So how much do you reckon it will be when the dust settles?

[Kiwi Graham]

So after all the protests and submissions and they have gone away and reviewed everything. There is a feeling that the initial massive price hike proposal is meant to make the 'real' price rise more paltable.

How much do you recon it will go up if thats the case?

[vifferman]

12 meeeeleeeons.

Or perhaps $376.27 (plus GST).

[Ender EnZed]

Are we talking about the increase for the over 600cc bikes only here?

[StoneY]

I am aiming for ZERO increase

Or even a reduction once the truth has been exposed

We rolled over 10 months ago whne thay doubled it, im NOT lettine them raise it any further, its unjustifiable

BIKEOI peacfully...then outright revolution if we are ignored
WORD

[Kiwi Graham]

Are we talking about the increase for the over 600cc bikes only here?

Each capacity is getting huge increases proposed so its all relative.

[YellowDog]

I would hope that I am completely wrong however I suspect that this will all go through as proposed and there will be the possibility of a restructure at a later date.

Especially when they find that revenues have in fact not increased as projected and there are many non-rego illegal riders on the road.

There will be lots of rego suspensions over the winter.

[Ender EnZed]

Each capacity is getting huge increases proposed so its all relative.

But there's currently a flat rate for all capacities (scooters don't count), so the proposed percentage increase is different for each capacity.

But I'm expecting to pay 100% less after the dust has settled anyway.

[Laxi]

i'm not ready to talk "settling" yet, are you?:mad:

[Bald Eagle]

i'm not ready to talk "settling" yet, are you?:mad:

This is only the curtain raiser. The real battles start on the 18th.
I don't for one moment expect either ACC or the Government to back off at the first sign of opposition. We are in this for the long haul with the objective of a complete review of ACC structures and charges.

[madmal64]

No increase on motorcycle rego's is what I would expect the outcome to be, BUT you watch them move to another forms of revenue collection. Some of it will be quite up front like at drivers license level and others will be more subtle and hidden.

[kwaka_crasher]

50 to 100% increase is my best guess regardless of what we do.

[Cloggy]

Be careful how you vote. It won't be just us (bikers) looking at this website and these polls.
If too many vote 100% increase (double what you are paying now) then this could be seen as an acceptable compromise by ACC and the government.
The only acceptable increase is zero or negative.

[Laxi]

Be careful how you vote. It won't be just us (bikers) looking at this website and these polls.
If too many vote 100% increase (double what you are paying now) then this could be seen as an acceptable compromise by ACC and the government.
The only acceptable increase is zero or negative.

hit the nail on the head

[scissorhands]

Regarding ACC levies, anything of substance by those in the fore should not be discussed here, online, over the phone...And others too need to think before they open their gob

[325rocket]

heres what is going to happen ...

zero increase and a statement that goes something like ...

"after reviewing the proposed increase we have taken all concerns into account and will not increase the ACC levy on road registered motorcycles. however New Zealand can not afford to carry the continued loss due to motorbike accidents. Due to this we have no choice but to open ACC up to competition from the private sector."

We are doing exactly what they expect / want us to do but what other options do we have.

[NONONO]

heres what is going to happen ...

zero increase and a statement that goes something like ...

"after reviewing the proposed increase we have taken all concerns into account and will not increase the ACC levy on road registered motorcycles. however New Zealand can not afford to carry the continued loss due to motorbike accidents. Due to this we have no choice but to open ACC up to competition from the private sector."

We are doing exactly what they expect / want us to do but what other options do we have.

See, here's the thing, it's political..
My old mate had a saying, went like this...
"if you hit them hard enough...you knock em out..
and then they are on the ground see?
And then they have to go to hospital, and they don't never bovver you again"
Two things ,
1. he was from the east end of London, my mate, and a bit on the big side. Therefore always right.
2. It rhymes.
All good eh?

[Pixie]

I am aiming for ZERO increase

Or even a reduction once the truth has been exposed

We rolled over 10 months ago whne thay doubled it, im NOT lettine them raise it any further, its unjustifiable

BIKEOI peacfully...then outright revolution if we are ignored
WORD

I will only accept a 0% increase

[twotyred]

2 steps forward,one step back... they'll get a huge increase,but not as large as they pretended they needed... then everyone will feel all warm and fuzzy that they showed those pollies how strong we the people are... and National will still be laughing,at the end of the day

[Kiwi Graham]

0% is what I am hopeful to expect and am with Stoney on the idea that if full exposure to the ACC bullshit happens even a reduction!

A fair, evenly distributed levy for all motorists. Not targeting minority groups

[StoneY]

Be careful how you vote. It won't be just us (bikers) looking at this website and these polls.
If too many vote 100% increase (double what you are paying now) then this could be seen as an acceptable compromise by ACC and the government.
The only acceptable increase is zero or negative.

Mate, when I make PM, your gonna run my treasury...(I mean OUR treasury)

:lol:

[vstrom]

get real the price is going up.we pay 500+ to insure a bike worth say 15g whats the big deal about payin a bit more than that to cover ourselfs, id like to think im worth a bit more than a bike .keep wingin and sell ya bikes. get off your arces and go and earne ya $ to pay your bills ,or get out of the game

[Pixie]

get real the price is going up.we pay 500+ to insure a bike worth say 15g whats the big deal about payin a bit more than that to cover ourselfs, id like to think im worth a bit more than a bike .keep wingin and sell ya bikes. get off your arces and go and earne ya $ to pay your bills ,or get out of the game

Go back to your desk,:tugger: ACChole

[bogan]

The dust shall never settle until this ridiculous levy increase is abolished. Unfortunately thatll probably be when it all goes private though.

[wysper]

I think National runs the risk of losing power if they push this through. And not just because it is a big increase and a hit to bikers... they will push another special interest group and then another and all of a sudden their voting block will have diminished greatly. I would say there are many National voters that are bikers. This will hit National where it really hurts. Their seat - seat of power.

Even if they don't back down now - they may find themselves in opposition thinking how it all went wrong.

[MSTRS]

I think National runs the risk of losing power if they push this through. And not just because it is a big increase and a hit to bikers... they will push another special interest group and then another and all of a sudden their voting block will have diminished greatly. I would say there are many National voters that are bikers. This will hit National where it really hurts. Their seat - seat of power.

Even if they don't back down now - they may find themselves in opposition thinking how it all went wrong.

And that formed part of our address on Saturday.

[NighthawkNZ]

The dust shall never settle until this ridiculous levy increase is abolished. Unfortunately thatll probably be when it all goes private though.

which means it will be higher

[Kiwi Graham]

get real the price is going up.we pay 500+ to insure a bike worth say 15g whats the big deal about payin a bit more than that to cover ourselfs, id like to think im worth a bit more than a bike .keep wingin and sell ya bikes. get off your arces and go and earne ya $ to pay your bills ,or get out of the game

So is Nick Smith (aka shit head) a KBer now? :2guns:

[Swoop]

Where is the poll option of "DECREASE"??:shifty:



Start rewarding those who do not put in claims to acc. The amount I've paid over the years and never made a claim... I want my money back!:eek:

[MSTRS]

... I want my money back!

Ah so sorry. Hone and Rodders have had it...

[Swoop]

Ah so sorry. Hone and Rodders have had it...
Can I at least get a trip to Paris??

[MSTRS]

Can I at least get a trip to Paris??

Nup. You're a motorcyclist. But...here...have some PLASTER of Paris...

[duckonin]

get real the price is going up.we pay 500+ to insure a bike worth say 15g whats the big deal about payin a bit more than that to cover ourselfs, id like to think im worth a bit more than a bike .keep wingin and sell ya bikes. get off your arces and go and earne ya $ to pay your bills ,or get out of the game

This is ACC revenue not one of my Bills !! We pay more that enough now, it would seem those fuckwits in Parli playing mind games have your brain under control along with a minority of others, now thats a worry :eek:

We do get off our arses and try to make a dollar that covers us for what we have to pay, but at the end of the day the costs are getting fark'n big forced upon us by greedy corporations, without a wage increase to help pay for things something has got to give...:confused:

As for getting out of the game I was not aware we were playing one !!:msn-wink:

[vstrom]

na my names not nick, no ones got to me brain for whats its worth, i do like a good windup and looks like the fishin was good today. im just as pissed off as anyone that has to pay more. i pay heaps tax bla bla bla , the alternative to ACC is what ? what -private -no thanks. the system sux i might chose to ride legal and safe like and have all the right gear yet i still pay for the clown that falls off wearing shorts and jandels,i do feel im paying for a heap of other buggers who are wraughting the system.and im not sorry for what i said eairlier .mike

[peasea]

na my names not nick, no ones got to me brain for whats its worth, i do like a good windup and looks like the fishin was good today. im just as pissed off as anyone that has to pay more. i pay heaps tax bla bla bla , the alternative to ACC is what ? what -private -no thanks. the system sux i might chose to ride legal and safe like and have all the right gear yet i still pay for the clown that falls off wearing shorts and jandels,i do feel im paying for a heap of other buggers who are wraughting the system.and im not sorry for what i said eairlier .mike

And therein lies the problem, too many fucking bludgers. Too many dickheads falling off their ladder cleaning out the gutters. Too many lazy-arses moaning about their non-existent back back, the list is just about endless but you don't hear the Govt planning a crackdown on these arsewipes do you?

Same with the dole and the DPB.

This is a damned fine country, which does pretty good on the world stage, and could do a hell of a lot better without the aforementioned bludgers/dickheads et al. THAT is what needs to be sorted. Case managers need to get tougher.