually intended as racism.


Fair enough, I been called way worse, but you are right.Who cares, people can talk about how righteous and non racist they are, but it's been proven again and again that everyone is racist to some extent

[Hinny]

...the Maori Party .... They have earned a lot of respect ....

Isn't it a KB convention to write p/t when making statements like this?

or Tui moment.

[Hans]

Who cares, people can talk about how righteous and non racist they are, but it's been proven again and again that everyone is racist to some extent

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

That is a definition of racism. I think you may be confusing "racism" with "racial hatred" and a host of other things. I may yet expand my personal definition of racism to include "Much overused word, whose primary purpose is silencing dissent".

Also, I will freely admit to hate. I hate certain cultures with a passion. That however is not prejudice, because I only came to hate those certain cultures after experiencing them first hand.

[XRVrider]

Someone saying that the proportion of Maori that eat fast food on a regular basis is more than the proportion of Caucasoids that do the same might be a statistical observation, but I think it's pretty obvious when someone (not just XRV, pretty much a good portion of people in NZ) make random statements about it in usually a more informal way, it is usually intended as racism.

Who cares, people can talk about how righteous and non racist they are, but it's been proven again and again that everyone is racist to some extent

KFC comments are not as bad as what Hone said, thats what started this, but they arent right, but it goes both ways as you said.

This country has a long way to go to sort its issues between races, aint much being done, so it gets worse. We are only a little country with a great chance to do something about it. I hope we turn it around but fear the Government wont take a punt and try starting a few things... they should try though.

[mashman]

I've been on the end of this shit before... an englishman in deepest darkest Scotland. Normal day to day life is grand, but when you really push someones buttons someone you know, or at least someone you've seen around the village and have spoken to, spits the dummy and starts screaming at the village folk to hang the english guy watchin the england v scotland game (400 years later... how old is NZ)... Believe the hype and it'll stay around forever! People make bad choices in what to believe sometimes

[wbks]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

That is a definition of racism. I think you may be confusing "racism" with "racial hatred" and a host of other things. I may yet expand my personal definition of racism to include "Much overused word, whose primary purpose is silencing dissent".

Also, I will freely admit to hate. I hate certain cultures with a passion. That however is not prejudice, because I only came to hate those certain cultures after experiencing them first hand.I'm pretty sure it's discrimination based on race

[wbks]

I've been on the end of this shit before... an englishman in deepest darkest Scotland. Normal day to day life is grand, but when you really push someones buttons someone you know, or at least someone you've seen around the village and have spoken to, spits the dummy and starts screaming at the village folk to hang the english guy watchin the england v scotland game (400 years later... how old is NZ)... Believe the hype and it'll stay around forever! People make bad choices in what to believe sometimesThese cases might be a bit more similar when every scottish man has more English blood than they have scottish, but the government keeps passively asserting that the english looking people aren't as entitled because they don't have 1/34th scottish ancestry like the others. Probably sounds like I'm judging your situation and I've never even been to the UK, but you see what I'm saying?

[Insanity_rules]

I'm pretty sure it's discrimination based on race

I'm an equal opportunity biggot. I hate everyone based on humanity.

[Hans]

These cases might be a bit more similar when every scottish man has more English blood than they have scottish, but the government keeps passively asserting that the english looking people aren't as entitled because they don't have 1/34th scottish ancestry like the others. Probably sounds like I'm judging your situation and I've never even been to the UK, but you see what I'm saying?

I'm not English either, but I think you have a good point. There are no "Maori" in New Zealand. There are, however, people with mixed heritage, who choose to see themselves as Maori, conveniently forgetting their "other" ancestry. Why they'd choose to do such a thing...

[scumdog]

I'm not English either, but I think you have a good point. There are no "Maori" in New Zealand. There are, however, people with mixed heritage, who choose to see themselves as Maori, conveniently forgetting their "other" ancestry. Why they'd choose to do such a thing...

Cos you can gain a shit-load of advantages (mainly financial) by doing so...:shutup:

[Hans]

:Oops: Now you've done it...RACIST!!!

[Katman]

I hate white people.

They just need lightly roasting.

[The Stranger]

Where's he stand on ACC levies?

[Hans]

No ACC levies for Maori, presumably.

[carver]

you cunts voted them in....

[pete376403]

It will be interesting to see what the Human Rights Commission makes of this. The words complained of were in a private email. Not a public speech. Freedom of expression protects a lot of things we would ordinarily find offensive.


It was not private e-mail. According to Morning Report, HH wrote "if you want to go public with this, go for it" (or words to that effect) so they became in effect, a publlic statement.

[Forest]

Who cares, people can talk about how righteous and non racist they are, but it's been proven again and again that everyone is racist to some extent

The problem is that people fail to differentiate between race and culture.

I consider many of the elements in Maori culture to be backward & distasteful. But that doesn't mean I hate Maori people.

As an aside, there's very little real racism in NZ. If you want to see real racism in action, then spend some time in Japan or Korea.

[Mom]

If the Maori party do not flick this dicks arse to the wall they will lose what respect they may have gained from mainstream NZ. Honestly, I was actually surprised he got anywhere near high enough up the list to be taking up valuable space in Parliament. Perhaps the Maori party need to re-evaluate their selection process.

That man is a bigot. Still complaining loudly about Treaty injustices.

We know already. Some terrible things went down. They are being compensated for by a couple of generations that had nothing to do with what happened back then.

He is ignorant. Sad but true. His response when questioned, well they did it, so I will do it too! Two wrongs do not make a right. He is an ignorant fool.

[Elysium]

As an aside, there's very little real racism in NZ. If you want to see real racism in action, then spend some time in Japan or Korea.

Japan? Examples of this?

[Hans]

Japan? Examples of this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_issues_in_Japan

[McJim]

Doesn't he have a fair whack of whitey in him anyway? Surely that's a good opportunity to practice some self loathing.

Honky wee bastard.:rofl:

[SARGE]

I hate white people.

i just hate douchebags of any color

[Hans]

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/kornfire15/Douchebag.png

[McJim]

The Maori Party will not discipline him. They haven't the cojones to do it.

Ironic innit - no balls, just a big dick in the form of HH:rofl:

[Pussy]

i just hate douchebags of any color

I'm with you there!
None of us had ANY choice as to how we were born. We have, however, got a choice as to what we become

[Skyryder]

you cunts voted them in....


Not me:innocent:but then some on here think I'm a cock:jerry:


Skyryderr

[Hinny]

If the Maori party do not flick this dicks arse to the wall they will lose what respect they may have gained from mainstream NZ.

How on earth have they earned any respect from Mainstream NZ?

I see nothing but epic fail in everything that is reported of their activities.

[Hinny]

Here's a bit of amusement from Stuff.co.nz:

'Air New Zealand is promoting its airfares by taking the mickey out of two MPs who are in the headlines for their travel perks.

Air New Zealand is suggesting customers could take up their "Los Angeles fares with nothing to Hide", while portraying ACT leader Rodney Hide wearing a mickey mouse hat.

Mr Hide has been in the news for using his parliamentary air travel perks to take his girlfriend on a fact-funding trip to London, where he attended her brother's wedding.

After this the couple travelled to North America and included a visit to a theme park in Los Angeles.

Air NZ is also promoting "Sprung in Paris specials" with a picture of Maori Party MP Hone Harawira wearing a jaunty French beret.

Mr Harawira is in hot water after he lashed out at white people over criticism that he bunked off a work trip in Brussels to visit Paris with his wife.'

[The Stranger]

Here's a bit of amusement from Stuff.co.nz:

'Air New Zealand is promoting its airfares by taking the mickey out of two MPs who are in the headlines for their travel perks.

Air New Zealand is suggesting customers could take up their "Los Angeles fares with nothing to Hide", while portraying ACT leader Rodney Hide wearing a mickey mouse hat.

Mr Hide has been in the news for using his parliamentary air travel perks to take his girlfriend on a fact-funding trip to London, where he attended her brother's wedding.

After this the couple travelled to North America and included a visit to a theme park in Los Angeles.

Air NZ is also promoting "Sprung in Paris specials" with a picture of Maori Party MP Hone Harawira wearing a jaunty French beret.

Mr Harawira is in hot water after he lashed out at white people over criticism that he bunked off a work trip in Brussels to visit Paris with his wife.'

Yes, but do we have to pay for them?

[H00dz]

I wonder what would happen to a white politician who called maori "Black Motherfuckers"?

I dont know probably give him a spot on national radio and elect him as mayor somewhere....... like perhaps whanganui

Seems like Michael Laws and Hone Harwira cancel each other out

[Laxi]

it's all good! I dont think much of him either:lol:

[Dave Lobster]

Yes, but do we have to pay for them?

Just 10% to you, sir :)

[Damon]

I dont know probably give him a spot on national radio and elect him as mayor somewhere....... like perhaps whanganui

Seems like Michael Laws and Hone Harwira cancel each other out

Michael Laws is slightly different, he's just sick of all the bull shit, when the whole whanganui thing came up a few years back he did the democratic thing and held a local referendum and 90%? of voters said no, case closed, but then it got dragged up again on a national level, and he thought haven't we already been here? didn't the people voted no? and then he had to deal with every know it all in the country that thinks not having an H in the name is another way of whitey trying to keep them down, i'd be sick of the bull shit too if i had to deal with it daily like that.

Hone on the other hand is just flat out ignorant and hates white people, kinda funny he would choose to visit a white country that was just as bad as England for colonizing places, mainly paid for by white tax payers, and then come home and insult all white people for his trip,... most people would say thank you

[trustme]

Can anyone remember if Hone was parts of his mums little enterprise at Carrington / Oakleigh. That lot have been rorting & abusing the public system for years, only thing that has changed is they are a bit more cunning. Still mudguards, shiny on top , shit underneath .

[MSTRS]

Whats wrong with Bradford, I think she is Hot.

You do know that if you stay off your meds, you WILL go back to the quiet room?

[peasea]

make up your mind, what do want to be known as.


Pakiha, white man, Caucasian or European.

"Hey you" suits me fine. (Or honky....)

[Dave Lobster]

"Hey you" suits me fine. (Or honky....)

Or, Mr Taxpayer, Sir.

[CookMySock]

Idiots like Harawira just give groups like the National Front the excuss they need to exist.Well thats all good then. I wonder if he needs a hand to remove the bicycle seat from his mouth.

Steve

[peasea]

Or, Mr Taxpayer, Sir.

Crackup link dude, very funny.

[Fatjim]

The point here is that if I were an employer I wouldn't hire the guy because he won't do his job. He was the leader of the delgation and he couldn't be arsed to go. It's like hiring some dumb shit that can't get out of bed in the morning and still wants to get paid.

Add to that that guys got a mouth on him, and doesn't think things through and he really is not cut out to be a polititon.

Lucky there are Maori seats, or open racism like this wouldn't exist in parliment.

[Hinny]

Can anyone remember if Hone was parts of his mums little enterprise at Carrington / Oakleigh. That lot have been rorting & abusing the public system for years, only thing that has changed is they are a bit more cunning. Still mudguards, shiny on top , shit underneath .

Does anyone remember if Hone was convicted for robbing the Pt. Chev. Post Office? Was his brother?

[nudemetalz]

...On his last trip, Hone decided France wasn't enough so thought he'd pop down to Iraq....

Apparently, Barrett .50 cals are good at "raping".....

[McJim]

From the News:

The Race Relations Commissioner says Hone Harawira may not have broken the Human Rights Act by making racist comments. The Te Tai Tokerau MP is meeting with Maori Party officials today to discuss an abusive email he sent defending a trip to Paris.

Commissioner Joris De Bres says the act sets a very high standard in terms of freedom of expression. He says the prime responsibility here is for the Maori Party to uphold its values as a parliamentary party and as a representative of Maori.

Mr Bres says more than 20 complaints have been laid with the Race Relations Commission about Mr Harawira's email, and each one will be looked at individually

So essentially this means it's okay to be racist against whites....in essence we are looking at institutionalised racism.

[Skyryder]

Can anyone remember if Hone was parts of his mums little enterprise at Carrington / Oakleigh. That lot have been rorting & abusing the public system for years, only thing that has changed is they are a bit more cunning. Still mudguards, shiny on top , shit underneath .

It was just the Mum and some other family members if I remember correctly. don't think Hone was in on it.


Skyyrder

[trustme]

Thought it was 1 or 2 of the sons. A number were charged but not all found guilty. Most here will not know / remember what we are talking about.

[scracha]

Commissioner Joris De Bres says the act sets a very high standard in terms of freedom of expression. He says the prime responsibility here is for the Maori Party to uphold its values as a parliamentary party and as a representative of Maori.

So by that standard a National Front MP could say "kill all niggers" as its prime responsibility is to represent white supremacists?.

I can't honestly believe the stupidity of our masters in Wellington.

Aside from paying back ALL his travel expenses, Hone bunny should be made to apologise...and I mean a proper apology. None of the cleverly worded shite politicians come out with that doesn't actually mean "sorry".

[XRVrider]

From the News:

The Race Relations Commissioner says Hone Harawira may not have broken the Human Rights Act by making racist comments. The Te Tai Tokerau MP is meeting with Maori Party officials today to discuss an abusive email he sent defending a trip to Paris.

Commissioner Joris De Bres says the act sets a very high standard in terms of freedom of expression. He says the prime responsibility here is for the Maori Party to uphold its values as a parliamentary party and as a representative of Maori.

Mr Bres says more than 20 complaints have been laid with the Race Relations Commission about Mr Harawira's email, and each one will be looked at individually

So essentially this means it's okay to be racist against whites....in essence we are looking at institutionalised racism.

Agreed on the last part, try saying stuff like he said the other race around, jeez you'd you be hung out to dry by the government and all the PC softies. Interesting what is "freedom of expression" or whatever they said is ok... howecer this is far from finished me thinks. Might be interesting if he just loses his job with no more official punishment. He needs to be made a serious example of, or it will carry on. Aint been called a white mother fucker by a politician before. Still I'm not gonna tar another Maori person with the same brush though.

[H00dz]

Michael Laws is slightly different, he's just sick of all the bull shit, when the whole whanganui thing came up a few years back he did the democratic thing and held a local referendum and 90%? of voters said no, case closed, but then it got dragged up again on a national level, and he thought haven't we already been here? didn't the people voted no? and then he had to deal with every know it all in the country that thinks not having an H in the name is another way of whitey trying to keep them down, i'd be sick of the bull shit too if i had to deal with it daily like that.

Hone on the other hand is just flat out ignorant and hates white people, kinda funny he would choose to visit a white country that was just as bad as England for colonizing places, mainly paid for by white tax payers, and then come home and insult all white people for his trip,... most people would say thank you



Point taken!! I'm not Defending Hone at all, he should be dealt with as the party or Govt sees fit.

I also think that in the same vein that Michael Laws is another example of a thinly disguised rascist as well who is also in a high profile role.

I refer to episode that he suggested that we should look at Sterilising the Underclass where his comments basically would have basicially ringed fenced Maori. and the odd "westy" it reeked of rascism...
another when he attacked Maori school chidlren for writing to him about the H in Whangnui.

In my opinion he as rascist as Hone and the only diferrence is he's not dumb enough like Hone was to get caught.


P.s food for thought.....

If I started telling everyone your name was "Demon" and after a week or two everyone started calling you it, should you be ok with it and leave it as is because everyone has got used to it.

[Pixie]

. Along with that silly bint Anika Moa (when she did an episode on foreign travel)

She's a genius-she was offered an international record deal,but declined it when she found out they wanted her to wear shoes.
Better to be back in unzud on the dole

[The Stranger]

I refer to episode that he suggested that we should look at Sterilising the Underclass where his comments basically would have basicially ringed fenced Maori. and the odd "westy" it reeked of rascism...


Westys? Underclass?
How racist of you.

[wbks]

Point taken!! I'm not Defending Hone at all, he should be dealt with as the party or Govt sees fit.

I also think that in the same vein that Michael Laws is another example of a thinly disguised rascist as well who is also in a high profile role.

I refer to episode that he suggested that we should look at Sterilising the Underclass where his comments basically would have basicially ringed fenced Maori. and the odd "westy" it reeked of rascism...
another when he attacked Maori school chidlren for writing to him about the H in Whangnui.

In my opinion he as rascist as Hone and the only diferrence is he's not dumb enough like Hone was to get caught.


P.s food for thought.....

If I started telling everyone your name was "Demon" and after a week or two everyone started calling you it, should you be ok with it and leave it as is because everyone has got used to it.I think you're pretty racist for suggesting that Maori are the underclass...

[Ixion]

..
P.s food for thought.....

If I started telling everyone your name was "Demon" and after a week or two everyone started calling you it, should you be ok with it and leave it as is because everyone has got used to it.

Works for me.

[candor]

From the News:

The Race Relations Commissioner says Hone Harawira may not have broken the Human Rights Act by making racist comments.

So essentially this means it's okay to be racist against whites....in essence we are looking at institutionalised racism.

To be racist it must have a VERY knock your sox off effect on a specific person. Thats why Jackson et al can say that a maori saying something like white trash isn't, but if shoe is other foot it is. It's about cumulative effects.

As Europeans are not generally denied jobs, entry to rental property etc due to an accumulated bad name and prejudice, caused or perpetuated by accumulated slurs and insults inflicted by a majority group a negative comment is not considered racist (worryingly disempowering in impact).

Has anyone found that Hones comment has affected their employability, life chances, sleep patterns etc? Yes then its racism. No then its not. It's all about context.

For Hones comment to be found racist it would need to have real impact eg a young guy says he raped you because Hone who he thinks the world of told him whiteys are worthless.

Freedom of speech comes with higher responsibility elsewhere - as to close the loopholes like this it is not racist / sexist / ageist IMPACT speech etc that is banned, it is hate speech full stop. I would possibly like to see our rights strengthened by the addition of a ban on hate speech - at least by leaders and public figures.

That would stop Laws and Hone and suchlike all in their tracks.

[Flatcap]

Has anyone found that Hones comment has affected their employability, life chances, sleep patterns etc? Yes then its racism. No then its not. It's all about context.
.


It profoundly affected my digestion - does that count?

[Sidewinder]

and nz hates niggers

[oldrider]

I worry more about the people who listen to this shit than the one's who utter it! :whocares:

The in school adage for this sort of thing in our day was:

"Sticks and stones can break your bones but names will never hurt you" :shutup:

A "nobody" (Hone) says "fuck all" and people "listen"!

FFS move on, there is a real world, with real issues, waiting for us out there! :slap:

[Elysium]

I worry more about the people who listen to this shit than the one's who utter it! :whocares:

The in school adage for this sort of thing in our day was:

"Sticks and stones can break your bones but names will never hurt you" :shutup:

A "nobody" (Hone) says "fuck all" and people "listen"!

FFS move on, there is a real world, with real issues, waiting for us out there! :slap:
Yes but you didn't have to put with the PC bullshit we have today where words do hurt peoples feelings. :violin:

[Fatjim]

I'm gonna stand up and say I wasn't bothered by the remarks Hone spuoted off. I'm not one of those who makes a profession out of being insulted by every little reference to my cultural or ethnic background. In fact, it wasn't a racist statement per se. He said "White motherf...ers" Not "all whites are motherf...kers." There is a difference.

I am bothered by the shit that people, including the race relations officer are saying to avoid the unfortunate discovery by mainstream NZ that yes indeed, there are racists in every race.




Has anyone found that Hones comment has affected their employability, life chances, sleep patterns etc? Yes then its racism. No then its not. It's all about context.



That is the sorriest piece of logic I've seen in a long time.

[Cheshire Cat]

Not only the natives with mits in the cookie jar,seems to be woohoo I'm in government so taxpayers give me perks.

And watching sunrise some maori lady said it's ok for him to do so,she couldn't work out why it isn't cosha for any MP to say I'm off to Brussels then leave after half way to hit Paris,sure he paid for his Paris jaunt,but point they said to her was WE PAID HIM TO GET THERE.Irrespective if he went walkabout,he was supposed to sit through a boring meeting as well,but he is above that.

Selfish fucking cunts!:angry2:

[H00dz]

Westys? Underclass?
How racist of you.

LOL yeah sorry your right Stranger, that wasn't very Fair....I would like to apologise to all of the Maori's there for grouping them with a "Westy" ma bad

[H00dz]

I think you're pretty racist for suggesting that Maori are the underclass...

LOL oops your right there we're only allowed to think it aye, not say it out loud or right it in a email.....

[H00dz]

Works for me.

fair enuff !!!

[The Stranger]

LOL yeah sorry your right Stranger, that wasn't very Fair....I would like to apologise to all of the Maori's there for grouping them with a "Westy" ma bad

That's right, they can hardly claim to be downtrodden under dogs when grouped with us.

[H00dz]

That's right, they can hardly claim to be downtrodden under dogs when grouped with us.

LOL Stranger agreed.......but don't be to yourselves out there, someone had to be "Westies":niceone:

[scracha]

To be racist it must have a VERY knock your sox off effect on a specific person.

So Mr National front can shout "I hate niggers" and Mr Nazi can shout "Jews are thieving bastards?"



As Europeans are not generally denied jobs, entry to rental property etc due


?? You clearly have no idea how not being a "real Kiwi" affects work and social life, even if you are a Y'urrupean.



For Hones comment to be found racist it would need to have real impact eg a young guy says he raped you because Hone who he thinks the world of told him whiteys are worthless.

Hone is essentially reinforcing a belief that some (I did not say all or even many) Maori have that us Pakeha are a lesser race, that we are all robbing bastards and that it's OK to throw a sickie, do a bunk and fraudulently claim or take stuff that you're not entitled to. After all, its only "Puritanical Bullshit" designed by "white motherfukers"

Hone has yet again shamed all of New Zealand and the longer he takes to apologise, the more I think he should be forced to resign. He's clearly not fit to be in office.

[candor]

"Sorry logic" Jim - just explaining the "theoretical framework" the race relations crowd like Joris works by, which made their no fault finding on the racist count predictable. I daresay it works the same way with sexism, like a male boss can't call his secretary honey, but a female one prolly can use such terms to a male and survive...

Yes some Maori do have opinions that whites are poor excuses for humans, if we're even able to be counted as human at all. It's a free world to love or hate who or what you like, I'd just prefer MPs to generate less negativity against the populace, prolly too big an ask. One likely does not enter politics through having a temperate nature and no neuroses, psychoses or axe to grind. :sick:I still want to make a psychodrama doco on MP creatures... ever since my local MP told me (with an uncharming snigger) that Kiwis are docile like sleepy sheep.

Anyway the Maori party says it won't sack, as it still sees potential :eek5:in Hone (50). he does have one refreshing quality for MPs - honesty plus he put up a very endearing justification for the need to pack a wife on trips ("I needed my advisor"), could be a start... but it seems hes angling at a graceful (did it my way) exit

Its hard for men to say S..... If it happens I think there'll be much navel gazing required by the man first, how many daze - maybe not under 3 and up to 7. Someone who feels they have fought racism for decades asked to cop for it - oh dear.

[wbks]

LOL oops your right there we're only allowed to think it aye, not say it out loud or right it in a email.....Actually I'm pretty sure it makes you certifiably racist that you think Maori are the underclass, whether you say it or not... Looks like mr laws isn't so different to you, afterall?

[awayatc]

Hate and stupidity are both colourblind.......

[Dave Lobster]

Hone is essentially reinforcing a belief that some (I did not say all or even many) Maori have that us Pakeha are a lesser race, that we are all robbing bastards and that it's OK to throw a sickie, do a bunk and fraudulently claim or take stuff that you're not entitled to. After all, its only "Puritanical Bullshit" designed by "white motherfukers"


I'm a bit bored myself. Might have a maori day tomorrow..

[Fatjim]

What percentage of "white mofo" is Hone anyway?

[The Stranger]

What percentage of "white mofo" is Hone anyway?

Financially or ethnically?

[oldrider]

Hate and stupidity are both colourblind.......

True! We are our own worst enemies! :yes:

[Swoop]

Thought it was 1 or 2 of the sons. A number were charged but not all found guilty. Most here will not know / remember what we are talking about.

"The Harawira family has long been controversial, first becoming a household name when Titewhai Harawira was imprisoned in the late 1980s for assaulting a patient in her care at Carrington's Maori mental health unit, the Whare Paia."

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0411/S00144.htm

"Mrs Harawira hired family members and other unqualified staff and there were dozens of allegations that staff were allowed to beat patients.

In one case a patient was beaten so badly his skull was fractured.

In other parts of the institution, psychotic patients were turned away, patients and nurses smoked marijuana and two staff members set up a blue movie and sauna business in the basement."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/focus-2000...ectid=10369081

http://www.soundarchives.co.nz/searc...D0x%20Titewhai

Of course in defence they claimed this was the Maori way of doing things, and it was quite wrong of the white establishment to interfere with their customary ways...

[Mully]

I see Hone's got away with it.

He had to apologise and all was forgiven.

What a surprise.

To the Powers that Be (tm): - PLEASE do not let Hone leave the country representing New Zealand again. That's twice this prick has buggared off from the job he is extremely well paid to do and done his own thing.

[trustme]

Thanks Swoop, like I said before that family are mudguards
Hone is only doing what I would expect of a Ngapuhi. Stopped hiring them years ago. If there was a scam, dodge, rort or angle to be exploited , I invariably found a Ngapuhi behind it. Not so much the women who seemed pretty straight, but the blokes gave me endless grief with exactly Hone's sort of stupidity.
Am I a racist , well maybe, I still employ maori & islanders, I am however selective of where they come from. There are a few others that have had the same experience as me.
Hone is strongly supported by his constituency, neither is ever going to change .

[Swoop]

FFS!

Harawira apology would be 'hypocritical' - Samuels (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10608187)

An apology from Maori Party MP Hone Harawira over the inflammatory words he used in an email and his visit to Paris would be hypocritical,
former Labour MP Dover Samuels has said.

Prime Minister John Key and Race Relations Commissioner Joris de Bres today told morning radio and TV shows they believed Mr Harawira should apologise.

The Maori Party is also expected to ask its MP to apologise. Mr Harawira is also unlikely to be given any more official international travel assignments by his party this parliamentary term.

But Dover Samuels - who previously held Mr Harawira's Te Tai Tokerau seat - said the party should instead elect Mr Harawira leader.

"Any apology from Hone would be absolute hypocrisy, he's advocating what he really believes in, he's done that for many, many years before going into Parliament," Mr Samuels told Radio New Zealand.

"Any apology that he would make would be artificial, superficial and he actually doesn't believe it."

Mr Harawira "absolutely" believed in what he said about white people, Mr Samuels said.

[Dave Lobster]

Mr Harawira "absolutely" believed in what he said about white people, Mr Samuels said.

Isn't that reason enough to sack him on the spot??

WTF is wrong with this country?

[Flatcap]

Isn't that reason enough to sack him on the spot??

WTF is wrong with this country?

It's alright if the comments are directed at us honkys

[avgas]

Could be worse.....








.....actually no I take that back - communist china is in a better position than us....

[avgas]

It's alright if the comments are directed at us honkys
I have been informed recently that the correct term i "Stebels" these days

[MisterD]

Isn't that reason enough to sack him on the spot??

WTF is wrong with this country?

Is it really any surprise that a racist electoral system ends up electing racists to parliament?

Someone ought to teach the fucker how to tie a tie properly too...I believe the French Foreign Legion do a good job of that.

[Fluffy Cat]

You dont get it yet....
There is no such thing as a brown, yellow, green racist. Just pink i mean white racists. We just have to get use to it... I mean the poor guy, years of repression takes a toll on you. We should be saying sorry to him.

[ukusa]

with a race based party, doesn't that make them all racist?

[mattian]

If I call someone a "Black muthafu*&^ker" does that make me a racist??

to answer my own question, yes I think it does ! why is it that no one wants to label his remarks as racist ???? Even the Prime Minister this morning was saying that there was a "tinge" of racism in his remarks...... WTF !???? a tinge of racism?? are you mad???????

[trustme]

with a race based party, doesn't that make them all racist?

No it doesn't , mmp simply gives narrow focus splinter groups a chance to wag the tail. The maori party is not anti honky so much as 'pro maori'. The greens are not anti business but pro a flat earth, act are anti everyone else's perks but are not so sure about theirs
The joys of mmp where the tail wags the dog, a system that forces people who know better to kowtow to this rubbish.

[ready4whatever]

with a race based party, doesn't that make them all racist?

Im gonna start a pakeha party... to see how much shit i get for it.

my point being... no other race would get away with it

[Flatcap]

Im gonna start a pakeha party... to see how much shit i get for it.

my point being... no other race would get away with it

Would that include Chinese? As I recall they have also been "raping the land" right along with us White MoFos since the goldrush days

[zahria]

You dont get it yet....
There is no such thing as a brown, yellow, green racist. Just pink i mean white racists. We just have to get use to it... I mean the poor guy, years of repression takes a toll on you. We should be saying sorry to him.

ha ha, yep, I suspect that you are right, and the National apology to Hone will be issued soon...

[mattian]

The Maori were the first humans in Aotearoa to rape the land.... and they did a bloody good job of it too !!! Anyone heard of the Moa ?

[H00dz]

Actually I'm pretty sure it makes you certifiably racist that you think Maori are the underclass, whether you say it or not... Looks like mr laws isn't so different to you, afterall?

Can't argue with your logic, I want to but I just can't - Your not a westy are you? :yes:

[peasea]

The Maori were the first humans in Aotearoa to rape the land.... and they did a bloody good job of it too !!! Anyone heard of the Moa ?

Or the Mori Ori? (And a bunch of other life forms...)

"I don't give a shit what New Zealanders think" (HH)

Fuckin' wanker.

[Paul in NZ]

Stress less - Hone hates everyone (except Hone and Hones mum). Don't take it personally...

[peasea]

Stress less - Hone hates everyone (except Hone and Hones mum). Don't take it personally...

No, take it orally and forget EVERY fuckin' thing.

[scracha]

The Maori were the first humans in Aotearoa to rape the land.... and they did a bloody good job of it too !!! Anyone heard of the Moa ?
Or the hundreds of thousands of acres of forest they'd burn to "flush out" a few Moa for supper. Of course our dear leaders would have us all believe it was the nasty y'urrupean* settlers. I'm all for fairness and settling claims but not at the cost of ignoring the true facts.

Te Kahui Potama anyone?

* why are American, Australian, Chinese, Japanese and other non-europeans who settled here also ignored?


It's clear to me that us Jocks were here first and the Maori should compensate us for the land they stole from us. How long is the government gonna hide the real facts?
http://www.3news.co.nz/Discovered-skull-could-rewrite-New-Zealands-history-books/tabid/367/articleID/65772/cat/73/Default.aspx

http://www.celticnz.co.nz/embargo.html

Vikings, Japanese Whalers......they all came here before. :wari:

[wbks]

Or the hundreds of thousands of acres of forest they'd burn to "flush out" a few Moa for supper. Of course our dear leaders would have us all believe it was the nasty y'urrupean* settlers. I'm all for fairness and settling claims but not at the cost of ignoring the true facts.

Te Kahui Potama anyone?

* why are American, Australian, Chinese, Japanese and other non-europeans who settled here also ignored?


It's clear to me that us Jocks were here first and the Maori should compensate us for the land they stole from us. How long is the government gonna hide the real facts?
http://www.3news.co.nz/Discovered-skull-could-rewrite-New-Zealands-history-books/tabid/367/articleID/65772/cat/73/Default.aspx

http://www.celticnz.co.nz/embargo.html

Vikings, Japanese Whalers......they all came here before. :wari:Not really sure what you're talking about seeing as Maori got here a couple thousand years before that scull was conceived, can't say I give a shit, either. My ancestors were dirt poor and had to fight through countless wars just to survive, not to mention socially accepted racism (until people saw the error of racism towards "them" circa 1945), but I'm not raping/robbing/killing and blaming it on "being dropped from the sticks a few hundred years ago", like someone mentioned earlier

[peasea]

Or the hundreds of thousands of acres of forest they'd burn to "flush out" a few Moa for supper. Of course our dear leaders would have us all believe it was the nasty y'urrupean* settlers. I'm all for fairness and settling claims but not at the cost of ignoring the true facts.

Te Kahui Potama anyone?

* why are American, Australian, Chinese, Japanese and other non-europeans who settled here also ignored?


It's clear to me that us Jocks were here first and the Maori should compensate us for the land they stole from us. How long is the government gonna hide the real facts?
http://www.3news.co.nz/Discovered-skull-could-rewrite-New-Zealands-history-books/tabid/367/articleID/65772/cat/73/Default.aspx

http://www.celticnz.co.nz/embargo.html

Vikings, Japanese Whalers......they all came here before. :wari:

Don't forget.......
http://www.onenzfoundation.co.nz/

[ready4whatever]

I see Hone's got away with it.

He had to apologise and all was forgiven.

What a surprise.

.

Bullshit aye man. In the U.S if a black mp said "white mofo", or if a white mp said "black mofo"... the next day he would get sniped walking out of his house heading to work. Dont know why NZers became pushovers, probably because of the government.. they seem to be the source of all our problems

[peasea]

Bullshit aye man. In the U.S if a black mp said "white mofo", or if a white mp said "black mofo"... the next day he would get sniped walking out of his house heading to work. Dont know why NZers became pushovers, probably because of the government.. they seem to be the source of all our problems

Have to disagree there. I think we let ourselves get walked over by all and sundry, not just the Govt.

Kiwis sit on their hands (or their arses) and watch the world go round, generally speaking. Bastille Day did change some shit.

[Dean]

and nz hates niggers

Quite the pd post their sidewinder, well im feeling in the mood for ownage.

The word "Nigger" was started in America, called to the blacks walking of the slave trade boats. Now used widely amongst the African American community.

To a mature person a rude offensive post on the internet means nothing to them. HOWEVER the severity or content of the message reflects on the mental/emotional state of the person writing it. So perhaps you are suffering from sleep deprivation, something sad happened to you lately, confined to small spaces with no social interaction what-so-ever.

[phred]

Hones good at makin all you white honkies jump up and down and scream.

If you want to do something about it 6000+ bikers goan be in Wellington on Tuesday next week. You could all pay him a visit to discuss how you feel.

[McJim]

Hones good at makin all you white honkies jump up and down and scream.

If you want to do something about it 6000+ bikers goan be in Wellington on Tuesday next week. You could all pay him a visit to discuss how you feel.

I ain't screaming - I'm laughing.

You don't want to listen to that brown boy bullshit do ya?

Brown motherfuckers have been raping our welfare systems for decades and all of a sudden you want me to play along with their p smoking, piss drinking bullshit?

Quite frankly I don't care what you or anyone else thinks about it ....so why the fuck am I actually writing this shit?Oh that's right - I'm an attention whore with a small penis - almost forgot that for a moment.
:rofl:

And the race relations people can't say a thing coz this is about the same as HH said and the institutionally racist race relations people said it was kosher.

Sweet as bro'!

:killingme:

[Robert Taylor]

The Maori were the first humans in Aotearoa to rape the land.... and they did a bloody good job of it too !!! Anyone heard of the Moa ?

That is a fact of history ( and hypocrisy ) that has not escaped many of us that came from the British Isles. We all have a bloody history and skeletons in the cupboard.
Why is the foul mouthed one wearing English clothes and accepting English comforts? He is not too good for an English bullet if thats what is needed to silence him.
Time I think to cast aside the gravy trains of historical grievance and get on with treating each other as kiwis.

[peasea]

I ain't screaming - I'm laughing.

You don't want to listen to that brown boy bullshit do ya?

Brown motherfuckers have been raping our welfare systems for decades and all of a sudden you want me to play along with their p smoking, piss drinking bullshit?

Quite frankly I don't care what you or anyone else thinks about it ....so why the fuck am I actually writing this shit?Oh that's right - I'm an attention whore with a small penis - almost forgot that for a moment.
:rofl:

And the race relations people can't say a thing coz this is about the same as HH said and the institutionally racist race relations people said it was kosher.

Sweet as bro'!

:killingme:

Pat yourself on the back for that post dude. I couldn't have put it better myself.

You can't complain about equality in New Zealand, there isn't any.

[ready4whatever]

Why is the foul mouthed one wearing English clothes and accepting English comforts? He is not too good for an English bullet if thats what is needed to silence him.


Yeah man. haha. If he hates whites so much why dont we strip him of the technology they brought his people. He eats our white mofherfuckin kfc, sleeps in a white motherfuckin house.
Lets give him some of his land back, but first take away the drains the white motherfuckers put in, turn it back to its natural swamp where he would of lived if these white mofos didnt come and rape the land. Whats funny of all is that he is probably half european himself.

[stig]

I ain't screaming - I'm laughing.

You don't want to listen to that brown boy bullshit do ya?

Brown motherfuckers have been raping our welfare systems for decades and all of a sudden you want me to play along with their p smoking, piss drinking bullshit?

Quite frankly I don't care what you or anyone else thinks about it ....so why the fuck am I actually writing this shit?Oh that's right - I'm an attention whore with a small penis - almost forgot that for a moment.
:rofl:

And the race relations people can't say a thing coz this is about the same as HH said and the institutionally racist race relations people said it was kosher.

Sweet as bro'!

:killingme:
Bling#
well said.

This whole threads pretty gold.



Why is the foul mouthed one wearing English clothes and accepting English comforts? He is not too good for an English bullet if thats what is needed to silence him.

And the English language apparently,
I heard his mother talking about this on radio live on Friday:
"...why are they so upset if hes using thier language. Its thier language, so why are they so upset.."

????
Pretty braindead.
She went on with some more ranting about honky and how there would never be peace in NZ.

[Dave Lobster]

Pretty braindead.


Yet still allowed to vote.

[imdying]

If he was a white fella we'd be praising him for standing up and speaking the truth (as he sees it).

[Flatcap]

She went on with some more ranting about honky and how there would never be peace in NZ.

Seems pretty peaceful from where I'm sitting

[Maha]

'Harawira hates white people'...
I suppose white people hate him?

[2wheeldrifter]

'Harawira hates white people'...
I suppose white people hate him?


It's a fair chance that they do.... :Pokey: :clap: :lol:

[Flatcap]

'Harawira hates white people'...
I suppose white people hate him?

I feel sorry for him - he clearly lacks the vocabulary to string together a witty putdown.

Swearing is the reserve of the ignorant

Plus he's a fuckwit

[Maha]

It's a fair chance that they do.... :Pokey: :clap: :lol:

Dont know if its been said before (because I haven't paid to much attention to this thread but) What would the outcry be if say, Mat Robson said something like 'fucken black bastards' in an email? Would the Maori Party call for his sacking?
I have never had any time for the Harawira family, I personally dont think Hone Harawira has any place in Parliament. And what a joke last night having Tuku Morgan on Close Up.

[2wheeldrifter]

I feel sorry for him - he clearly lacks the vocabulary to string together a witty putdown.




We have to forgive him... he's maori :gob: He didn't get a fair chance at life, schooling etc because of the white man. :bash:

[2wheeldrifter]

Dont know if its been said before (because I haven't paid to much attention to this thread but) What would the outcry be if say, Mat Robson said something like 'fucken black bastards' in an email? Would the Maori Party call for his sacking?
I have never had any time for the Harawira family, I personally dont think Hone Harawira has any place in Parliament. And what a joke last night having Tuku Morgan on Close Up.

All freckin hell would break lose if a whity said old blacky was a useless cunt!

[Dave Lobster]

Swearing is the reserve of the ignorant



No it fucking isn't.

[McJim]

It's a fair chance that they do.... :Pokey: :clap: :lol:

He is neither important nor dangerous enough to warrant mild dislike. He has my amusement though. Another person willing to prove that braindeath doesn't need to impede a political career.

The race relations fella who adjudicated that he was not guilty of racism is the person for whom I reserve my ire. He has single handedly validated a clearly racist comment.

[Dean]

How can he hate white people anyway? Does he not know there are NO full Maori, we have all breeded with the scottish, irish, english now we are halfcasts. So Harawira hates his family- Hates himself?

[McJim]

How can he hate white people anyway? Does he not know there are NO full Maori, we have all breeded with the scottish, irish, english now we are halfcasts. So Harawira hates his family- Hates himself?

See post #98

[wbks]

The problem is that people fail to differentiate between race and culture.

I consider many of the elements in Maori culture to be backward & distasteful. But that doesn't mean I hate Maori people.

As an aside, there's very little real racism in NZ. If you want to see real racism in action, then spend some time in Japan or Korea.I didn't really know there was more than one race in Japan? A Japanese dude told me vaguely about some other people that lived off the coast of Japan or something, that aren't really around anymore? Is that what you were talking about? As for Korea, I thought that there was only really one race there, too... Do you just mean north/south Koreans?

[fatzx10r]

Harawira is just a fuckin nigger, he wants the best of both worlds

[Skyryder]

Seems to me Hone’s missing the point. He skives off to Paris after telling his boss that he is sick, cops a bit of criticism from one of his bro’s and then turns around and claims it’s the pakeha’s fault for ripping off Maori.

First of all he lies to his boss and then gets himself caught. Yep that‘s our fault.
Sends an offensive email that suggesting that all pakeha engage in incest with our mothers and then claimes he has the right to rip off the taxpayer because of past grievances.
Isn’t nice that H is in the Maori language. Well here’s a new word that embodies the best of both maori and pakehas language. Whypocrite.

[idleidolidyll]

I'm sure its been asked already but I'm not about to read 2700 posts:

Given that the Maori Party is doing fuck all and the Race Relations Ombudsman reckons it's OK for Harawera to be a racist Maori as long as he doesn't swear, is it OK now to freely discuss brown motherfuckers who sponge off white taxpayers then only apologise for the language and not the sentiment?

or is that racist because a white guy said it?

Devils advocate

[Skyryder]

I'm sure its been asked already but I'm not about to read 2700 posts:

Given that the Maori Party is doing fuck all and the Race Relations Ombudsman reckons it's OK for Harawera to be a racist Maori as long as he doesn't swear, is it OK now to freely discuss brown motherfuckers who sponge off white taxpayers then only apologise for the language and not the sentiment?

or is that racist because a white guy said it?

Devils advocate

Yep just watch the race relations take a dive from now on. Every able body redneck will be spewing forth their froth and it will all be our fault.............still.

Hone's opened a can of worms and is so engrossed with the past that he does not realise it.

Skyryder

[Dave Lobster]

or is that racist because a white guy said it?


That's exactly why.

[oldrider]

Yep just watch the race relations take a dive from now on. Every able body redneck will be spewing forth their froth and it will all be our fault.............still.

Hone's opened a can of worms and is so engrossed with the past that he does not realise it.

Skyryder

You know what Skyryder, you often say how effective a politician Sue Bradford was and to a degree, I agree with you!

The only publicity that is bad for a politician is, "no publicity"!

Hone is playing the old publicity card very well IMHO!

Had he said any of these things in a polite mannerly way, we would never have heard a thing about it!

As well as that, I believe what he actually said and meant to say, is quite correct!

If it wasn't, there would be no need for the Maori party to exist!

Your darling Helen and Phil Goff saw to it that there was a need and woke a sleeping giant! (well, a small sleeping Maori group)

Hone didn't say anything new and got a wealth of publicity for it!

Good political strategy I reckon! Way to go Hone!

[wbks]

You know what Skyryder, you often say how effective a politician Sue Bradford was and to a degree, I agree with you!

The only publicity that is bad for a politician is, "no publicity"!

Hone is playing the old publicity card very well IMHO!

Had he said any of these things in a polite mannerly way, we would never have heard a thing about it!

As well as that, I believe what he actually said and meant to say, is quite correct!

If it wasn't, there would be no need for the Maori party to exist!

Your darling Helen and Phil Goff saw to it that there was a need and woke a sleeping giant! (well, a small sleeping Maori group)

Hone didn't say anything new and got a wealth of publicity for it!

Good political strategy I reckon! Way to go Hone!Yea, they get publicity, alright, but all I've seen them do so far is piss off white people and give every wanabe mandella blowhard more ammo.

[short-circuit]

!4 pages of bile...all that pent up and suppressed racism...just itching for an excuse to spew out

[vifferman]

!4 pages of bile...all that pent up and suppressed racism...just itching for an excuse to spew out
Change your page setup - it's less than 6 on mine....:woohoo:

[candor]

Enough of this. The debate has been moved on or backward with the Harawiras latest "kill a white jibe". Phil goff mofa'n bastard no less. A figurative not literal incitement to murder I assume which is quite nice to hear in this PC era. Apparently t'was Mofa Goff behind the foreshore, its almost as if Mofa HC never existed. Now if he's said that Mofa Clark should be shot for all he did, he might have regained much public sympathy. Now he is offside with the Public, Labour, Nats, a MParty consternation. The Hone party....?

Saying he won't respect whitey protocol in a whitey parliamentary system as they were mean to Maori for 150 years is not mature imo. His wife told him his e-ml was wrong 2 mins after he sent it, and I bet it was not the phraseology that bothered her. We need to switch the bums round and put Hildas on his pew in the House instead, Hone - seen but not heard. Absence of his internal censor (or living under Mums influence) would then not matter.
A friend was wondering if his intellect is a battleground for expression of conflicting views of Mum and of wife.

Is he playing the publicity card well Oldrider, as I fail to see the alliances or popularity gain except among a small group of old school radicals, almost too decrepit to now make it to polling booths.

[Skyryder]

You know what Skyryder, you often say how effective a politician Sue Bradford was and to a degree, I agree with you!

The only publicity that is bad for a politician is, "no publicity"!

Hone is playing the old publicity card very well IMHO!

Had he said any of these things in a polite mannerly way, we would never have heard a thing about it!

As well as that, I believe what he actually said and meant to say, is quite correct!

If it wasn't, there would be no need for the Maori party to exist!

Your darling Helen and Phil Goff saw to it that there was a need and woke a sleeping giant! (well, a small sleeping Maori group)

Hone didn't say anything new and got a wealth of publicity for it!

Good political strategy I reckon! Way to go Hone!

Effectiveness in a politician is a debatable exercise. I don’t think many would make any comparison between the two especially since Bradford was considered by many as one of the most effective politicians in Parliament. I doubt that many, other than Hone’s constituents would hold this man in high regard. Newsworthiness?? Now that’s another issue. Hide for his part may have ‘done’ his chances for re-election so on this score it could be argued that no publicity is better than negative publicity.

As for my darlings, Clarke and Goff waking a sleeping giant I think the sleeping giant would have woken if they had ‘caved’ in to Maori demands. Can you imagine the ruckus if the seabed and foreshore issue went to the courts and Maori won. My darlings did not have the Maori Party to do a deal with and it may well turn out for Key’s good fortune that they did not. I bet ya bottom dollar Key won’t let this go to the Courts either.

As for Hone's way to go......... saying that Goff should be shot yep way to go alright................. untill someone actually tries.


Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Is he playing the publicity card well Oldrider, as I fail to see the alliances or popularity gain except among a small group of old school radicals, almost too decrepit to now make it to polling booths.

Consider yaself told off Oldrider.:bash:

Skyryder

[98tls]

Effectiveness in a politician is a debatable exercise. I don’t think many would make any comparison between the two especially since Bradford was considered by many as one of the most effective politicians in Parliament. I doubt that many, other than Hone’s constituents would hold this man in high regard. Newsworthiness?? Now that’s another issue. Hide for his part may have ‘done’ his chances for re-election so on this score it could be argued that no publicity is better than negative publicity.

As for my darlings, Clarke and Goff waking a sleeping giant I think the sleeping giant would have woken if they had ‘caved’ in to Maori demands. Can you imagine the ruckus if the seabed and foreshore issue went to the courts and Maori won. My darlings did not have the Maori Party to do a deal with and it may well turn out for Key’s good fortune that they did not. I bet ya bottom dollar Key won’t let this go to the Courts either.

As for Hone's way to go......... saying that Goff should be shot yep way to go alright................. untill someone actually tries.To be honest i for one are glad of HHs admisson,fair enough i say hes every right to air his views,theres plenty that feel the same way about him and his kind.What i find disgusting is the apology.


Skyryder The problem here is S simple,you know all this:gob:call us what you will down here its all bullshit,give em the foreshore,jesus if it shuts the fuckers up tell they can have whatever they want,its worked before.You lot have my deepest sympathies really as the hardcore "hate honkies " brigade down here are to busy sitting round drinking piss banging out "dance to my 10 guitars" to be bothered saving a few $ for petrol to get em anywhere near the foreshore.Plenty of "club abbos round here".:wari:Long may it continue.

[ready4whatever]

Bring back old habits... Turn up on his doorstep, "This property has been confiscated and forfeited to the crown" Leave or we will force you off it.. this time not with a muzzle loader but the latest .223 automatic

[MisterD]

Hide for his part may have ‘done’ his chances for re-election so on this score it could be argued that no publicity is better than negative publicity.

Well the ACT party hasn't lost my vote, and I very much doubt Hide will personally have lost much, if any, of his electorate vote in Epsom. Much like Hone, his apology only has to placate his own electorate...



As for my darlings, Clarke and Goff waking a sleeping giant I think the sleeping giant would have woken if they had ‘caved’ in to Maori demands. Can you imagine the ruckus if the seabed and foreshore issue went to the courts and Maori won. My darlings did not have the Maori Party to do a deal with and it may well turn out for Key’s good fortune that they did not. I bet ya bottom dollar Key won’t let this go to the Courts either.


I don't think the MP want it to go to the courts now either...claiming title is a pretty high bar to get across and I don't think they want to chance an Iwi going to court and losing...

[Dave Lobster]

I don't think the MP want it to go to the courts now either...claiming title is a pretty high bar to get across and I don't think they want to chance an Iwi going to court and losing...

That's a lot of forward planning you're counting on there. Do you really think the MP would look that far into the future?

[MisterD]

That's a lot of forward planning you're counting on there. Do you really think the MP would look that far into the future?

Harawira may be unable to think beyond the end of the sentence he's uttering at any given time, but I don't think Sharples and Turia are that dumb...

[Dave Lobster]

i don't think sharples and turia are that dumb...

Really?????

Is this the Turia you're on about?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-express/news/3044798/Turia-shocked-over-Maori-health-report

[avgas]

In all of this, the most worrying thing is that we have a dumb fuck in our parliament who describes the Louvre as "the museum made famous by The Da Vinci Code"...
Haha classic.......mind due he is in that city that was in all those movies remember.
never mind the fact that it was there for a few hundred years before then....

[avgas]

Hones good at makin all you white honkies jump up and down and scream.

If you want to do something about it 6000+ bikers goan be in Wellington on Tuesday next week. You could all pay him a visit to discuss how you feel.
Nah would hate for him to think he was worth the time

[duckonin]

The problem here is S simple,you know all this:gob:call us what you will down here its all bullshit,give em the foreshore,jesus if it shuts the fuckers up tell they can have whatever they want,its worked before.You lot have my deepest sympathies really as the hardcore "hate honkies " brigade down here are to busy sitting round drinking piss banging out "dance to my 10 guitars" to be bothered saving a few $ for petrol to get em anywhere near the foreshore.Plenty of "club abbos round here".:wari:Long may it continue.

Was then and still is now "The way it used to be":whistle:

[MisterD]

Attention Facebookers.

Hone Harawira is a... (http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/group.php?gid=216948967587&ref=nf)

[Skyryder]

:bash::bash:





Skyryder

[MisterD]

I seem to recall you implying my hypocracy in another thread and now you are supporting one.

Yep the high ground is a slippery place to be.


*Citation required*

Regardless, for Rodney to lose my vote there would have to be a viable alternative to lose it to...unfortunately a Libertarianz vote would be wasted.

[idleidolidyll]

*Citation required*

Regardless, for Rodney to lose my vote there would have to be a viable alternative to lose it to...unfortunately a Libertarianz vote would be wasted.

I understand: there are no other extreme right wing parties in NZ but despite the hype; ACT are not libertarianz; they are fascists trying to dictate the rules so capitalists have the freedom to do what they want.

Hyde isn't about a choice between ACC and private health care; he wants ACC destroyed so corporate capitalists can reap the profits and rape the people.

[Winston001]

I didn't really know there was more than one race in Japan? A Japanese dude told me vaguely about some other people that lived off the coast of Japan or something, that aren't really around anymore? Is that what you were talking about?

There are three ethnic minorities in Japan who are regarded as second-class citizens and looked down on. The Ainu people, the Ryukyuan people, and the Burakumin who can be likened to "unclean" castes in India.

Additionally other Asian peoples such as Koreans are regarded as inferior to Japanese. There is a very strong racial divide in Japan but its hard to see from the outside.

In Korea there is still some racism directed against foreigners but its cultural and not obvious to outsiders. The bias is fading with younger Koreans - so I'm told. :D

[Flatcap]

Hyde isn't about a choice between ACC and private health care; he wants ACC destroyed so corporate capitalists can reap the profits and rape the people.

Makes a change from raping the land, I suppose

[Dave Lobster]

Makes a change from raping the land, I suppose

Pretty sure that line of work is sewn up already.

[MisterD]

Hyde isn't about a choice between ACC and private health care; he wants ACC destroyed so corporate capitalists can reap the profits and rape the people.

Beats the Lab / Green aim of turning the biggest possible proportion of the population into beneficiaries dependent on voting for them...

[ManDownUnder]

he wants ACC destroyed so corporate capitalists can ...

...allow me the choice of insurer, or to self insure... and save money?

.... bugger...!

[StoneY]

Beats the Lab / Green aim of turning the biggest possible proportion of the population into beneficiaries dependent on voting for them...

Pffft what a totaly ignorant statement

Labour made it possible for me to get out of a truck cab (what fuckin benefit?) and get a real edumacation like the one my parents were unable to afford after the 'bursary' scheme was fucked over by the Nats back in the late 80's, and replaced with high interest 'student mortgages' by Jim Bolger and his cronies

Interest free student loans, thanks Aunty Helen you helped lift my growing family to just above the poverty line by getting me an IT qualification

Dont like a caring society, go live in the states dude

And Hone, well he can kiss my lilly white Kiwi ass, its OUR seabed not his

oh yeah, paid my 19 grand of student loan off last year :niceone:

[MisterD]

Pffft what a totaly ignorant statement

Yeah? So what is "Working for other people's families" if not an attempt to get the middle classes addicted to the government dole-out?

[Dave Lobster]

Interest free student loans, thanks Aunty Helen you helped lift my growing family to just above the poverty line by getting me an IT qualification


You started a family before you could afford it??

Why should the general (tax paying) population pay for your education/zero interest loan?

SOMEONE is paying the interest.

[Skyryder]

*Citation required*

Regardless, for Rodney to lose my vote there would have to be a viable alternative to lose it to...unfortunately a Libertarianz vote would be wasted.

My humble apologies. :bash: Got ya mixed up with another poster. Still expect a few greenies to make up. I feel a bit like rodney eating humble pie:bye::sick:


Skyryder

[McJim]

I've realised that I owe an apology to Hone Harawira. Apparently no one has told him that we don't have the same relationship with our mothers as he has with his. :rofl:

[idleidolidyll]

...allow me the choice of insurer, or to self insure... and save money?

.... bugger...!

ya think?

despite the propaganda; ACC over the last few decades has been one of the most cost efficient schemes in the western world.

i guarantee that once it is privatised, it will start to rise and within a few years will be considerably more expensive than ACC is now

we are as usual, too close to see the comparison.

a bit like the 2007 research paper on health care across the developed world: NZ rated 2nd or 3rd best and the ONLY thing the Yanks were better at was allowing the mega rich to have the latest gadgets: and their sysytem (private/corporate) cost more than double.

Other good schemes were the UK's and the usual scandinavian systems.

We may bitch and moan and that's not a bad thing as constant improvement is essential, but the fact is we get a hell of a lot for our money.

Given that the corporate/capitalist model the National party seems to be moving towards regarding health care, this article would seem to be quite relevant. Even though they spend twice as much as we do, the yanks get a terrible system: http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Content/Publications/Fund-Reports/2007/May/Mirror--Mirror-on-the-Wall--An-International-Update-on-the-Comparative-Performance-of-American-Healt.aspx

[MisterD]

Other good schemes were the UK's and the usual scandinavian systems.

Anything that rated the NHS as "good" obviously had a fundamental flaw in its methodology somewhere...

[ManDownUnder]

ya think?
yup


despite the propaganda; ACC over the last few decades has been one of the most cost efficient schemes in the western world.



For who? Me or the people I've been subsidising?

And before you launch into the usual diatribe... let start by looking at my zero claims and contrast that with the ACC I've been paying in vehicle registrations alone

[idleidolidyll]

but you'll not explain that to us will you

that's a comparitive study unlike the inward focused contempt for a system when a person lives within it

we always notice lots of things we think are hugely bad about our own systems; but look outward with unrealistic rose coloured lenses

[idleidolidyll]

yup



For who? Me or the people I've been subsidising?

And before you launch into the usual diatribe... let start by looking at my zero claims and contrast that with the ACC I've been paying in vehicle registrations alone

and tomorrow when you have that $100,000 accident? when the litigation industry hikes your costs anyway as in yankland

remember; getting rid of ACC opens the door to the litigation nightmare

unlike yourself; i've don't really begrudge paying for something I may never use: I can see the far greater benefits to society through my own self interest

[Skyryder]

Much mana to this man.

Maori Leader Rejects Harawira Apology as “Embarrassing” and issues his own apology
Ngapuhi Leader and senior relative to Hone Harawira, David Rankin, says he is embarrassed by the apology the MP has given.

“Harawira has disgraced our iwi with his gutter language, and has casued more racial division in New Zealand society than any other single person in a generation”, says Mr Rankin.

“As an MP, we expect certain standards, and instead, Mr Harawira has dragged down all of Ngapuhi to his level. I, and other kaunatua, are deeply ashamed, especially for the offence it has caused our Pakeha brothers”, says Mr. Rankin.

Mr Rankin, as the senior member of Mr. Harawira’s hapu, has today formally apologised to Parliament, Ngapuhi, and the people of New Zealand, for his relative’s outburst, and will be approaching him in the next few weeks to remind him that his priority as MP is to focus on his work in Parliament and the electorate, and not to be sidetracked by opportunities for personal gain.


Skyryder

[idleidolidyll]

Much mana to this man.



hear hear; what that guy said

[scumdog]

Much mana to this man.

Skyryder

Too true, that man deserves a DB.

[Swoop]

Much mana to this man.

David Rankin, says he is embarrassed by the apology the MP has given.

“Harawira has disgraced our iwi with his gutter language, and has casued more racial division in New Zealand society than any other single person in a generation”, says Mr Rankin.
My old mate Dave. A damned good bloke.:yes:

[Elysium]

Much mana to this man.


Source? Link?

[gtr boy]

havnt read through all the posts but look what happened to P holmes.for saying "cheeky darky".fkn shit hit the fan as i remember.

[cmoore]

as a member of the wimofo tribe i am considering taking action to recover the family muskets handed over for lands i have never seen....someone has them...and i want them back!!

[Skyryder]

Source? Link?


I got it from The Standard but since most don't believe this source here's another.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0911/S00095.htm


Skyryder

[Hinny]

as a member of the wimofo tribe i am considering taking action to recover the family muskets handed over for lands i have never seen....someone has them...and i want them back!!

I don't know if our family paid for their land with muskets but I know they did get to see their land.- Ferry landing side of Whitianga.
Unfortunately for them the Crown, generously and retrospectively, set aside all land deals that had been completed for some period prior to the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi.
Gave the land back to the Maori without compensation to those dispossessed of their land.

:whocares:

[wbks]

I don't know if our family paid for their land with muskets but I know they did get to see their land.- Ferry landing side of Whitianga.
Unfortunately for them the Crown, generously and retrospectively, set aside all land deals that had been completed for some period prior to the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi.
Gave the land back to the Maori without compensation to those dispossessed of their land.

:whocares:
What? White people were stripped of their land that they purchased fairly? Can't be right...

[98tls]

What? White people were stripped of their land that they purchased fairly? Can't be right... Why not?no different than being stripped of your hard earned every week to pay for there endless wants and refusal to get the fuck over it and get on with being New Zealanders.

[ready4whatever]

I think of Hone Harawira and his party like the Nazis, come into power and become the government, then take over the country, forcing white mofos into gas chambers

[98tls]

I think of Hone Harawira and his party like the Nazis, come into power and become the government, then take over the country, forcing white mofos into gas chambers No chance,they would fuck it up just like every other thing there given.Bit of luck they would test the shower room themselves.

[Dave Lobster]

No chance,they would fuck it up just like every other thing there given.Bit of luck they would test the shower room themselves.

Did you read this before pressing submit?? Do you really think they'd test a shower???

:blink: