Is Rodney Hide really Rob Muldoon re-incarnated?

[H00dz]

Is it just me or is there some strange resemblance Between these two?? :drinknsin

WTF!!!

Who'd you back in a fight ROB or ROD!!!!


My monies on Rob all the way!! Rodney maybe a prick but has nothing on ROB:headbang:

[Hitcher]

How quickly people forget. Particularly if they weren't even born when Rob Muldoon was around.

[Skyryder]

There'll be no 'beneficiary bashing' from Hide from now on.

Skyryder

[98tls]

Fuck id take Rob over the current bunch of bludgers anyday thanks,subsidise this subsidise that,fuck subsidise everything:wari::wari::woohoo:

[Skyryder]

Is it just me or is there some strange resemblance Between these two?? :drinknsin

WTF!!!

Who'd you back in a fight ROB or ROD!!!!


My monies on Rob all the way!! Rodney maybe a prick but has nothing on ROB:headbang:

Yea Muldoon was a street fighter. He'd 'ave had Hides hide off Hides back before Hide knew it..............even if pissed on Gin.:bash:

Skyryder

[H00dz]

Yea Muldoon was a street fighter. He'd 'ave had Hides hide off Hides back before Hide knew it..............even if pissed on Gin.:bash:

Skyryder

I'm with ya all the way there Skyryder !!!

[H00dz]

Fuck id take Rob over the current bunch of bludgers anyday thanks,subsidise this subsidise that,fuck subsidise everything:wari::wari::woohoo:

bring back "first past the post"

[SARGE]

sorry .. i dont know who Rob Muldoon was .. was he an arrogant fat loudmouth douchebag with the fashion sense of a blind downs syndrome sufferer?

[idleidolidyll]

Is it just me or is there some strange resemblance Between these two?? :drinknsin

WTF!!!

Who'd you back in a fight ROB or ROD!!!!


My monies on Rob all the way!! Rodney maybe a prick but has nothing on ROB:headbang:

there is a resemblence but certainly not on policy: hyde is far more extreme right wing than muldoon ever was

mind you, both had/have that dictatorial bent

it aint right or left wing policies to blame for most of the wrongs; it is almost always the dictators who subordinate the legitimacy of democracy

[98tls]

sorry .. i dont know who Rob Muldoon was .. was he an arrogant fat loudmouth douchebag with the fashion sense of a blind downs syndrome sufferer? :Oops:Na sarge thats Rodney.

[H00dz]

it aint right or left wing policies to blame for most of the wrongs; it is almost always the dictators who subordinate the legitimacy of democracy

WTF, man that was deep!! :headbang:

I'm diggin' it:2thumbsup

[Pussy]

Rob introduced the "Range Rover retention scheme" for cockies....

[H00dz]

sorry .. i dont know who Rob Muldoon was .. was he an arrogant fat loudmouth douchebag with the fashion sense of a blind downs syndrome sufferer?

Get off my thread you savage LOL:angry:

[98tls]

bring back "first past the post" I hear that,no depending on the likes of the Maori party etc.

[H00dz]

I hear that,no depending on the likes of the Maori party etc.

not too mention united future and the greens.....:angry2:

[SARGE]

:Oops:Na sarge thats Rodney.

ok... then..no he is not

[Motu]

None of the current politcians would stand a chance against Muldoon - they would break down in tears,and he'd just cackle in laughter.He was the nearest thing we've had to a dictator (Dick Tator in the joke) in this country - he didn't take shit from any one.Hone would have hung himself in desperation with rope supplied with a smirk.

[98tls]

Rob introduced the "Range Rover retention scheme" for cockies.... Rob made anythiong possible,351 Clevelands from Aussie supposedly going into a je boat to aid mustering on the hills surrounding a certain Nth Canterbury river cost sweet f#ck all after claims.:wari:

[idleidolidyll]

and he was awesome in the Rocky Horor Picture Show.....................I saw him live......

[Motu]

The joke in case you are too young - Muldoon and wife come to a fancy dress party - she is naked with a lemon up her twat,he the same with a potato on his head.She is a sour puss,he is a dick tator.

[Pussy]

When all the subsidies were on aerial topdressing many moons ago... there were instances of some cockies actually GETTING a cheque for having the job done

[idleidolidyll]

I'm proud to say I'm old enough not to have voted for Piggy several times.

I made lots of money from his policies though: Clyde Dam etc

[H00dz]

The joke in case you are too young - Muldoon and wife come to a fancy dress party - she is naked with a lemon up her twat,he the same with a potato on his head.She is a sour puss,he is a dick tator.

ROFL never too old for the classics:rofl:

[98tls]

My old man and a mate of his used to drive round the district rounding up all the young fellas working on farms and delivered them to the voting station:laugh:No vote for piggy meant no job.:eek5:

[Pussy]

Many years ago, Rob Muldoon was skiing on Mt Ruapehu, and came across written in the snow.. "Rob Muldoon is a cunt".
After exhaustive testing, the DSIR found that it was written in Colin Moyle's urine.... but it was Gerald O'Brien's handwriting.....

[H00dz]

I'm proud to say I'm old enough not to have voted for Piggy several times.

I made lots of money from his policies though: Clyde Dam etc

You tell it like it is, but that last post about the rocky horror show, now that was just a little creepy....:sick:

[wbks]

Don't know much about Rob Muldoon, but at a guess, if he DID start winning, Hone and his buddies over in the racial inequality party would be quick on the phone to get some tax paya munies, fly some monkeymob heavies in (buisness class, 'course) and Rob may well be done for!

[vifferman]

This is a stupid thread - they're not alike, not even particularly in looks.
FWIW, at one stage Muldoon lived behind our current neighbours.

Muldoon was an arrogant and belligerent arsehole, who probably did much more harm than good to this country. You'd never have seen him backing down and paying back perks like Rodney Hide did this week.

[98tls]

Don't know much about Rob Muldoon, but at a guess, if he DID start winning, Hone and his buddies over in the racial inequality party would be quick on the phone to get some tax paya munies, fly some monkeymob heavies in (buisness class, 'course) and Rob may well be done for! Na mate,ever been inside the Baeehive?when you get outta the elevator your in a round room with heaps of doors all the same noneof them with a "free stuff " label attached,they would be well fucked.Rob would be sitting pretty upstairs getting pissed completly safe.

[Robert Taylor]

Yea Muldoon was a street fighter. He'd 'ave had Hides hide off Hides back before Hide knew it..............even if pissed on Gin.:bash:

Skyryder

The odd thing is that the lovable old coot ( in spite of the damage he DID do ) was effectively a socilaist

[Robert Taylor]

there is a resemblence but certainly not on policy: hyde is far more extreme right wing than muldoon ever was

mind you, both had/have that dictatorial bent

it aint right or left wing policies to blame for most of the wrongs; it is almost always the dictators who subordinate the legitimacy of democracy

Well theres one thing thats consistent, there are politicians from all ''ends'' of parliament on the take. ''Legitimately'' and blatantly.

[Robert Taylor]

I'm proud to say I'm old enough not to have voted for Piggy several times.

I made lots of money from his policies though: Clyde Dam etc

Ok so you are as hypocritical as the rest of us.

[idleidolidyll]

"Who would win a political punch up?"

Hone would probably win the debate as Piggy would be drunk and Rodney would be in Tahiti with his newq gal.

But afterward Piggy would have Hone executed and Rodney would kiss his arse

[idleidolidyll]

Well theres one thing thats consistent, there are politicians from all ''ends'' of parliament on the take. ''Legitimately'' and blatantly.

dictatorships are always abusive; it's the nature of the beast

those who think its merely about right/left policies are doomed to eternal ignorance and will willingly regurgitate propaganda mantras

[idleidolidyll]

Ok so you are as hypocritical as the rest of us.

how is having a job and doing it well hypocritical?

your old hackneyed rubbish about socialist matyrdom again? or are you gonna launch into one of your "compassionate conservatism" spiels?

please elucidate, was i expected to stand outside piggy's office for 2 terms with a placard or did you expect me to give up working because socialists are anti business? really, i want to know and i need a larf

[Robert Taylor]

dictatorships are always abusive; it's the nature of the beast

those who think its merely about right/left policies are doomed to eternal ignorance and will willingly regurgitate propaganda mantras

Glad then that I dont fall into such a stereotype, even though you may likely pour forth your own mantra.

[idleidolidyll]

Glad then that I dont fall into such a stereotype, even though you may likely pour forth your own mantra.

avoiding again bob?

answer the question: you accused me of hypocrisy; please explain what that hypocrisy is

or run away again, i don't really care

Muldoon started a whole raft of socialist projects and i profited from them along with many others, Clyde Dam in particular: i'm a socialist, where's the hypocrisy?

[MisterD]

Before my time...Maggie would've handbagged the lot of 'em into the middle of next week.

[H00dz]

This is a stupid thread - they're not alike, not even particularly in looks.
FWIW, at one stage Muldoon lived behind our current neighbours.

Muldoon was an arrogant and belligerent arsehole, who probably did much more harm than good to this country. You'd never have seen him backing down and paying back perks like Rodney Hide did this week.

1. It wouldn't be the first stupid thread on this site
2. are you Blind!! of course they look similar
3. Who cares that muldoon lived next door to your neighbours - do you want braggin rights - Have them
4 yes, he was arrogant and belligerent just like Rodney but he didn't F**** around like they do now...
5 And finally we agree on something, he wouldn't back down

p.s thanks for the post you got me going there LOL

[idleidolidyll]

maggie (79-90) and piggy (75-84) were contemporary

hmmm, maggie and piggy; THAT would be one helluva fight indeed

[H00dz]

This is a stupid thread - they're not alike, not even particularly in looks.
FWIW, at one stage Muldoon lived behind our current neighbours.

Muldoon was an arrogant and belligerent arsehole, who probably did much more harm than good to this country. You'd never have seen him backing down and paying back perks like Rodney Hide did this week.


how is having a job and doing it well hypocritical?

your old hackneyed rubbish about socialist matyrdom again? or are you gonna launch into one of your "compassionate conservatism" spiels?

please elucidate, was i expected to stand outside piggy's office for 2 terms with a placard or did you expect me to give up working because socialists are anti business? really, i want to know and i need a larf

Dam It I'm really startin' to like you and that really gets my goat:angry2:

[MisterD]

maggie (79-90) and piggy (75-84) were contemporary

hmmm, maggie and piggy; THAT would be one helluva fight indeed

Before my time, as in I was born '71 in Lancashire so Rob wasn't on my radar...

[SPman]

maggie (79-90) and piggy (75-84) were contemporary

hmmm, maggie and piggy; THAT would be one helluva fight indeed

The mind wobbles.........

[98tls]

Before my time...Maggie would've handbagged the lot of 'em into the middle of next week. That or a simple gangbang.Maggie no doubt would do whatever it took.

[idleidolidyll]

That or a simple gangbang.Maggie no doubt would do whatever it took.

but who woulda bin on top?

[Hitcher]

but who woulda bin on top?

Maggie. Rob was a dwarf.

[98tls]

but who woulda bin on top? Time to bring in Mr D Lange.

[Trouser]

Didn't piggy want to shut the maoris up with a several billion dollar one time payment, money or nothing type deal?

[Robert Taylor]

avoiding again bob?

answer the question: you accused me of hypocrisy; please explain what that hypocrisy is

or run away again, i don't really care

Muldoon started a whole raft of socialist projects and i profited from them along with many others, Clyde Dam in particular: i'm a socialist, where's the hypocrisy?

Easy, it suited the capitalist side of you.

[Robert Taylor]

Before my time...Maggie would've handbagged the lot of 'em into the middle of next week.

Now youre talking. Maggie was the best man in cabinet and the second best if not the best Priminister of England in the 20th century.

[Robert Taylor]

Didn't piggy want to shut the maoris up with a several billion dollar one time payment, money or nothing type deal?

Impossible, the grievance gravy train is forever rotational and reviewable.

[Skyryder]

Now youre talking. Maggie was the best man in cabinet and the second best if not the best Priminister of England in the 20th century.


Try telling that to the families of all who died under her 'friends' rule.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/304516.stm


Skyryder

[98tls]

Try telling that to the families of all who died under her 'friends' rule.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/304516.stm


Skyryder :rockon:This is indeed getting deep,nice.

[Robert Taylor]

Try telling that to the families of all who died under her 'friends' rule.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/304516.stm


Skyryder

Another regime rather less tolerant of marxists and socialists I believe. Pinochet assisted the British during the Falklands war and I dont knock him for that one iota.
How many Argentinian citizens perished under Galtieris junta?
I lived in the UK when Maggie was in power, she lifted it from an economic basketcase to a country that could once again stand tall. Mores the pity that the current idiots running that country have in no small part returned it to being a basketcase. I hope the incoming tory priminister David Cameron has the same mettle as Maggie, he is going to need it.

[idleidolidyll]

Easy, it suited the capitalist side of you.

Good grief

A non sequiter if ever there was one

I asked you to specify the hypocrisy you accused me of, not offer trite bullshit.
Don't be such a lightweight bob, I don't have a capitalist side: I don't believe capital should be controlled by the wealthy minority and I never have

[idleidolidyll]

Maggie and Pinochet were a match indeed.

Pinochet was an extreme right wing fascist and so was Maggie.
I also lived in the UK under the the Madam (When England was the Whore of the World, Margaret was her Madam: Elvis Costello).

Maggie destroyed lives and didn't give a shit about people: she only cared about money. That's a fairly typical sympton of extreme right wing capitalism (fascism)

This is the kind of "compassionate conserva took it further and personally authorised death squads to slaughter his rivals and their supporters. Maggie would have loved the chance.

[Robert Taylor]

Good grief

A non sequiter if ever there was one

I asked you to specify the hypocrisy you accused me of, not offer trite bullshit.
Don't be such a lightweight bob, I don't have a capitalist side: I don't believe capital should be controlled by the wealthy minority and I never have

Good comeback but Ive got to go and earn a little more capital today. I need to, thousands on welfare depend on business taxes.

[Robert Taylor]

Maggie and Pinochet were a match indeed.

Pinochet was an extreme right wing fascist and so was Maggie.
I also lived in the UK under the the Madam (When England was the Whore of the World, Margaret was her Madam: Elvis Costello).

Maggie destroyed lives and didn't give a shit about people: she only cared about money. That's a fairly typical sympton of extreme right wing capitalism (fascism)

This is the kind of "compassionate conserva took it further and personally authorised death squads to slaughter his rivals and their supporters. Maggie would have loved the chance.

Compassionate conservatism might be more accurately personified in someone like Michael Heseltine, Maggies nemesis for some time.

[idleidolidyll]

Bob, it wasn't merely a comeback; it was utter destruction of your disjointed argument. Non sequiter indicates an argument in which the conclusion cannot be logically drawn from the premis proposed.

Your comment was a throw away and pretty much symptomatic of a lack of rational argument.

I'm still waiting for your rational explanation of exactly how I am a hypocrite based on these posts; or do you now retract that accusation?

As for "compassionate conservative": we can only judge externally based on your posts online. Given that you support both Maggie and Pinochet, it is clear that the conservatism you espouse contains bugger all compassion and as with most using the phrase; it is merely a label you assign yourself because you don't like the explicit labels your viewpoints actually deserve.

Maggie was never compassionate and Pinochet employed murder squads to eliminate his opposition. Your support of both is a very clear indication of your lack of genuine compassion.

[Indiana_Jones]

Everyone needs to Q_Q moar

-Indy

[Swoop]

muldoon was a mistake for this country. Thank fuck the prick is dead, just a shame it didn't happen when he was in office as it would have helped the country.


i profited from them along with many others, Clyde Dam in particular
Were you pouring the concrete or erecting the boxing for the pour?

[idleidolidyll]

muldoon was a mistake for this country. Thank fuck the prick is dead, just a shame it didn't happen when he was in office as it would have helped the country.


Were you pouring the concrete or erecting the boxing for the pour?

Nope, I was selling them rollers, excavators, loaders and dozers.

Those tunnels up into the slips were bloody scary and so was sitting 30' below the level of the river with just a few steel walls between life and death.

[MisterD]

Maggie was never compassionate and Pinochet employed murder squads to eliminate his opposition. Your support of both is a very clear indication of your lack of genuine compassion.

Ah yes, back to the categorisation of acceptable and unacceptable mass-murderers...

Che Guevara? Hero of the left
Mao? Ditto
Lenin? Ditto

[idleidolidyll]

Ah yes, back to the categorisation of acceptable and unacceptable mass-murderers...

Che Guevara? Hero of the left
Mao? Ditto
Lenin? Ditto

don't forget all those right wing african murderers or the puppet murderers in S E Asia .

I don't categorise any mass murderer as acceptable, not Hitler, not Mugabe, not Pol Pot, not Stalin, not Pinochet and not George Bush Jr

It does seem however, that Bob Taylor finds some of them quite acceptable

[vifferman]

Who cares that muldoon lived next door to your neighbours
I didn't think anybody would - it was just summat that popped into my head.
:confused:
I still don't think that (apart from being follicly challenged) they look that much alike.

[Robert Taylor]

Bob, it wasn't merely a comeback; it was utter destruction of your disjointed argument. Non sequiter indicates an argument in which the conclusion cannot be logically drawn from the premis proposed.

Your comment was a throw away and pretty much symptomatic of a lack of rational argument.

I'm still waiting for your rational explanation of exactly how I am a hypocrite based on these posts; or do you now retract that accusation?

As for "compassionate conservative": we can only judge externally based on your posts online. Given that you support both Maggie and Pinochet, it is clear that the conservatism you espouse contains bugger all compassion and as with most using the phrase; it is merely a label you assign yourself because you don't like the explicit labels your viewpoints actually deserve.

Maggie was never compassionate and Pinochet employed murder squads to eliminate his opposition. Your support of both is a very clear indication of your lack of genuine compassion.

No, just dont need to waste time arguing with an unreformable socialist as frankly I have bigger fish to fry. Where did I say I supported Pinochet other than the one act of history where he helped out Maggie during the successful Falklands war? Anyone reading this thread will realise that you have deliberately tried to twist what I have said into something more.
And I just bet Ive got just as much compassion for the avearge man in the steet than you, if not more so.

[idleidolidyll]

No, just dont need to waste time arguing with an unreformable socialist as frankly I have bigger fish to fry. Where did I say I supported Pinochet other than the one act of history where he helped out Maggie during the successful Falklands war? Anyone reading this thread will realise that you have deliberately tried to twist what I have said into something more.
And I just bet Ive got just as much compassion for the avearge man in the steet than you, if not more so.

actually you're just a lightweight and don't have the skills to argue with me.

BTW: there is no need to 'reform' a socialist as it isn't a disease like fascism

I don't ever expect you to offer a sane rational argument or to explain clearly why you call me a hypocrite because you are self deluded and merely regurgitate propaganda.

However, any time you decide to attack me with your nonsense you'll get the very same grilling you've just received so all can see how shallow your 'arguments' are

[Robert Taylor]

actually you're just a lightweight and don't have the skills to argue with me.

BTW: there is no need to 'reform' a socialist as it isn't a disease like fascism

I don't ever expect you to offer a sane rational argument or to explain clearly why you call me a hypocrite because you are self deluded and merely regurgitate propaganda.

However, any time you decide to attack me with your nonsense you'll get the very same grilling you've just received so all can see how shallow your 'arguments' are

Well theres one thing that consistently shines through with hardened socialists, you are so totally convinced that your way is the only way. Gets even worse when mixed with arrogance, as you have just very capably demonstrated. You leave me for dead in respect of that.

[idleidolidyll]

hilarious ad vomitum!

fascists don't give a shit about the human consequences as long as your cosy little group profits. that's compassionate conservatism: a lie easily exposed merely by listening to the rants of the indoctrinated.

unlike conservatives, us liberals actually DO welcome change and accept other cultures; that's actually the definition of the term

conservatives on the other hand resist change and resist acceptance of differences. They are inward focused and intolerant.

as is often the case; conservatives often like to spout nonsense like this "you are so totally convinced that your way is the only way" when actually that's their very definition

One thing is true though: conservatives are a diverse group. They are that way because each group believes that their way is the only correct way and all others are wrong......including other conservative groups. All religious fundamentalists are conservative for instance and they refuse to accept other belief systems

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[idleidolidyll]

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–adjective <table class="luna-Ent"> <tbody><tr> <td class="dnindex" width="35">1.</td> <td>favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table class="luna-Ent"> <tbody><tr> <td class="dnindex" width="35">2.</td> <td>(often initial capital letterhttp://sp.ask.com/dictstatic/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table class="luna-Ent"> <tbody><tr> <td class="dnindex" width="35">3.</td> <td>of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table class="luna-Ent"> <tbody><tr> <td class="dnindex" width="35">4.</td> <td>favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table class="luna-Ent"> <tbody><tr> <td class="dnindex" width="35">5.</td> <td>favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers. </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table class="luna-Ent"> <tbody><tr> <td class="dnindex" width="35">6.</td> <td>of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table class="luna-Ent"> <tbody><tr> <td class="dnindex" width="35">7.</td> <td>free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners. </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table class="luna-Ent"> <tbody><tr> <td class="dnindex" width="35">8.</td> <td>open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table class="luna-Ent"> <tbody><tr> <td class="dnindex" width="35">9.</td> <td>characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor. </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table class="luna-Ent"> <tbody><tr> <td class="dnindex" width="35">10.</td> <td>given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation. </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table class="luna-Ent"> <tbody><tr> <td class="dnindex" width="35">11.</td> <td>not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule. </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table class="luna-Ent"> <tbody><tr> <td class="dnindex" width="35">12.</td> <td>of, pertaining to, or based on the liberal arts.</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table class="luna-Ent"> <tbody><tr> <td class="dnindex" width="35">13.</td> <td>of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman.</td> </tr> </tbody></table>
–noun <table class="luna-Ent"> <tbody><tr> <td class="dnindex" width="35">14.</td> <td>a person of liberal principles or views, esp. in politics or religion.</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table class="luna-Ent"> <tbody><tr> <td class="dnindex" width="35">15.</td> <td>(often initial capital letterhttp://sp.ask.com/dictstatic/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png) a member of a liberal party in politics, esp. of the Liberal party in Great Britain.</td> </tr> </tbody></table>

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[idleidolidyll]

yep, i'm a modern liberal socialist; as left liberal as people like Gandi and jeebus, ralph nader, the greens etc

on the opposite side we see hitler, bush, thatcher, pinochet, National etc

NZ took a huge step toward fascism in 2008:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2008

(fascism is extreme conservatism BTW)

[MisterD]

Liberal...there's a stolen label if ever there was one.

True, Classical, Liberals believe in little state intervention, self reliance and "if it doesn't hurt anyone else who cares"...and a lot of us get tarred as "far right fascists" by people like...you.

[MisterD]

(fascism is extreme conservatism BTW)

Fascism is extreme authoritarianism...and is as equally found on the far left as right.

[idleidolidyll]

Fascism is extreme authoritarianism...and is as equally found on the far left as right.

that's a modern manipulation of the meaning: it is traditionally extreme right wing authoritarianism and generally it is capitalists who try to change the meaning: by definition extreme capitalism is authoritarian

a capitalist is someone who controls capital
capitalism is a system in which the control of capital is in the hands of the capitalists

to do that, the capitalist minority have to use extreme authoritarianism to keep the capital in their control and not let the masses get more than crumbs

Oxford dictionary:
capitalism


• noun an economic and political system in which a country’s trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.



socialism

• noun a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.


fascism

/fashiz’m/
• noun 1 an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government. 2 extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.

[idleidolidyll]

Liberal...there's a stolen label if ever there was one.

True, Classical, Liberals believe in little state intervention, self reliance and "if it doesn't hurt anyone else who cares"...and a lot of us get tarred as "far right fascists" by people like...you.

oh dear; i prefer the actual meanings of words rather than the propagandist versions

see above

[idleidolidyll]

so all i'm doing in fact, is assigning a descriptive word to you based on the oxford and your posts

yes, there are shades of grey

[MisterD]

that's a modern manipulation of the meaning:

So you're all for modern definitions when it comes to the political compass, but you don't like it when it hurts your precious lefty credentials?

It's a true recognition of the fact that rather than being polar opposites Hitler and Stalin were pretty much the same thing approached from different directions...

[idleidolidyll]

oh dear, more non sequiters

i'm a liberal and by that definition, progressive and accepting, but that doesn't mean i accept propagandist manipulation of word definitions

please, refrain from straw men and other fallacy argument tactics

for those interested in spotting bullshit arguments:

one of the best sites on the internet: http://www.fallacyfiles.org/

[idleidolidyll]

it's a true recognition of the fact that rather than being polar opposites Hitler and Stalin were pretty much the same thing approached from different directions...

ROTFLMFAO!! a liberal you claim is authoritarian

you're a joke man!

[Robert Taylor]

Verbose with breathtaking arrogance. ''The ways and views of the left are the only correct way'' ( apparently )
In my world the most agreeable conservatives are those who embrace good change but are not predisposed to change for changes sake.
Must way to pursue more dirty filthy capitalist pursuits..............
Rattle on all you like Idioticlefty, it is your incessant and protracted ramblings that are a joke.

[Skyryder]

Verbose with breathtaking arrogance. ''The ways and views of the left are the only correct way'' ( apparently )
In my world the most agreeable conservatives are those who embrace good change but are not predisposed to change for changes sake.
Must way to pursue more dirty filthy capitalist pursuits..............
Rattle on all you like Idioticlefty, it is your incessant and protracted ramblings that are a joke.

The only joke at the moment is Key and his ministers + their two party partners.

'Black comedy' for want of a better description.


Skyryder

[98tls]

The only joke at the moment is Key and his ministers + their two party partners.

'Black comedy' for want of a better description.


Skyryder You could be describing the Nth Isle from where i sit.:innocent:

[Skyryder]

You could be describing the Nth Isle from where i sit.:innocent:

Yea but David Carter lives down here. Now there's a comedian looking for a comedy writer if I ever saw one.

[MisterD]

oh dear, more non sequiters

i'm a liberal and by that definition, progressive and accepting, but that doesn't mean i accept propagandist manipulation of word definitions

please, refrain from straw men and other fallacy argument tactics

for those interested in spotting bullshit arguments:

one of the best sites on the internet: http://www.fallacyfiles.org/

Bull and shit.

Classical liberalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism)

You're the one with the propagandist word stealing. Progressive, change for the sake of change, social engineering...I'll let you keep that one.

[Skyryder]

Bull and shit.

Classical liberalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism)

You're the one with the propagandist word stealing. Progressive, change for the sake of change, social engineering...I'll let you keep that one.

As per usual you have no idea what your are on about.

Modern liberalism has it’s roots in the Age of Enlightenment. A term used to describe the western culture at a time in the 18 century where much change in the form of personal liberty was evolving from the Divine Right of Kings i.e. the American War of Independence. John Lock proposed it’s philosophical foundations in that he believed ‘no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty, or possessions.’ This was a political philosophy.

The libertarians have hijacked this and turned this into an economic theory in which they believe this to be true for themselves but not for those that come from a less endowed social position.


Skyryder

[spacemonkey]

sorry .. i dont know who Rob Muldoon was .. was he an arrogant fat loudmouth douchebag with the fashion sense of a blind downs syndrome sufferer?

No he was nothing like Glen Beck.

[Robert Taylor]

The only joke at the moment is Key and his ministers + their two party partners.

'Black comedy' for want of a better description.


Skyryder

AND JUST WHERE DID 9 YEARS OF LABOUR GET US, latterly in cohoots with the Watermelons? Dont get me started!

As for that foul mouthed racist and perks for the perkbuster yes I agree, but individual acts that deserve brutal retribution.

[spacemonkey]

You tell it like it is, but that last post about the rocky horror show, now that was just a little creepy....:sick:

Yeah but he was Perfect as the narrator!
I was gutted he wasn't on the night I went. :(

[Robert Taylor]

As per usual you have no idea what your are on about.

Modern liberalism has it’s roots in the Age of Enlightenment. A term used to describe the western culture at a time in the 18 century where much change in the form of personal liberty was evolving from the Divine Right of Kings i.e. the American War of Independence. John Lock proposed it’s philosophical foundations in that he believed ‘no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty, or possessions.’ This was a political philosophy.

The libertarians have hijacked this and turned this into an economic theory in which they believe this to be true for themselves but not for those that come from a less endowed social position.


Skyryder

Of course then by implication as a flag bearer of the left you have to come from a less endowed social postion to have any credibility.
Norman Kirk personified that and what a bloody disaster he was.

[MisterD]

Modern liberalism has it’s roots in the Age of Enlightenment. A term used to describe the western culture at a time in the 18 century where much change in the form of personal liberty was evolving from the Divine Right of Kings i.e. the American War of Independence. John Lock proposed it’s philosophical foundations in that he believed ‘no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty, or possessions.’ This was a political philosophy.

The libertarians have hijacked this and turned this into an economic theory in which they believe this to be true for themselves but not for those that come from a less endowed social position.

Oh come on, you can't separate "political" and "economic".

I'm sticking by my postion that to equate the term "liberal" with the kind of big-state social engineering that characterised the last decade in this country is stupid.

Also, while you're banging on about social position, I will make the point that a liberal wish for equality of opportunity doesn't have much to do with the socialist / progressive (yay for Jim's vanity party!) wish for equality of outcome (oh, and my own Grandfather's first job was shifting pit-props on Hull docks, so lay off with the working class hero stuff).

[Pixie]

Yea Muldoon was a street fighter. He'd 'ave had Hides hide off Hides back before Hide knew it..............even if pissed on Gin.:bash:

Skyryder

In fact He'd jump out of Hiding in a Hide and 'ave had Hides hide off Hides back before Hide could run away and Hide in a Hidy hole

[Skyryder]

Oh come on, you can't separate "political" and "economic".

I'm sticking by my postion that to equate the term "liberal" with the kind of big-state social engineering that characterised the last decade in this country is stupid.[/SIZE].

Yes you can if you look at the historical factors. Liberal was the defining theory that opposed the 'Divine Right' of the monarchy. It had nothing to do with economics. Liberalism opposed subjucation.

The concept has been changed by the 'Freebooters' as their Divine Right to pillage and plunder at will. It is the very reason they espouse less government, regulation etc.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

AND JUST WHERE DID 9 YEARS OF LABOUR GET US, latterly in cohoots with the Watermelons? Dont get me started!

As for that foul mouthed racist and perks for the perkbuster yes I agree, but individual acts that deserve brutal retribution.


So do bad jokes.

From Hansard Oct 20 09

Hon Phil Goff: Does the Prime Minister think it is fair that motorcycle riders are facing levy increases of up to 300 percent; if not, will he work with Labour to ensure that that massive increase in costs faced by bikers will be substantially reduced?


Hon JOHN KEY: I guess the first thing I would say is that Mr Goff should rest assured that people do not have to pay that big increase if they only borrow a motorbike,:rofl::rofl: and do not actually own it.:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

The second point I might add is that the Accident Compensation Corporation (ACC) is proposing what it is fair enough to say is quite a significant increase for owners of larger motorbikes, with a proposed levy increasing by about $500, to $781. As I said yesterday at my press conference, it is worth remembering that on the advice we have had from ACC, a full cost recovery levy for motorcycle-only accidents is $2,215 and if we take into consideration accidents where a car is involved, the levy should increase to $3,770. Yes, it is a big increase, but other New Zealanders should know they are already substantially cross-subsidising motorbike riders.:Oops:


Got the first one. Now that was funny. Might have something to do with the Maori Party. But for the life of me I can not see the puch line for the second one. I'd say he needs a new comedy writer. Watcha think??


Skyryder

[MisterD]

The concept has been changed by the 'Freebooters' as their Divine Right to pillage and plunder at will. It is the very reason they espouse less government, regulation etc.


...at least that is the ideological argument put forward by the big state lovers.

[Skyryder]

...at least that is the ideological argument put forward by the big state lovers.

No wrong again. It's the 'historical' arguement put forward by those who know.


Skyyrder

[MisterD]

those who know.

Translation: socialist history lecturers in universities...

[Skyryder]

Translation: socialist history lecturers in universities...

If you actually went to the trouble of just pressing a few button on your keyboard and actually looked at the origins of liberalism you would not make so many silly statements on this issue. John Locke is considered the founder on the liberal theories. I doubt if many would see this man in the context that you describe but considering your KB name I suppose you can not help if I consider your posts a D=fail.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Locke

Skyrder

[Robert Taylor]

So do bad jokes.

From Hansard Oct 20 09

Hon Phil Goff: Does the Prime Minister think it is fair that motorcycle riders are facing levy increases of up to 300 percent; if not, will he work with Labour to ensure that that massive increase in costs faced by bikers will be substantially reduced?


Hon JOHN KEY: I guess the first thing I would say is that Mr Goff should rest assured that people do not have to pay that big increase if they only borrow a motorbike,:rofl::rofl: and do not actually own it.:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

The second point I might add is that the Accident Compensation Corporation (ACC) is proposing what it is fair enough to say is quite a significant increase for owners of larger motorbikes, with a proposed levy increasing by about $500, to $781. As I said yesterday at my press conference, it is worth remembering that on the advice we have had from ACC, a full cost recovery levy for motorcycle-only accidents is $2,215 and if we take into consideration accidents where a car is involved, the levy should increase to $3,770. Yes, it is a big increase, but other New Zealanders should know they are already substantially cross-subsidising motorbike riders.:Oops:


Got the first one. Now that was funny. Might have something to do with the Maori Party. But for the life of me I can not see the puch line for the second one. I'd say he needs a new comedy writer. Watcha think??


Skyryder

If you read my posts in other threads you will know what I think on this one. Some increase is justified, but also sporting injuries should not be covered by ACC and they should be mindful of specialists and sub contractors to ACC hiking their charges. It is a curiosity that when Labour is in power the gravy trains really flow at a fast pace. Time to rein it all in.

[The Pastor]

sorry .. i dont know who Rob Muldoon was .. was he an arrogant fat loudmouth douchebag with the fashion sense of a blind downs syndrome sufferer?
you must be related then

[Robert Taylor]

Translation: socialist history lecturers in universities...

Give up Mr D! We are dealing with people whos divine right is to assert that their leftist leanings is the only system that is ''correct''
They just cannot get their minds around that there can be a balance between capitalism and social compassion, but social compassion without vote buying handouts.
The National Government is by no means perfect but its a pleasure to wake up everyday and realise that we no longer have an evil bitch running the country. And where did she and her arrogant finance minister get us...massively increased costs through a levy anything that moves mentality and nothing left in the kitty.

[Skyryder]

If you read my posts in other threads you will know what I think on this one. Some increase is justified, but also sporting injuries should not be covered by ACC and they should be mindful of specialists and sub contractors to ACC hiking their charges. It is a curiosity that when Labour is in power the gravy trains really flow at a fast pace. Time to rein it all


No increased is justified if based on a lie and the ACC levy increase is based on that. There is plenty of evidence of this outside of the political arena,

http://blogs.nzherald.co.nz/blog/inside-money/2009/10/16/acc-broke-or-levy-too-heavy/?c_id=1502776

There is also the Price Waterhouse report not to mention KB's very own You tube vid.


but the only evidence that the kitty is bare is based on an accounting procedure and the lies emanting from Key, Smith, and that Buisness Roundtable member John Judge.

And you query my reading of threads. Jeeez RT there's a whole section on Key and Smiths bullshit. Its called the ACC Campaign.


Skyryder

[MisterD]

If you actually went to the trouble of just pressing a few button on your keyboard and actually looked at the origins of liberalism you would not make so many silly statements on this issue. John Locke is considered the founder on the liberal theories. I doubt if many would see this man in the context that you describe but considering your KB name I suppose you can not help if I consider your posts a D=fail.


We're not talking about origins, we're talking about later re-interpretations and the fact that lefty big-state, punish the successful policy has f-all to do with Liberalism.

[Skyryder]

We're not talking about origins, we're talking about later re-interpretations and the fact that lefty big-state, punish the successful policy has f-all to do with Liberalism.

Not much point in debating about something you have no knowledge on. You claimed Liberalism was one thing when it's something else.

I'm going to take RT's advice and give up.

Skyryder