After BIKEOI by Car? [Archive]

mashman

16th November 2009, 11:02

should the ACC still throw on a huge levy, might it be worth using cars for the non-peaceful protests?

It would certainly be a shitload safer.
It could help get around the negative press in relation to bikes protesting.
It would take up even more of the roads...
Would give plenty of room for banners etc...
Could give the impression that car drivers are also annoyed at the "prospective" changes to the ACC and that they are supporting motorcycles...

and on and on...

If not, then why?

MSTRS

16th November 2009, 11:04

Fully behind that. If only for the extra congestion it will cause.

PirateJafa

16th November 2009, 11:04

Might be a bit hard to make the connection between angry bikers and bikers-driving-cars.

Unless we all wear our helmets...

vifferman

16th November 2009, 11:13

Might be a bit hard to make the connection between angry bikers and bikers-driving-cars.

Unless we all wear our helmets...

... or strap some angry bikers to the outside of the car. Perhaps run into a group of them, then leave them spreadeagled on the outside? :confused:

StoneY

16th November 2009, 11:18

Flat Deck truck came to mind, but then changes about 4 years back made it illegal to have people in dedicated frieght carrying vehicles without proper seats

Wonder how they get exemptions for the 7's parade to ride in/on trailers?

I see:
2 cars leading the charge in both lanes
10 or so LOUD bikes in the middle, 2 abreast in each lane (4 in total)
2 cars or utes (trucks even) at rear, all doing 20kms along the road, banners saying 'dont like congestion? support the local Motorcyclists, because they support you by freeing up the road' etc........

All for it but bikes need to be present
Cages can be safety barriers

Swathed in prortest posters, with nude blondes driving em!!!!!

sunhuntin

16th November 2009, 11:20

i would be happy to come along.

maybe look at buying a wrecked bike that has been hit by a car and strap it to the flatdeck ute?

mashman

16th November 2009, 11:21

Might be a bit hard to make the connection between angry bikers and bikers-driving-cars.

Unless we all wear our helmets...

In ways that's kinda the point... The levy won't stop with us, and we're only protesting for us just now... should we not stop it, why not then go for mass disruption, get the ACC campaign running properly including cagers, truckers etc... (MY GOD CARS AND BIKES TOGETHER, CATS AND DOGS KISSING, MASS HYSTERIA... IT'LL BE THE END OF THE WORLD)... and if that happens, it's the last place you wanna be riding a bike... well it's the last place i'd like to be doing it!!!

mashman

16th November 2009, 11:22

with nude blondes driving em!!!!!

:laugh: my idea, i get to choose the nekkid ladies...

huff3r

16th November 2009, 11:22

mashman

16th November 2009, 11:23

maybe look at buying a wrecked bike that has been hit by a car and strap it to the flatdeck ute?

or indeed hook that one up with viffer's idea and strap an effigy of a dead biker to the front!!!

mashman

16th November 2009, 11:24

I disagree with one part of that... we shouldnt be discriminating based on hair colour, nude blondes or brunettes should be driving! Just not gingas :bleh:

I won't let it happen i promise... might even be able to get a calendar out of it too...

StoneY

16th November 2009, 11:32

I disagree with one part of that... we shouldnt be discriminating based on hair colour, nude blondes or brunettes should be driving! Just not gingas :bleh:

:Oi:

Me is a Ginga!
You saying you would not let Nicole Kidman drive the lead car????

:msn-wink:

Seriously, this is how the BIKEOI started, a jest...and we ran with it
So, set a parameter Mashy mate

2 lead cars, 20 bikes, nude women, and followed by 2 Mack tractor units (no trailers needed) as TEC/ride security?

I like this, and happy to be anyones wingman on it
Will even let one of the nude chicks pillion wiv me!!!

huff3r

16th November 2009, 11:34

I like this, and happy to be anyones wingman on it
Will even let one of the nude chicks pillion wiv me!!!

Careful! We'll get sued by boobs on bikes for copyright infringement!! :laugh:

StoneY

16th November 2009, 11:35

If this can be arranged, for impact, do the exact same convoy in each of the 5 main cities on the same day in the 'to work' rush hour
Dont hold anyone up getting home...counterproductive

But imagine 5,000 'im late to work' phone calls nationwide on the same morning!!!!

Aucks needs 3 convoys, Welly needs 2.....(puts on planning cap and starts networking all over again)

sunhuntin

16th November 2009, 11:42

or indeed hook that one up with viffer's idea and strap an effigy of a dead biker to the front!!!

another good idea! buy up tons of those fake blood capsules. [theres heaps at work!]

mashman

16th November 2009, 11:55

:Oi:

Me is a Ginga!
You saying you would not let Nicole Kidman drive the lead car????

if it's between you and Nicole... nah, fair point huff... (i saw your pic in the paper Stones...) no gingas :bleh:

Seriously, this is how the BIKEOI started, a jest...and we ran with it
So, set a parameter Mashy mate
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I had thought it through a little further, where you're having the traffic at a stand still, have people (read bikers maybe) walking the streets of static traffic, canvassing passers by, drivers etc... gathering the thoughts of the people, educating them all about the potential for ACC hikes across the board!!! find out what the public would like to have done with THEIR health system...

Now, the "petition" would have to be an exceedingly well thought out document, something that can be printed onto a single side of paper and formatted in such a way that it's tick boxes etc... that way the "petition" can be filled in uber quickly (less harrassment) and the results can be OCR'd into a DB for some "real" analysis...

there's more to it than a mere mortal such as myself can take on (hence the suggestion)... More than happy to check out, i mean, interview the glamour section of the protest...

mashman

16th November 2009, 11:57

another good idea! buy up tons of those fake blood capsules. [theres heaps at work!]

with a sign above it asking who should be paying for the accident... it's that kind of imagery that's needed to gain maximum publicity... shame, but true!

huff3r

16th November 2009, 11:59

with a sign above it asking who should be paying for the accident... it's that kind of imagery that's needed to gain maximum publicity... shame, but true!

If its a big enough truck maybe have a car crshed into a bike on it even...
instead of just the bike..

sunhuntin

16th November 2009, 12:02

If its a big enough truck maybe have a car crshed into a bike on it even...
instead of just the bike..

another good idea! maybe one of those trucks with the curtain sides open? might be big enough, or one with a really long flatdeck?

FROSTY

16th November 2009, 12:12

Don't see the point of the crashed bike senario really-sorry folks. I DO see the point in making sure the general public is well aware how it will impact THEM if bikers are forced off their bikes.

mashman

16th November 2009, 12:14

Don't see the point of the crashed bike senario really-sorry folks. I DO see the point in making sure the general public is well aware how it will impact THEM if bikers are forced off their bikes.

I know what ya mean and whilst it seems like a joke, could you imagine pulling back the curtains and seeing a scene of death (not just a bike, but kids under cars, people falling of ladders impaled on fences etc...), similar to the style of looking in through a shop window... As i mentioned before, you need a striking image to get your point across, start debate, picture telling a thousand words etc... couple that with the education side of things and you have quite a powerful weapon? Reason enough Frosty?

airhaz

16th November 2009, 12:23

I reckon a mass bikoi in cars, would be a good idea. Somehow(flags) identify that the whole line of cars is bikers forced into cages cos of ACC levies.

FROSTY

16th November 2009, 12:27

I know what ya mean and whilst it seems like a joke, could you imagine pulling back the curtains and seeing a scene of death (not just a bike, but kids under cars, people falling of ladders impaled on fences etc...), similar to the style of looking in through a shop window... As i mentioned before, you need a striking image to get your point across, start debate, picture telling a thousand words etc... couple that with the education side of things and you have quite a powerful weapon? Reason enough Frosty?
Ok heres my POV --I see a scene of carnage -bike all busted up etc quite frankly my thought would be -'well there ya go this is WHY acc wants bigger levvies for bikes" Kinda like with that poor sod that crashed on saturday media focus from one station was on the accident not on the 300 bikes that were peacefully protesting

Tink

16th November 2009, 12:32

I reckon a mass bikoi in cars, would be a good idea. Somehow(flags) identify that the whole line of cars is bikers forced into cages cos of ACC levies.

I agree... totally... lets show them the future, if they allow this to happen, these are the repurcussions!!!

Ender EnZed

16th November 2009, 12:42

Ok heres my POV --I see a scene of carnage -bike all busted up etc quite frankly my thought would be -'well there ya go this is WHY acc wants bigger levvies for bikes" Kinda like with that poor sod that crashed on saturday media focus from one station was on the accident not on the 300 bikes that were peacefully protesting

I agree. Crashing too much is the image we want people to remember less. Whilst there are plenty of bike crashes caused by cars we don't want to parrot that line too much given the amount we crash without cars.

I certainly agree with involving some cars in it as well as bikes in order to highlight that most bikers are already paying ACC for more than one vehicle.

mashman

16th November 2009, 12:43

Ok heres my POV --I see a scene of carnage -bike all busted up etc quite frankly my thought would be -'well there ya go this is WHY acc wants bigger levvies for bikes" Kinda like with that poor sod that crashed on saturday media focus from one station was on the accident not on the 300 bikes that were peacefully protesting

Heh, i had a feeling that that last line would make it in there... hence why i'm suggesting that we also have kids crushed under cars, people falling off ladders, women falling of chairs whilst hanging their new curtains whilst all the time discussing shoes with their mate (it's easily done apparently :jerry:) etc... but i fully understand the point you're making and don't disagree with it at all...

mashman

16th November 2009, 12:45

I agree... totally... lets show them the future, if they allow this to happen, these are the repurcussions!!!

ha ha ha... nice!!! and not a kick in the ass off being true... can anyone say carbon emissions tax!!!

I think something that has been very underused, thus far, is taking a leaf out of the governments books... I mean, there's plenty of twisted fuckers on here that could quite happily and easily play spin doctor so that our agenda looks better than theres!!!

FROSTY

16th November 2009, 12:46

Heh, i had a feeling that that last line would make it in there... hence why i'm suggesting that we also have kids crushed under cars, people falling off ladders, women falling of chairs whilst hanging their new curtains whilst all the time discussing shoes with their mate (it's easily done apparently :jerry:) etc... but i fully understand the point you're making and don't disagree with it at all...
me Id suggest another line-- A full on rugby scrum
With every player wearing a shirt with a big target on it
The sighn simply saying -- ACC---ARE THEY NEXT???

Ender EnZed

16th November 2009, 12:48

Heh, i had a feeling that that last line would make it in there... hence why i'm suggesting that we also have kids crushed under cars, people falling off ladders, women falling of chairs whilst hanging their new curtains whilst all the time discussing shoes with their mate (it's easily done apparently :jerry:) etc... but i fully understand the point you're making and don't disagree with it at all...

Definitely. Government is trying to privatise ACC and we're bravely defending it. We just happen to be the first victims of their dastardly scheme. As a continuation of the "Who's next?" theme I like it a lot.

Ender EnZed

16th November 2009, 12:49

me Id suggest another line-- A full on rugby scrum
With every player wearing a shirt with a big target on it
The sighn simply saying -- ACC---ARE THEY NEXT???

And a cyclist. And a bunch of fat kids sitting in front of a TV watching how pollution from cars has killed the world.

Tink

16th November 2009, 12:50

ha ha ha... nice!!! and not a kick in the ass off being true... can anyone say carbon emissions tax!!!

I think something that has been very underused, thus far, is taking a leaf out of the governments books... I mean, there's plenty of twisted fuckers on here that could quite happily and easily play spin doctor so that our agenda looks better than theres!!!

I think I get what your saying... but not quite sure... ?:doh:

mashman

16th November 2009, 13:00

me Id suggest another line-- A full on rugby scrum
With every player wearing a shirt with a big target on it
The sighn simply saying -- ACC---ARE THEY NEXT???

VERY Nice!!! even better if it could be the All Blacks and The All White(motherfu***r)s... It's potentially going to affect everyone, why not try to pull in some of the higher profiled people to fight the case!

MSTRS

16th November 2009, 13:01

I agree. Crashing too much is the image we want people to remember less. Whilst there are plenty of bike crashes caused by cars we don't want to parrot that line too much given the amount we crash without cars.

I certainly agree with involving some cars in it as well as bikes in order to highlight that most bikers are already paying ACC for more than one vehicle.
Just on that point...does anyone know what the numbers are for car crashes, single or multiple? We have an approx 50% each way. How similar (or not) are the car stats?

mashman

16th November 2009, 13:48

Without access to the individual crash reports i wouldn't believe any figures... I think that's what half of this ACC battle is about, plain simple and yet wholly incorrect BOMDAS...

FROSTY

16th November 2009, 14:54

VERY Nice!!! even better if it could be the All Blacks and The All White(motherfu***r)s... It's potentially going to affect everyone, why not try to pull in some of the higher profiled people to fight the case!
Because ol son they are covered by private health insurance --which would play right into ACC's hands
Nahh its the grassroots cauliflower eared guys we wanna get to

mashman

16th November 2009, 15:08

Because ol son they are covered by private health insurance --which would play right into ACC's hands
Nahh its the grassroots cauliflower eared guys we wanna get to

Cheers young dad... so am I... what's there excuse again and i've only been here 3 years???